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Blackboard Collaborate and getting to a link

traci.mwd@...
 

My kids have to use BlackBoard Collaborate for school and the teacher uses Google Forms for an Exit Ticket at the end. How can we access the link - it is usually put in the PPT slide, pasted in a text box and put in the chat box... but we haven't figured out how to get to it yet! 

Thanks,

Traci


Re: OCR Window select text?

 

No need, any results from Jaws convenient OCR will be displayed in a virtual viewer where you can use Control+A to select all text, the Control+C to copy or you can of course just copy a part of the text.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR Window select text?

 

You can use your speech history!!

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OCR Window select text?

 

Hi all,

I can use the OCR on a window but, can I then copy the result to the clip board to paste into word?

Thanks

Shannon

 
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Re: convert an email message into an appointment with the Copy to Folder feature

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Cool tip, thanks.

 

As a side note, the keyboard shortcut for opening the “copy item to” dialog is CTRL+SHIFT+Y. This just came up recently in the context of creating a new contact from an email message – you copy to the contacts folder, and the new contact dialog is populated with the sender info.

   -Paul

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: convert an email message into an appointment with the Copy to Folder feature

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

It is easy to convert an email message into an appointment with the Copy to Folder feature in Microsoft Outlook. You can do it as following:

 

Step 1: Select and highlight the email message that you will convert to an appointment.

 

Step 2: Open the Copy Items dialog box:

 

 

• In Outlook 2007, please click the Edit > Copy to Folder.

• In Outlook 2010 and 2013, please click the Move > Copy to Folder in the Move group on the Home tab.

 

Step 3: In the Copy Items dialog box,

 

1) Select and highlight the Calendar in the Copy the selected items to the folder: box.

2) Click the OK button.

 

Step 4: Then an Appointment window opens,

 

1) Modify the start time in the Start Time box, and modify the end time in the End Time box.

2) Enter appointment location in the Location box.

3) Click the Save & Close button in the Actions group on the Appointment tab.

 

Then the selected email message is converted to an appointment. And you can find out the new appointment in the calendar that you specified in Step 3.

now, I assume to do this with jaws using the keyboard,

 

1, highlight the email which you wish to convert,

now, you may have to press the spacebar to highlight, but shouldn't be necessary,

2, press the applications key, up or down arrow and enter on,

move sub-menu,

 

3, now use up or down arrow and enter on,

calendar button,

note if you first don't see the calendar in the list, then choose other folder first, and then find calendar,

now enter on calendar,

and a different screen will come up.

 

hope this gets you pointed in the right direction.


Re: OCR Window select text?

Jonas Voll
 

You can use your speech history!!

 

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OCR Window select text?

 

Hi all,

I can use the OCR on a window but, can I then copy the result to the clip board to paste into word?

Thanks

Shannon

 
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OCR Window select text?

Shannon
 

Hi all,

I can use the OCR on a window but, can I then copy the result to the clip board to paste into word?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Open Office and Jaws 16

Stan Holdeman
 

I could not get it to work with jaws 18 back in April. Have not tried since.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Open Office and Jaws 16

 

Does anyone know if Open Office works with Jaws 16 on Windows 10?

 

Richard

 


Open Office and Jaws 16

Richard Turner
 

Does anyone know if Open Office works with Jaws 16 on Windows 10?

 

Richard

 


convert an email message into an appointment with the Copy to Folder feature

david
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

It is easy to convert an email message into an appointment with the Copy to Folder feature in Microsoft Outlook. You can do it as following:

 

Step 1: Select and highlight the email message that you will convert to an appointment.

 

Step 2: Open the Copy Items dialog box:

 

 

• In Outlook 2007, please click the Edit > Copy to Folder.

• In Outlook 2010 and 2013, please click the Move > Copy to Folder in the Move group on the Home tab.

 

Step 3: In the Copy Items dialog box,

 

1) Select and highlight the Calendar in the Copy the selected items to the folder: box.

2) Click the OK button.

 

Step 4: Then an Appointment window opens,

 

1) Modify the start time in the Start Time box, and modify the end time in the End Time box.

2) Enter appointment location in the Location box.

3) Click the Save & Close button in the Actions group on the Appointment tab.

 

Then the selected email message is converted to an appointment. And you can find out the new appointment in the calendar that you specified in Step 3.

now, I assume to do this with jaws using the keyboard,

 

1, highlight the email which you wish to convert,

now, you may have to press the spacebar to highlight, but shouldn't be necessary,

2, press the applications key, up or down arrow and enter on,

move sub-menu,

 

3, now use up or down arrow and enter on,

calendar button,

note if you first don't see the calendar in the list, then choose other folder first, and then find calendar,

now enter on calendar,

and a different screen will come up.

 

hope this gets you pointed in the right direction.


Can You Perform This Outlook Trick Using JAWS?

Rick Miller
 

Dear Listers:

 

I have heard that in Outlook 2016 you can convert an e-mail message into an appointment on your Outlook calendar.  I know sighted people drag the message over to the calendar icon, then drop it onto the calendar, and it converts the message into an appointment.  I am not very good at dragging and dropping, so can this trick be performed in another way using JAWS?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


Re: Looking for Jaws script writing user group

Stephanie Watts
 

 Thank you, Paul. I am planning to dapple for a while then see where that takes me. 


Re: Looking for Jaws script writing user group

Stephanie Watts
 

 Thanks, Phil. Yes, the link was very helpful.
 
Stephanie 


Re: installing windows 10

netbat66
 

i don't think you would need the accissibility offer once it was activated.
and once activated with microsoft you would not need any activation code because this info is stored on the microsoft server.
but you would need the windows 10 anaversory version because this is the first one that has a talking setup. wonce it starts it will also ask you if you want to load narrator so it will read all the menu options.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shannon
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Hello all,
Some of you may have a memory of my constant complaints of my Win 10 acting oddly.
Our computer guy agrees that something is off here. I am getting tons of errors logged in the event viewer. The errors are not what he would be concerned about the event code is 10016. He said all in all that error is not a big deal but when I am getting it I am getting 5 or more in a second and thousands per day.
So what he suggests is either wipe this unit and reload or for the sake of speediness get a new unit all together and start over fresh out of the box. I didn't know but this unit originally was a seven updated to eight and then to ten. He suspects something happened in the several updates.

My questions is it possible for me to do this wipe and reinstall?
I received my Win 10 with the offer for accessibility users. I don't know how it knew that there was assistive tech on this unit? Will I be able to reinstall Win 10 without assistive tech on this unit after wiping it off?

Thanks for any assistance.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...


Re: how do you copy into the jaws clipboard a web address

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Hank,
 
Instead of using the, Jaws + A, keystroke, try these keystrokes.  Press the, F6, key to highlight the address bar, now press, control + C to copy it to the clipboard.  the keystroke, Alt + D, will work the same way.  Both keystrokes highlight the whole address bar so you don't have to select it, it's already selected, so after copying just paste it wherever you want.  After using either of these keystrokes press the, F6 key, to get off the address bar.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: how do you copy into the jaws clipboard a web address

 
Hello,
 
I am really hoping someone can help me out. on any web site, after I press the Jaws key combo with the letter “A” key to read to myself the current web address I am located on, how do I copy this particular web address I am on into my jaws clipboard to paste later say in a word document?
 
Any help with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help I can maybe get with this!!
 
 
 
 
Jaws 18 user,
 
Hank
 
 

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Re: how do you copy into the jaws clipboard a web address

Hank & Patty <hank1patty@...>
 

 
Hello,
 
I am really hoping someone can help me out. on any web site, after I press the Jaws key combo with the letter “A” key to read to myself the current web address I am located on, how do I copy this particular web address I am on into my jaws clipboard to paste later say in a word document?
 
Any help with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help I can maybe get with this!!
 
 
 
 
Jaws 18 user,
 
Hank
 
 

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Re: installing windows 10

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

Hi, you may want to try to fix the error. Here is an article on the error.
http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-3128597/fix-windows-error-10016.html
If you are not comfortable working with the registry maybe you can get some help.
Regardws
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Hello all,
Some of you may have a memory of my constant complaints of my Win 10 acting oddly.
Our computer guy agrees that something is off here. I am getting tons of errors logged in the event viewer. The errors are not what he would be concerned about the event code is 10016. He said all in all that error is not a big deal but when I am getting it I am getting 5 or more in a second and thousands per day.
So what he suggests is either wipe this unit and reload or for the sake of speediness get a new unit all together and start over fresh out of the box. I didn't know but this unit originally was a seven updated to eight and then to ten. He suspects something happened in the several updates.

My questions is it possible for me to do this wipe and reinstall?
I received my Win 10 with the offer for accessibility users. I don't know how it knew that there was assistive tech on this unit? Will I be able to reinstall Win 10 without assistive tech on this unit after wiping it off?

Thanks for any assistance.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...


Re: installing windows 10

Shannon
 

Hello all,
Some of you may have a memory of my constant complaints of my Win 10 acting oddly.
Our computer guy agrees that something is off here. I am getting tons of errors logged in the event viewer. The errors are not what he would be concerned about the event code is 10016. He said all in all that error is not a big deal but when I am getting it I am getting 5 or more in a second and thousands per day.
So what he suggests is either wipe this unit and reload or for the sake of speediness get a new unit all together and start over fresh out of the box. I didn't know but this unit originally was a seven updated to eight and then to ten. He suspects something happened in the several updates.

My questions is it possible for me to do this wipe and reinstall?
I received my Win 10 with the offer for accessibility users. I don't know how it knew that there was assistive tech on this unit? Will I be able to reinstall Win 10 without assistive tech on this unit after wiping it off?

Thanks for any assistance.
Shannon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...


Re: Looking for Jaws script writing user group

Mario
 

Paul, to add to your reply, and not to discourage anyone from tackling
the task of scripting for JAWS, but I would like to know your thoughts
if you agree (or disagree, and why) with the below note I saved from
someone who is knowledgeable about this stuff...

"... requirements for scripting. The consensus was that screen reader
scripting requires some knowledge of programming that goes beyond
conditionals, such as variables, and in some cases, loops and functions.
In the case of JAWS scripting, you don't need to know about what classes
and objects are.

To clarify a few things:

* The language used to script JAWS is technically called an "imperative"
language. That is, you would give JAWS things to do, and if things go
well, it'll do what you've requested.

* The language is also "procedural', meaning you'd write procedures
(code contained in functions) to let JAWS perform certain things. Not to
be confused with "functional programming" where you treat functions as
variables and objects.

* Most of the building blocks of scripting is contained in a few global
files, the best known being default.jsb which defines default scripts
for commands.

A script for a program or for a certain situation builds on top of
default commands and behaviors. There is a disadvantage to this model:
if a script needs to modify default behaviors or commands and the
modification must apply everywhere, one must modify default files.
Imagine if multiple scripts are trying to do that, and the result is a
mess of code blocks (groups of code) that can sometimes conflict. This
may have been resolved to some extent in newer versions.

* Scripting for JAWS requires that you know a few terms, namely handle,
script, function and so on.
A handle is an opaque reference to an object, such as a window, a
thread, a file and so on. For script writers:
a handle is a reference to an element on screen, and this is extensively
used to query information about a control and manipulate it.
A function is a code block that performs some things when it receives
zero or more parameters or input data (sometimes called arguments),
optionally returning something so other code blocks can use whatever it
says.

A script is a function that is attached to a command such as pressing
certain keys on a keyboard, manipulating controls on a braille display,
finger flicks on touchscreens and so on.

* A script must be compiled before use.
Going through scripts one line at a time without being compiled (called
"interpreting") is slow; on the other hand, compiling source code to a
format that the target machine understands (the computer or software
that'll eventually run your code) results in superior performance
(well, not really unless you tweak it to run better and faster, and no
compiler (or for that matter, interpreters and script engines) can
produce very optimized code at this time; doing so would require long
compilation time, human input and so on)."

-------- Original Message --------
From: Paul Martz [mailto:skewmatrix@...]
Sent: Monday, Aug 14, 2017 10:45 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Looking for Jaws script writing user group

I looked into learning this a while back. I'm a former professional
software developer, so I figured it would be a cinch.

Unfortunately, I discovered that in order to do anything of substance
with JSL (JAWS scripting language), you needed a degree of proficiency
in programming Windows user interfaces - windows and classes and things
like that. That is a proficiency I never developed. As a result, I never
pursued JSL beyond the "tinkering" stage.

Best of luck to you with this.
-Paul





.


Re: installing windows 10

Randy Meyer
 

I used the Seeing AI app from my iPhone to read the screen with short-read, when I updated my three computers to windows 10. This kept me updated with what windows was doing. I downloaded the windows 10 update directly to each machine and ran the file.

Two of my three installs went smoothly. The third install had two different errors, and I hit retry and the third time it installed properly.

I did lose a MS office 2013 license during one install, but I was upgrading to office 365 2016 anyway. One of the install errors was from Windows Eyes not working with windows 10. I let Windows Eyes be uninstalled, and the windows installation started over and went successfully.

I did not try running narrator until windows was fully installed.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Alan, did you need to change which device to boot from before installing from the USB , and if so, how? I recall it can be either changed in the BIOS or at bootup, but either way would require sighted assistance...
unless you memorized what to do or you know of another trick?



-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@...]
Sent: Monday, Aug 14, 2017 8:35 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7 Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times, I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer, place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer, might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...




















.


Re: installing windows 10

Alan Robbins
 

Mario,

No, it found it automatically. That was the only part I feared and it didn't happen. I guess with some systems it does, others it doesn't.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 10:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Alan, did you need to change which device to boot from before installing
from the USB , and if so, how? I recall it can be either changed in the
BIOS or at bootup, but either way would require sighted assistance...
unless you memorized what to do or you know of another trick?



-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@...]
Sent: Monday, Aug 14, 2017 8:35 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made
sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any
partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a
new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should
produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no
bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else
could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used
the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it,
there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a
bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD
drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

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