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Re: Erasing a computer's data

Jonas Voll
 

Tutorial for installing Windows 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YisbQGCa7nU&t=94s

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 6:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

 

Dave,

 

Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is  when booting from an optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just need to install the SSD and memory first. I’m curious to find this out personally

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

 

Hello Brian:

 

First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while you are running a Windows session.

 

It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version of Windows on the same drive.

 

Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting the new partition.

 

If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer, place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.

 

You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive on which you wish to delete to partition.

 

I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer, might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.

 

If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many internet searches.

 

HTH

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM

Subject: Erasing a computer's data

 

What’s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian

 

 

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

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Re: installing windows 10

Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
 

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used
the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it,
there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a
bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD
drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@ca.rr.com


Re: Looking for Jaws script writing user group

Philip Hall <p.hall.eml1@...>
 

Hi. Stephanie

 

There is a mailing list

http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts

 

 

HTH

 

Phil

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Looking for Jaws script writing user group

 

 Hello,

 

Are there any user groups for those interested in riding jaws Scripps?

 

Thank you kindly.

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Re: installing windows 10

Dave Durber
 

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD
drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@ca.rr.com


Re: installing windows 10

 

Hi,
No, Creators Update and later.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10

which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@ca.rr.com


installing windows 10

netbat66
 

which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance. Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7 Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer. However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times, I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer, place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer, might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@ca.rr.com


Re: Erasing a computer's data

Dave Durber
 

Allen:
 
Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.
 
Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.
 
I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.
 
I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop computer. I got the same result.
 
Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?
 
There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned about me, I am not being paranoid.
 
Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 

---- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

Dave,

 

I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance. Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted assistance. Anymore questions write back

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

 

Hello Al:

 

I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7 Professional computers, with no success.

 

The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer. However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times, I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.

 

Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.

 

My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.

 

 In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and folders. Happily, there were not.

 

so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install will be the way to go.

 

For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

 

Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for one, will be very interested.

 

Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions on the drive first.

 

Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.  

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins

Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

 

Dave,

 

Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is  when booting from an optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just need to install the SSD and memory first. I’m curious to find this out personally

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

 

Hello Brian:

 

First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while you are running a Windows session.

 

It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version of Windows on the same drive.

 

Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting the new partition.

 

If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer, place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.

 

You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive on which you wish to delete to partition.

 

I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer, might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.

 

If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many internet searches.

 

HTH

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM

Subject: Erasing a computer's data

 

What’s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian

 

 

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

 


Re: Jaws reading text boxes or borders in Ms word

Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...>
 

Try control/shift/O and you may be able to find text that has been placed in a box. Jaws will identify it as an object.

Nate

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws reading text boxes or borders in Ms word

 

Hi all,

I would like to know if on ms word are other kind of tags that jaws is able to identify. Jaws is able to read and identify headings, bullets, but I don’t see that jaws is able to read or detect text boxes, or Shading on text. Is any jaws settings that allow me to herd when jaws is reading a text inside a border or inside an area shabed in a word document?

Thanks

 

 


Looking for Jaws script writing user group

Gmail <swwatts3@...>
 

 Hello,
 
Are there any user groups for those interested in riding jaws Scripps?
 
Thank you kindly.
Stephanie 


Re: Erasing a computer's data

Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
 

Dave,

 

I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance. Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted assistance. Anymore questions write back

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

 

Hello Al:

 

I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7 Professional computers, with no success.

 

The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer. However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times, I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.

 

Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.

 

My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.

 

 In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and folders. Happily, there were not.

 

so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install will be the way to go.

 

For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

 

Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for one, will be very interested.

 

Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions on the drive first.

 

Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.  

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

 

Dave,

 

Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is  when booting from an optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just need to install the SSD and memory first. I’m curious to find this out personally

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data

 

Hello Brian:

 

First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while you are running a Windows session.

 

It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version of Windows on the same drive.

 

Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting the new partition.

 

If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer, place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.

 

You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive on which you wish to delete to partition.

 

I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer, might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.

 

If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many internet searches.

 

HTH

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM

Subject: Erasing a computer's data

 

What’s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian

 

 

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

 


Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Drew Hunthausen
 

You are totally correct. I guess I was lucky in that the adaptive tech people at my school understood this and had someone who would edit the texts from the publishers to put in this info.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Yes, it is mandatory by law. The problem is that there is no a line that says a document from here is accessible and what ever below this line is not accessible. Accessibilitty is a very complex term that is difficult to explain. What makes a word document accessible is more complex. A lot of times people belive that if a screen reader is able to read information on a web page, it means that the web page is accessible. But it is not true. Accessibility imply a lot of things more.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 3:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

So is this something that is not mandated my law in North Carolina? I know when I was in college at long beach state university in California I had to fight for a lot of the accomodations but ended up getting what I needed because it was mandated that the school provide it.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

I go to UNCG. It is University of North Carolina in Greensboro. It is a state University. However here are two things to consider.

  1. The list of books was published one week before classes started, and I received the book in PDF from the publisher this last Friday. My semester starts tomorrow.
  2. The accessibility department doesn’t know anything about the creation of headings, or why is important the structure of a book. They just don’t know and they say that they don’t have enough resources. I have been fighting this battle  for years. Moreover, they don’t provide graphic description because they say that they don’t have the qualifications to be able to describe graphics. They say that the professor is who should provide the graphic description. It not always happen.

Here are so many issues to fix, so many battles to fight, and I have no time for all of that. I rather to pay someone and no more problems. If is something wrong with the conversion, I have a phone number and a receipt, so I can request for a solution. These kind of things are not possible with free services.

 

  1.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Pablo,

What school do you go to? Is it in the U.S.? The only reason I’m asking is because often small schools who don’t have the resources or knowledge to get books in the correct formats for students will contract with larger universities who do. You could even contact some larger universities yourself and see what they might be able to help you with.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Hi Richard and all,

My problem is that the accessibility department doesn’t want to do this. They don’t apply headings on word documents. They just do not understand why headings hierarchy are important. I have been in this battle for a few years. The other problem is that for some reason, other reason that I don’t want to know. My school published the titles and ISBN of the books required a few days, and my classes starts tomorrow.

I will hire someone to do this. I was looking if you guys know any company able to do this.

Thanks any way,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

 

Pablo,

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

does your school have a Disabled Student Services office?

Are they not able to help more?

Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to hire someone to do this manually since the publisher did not provide you with a good version with the headings. That is simply awful.

Richard

 


On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@...> wrote:

A software is not able to do this. Let me try to describe  the situation. The publishers sent me these books,(they are not in bookshare). These books visually have main titles, subtitles, and other type of format or fonts that identify what are the hierarchy of titles and points in these books. They are not tagged. So converting these books to word is not a choice, copying and pasting is not a choice either, each book is over 800 pages, and I have no time or way to know which is a heading level 3 or heading level 2. I need someone telling me if a heading in the PDF is parent or child of a previous title.

More over, for some reason that I don’t want to know. Publishers now likes to add text boxes on the sides of the pages with complementary information, or notes,  or just tips related with the topic in those chapters. Keeping the format is no the solution because the way how the screen reader will read it is going to be so confusing. I need take those text boxes at the end of the chapter, I need those notes as bookmarks that are link with points in the chapter.

All of these require human intervention.

Should be someone on the world able to do this. How companies modify Policies  documents or documentation that is not available in word?

How disable people do these?

Copying and pasting, or depending of bookshare, or using text conversion software?

No come on guys, How many of you are going to school.

Do you get your books from bookshare?

You tag your documents manually?

How do you handle text boxes on the sides of the pages in these cases?

For how long you have to work on that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

The Codex program will allow you to convert to epub and that format will hold your formatting, if there is any.  Also, if you know how to navigate through headings and such, you can also save the books to .docx. 

Carol

On 8/12/2017 7:44 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting this semester, and I have bunches of books in PDF. According with the publishers the books are accessible because jaws is able to read the text. However I find that these books are a mess when I try to read them with a screen reader.

  • The Pdf files don’t have any type of heading, so I can’t know which is a main title or a subtitle.
  • On the book are text boxes on the sides of the chapter information. The screen reader reads the text from both parts at the same time so I have no way to know which is the text that I should be reading. It makes the reading experience very confusing.

Anybody know a company  that will be able to prepare this document as a word document, in the correct order, with the correct headings on titles and subtitles?

It is urgent guys,

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Pablo Morales
 

Yes, it is mandatory by law. The problem is that there is no a line that says a document from here is accessible and what ever below this line is not accessible. Accessibilitty is a very complex term that is difficult to explain. What makes a word document accessible is more complex. A lot of times people belive that if a screen reader is able to read information on a web page, it means that the web page is accessible. But it is not true. Accessibility imply a lot of things more.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 3:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

So is this something that is not mandated my law in North Carolina? I know when I was in college at long beach state university in California I had to fight for a lot of the accomodations but ended up getting what I needed because it was mandated that the school provide it.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

I go to UNCG. It is University of North Carolina in Greensboro. It is a state University. However here are two things to consider.

  1. The list of books was published one week before classes started, and I received the book in PDF from the publisher this last Friday. My semester starts tomorrow.
  2. The accessibility department doesn’t know anything about the creation of headings, or why is important the structure of a book. They just don’t know and they say that they don’t have enough resources. I have been fighting this battle  for years. Moreover, they don’t provide graphic description because they say that they don’t have the qualifications to be able to describe graphics. They say that the professor is who should provide the graphic description. It not always happen.

Here are so many issues to fix, so many battles to fight, and I have no time for all of that. I rather to pay someone and no more problems. If is something wrong with the conversion, I have a phone number and a receipt, so I can request for a solution. These kind of things are not possible with free services.

 

  1.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Pablo,

What school do you go to? Is it in the U.S.? The only reason I’m asking is because often small schools who don’t have the resources or knowledge to get books in the correct formats for students will contract with larger universities who do. You could even contact some larger universities yourself and see what they might be able to help you with.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Hi Richard and all,

My problem is that the accessibility department doesn’t want to do this. They don’t apply headings on word documents. They just do not understand why headings hierarchy are important. I have been in this battle for a few years. The other problem is that for some reason, other reason that I don’t want to know. My school published the titles and ISBN of the books required a few days, and my classes starts tomorrow.

I will hire someone to do this. I was looking if you guys know any company able to do this.

Thanks any way,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

 

Pablo,

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

does your school have a Disabled Student Services office?

Are they not able to help more?

Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to hire someone to do this manually since the publisher did not provide you with a good version with the headings. That is simply awful.

Richard

 


On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@...> wrote:

A software is not able to do this. Let me try to describe  the situation. The publishers sent me these books,(they are not in bookshare). These books visually have main titles, subtitles, and other type of format or fonts that identify what are the hierarchy of titles and points in these books. They are not tagged. So converting these books to word is not a choice, copying and pasting is not a choice either, each book is over 800 pages, and I have no time or way to know which is a heading level 3 or heading level 2. I need someone telling me if a heading in the PDF is parent or child of a previous title.

More over, for some reason that I don’t want to know. Publishers now likes to add text boxes on the sides of the pages with complementary information, or notes,  or just tips related with the topic in those chapters. Keeping the format is no the solution because the way how the screen reader will read it is going to be so confusing. I need take those text boxes at the end of the chapter, I need those notes as bookmarks that are link with points in the chapter.

All of these require human intervention.

Should be someone on the world able to do this. How companies modify Policies  documents or documentation that is not available in word?

How disable people do these?

Copying and pasting, or depending of bookshare, or using text conversion software?

No come on guys, How many of you are going to school.

Do you get your books from bookshare?

You tag your documents manually?

How do you handle text boxes on the sides of the pages in these cases?

For how long you have to work on that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

The Codex program will allow you to convert to epub and that format will hold your formatting, if there is any.  Also, if you know how to navigate through headings and such, you can also save the books to .docx. 

Carol

On 8/12/2017 7:44 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting this semester, and I have bunches of books in PDF. According with the publishers the books are accessible because jaws is able to read the text. However I find that these books are a mess when I try to read them with a screen reader.

  • The Pdf files don’t have any type of heading, so I can’t know which is a main title or a subtitle.
  • On the book are text boxes on the sides of the chapter information. The screen reader reads the text from both parts at the same time so I have no way to know which is the text that I should be reading. It makes the reading experience very confusing.

Anybody know a company  that will be able to prepare this document as a word document, in the correct order, with the correct headings on titles and subtitles?

It is urgent guys,

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Kevin,

 

Thanks for this tip, I had never heard about this organisation.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

There is NNELS in Canada, and they will deliver any book you send them in a usable format, but I am guessing the free part is reserved for local citizens?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: August 13, 2017 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Pablo,

What school do you go to? Is it in the U.S.? The only reason I’m asking is because often small schools who don’t have the resources or knowledge to get books in the correct formats for students will contract with larger universities who do. You could even contact some larger universities yourself and see what they might be able to help you with.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Hi Richard and all,

My problem is that the accessibility department doesn’t want to do this. They don’t apply headings on word documents. They just do not understand why headings hierarchy are important. I have been in this battle for a few years. The other problem is that for some reason, other reason that I don’t want to know. My school published the titles and ISBN of the books required a few days, and my classes starts tomorrow.

I will hire someone to do this. I was looking if you guys know any company able to do this.

Thanks any way,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

 

Pablo,

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

does your school have a Disabled Student Services office?

Are they not able to help more?

Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to hire someone to do this manually since the publisher did not provide you with a good version with the headings. That is simply awful.

Richard

 


On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@...> wrote:

A software is not able to do this. Let me try to describe  the situation. The publishers sent me these books,(they are not in bookshare). These books visually have main titles, subtitles, and other type of format or fonts that identify what are the hierarchy of titles and points in these books. They are not tagged. So converting these books to word is not a choice, copying and pasting is not a choice either, each book is over 800 pages, and I have no time or way to know which is a heading level 3 or heading level 2. I need someone telling me if a heading in the PDF is parent or child of a previous title.

More over, for some reason that I don’t want to know. Publishers now likes to add text boxes on the sides of the pages with complementary information, or notes,  or just tips related with the topic in those chapters. Keeping the format is no the solution because the way how the screen reader will read it is going to be so confusing. I need take those text boxes at the end of the chapter, I need those notes as bookmarks that are link with points in the chapter.

All of these require human intervention.

Should be someone on the world able to do this. How companies modify Policies  documents or documentation that is not available in word?

How disable people do these?

Copying and pasting, or depending of bookshare, or using text conversion software?

No come on guys, How many of you are going to school.

Do you get your books from bookshare?

You tag your documents manually?

How do you handle text boxes on the sides of the pages in these cases?

For how long you have to work on that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

The Codex program will allow you to convert to epub and that format will hold your formatting, if there is any.  Also, if you know how to navigate through headings and such, you can also save the books to .docx. 

Carol

On 8/12/2017 7:44 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting this semester, and I have bunches of books in PDF. According with the publishers the books are accessible because jaws is able to read the text. However I find that these books are a mess when I try to read them with a screen reader.

  • The Pdf files don’t have any type of heading, so I can’t know which is a main title or a subtitle.
  • On the book are text boxes on the sides of the chapter information. The screen reader reads the text from both parts at the same time so I have no way to know which is the text that I should be reading. It makes the reading experience very confusing.

Anybody know a company  that will be able to prepare this document as a word document, in the correct order, with the correct headings on titles and subtitles?

It is urgent guys,

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Drew Hunthausen
 

So is this something that is not mandated my law in North Carolina? I know when I was in college at long beach state university in California I had to fight for a lot of the accomodations but ended up getting what I needed because it was mandated that the school provide it.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

I go to UNCG. It is University of North Carolina in Greensboro. It is a state University. However here are two things to consider.

1.       The list of books was published one week before classes started, and I received the book in PDF from the publisher this last Friday. My semester starts tomorrow.

2.       The accessibility department doesn’t know anything about the creation of headings, or why is important the structure of a book. They just don’t know and they say that they don’t have enough resources. I have been fighting this battle  for years. Moreover, they don’t provide graphic description because they say that they don’t have the qualifications to be able to describe graphics. They say that the professor is who should provide the graphic description. It not always happen.

Here are so many issues to fix, so many battles to fight, and I have no time for all of that. I rather to pay someone and no more problems. If is something wrong with the conversion, I have a phone number and a receipt, so I can request for a solution. These kind of things are not possible with free services.

 

3.        

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Pablo,

What school do you go to? Is it in the U.S.? The only reason I’m asking is because often small schools who don’t have the resources or knowledge to get books in the correct formats for students will contract with larger universities who do. You could even contact some larger universities yourself and see what they might be able to help you with.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Hi Richard and all,

My problem is that the accessibility department doesn’t want to do this. They don’t apply headings on word documents. They just do not understand why headings hierarchy are important. I have been in this battle for a few years. The other problem is that for some reason, other reason that I don’t want to know. My school published the titles and ISBN of the books required a few days, and my classes starts tomorrow.

I will hire someone to do this. I was looking if you guys know any company able to do this.

Thanks any way,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

 

Pablo,

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

does your school have a Disabled Student Services office?

Are they not able to help more?

Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to hire someone to do this manually since the publisher did not provide you with a good version with the headings. That is simply awful.

Richard

 


On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@...> wrote:

A software is not able to do this. Let me try to describe  the situation. The publishers sent me these books,(they are not in bookshare). These books visually have main titles, subtitles, and other type of format or fonts that identify what are the hierarchy of titles and points in these books. They are not tagged. So converting these books to word is not a choice, copying and pasting is not a choice either, each book is over 800 pages, and I have no time or way to know which is a heading level 3 or heading level 2. I need someone telling me if a heading in the PDF is parent or child of a previous title.

More over, for some reason that I don’t want to know. Publishers now likes to add text boxes on the sides of the pages with complementary information, or notes,  or just tips related with the topic in those chapters. Keeping the format is no the solution because the way how the screen reader will read it is going to be so confusing. I need take those text boxes at the end of the chapter, I need those notes as bookmarks that are link with points in the chapter.

All of these require human intervention.

Should be someone on the world able to do this. How companies modify Policies  documents or documentation that is not available in word?

How disable people do these?

Copying and pasting, or depending of bookshare, or using text conversion software?

No come on guys, How many of you are going to school.

Do you get your books from bookshare?

You tag your documents manually?

How do you handle text boxes on the sides of the pages in these cases?

For how long you have to work on that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

The Codex program will allow you to convert to epub and that format will hold your formatting, if there is any.  Also, if you know how to navigate through headings and such, you can also save the books to .docx. 

Carol

On 8/12/2017 7:44 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting this semester, and I have bunches of books in PDF. According with the publishers the books are accessible because jaws is able to read the text. However I find that these books are a mess when I try to read them with a screen reader.

  • The Pdf files don’t have any type of heading, so I can’t know which is a main title or a subtitle.
  • On the book are text boxes on the sides of the chapter information. The screen reader reads the text from both parts at the same time so I have no way to know which is the text that I should be reading. It makes the reading experience very confusing.

Anybody know a company  that will be able to prepare this document as a word document, in the correct order, with the correct headings on titles and subtitles?

It is urgent guys,

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Pablo Morales
 

I go to UNCG. It is University of North Carolina in Greensboro. It is a state University. However here are two things to consider.

1.       The list of books was published one week before classes started, and I received the book in PDF from the publisher this last Friday. My semester starts tomorrow.

2.       The accessibility department doesn’t know anything about the creation of headings, or why is important the structure of a book. They just don’t know and they say that they don’t have enough resources. I have been fighting this battle  for years. Moreover, they don’t provide graphic description because they say that they don’t have the qualifications to be able to describe graphics. They say that the professor is who should provide the graphic description. It not always happen.

Here are so many issues to fix, so many battles to fight, and I have no time for all of that. I rather to pay someone and no more problems. If is something wrong with the conversion, I have a phone number and a receipt, so I can request for a solution. These kind of things are not possible with free services.

 

3.        

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Pablo,

What school do you go to? Is it in the U.S.? The only reason I’m asking is because often small schools who don’t have the resources or knowledge to get books in the correct formats for students will contract with larger universities who do. You could even contact some larger universities yourself and see what they might be able to help you with.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Hi Richard and all,

My problem is that the accessibility department doesn’t want to do this. They don’t apply headings on word documents. They just do not understand why headings hierarchy are important. I have been in this battle for a few years. The other problem is that for some reason, other reason that I don’t want to know. My school published the titles and ISBN of the books required a few days, and my classes starts tomorrow.

I will hire someone to do this. I was looking if you guys know any company able to do this.

Thanks any way,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

 

Pablo,

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

does your school have a Disabled Student Services office?

Are they not able to help more?

Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to hire someone to do this manually since the publisher did not provide you with a good version with the headings. That is simply awful.

Richard

 


On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@...> wrote:

A software is not able to do this. Let me try to describe  the situation. The publishers sent me these books,(they are not in bookshare). These books visually have main titles, subtitles, and other type of format or fonts that identify what are the hierarchy of titles and points in these books. They are not tagged. So converting these books to word is not a choice, copying and pasting is not a choice either, each book is over 800 pages, and I have no time or way to know which is a heading level 3 or heading level 2. I need someone telling me if a heading in the PDF is parent or child of a previous title.

More over, for some reason that I don’t want to know. Publishers now likes to add text boxes on the sides of the pages with complementary information, or notes,  or just tips related with the topic in those chapters. Keeping the format is no the solution because the way how the screen reader will read it is going to be so confusing. I need take those text boxes at the end of the chapter, I need those notes as bookmarks that are link with points in the chapter.

All of these require human intervention.

Should be someone on the world able to do this. How companies modify Policies  documents or documentation that is not available in word?

How disable people do these?

Copying and pasting, or depending of bookshare, or using text conversion software?

No come on guys, How many of you are going to school.

Do you get your books from bookshare?

You tag your documents manually?

How do you handle text boxes on the sides of the pages in these cases?

For how long you have to work on that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

The Codex program will allow you to convert to epub and that format will hold your formatting, if there is any.  Also, if you know how to navigate through headings and such, you can also save the books to .docx. 

Carol

On 8/12/2017 7:44 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting this semester, and I have bunches of books in PDF. According with the publishers the books are accessible because jaws is able to read the text. However I find that these books are a mess when I try to read them with a screen reader.

  • The Pdf files don’t have any type of heading, so I can’t know which is a main title or a subtitle.
  • On the book are text boxes on the sides of the chapter information. The screen reader reads the text from both parts at the same time so I have no way to know which is the text that I should be reading. It makes the reading experience very confusing.

Anybody know a company  that will be able to prepare this document as a word document, in the correct order, with the correct headings on titles and subtitles?

It is urgent guys,

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Angel
 


When I attended University some 48 years ago now, I arranged to borrow my books from the University book store, early in the summer .  Previous to the year in which they would be required.  I sent them to be recorded at Learning Ally.  Or as it was called at that time "Recording For The Blind".  You might want to consider doing the same thing,  If you hadn't done so before my post.  

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Pablo,

What school do you go to? Is it in the U.S.? The only reason I’m asking is because often small schools who don’t have the resources or knowledge to get books in the correct formats for students will contract with larger universities who do. You could even contact some larger universities yourself and see what they might be able to help you with.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Hi Richard and all,

My problem is that the accessibility department doesn’t want to do this. They don’t apply headings on word documents. They just do not understand why headings hierarchy are important. I have been in this battle for a few years. The other problem is that for some reason, other reason that I don’t want to know. My school published the titles and ISBN of the books required a few days, and my classes starts tomorrow.

I will hire someone to do this. I was looking if you guys know any company able to do this.

Thanks any way,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

 

Pablo,

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

does your school have a Disabled Student Services office?

Are they not able to help more?

Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to hire someone to do this manually since the publisher did not provide you with a good version with the headings. That is simply awful.

Richard

 


On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@...> wrote:

A software is not able to do this. Let me try to describe  the situation. The publishers sent me these books,(they are not in bookshare). These books visually have main titles, subtitles, and other type of format or fonts that identify what are the hierarchy of titles and points in these books. They are not tagged. So converting these books to word is not a choice, copying and pasting is not a choice either, each book is over 800 pages, and I have no time or way to know which is a heading level 3 or heading level 2. I need someone telling me if a heading in the PDF is parent or child of a previous title.

More over, for some reason that I don’t want to know. Publishers now likes to add text boxes on the sides of the pages with complementary information, or notes,  or just tips related with the topic in those chapters. Keeping the format is no the solution because the way how the screen reader will read it is going to be so confusing. I need take those text boxes at the end of the chapter, I need those notes as bookmarks that are link with points in the chapter.

All of these require human intervention.

Should be someone on the world able to do this. How companies modify Policies  documents or documentation that is not available in word?

How disable people do these?

Copying and pasting, or depending of bookshare, or using text conversion software?

No come on guys, How many of you are going to school.

Do you get your books from bookshare?

You tag your documents manually?

How do you handle text boxes on the sides of the pages in these cases?

For how long you have to work on that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

The Codex program will allow you to convert to epub and that format will hold your formatting, if there is any.  Also, if you know how to navigate through headings and such, you can also save the books to .docx. 

Carol


On 8/12/2017 7:44 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting this semester, and I have bunches of books in PDF. According with the publishers the books are accessible because jaws is able to read the text. However I find that these books are a mess when I try to read them with a screen reader.

  • The Pdf files don’t have any type of heading, so I can’t know which is a main title or a subtitle.
  • On the book are text boxes on the sides of the chapter information. The screen reader reads the text from both parts at the same time so I have no way to know which is the text that I should be reading It makes the reading experience very confusing.

Anybody know a company  that will be able to prepare this document as a word document, in the correct order, with the correct headings on titles and subtitles?

It is urgent guys,

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

 

 


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Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

There is NNELS in Canada, and they will deliver any book you send them in a usable format, but I am guessing the free part is reserved for local citizens?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: August 13, 2017 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Pablo,

What school do you go to? Is it in the U.S.? The only reason I’m asking is because often small schools who don’t have the resources or knowledge to get books in the correct formats for students will contract with larger universities who do. You could even contact some larger universities yourself and see what they might be able to help you with.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Hi Richard and all,

My problem is that the accessibility department doesn’t want to do this. They don’t apply headings on word documents. They just do not understand why headings hierarchy are important. I have been in this battle for a few years. The other problem is that for some reason, other reason that I don’t want to know. My school published the titles and ISBN of the books required a few days, and my classes starts tomorrow.

I will hire someone to do this. I was looking if you guys know any company able to do this.

Thanks any way,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

 

Pablo,

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

does your school have a Disabled Student Services office?

Are they not able to help more?

Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to hire someone to do this manually since the publisher did not provide you with a good version with the headings. That is simply awful.

Richard

 


On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@...> wrote:

A software is not able to do this. Let me try to describe  the situation. The publishers sent me these books,(they are not in bookshare). These books visually have main titles, subtitles, and other type of format or fonts that identify what are the hierarchy of titles and points in these books. They are not tagged. So converting these books to word is not a choice, copying and pasting is not a choice either, each book is over 800 pages, and I have no time or way to know which is a heading level 3 or heading level 2. I need someone telling me if a heading in the PDF is parent or child of a previous title.

More over, for some reason that I don’t want to know. Publishers now likes to add text boxes on the sides of the pages with complementary information, or notes,  or just tips related with the topic in those chapters. Keeping the format is no the solution because the way how the screen reader will read it is going to be so confusing. I need take those text boxes at the end of the chapter, I need those notes as bookmarks that are link with points in the chapter.

All of these require human intervention.

Should be someone on the world able to do this. How companies modify Policies  documents or documentation that is not available in word?

How disable people do these?

Copying and pasting, or depending of bookshare, or using text conversion software?

No come on guys, How many of you are going to school.

Do you get your books from bookshare?

You tag your documents manually?

How do you handle text boxes on the sides of the pages in these cases?

For how long you have to work on that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

The Codex program will allow you to convert to epub and that format will hold your formatting, if there is any.  Also, if you know how to navigate through headings and such, you can also save the books to .docx. 

Carol

On 8/12/2017 7:44 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting this semester, and I have bunches of books in PDF. According with the publishers the books are accessible because jaws is able to read the text. However I find that these books are a mess when I try to read them with a screen reader.

  • The Pdf files don’t have any type of heading, so I can’t know which is a main title or a subtitle.
  • On the book are text boxes on the sides of the chapter information. The screen reader reads the text from both parts at the same time so I have no way to know which is the text that I should be reading. It makes the reading experience very confusing.

Anybody know a company  that will be able to prepare this document as a word document, in the correct order, with the correct headings on titles and subtitles?

It is urgent guys,

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Off topic, accessible books,

Drew Hunthausen
 

Pablo,

What school do you go to? Is it in the U.S.? The only reason I’m asking is because often small schools who don’t have the resources or knowledge to get books in the correct formats for students will contract with larger universities who do. You could even contact some larger universities yourself and see what they might be able to help you with.

 

Drew Hunthausen

The No Excuses Blind Guy

#1 Blind and Hearing Impaired Motivational Speaker, Triathlete,

& International Best Selling Author

 

Get my free guide, The Five Keys To Living A No Excuses Life Filled With Joy, Peace, and Prosperity!

http://DrewsInspirations.com

 

To book Drew for your event go to

http://bookdrew.com

(714) 296-7111

 

With an Attitude of Gratitude and no excuses, The Best Is Yet To Come!

http://noexcusesblindguy.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

Hi Richard and all,

My problem is that the accessibility department doesn’t want to do this. They don’t apply headings on word documents. They just do not understand why headings hierarchy are important. I have been in this battle for a few years. The other problem is that for some reason, other reason that I don’t want to know. My school published the titles and ISBN of the books required a few days, and my classes starts tomorrow.

I will hire someone to do this. I was looking if you guys know any company able to do this.

Thanks any way,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

 

Pablo,

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

does your school have a Disabled Student Services office?

Are they not able to help more?

Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to hire someone to do this manually since the publisher did not provide you with a good version with the headings. That is simply awful.

Richard

 


On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@...> wrote:

A software is not able to do this. Let me try to describe  the situation. The publishers sent me these books,(they are not in bookshare). These books visually have main titles, subtitles, and other type of format or fonts that identify what are the hierarchy of titles and points in these books. They are not tagged. So converting these books to word is not a choice, copying and pasting is not a choice either, each book is over 800 pages, and I have no time or way to know which is a heading level 3 or heading level 2. I need someone telling me if a heading in the PDF is parent or child of a previous title.

More over, for some reason that I don’t want to know. Publishers now likes to add text boxes on the sides of the pages with complementary information, or notes,  or just tips related with the topic in those chapters. Keeping the format is no the solution because the way how the screen reader will read it is going to be so confusing. I need take those text boxes at the end of the chapter, I need those notes as bookmarks that are link with points in the chapter.

All of these require human intervention.

Should be someone on the world able to do this. How companies modify Policies  documents or documentation that is not available in word?

How disable people do these?

Copying and pasting, or depending of bookshare, or using text conversion software?

No come on guys, How many of you are going to school.

Do you get your books from bookshare?

You tag your documents manually?

How do you handle text boxes on the sides of the pages in these cases?

For how long you have to work on that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Off topic, accessible books,

 

The Codex program will allow you to convert to epub and that format will hold your formatting, if there is any.  Also, if you know how to navigate through headings and such, you can also save the books to .docx. 

Carol


On 8/12/2017 7:44 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting this semester, and I have bunches of books in PDF. According with the publishers the books are accessible because jaws is able to read the text. However I find that these books are a mess when I try to read them with a screen reader.

  • The Pdf files don’t have any type of heading, so I can’t know which is a main title or a subtitle.
  • On the book are text boxes on the sides of the chapter information. The screen reader reads the text from both parts at the same time so I have no way to know which is the text that I should be reading. It makes the reading experience very confusing.

Anybody know a company  that will be able to prepare this document as a word document, in the correct order, with the correct headings on titles and subtitles?

It is urgent guys,

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

 

 


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Reading books/documents with Focus 40

Carina Venter
 

Hi all,

I'm relatively fresh in the world of refreshable braille, so please excuse my blithe ignorance! Is there a way to get rid of blank space whilst reading a book or other text-based document? In other words, I'm looking for a setting that would utilise the actual text that can be displayed in a single display length (40 cells, in my case) by getting rid of empty space in the original.

Cheers,
Carina 


Re: One Drive Clarification

Tom Behler
 

Kevin and all:

 

Are there any Jaws-friendly step-by-step tutorials for setting up and using one drive?

 

Once again, I have a one-drive  tutorial for Windows 10, but am using windows 7 here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 9:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: One Drive Clarification

 

When I googled one drive it said it came with 8 and 10, and had a download link for 7. I have 10, and no experience downloading it.

Cheers Kevin.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: August 13, 2017 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: One Drive Clarification

 

Tom,

 

Been a while since I’ve been in Windows7 but don’t believe I remember one drive being an option in there like in Windows 10. If I’m incorrect on this hopefully a list member still on Win 7 will jump in and correct.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: One Drive Clarification

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I am sorry for the additional post, but I need to clarify something about my previous one drive quiry.

 

I have some tutorial files for Windows 10, but I’m currently still using Windows 7 on my main laptop computer.

 

So, if I could get some instructions tailered to Windows 7, that would be most helpful.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan