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Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Laura Richardson
 

I'm not Carolyn but I'm responding because she has some of the same issues
going on that I do ...... Hope you don't mind ...... I have called Microsoft
more than once regarding these issues and they told me they don't know why
these things are happening ......

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Have you called Microsoft Accessibility to ask for help with some of the
problems, e.g. the Windows+M not working, your Outlook issue etc.?
I am just asking because I have 5 desktops at my retail store which all run
Windows 7 and Jaws 18 and I have an older laptop and a new one both with
Windows 10 and Jaws 18 and Windows+M which ios a Windows command always
works, at best I might have to press it twice, but usually it works first
time. Similarly when I open Outlook the Inbox opens and emails start coming
in so I would say your issues are not universal hence they should be fixable
and this is where Microsoft Accessibility comes in. If you have problems
which you can reproduce and show them after they log i nt o your system
there is a very good chance they might be able to help you.
It's OK to point out shortcomings and to be disgusted, but only if you are
willing to ask for help to see if the situation can be improved.
A while back I ahd terrible lag issues in Outlook to the point where even
for my sighted employees who don't need Jaws the application crashed or
ground to a stop. Nothing I did seemed to help until somebody from Microsoft
accessibility suggested I might want to delete all my accounts including
their local data files. I use Outlook.com for my personal email and Office
365 for my business email so I knew deleting all of this information would
simply result in a fresh local copy getting downloaded when I set up the
accounts again. I did this and ever since Outlook is responsive and I have
no issues. My data files especially for the business account are very large
because I archive a lot of emails often with attachments and apparently
something had gotten corrupted and deleting and resyncing the account made a
world of difference. This is just one example where asking for help
eventually solved my problem.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me to the Desktop
only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle, which, of course, I know is the
first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says, lost focus,
press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done that, got me as far as spitting
in the wind, then Windows M, no go, but Windows D gets me there. More and
more, as computers are supposed to get better, I have more and more burdens.
In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I have to go to the Server box,
then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it is a downright
nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary problem. In word, sometimes, the
last document I closed goes to the bottom of the folders - why, I haven't
the slightest idea, just a little thing that required extra thought on my
part to find the thing. For 12 years, I used JAWS and Windows system without
having to endure such nonsense. It just makes me wonder what imposition is
around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben
Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't know shcore.dll is also
desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10 when Microsoft renamed
shlwapi.dll to shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time had the
former speaking "Desktop" but has not updated it for the latter (see script
file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent results you're after until VFO
fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for Jaws to randomly give
me variations of what it says when I go to the desktop .. I'm just
trying to find out why this is happening, as well as why every time I
press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".

Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws and my desktop which
I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m Jaws will always say
desktop folder view list view and the name of the icon that's
highlighted .. No
problems with this.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d I get a variation of
what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon that's highlighted (it
does not say desktop or anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and the name of the icon
that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about shell something or
another .. This one doesn't happen as often as the other things Jaws
says when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly
what Jaws says.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never know which one of
these Jaws is going to say when I go to the desktop by pressing Windows
+d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go to the desktop, when I
press insert + t Jaws always says "documents" .. This happens no matter
what icon
is highlighted.

Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as to why these things are
occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.

Laura



Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

I was not in a tandem session, but when I pressed the applications key the
context menu did not open, it did however when I pressed the right mouse
button on the numpad.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Martz
Sent: August 2, 2017 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Thanks. I tried a couple things like this in a tandem connection today. But
I was unable to get the context menu to open. Are there known problems with
opening the context menu remotely during a tandem session?

But it's good to know the procedure for doing this in Office 365 is
essentially unchanged from what I do with my old Office 2010. Next time, if
I run into the same issue, I'll just have my friend try it on her computer
directly.

Thanks again,
-Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
david
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

hello;

give the following a try;

1, enter on the message of a contact you wish to add,

2, now shift+tab until you hear;
we'll use this email as an example;
from: main@jfw.groups.io; on behalf of; Paul Martz
<skewmatrix@gmail.com hold down shift key, and press the left arrow,
you should hear; Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com now press the
applications key, up arrow enter on, add to outlook contacts, now, press
alt+s=save.
note you can go through the various criteria to make sure it's there, but,
you should have no problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul
Martz
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Hi all. I'm looking for a quick way to add the sender of an open email
message to my contacts.

I'm getting this information for a friend of mine, who has Office 365
on a Windows 10 system. I don't have access to
such a
setup, so I can't tinker around to find a solution. If someone here
can tell me how to do this, I'll teach her how in
our next
tandem session. Thanks.
-Paul








Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Laura Richardson
 

Just now when I pressed alt + s to send this message Jaws said "document 6"
...... That's the first time this has happened ......

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 5:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

I'm still getting various announcements when pressing Windows D on top of
the ones I already listed in my original post but not once has it ever said
"desktop". Windows M almost always takes me to the desktop and says desktop
but sometimes it won't take me there ...... It just doesn't do anything
except say "Windows m and then nothing. I also have the same issue you
mentioned in Word about the last file closed being at the bottom of the list
...... This does not happen every time ...... Just randomly.

Laura



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me to the Desktop
only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle, which, of course, I know is the
first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says, lost focus,
press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done that, got me as far as spitting
in the wind, then Windows M, no go, but Windows D gets me there. More and
more, as computers are supposed to get better, I have more and more burdens.
In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I have to go to the Server box,
then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it is a downright
nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary problem. In word, sometimes, the
last document I closed goes to the bottom of the folders - why, I haven't
the slightest idea, just a little thing that required extra thought on my
part to find the thing. For 12 years, I used JAWS and Windows system without
having to endure such nonsense. It just makes me wonder what imposition is
around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben
Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't know shcore.dll is also
desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10 when Microsoft renamed
shlwapi.dll to shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time had the
former speaking "Desktop" but has not updated it for the latter (see script
file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent results you're after until VFO
fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for Jaws to randomly give
me variations of what it says when I go to the desktop .. I'm just
trying to find out why this is happening, as well as why every time I
press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".

Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws and my desktop which
I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m Jaws will always say
desktop folder view list view and the name of the icon that's
highlighted .. No
problems with this.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d I get a variation of
what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon that's highlighted (it
does not say desktop or anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and the name of the icon
that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about shell something or
another .. This one doesn't happen as often as the other things Jaws
says when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly
what Jaws says.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never know which one of
these Jaws is going to say when I go to the desktop by pressing Windows
+d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go to the desktop, when I
press insert + t Jaws always says "documents" .. This happens no matter
what icon
is highlighted.

Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as to why these things are
occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.

Laura



Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Laura Richardson
 

I'm still getting various announcements when pressing Windows D on top of
the ones I already listed in my original post but not once has it ever said
"desktop". Windows M almost always takes me to the desktop and says desktop
but sometimes it won't take me there ...... It just doesn't do anything
except say "Windows m and then nothing. I also have the same issue you
mentioned in Word about the last file closed being at the bottom of the list
...... This does not happen every time ...... Just randomly.

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me to the Desktop
only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle, which, of course, I know is the
first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says, lost focus,
press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done that, got me as far as spitting
in the wind, then Windows M, no go, but Windows D gets me there. More and
more, as computers are supposed to get better, I have more and more burdens.
In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I have to go to the Server box,
then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it is a downright
nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary problem. In word, sometimes, the
last document I closed goes to the bottom of the folders - why, I haven't
the slightest idea, just a little thing that required extra thought on my
part to find the thing. For 12 years, I used JAWS and Windows system without
having to endure such nonsense. It just makes me wonder what imposition is
around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben
Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't know shcore.dll is also
desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10 when Microsoft renamed
shlwapi.dll to shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time had the
former speaking "Desktop" but has not updated it for the latter (see script
file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent results you're after until VFO
fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for Jaws to randomly give
me variations of what it says when I go to the desktop .. I'm just
trying to find out why this is happening, as well as why every time I
press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".

Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws and my desktop which
I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m Jaws will always say
desktop folder view list view and the name of the icon that's
highlighted .. No
problems with this.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d I get a variation of
what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon that's highlighted (it
does not say desktop or anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and the name of the icon
that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about shell something or
another .. This one doesn't happen as often as the other things Jaws
says when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly
what Jaws says.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never
know which one of these Jaws is going to say
when I go to the desktop by pressing Windows +d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go
to the desktop, when I press insert + t Jaws
always says "documents" .. This happens no matter what icon
is highlighted.

Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as
to why these things are occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.

Laura



Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

I am not getting the add to contacts option in my context menu , I have to
select and copy the address, and pres control shift C to get the create a
contact dialog; Win 10, Jaws 18, Outlook 2016.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: August 2, 2017 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Just to add to these completely correct instructions I do the same thing
except that I usually use the Jaws cursor to go up to the "From" field, then
put the cursor somewhere on the address and then I right click which brings
up the same context menu with "Add to Outlook Contacts" as one of the
options.
This will already populate the name and email address, depending on how the
person has their account set up you may have to edit the name, e.g. it may
show up as "Smith, John" but you may want to put "John Smith".

Regards,
Sieghardcan only

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

hello;

give the following a try;

1, enter on the message of a contact you wish to add,

2, now shift+tab until you hear;
we'll use this email as an example;
from: main@jfw.groups.io; on behalf of; Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com
hold down shift key, and press the left arrow, you should hear; Paul Martz
<skewmatrix@gmail.com now press the applications key, up arrow enter on, add
to outlook contacts, now, press alt+s=save.
note you can go through the various criteria to make sure it's there, but,
you should have no problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Martz
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Hi all. I'm looking for a quick way to add the sender of an open email
message to my contacts.

I'm getting this information for a friend of mine, who has Office 365 on a
Windows 10 system. I don't have access to such a setup, so I can't tinker
around to find a solution. If someone here can tell me how to do this, I'll
teach her how in our next tandem session. Thanks.
-Paul


Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Yes, of course there is no ill intent. they just dont understand. :) On 8/2/2017 2:13 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

It is, indeed, their world. Most of the problem is that they simply have no idea. They do not wish us harm, just don't get it. sonshines59@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Its a trend that some sighted people just dont get and since they are in charge...
On 8/2/2017 9:01 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me to the
Desktop only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle, which, of course, I
know is the first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says, lost
focus, press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done that, got me as far
as spitting in the wind, then Windows M, no go, but Windows D gets me
there. More and more, as computers are supposed to get better, I have
more and more burdens. In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I
have to go to the Server box, then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it is a
downright nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary problem. In
word, sometimes, the last document I closed goes to the bottom of the
folders - why, I haven't the slightest idea, just a little thing that
required extra thought on my part to find the thing. For 12 years, I
used JAWS and Windows system without having to endure such nonsense.
It just makes me wonder what imposition is around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben
Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't know shcore.dll is
also desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10 when Microsoft renamed
shlwapi.dll to shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time had
the former speaking "Desktop" but has not updated it for the latter
(see script file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent results you're after
until VFO fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for Jaws to randomly
give me variations of what it says when I go to the desktop .. I'm
just trying to find out why this is happening, as well as why every
time I press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".
Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws and my desktop which
I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m Jaws will always say
desktop folder view list view and the name of the icon that's
highlighted .. No
problems with this.
When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d I get a variation of
what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon that's highlighted (it
does not say desktop or anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and the name of the icon
that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about shell something or
another .. This one doesn't happen as often as the other things Jaws
says when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly
what Jaws says.
There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never know which one of
these Jaws is going to say when I go to the desktop by pressing
Windows +d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go to the desktop, when
I press insert + t Jaws always says "documents" .. This happens no
matter what icon
is highlighted.
Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as to why these things
are occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.
Laura















Re: Outlook with Win10

Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
 

Howard,

It can be either. I'm sure if you google it there will be
plenty of sites with info. Current version is Outlook 2016
which runs on a local PC or the subscription based version,
Office 365 which I believe runs from the Cloud and can be
downloaded to run locally as well. The latter is
subscription based. Often Outlook is packaged with MS Office
but can be purchases as a standalone application. List can
correct me if any of the above is not correct or misleading.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook with Win10

Hi anybody,

Just kind of wondering: Is this Outlook that lots of folks
are using an application or client local to your computer or
is it a web-based on-line mail system? Where can I find out
more about it and how to set it up?

Thanks lots.

Howard


Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

It is, indeed, their world. Most of the problem is that they simply have no idea. They do not wish us harm, just don't get it. sonshines59@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Its a trend that some sighted people just dont get and since they are in charge...
On 8/2/2017 9:01 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me to the
Desktop only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle, which, of course, I
know is the first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says, lost
focus, press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done that, got me as far
as spitting in the wind, then Windows M, no go, but Windows D gets me
there. More and more, as computers are supposed to get better, I have
more and more burdens. In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I
have to go to the Server box, then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it is a
downright nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary problem. In
word, sometimes, the last document I closed goes to the bottom of the
folders - why, I haven't the slightest idea, just a little thing that
required extra thought on my part to find the thing. For 12 years, I
used JAWS and Windows system without having to endure such nonsense.
It just makes me wonder what imposition is around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben
Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't know shcore.dll is
also desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10 when Microsoft renamed
shlwapi.dll to shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time had
the former speaking "Desktop" but has not updated it for the latter
(see script file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent results you're after
until VFO fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for Jaws to randomly
give me variations of what it says when I go to the desktop .. I'm
just trying to find out why this is happening, as well as why every
time I press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".
Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws and my desktop which
I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m Jaws will always say
desktop folder view list view and the name of the icon that's
highlighted .. No
problems with this.
When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d I get a variation of
what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon that's highlighted (it
does not say desktop or anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and the name of the icon
that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about shell something or
another .. This one doesn't happen as often as the other things Jaws
says when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly
what Jaws says.
There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never know which one of
these Jaws is going to say when I go to the desktop by pressing
Windows +d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go to the desktop, when
I press insert + t Jaws always says "documents" .. This happens no
matter what icon
is highlighted.
Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as to why these things
are occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.
Laura












Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Thanks. I tried a couple things like this in a tandem connection today. But I was unable to get the context menu to
open. Are there known problems with opening the context menu remotely during a tandem session?

But it's good to know the procedure for doing this in Office 365 is essentially unchanged from what I do with my old
Office 2010. Next time, if I run into the same issue, I'll just have my friend try it on her computer directly.

Thanks again,
-Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

hello;

give the following a try;

1, enter on the message of a contact you wish to add,

2, now shift+tab until you hear;
we'll use this email as an example;
from: main@jfw.groups.io; on behalf of; Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com hold down shift key, and press the left
arrow, you should hear; Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com now press the applications key, up arrow enter on, add to
outlook contacts, now, press alt+s=save.
note you can go through the various criteria to make sure it's there, but, you should have no problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Martz
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Hi all. I'm looking for a quick way to add the sender of an open email message to my contacts.

I'm getting this information for a friend of mine, who has Office 365 on a Windows 10 system. I don't have access to
such a
setup, so I can't tinker around to find a solution. If someone here can tell me how to do this, I'll teach her how in
our next
tandem session. Thanks.
-Paul








Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I have to do that name change. Everything comes up as Smith,
John, but I go into that file window and change it so that
the first name is first. I wonder if there is a setting
where I would not have to do that.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Just to add to these completely correct instructions I do
the same thing except that I usually use the Jaws cursor to
go up to the "From" field, then put the cursor somewhere on
the address and then I right click which brings up the same
context menu with "Add to Outlook Contacts" as one of the
options.
This will already populate the name and email address,
depending on how the person has their account set up you may
have to edit the name, e.g. it may show up as "Smith, John"
but you may want to put "John Smith".

Regards,
Sieghardcan only

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

hello;

give the following a try;

1, enter on the message of a contact you wish to add,

2, now shift+tab until you hear;
we'll use this email as an example;
from: main@jfw.groups.io; on behalf of; Paul Martz
<skewmatrix@gmail.com hold down shift key, and press the
left arrow, you should hear; Paul Martz
<skewmatrix@gmail.com now press the applications key, up
arrow enter on, add to outlook contacts, now, press
alt+s=save.
note you can go through the various criteria to make sure
it's there, but, you should have no problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Paul Martz
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Hi all. I'm looking for a quick way to add the sender of an
open email message to my contacts.

I'm getting this information for a friend of mine, who has
Office 365 on a Windows 10 system. I don't have access to
such a setup, so I can't tinker around to find a solution.
If someone here can tell me how to do this, I'll teach her
how in our next tandem session. Thanks.
-Paul


Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I have been in contact with Microsoft Disability and with
VFO. No solution.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Have you called Microsoft Accessibility to ask for help with
some of the problems, e.g. the Windows+M not working, your
Outlook issue etc.?
I am just asking because I have 5 desktops at my retail
store which all run Windows 7 and Jaws 18 and I have an
older laptop and a new one both with Windows 10 and Jaws 18
and Windows+M which ios a Windows command always works, at
best I might have to press it twice, but usually it works
first time. Similarly when I open Outlook the Inbox opens
and emails start coming in so I would say your issues are
not universal hence they should be fixable and this is where
Microsoft Accessibility comes in. If you have problems which
you can reproduce and show them after they log i nt o your
system there is a very good chance they might be able to
help you.
It's OK to point out shortcomings and to be disgusted, but
only if you are willing to ask for help to see if the
situation can be improved.
A while back I ahd terrible lag issues in Outlook to the
point where even for my sighted employees who don't need
Jaws the application crashed or ground to a stop. Nothing I
did seemed to help until somebody from Microsoft
accessibility suggested I might want to delete all my
accounts including their local data files. I use Outlook.com
for my personal email and Office 365 for my business email
so I knew deleting all of this information would simply
result in a fresh local copy getting downloaded when I set
up the accounts again. I did this and ever since Outlook is
responsive and I have no issues. My data files especially
for the business account are very large because I archive a
lot of emails often with attachments and apparently
something had gotten corrupted and deleting and resyncing
the account made a world of difference. This is just one
example where asking for help eventually solved my problem.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me
to the Desktop only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle,
which, of course, I know is the first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says,
lost focus, press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done
that, got me as far as spitting in the wind, then Windows M,
no go, but Windows D gets me there. More and more, as
computers are supposed to get better, I have more and more
burdens. In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I have
to go to the Server box, then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it
is a downright nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary
problem. In word, sometimes, the last document I closed goes
to the bottom of the folders - why, I haven't the slightest
idea, just a little thing that required extra thought on my
part to find the thing. For 12 years, I used JAWS and
Windows system without having to endure such nonsense. It
just makes me wonder what imposition is around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't know
shcore.dll is also desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10 when
Microsoft renamed shlwapi.dll to shcore.dll. We can see
that Freedom at one time had the former speaking "Desktop"
but has not updated it for the latter (see script file
"Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent results you're
after until VFO fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for Jaws to
randomly give
me variations of what it says when I go to the desktop ..
I'm just
trying to find out why this is happening, as well as why
every time I
press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".

Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws and my
desktop which
I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m Jaws will
always say
desktop folder view list view and the name of the icon
that's
highlighted .. No
problems with this.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d I get a
variation of
what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon that's
highlighted (it
does not say desktop or anything else, just the name of the
icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and the name of
the icon
that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about shell
something or
another .. This one doesn't happen as often as the other
things Jaws
says when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have
exactly
what Jaws says.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never know which
one of
these Jaws is going to say when I go to the desktop by
pressing Windows
+d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go to the
desktop, when I
press insert + t Jaws always says "documents" .. This
happens no matter
what icon
is highlighted.

Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as to why
these things are
occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.

Laura



Outlook with Win10

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Hi anybody,

Just kind of wondering: Is this Outlook that lots of folks are using an application or client local to your computer or is it a web-based on-line mail system? Where can I find out more about it and how to set it up?

Thanks lots.

Howard


Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Its a trend that some sighted people just dont get and since they are in charge...

On 8/2/2017 9:01 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me
to the Desktop only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle,
which, of course, I know is the first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says,
lost focus, press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done
that, got me as far as spitting in the wind, then Windows M,
no go, but Windows D gets me there. More and more, as
computers are supposed to get better, I have more and more
burdens. In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I have
to go to the Server box, then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it
is a downright nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary
problem. In word, sometimes, the last document I closed goes
to the bottom of the folders - why, I haven't the slightest
idea, just a little thing that required extra thought on my
part to find the thing. For 12 years, I used JAWS and
Windows system without having to endure such nonsense. It
just makes me wonder what imposition is around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't
know shcore.dll is also desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10
when Microsoft renamed shlwapi.dll to
shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time
had the former speaking "Desktop" but has not
updated it for the latter (see script file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent
results you're after until VFO fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for
Jaws to randomly give me variations of what it
says when I go to the desktop .. I'm just trying
to find out why this is happening, as well as
why every time I press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".
Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws
and my desktop which I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m
Jaws will always say desktop folder view list
view and the name of the icon that's highlighted .. No
problems with this.
When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d
I get a variation of what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon
that's highlighted (it does not say desktop or
anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and
the name of the icon that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about
shell something or another .. This one doesn't
happen as often as the other things Jaws says
when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly
what Jaws says.
There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never
know which one of these Jaws is going to say
when I go to the desktop by pressing Windows +d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go
to the desktop, when I press insert + t Jaws
always says "documents" .. This happens no matter what icon
is highlighted.
Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as
to why these things are occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.
Laura











Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Just to add to these completely correct instructions I do the same thing except that I usually use the Jaws cursor to go up to the "From" field, then put the cursor somewhere on the address and then I right click which brings up the same context menu with "Add to Outlook Contacts" as one of the options.
This will already populate the name and email address, depending on how the person has their account set up you may have to edit the name, e.g. it may show up as "Smith, John" but you may want to put "John Smith".

Regards,
Sieghardcan only

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

hello;

give the following a try;

1, enter on the message of a contact you wish to add,

2, now shift+tab until you hear;
we'll use this email as an example;
from: main@jfw.groups.io; on behalf of; Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com hold down shift key, and press the left arrow, you should hear; Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com now press the applications key, up arrow enter on, add to outlook contacts, now, press alt+s=save.
note you can go through the various criteria to make sure it's there, but, you should have no problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Martz
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Hi all. I'm looking for a quick way to add the sender of an open email message to my contacts.

I'm getting this information for a friend of mine, who has Office 365 on a Windows 10 system. I don't have access to such a setup, so I can't tinker around to find a solution. If someone here can tell me how to do this, I'll teach her how in our next tandem session. Thanks.
-Paul


Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Have you called Microsoft Accessibility to ask for help with some of the problems, e.g. the Windows+M not working, your Outlook issue etc.?
I am just asking because I have 5 desktops at my retail store which all run Windows 7 and Jaws 18 and I have an older laptop and a new one both with Windows 10 and Jaws 18 and Windows+M which ios a Windows command always works, at best I might have to press it twice, but usually it works first time. Similarly when I open Outlook the Inbox opens and emails start coming in so I would say your issues are not universal hence they should be fixable and this is where Microsoft Accessibility comes in. If you have problems which you can reproduce and show them after they log i nt o your system there is a very good chance they might be able to help you.
It's OK to point out shortcomings and to be disgusted, but only if you are willing to ask for help to see if the situation can be improved.
A while back I ahd terrible lag issues in Outlook to the point where even for my sighted employees who don't need Jaws the application crashed or ground to a stop. Nothing I did seemed to help until somebody from Microsoft accessibility suggested I might want to delete all my accounts including their local data files. I use Outlook.com for my personal email and Office 365 for my business email so I knew deleting all of this information would simply result in a fresh local copy getting downloaded when I set up the accounts again. I did this and ever since Outlook is responsive and I have no issues. My data files especially for the business account are very large because I archive a lot of emails often with attachments and apparently something had gotten corrupted and deleting and resyncing the account made a world of difference. This is just one example where asking for help eventually solved my problem.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me to the Desktop only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle, which, of course, I know is the first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says, lost focus, press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done that, got me as far as spitting in the wind, then Windows M, no go, but Windows D gets me there. More and more, as computers are supposed to get better, I have more and more burdens. In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I have to go to the Server box, then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it is a downright nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary problem. In word, sometimes, the last document I closed goes to the bottom of the folders - why, I haven't the slightest idea, just a little thing that required extra thought on my part to find the thing. For 12 years, I used JAWS and Windows system without having to endure such nonsense. It just makes me wonder what imposition is around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't know shcore.dll is also desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10 when Microsoft renamed shlwapi.dll to shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time had the former speaking "Desktop" but has not updated it for the latter (see script file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent results you're after until VFO fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for Jaws to randomly give
me variations of what it says when I go to the desktop .. I'm just
trying to find out why this is happening, as well as why every time I
press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".

Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws and my desktop which
I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m Jaws will always say
desktop folder view list view and the name of the icon that's
highlighted .. No
problems with this.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d I get a variation of
what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon that's highlighted (it
does not say desktop or anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and the name of the icon
that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about shell something or
another .. This one doesn't happen as often as the other things Jaws
says when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly
what Jaws says.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never
know which one of these Jaws is going to say
when I go to the desktop by pressing Windows +d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go
to the desktop, when I press insert + t Jaws
always says "documents" .. This happens no matter what icon
is highlighted.

Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as
to why these things are occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.

Laura



Re: Quick add for Outlook contacts

david
 

hello;

give the following a try;

1, enter on the message of a contact you wish to add,

2, now shift+tab until you hear;
we'll use this email as an example;
from: main@jfw.groups.io; on behalf of; Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com
hold down shift key, and press the left arrow, you should hear;
Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com
now press the applications key,
up arrow enter on,
add to outlook contacts,
now, press alt+s=save.
note you can go through the various criteria to make sure it's there, but,
you should have no problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Martz
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quick add for Outlook contacts

Hi all. I'm looking for a quick way to add the sender of an open email
message to my contacts.

I'm getting this information for a friend of mine, who has Office 365 on a
Windows 10 system. I don't have access to
such a setup, so I can't tinker around to find a solution. If someone here
can tell me how to do this, I'll teach her
how in our next tandem session. Thanks.
-Paul


Quick add for Outlook contacts

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Hi all. I'm looking for a quick way to add the sender of an open email message to my contacts.

I'm getting this information for a friend of mine, who has Office 365 on a Windows 10 system. I don't have access to
such a setup, so I can't tinker around to find a solution. If someone here can tell me how to do this, I'll teach her
how in our next tandem session. Thanks.
-Paul


Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me
to the Desktop only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle,
which, of course, I know is the first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says,
lost focus, press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done
that, got me as far as spitting in the wind, then Windows M,
no go, but Windows D gets me there. More and more, as
computers are supposed to get better, I have more and more
burdens. In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I have
to go to the Server box, then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it
is a downright nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary
problem. In word, sometimes, the last document I closed goes
to the bottom of the folders - why, I haven't the slightest
idea, just a little thing that required extra thought on my
part to find the thing. For 12 years, I used JAWS and
Windows system without having to endure such nonsense. It
just makes me wonder what imposition is around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't
know shcore.dll is also desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10
when Microsoft renamed shlwapi.dll to
shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time
had the former speaking "Desktop" but has not
updated it for the latter (see script file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent
results you're after until VFO fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for
Jaws to randomly give me variations of what it
says when I go to the desktop .. I'm just trying
to find out why this is happening, as well as
why every time I press insert + t Jaws says "documents"
instead of
"desktop".

Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws
and my desktop which I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m
Jaws will always say desktop folder view list
view and the name of the icon that's highlighted .. No
problems with this.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d
I get a variation of what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon
that's highlighted (it does not say desktop or
anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and
the name of the icon that's highlighted (but not desktop or
anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about
shell something or another .. This one doesn't
happen as often as the other things Jaws says
when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly
what Jaws says.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never
know which one of these Jaws is going to say
when I go to the desktop by pressing Windows +d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go
to the desktop, when I press insert + t Jaws
always says "documents" .. This happens no matter what icon
is highlighted.

Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as
to why these things are occurring? .. Thank you for any
help.

Laura



Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Laura Richardson
 

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben
Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't
know shcore.dll is also desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10
when Microsoft renamed shlwapi.dll to
shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time
had the former speaking "Desktop" but has not
updated it for the latter (see script file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent
results you're after until VFO fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for
Jaws to randomly give me variations of what it
says when I go to the desktop .. I'm just trying
to find out why this is happening, as well as
why every time I press insert + t Jaws says "documents" instead of
"desktop".

Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws
and my desktop which I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m
Jaws will always say desktop folder view list
view and the name of the icon that's highlighted .. No problems with this.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d
I get a variation of what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon
that's highlighted (it does not say desktop or
anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and
the name of the icon that's highlighted (but not desktop or anything else)
*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about
shell something or another .. This one doesn't
happen as often as the other things Jaws says
when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly what Jaws says.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never
know which one of these Jaws is going to say
when I go to the desktop by pressing Windows +d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go
to the desktop, when I press insert + t Jaws
always says "documents" .. This happens no matter what icon is highlighted.

Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as
to why these things are occurring? .. Thank you for any help.

Laura



Re: clarificationon music sharing program

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

You know, I knew that, so just didn't catch it - I mean I
heard in my mind Control 3.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clarificationon music sharing program

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Sorry that it didn't come
out correct.
On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel
<sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

I assume you meant "Sent Space", "since spaces" is a new
one to me.
It really helps to check what dictation produces, this one
just makes no sense, in other situations it can be downright
embarrassing or might even be considered insulting.
Lastly, I wonder if what the original poster really meant
was if there are still services like KaZaa which was (is) a
peer to peer file sharing service for music, movies etc. A
quick Google search seems to indicate that it still exists,
maybe in a legal format now since they wer subject to a
number of law suits back in the mid to late 90's. How
accessible it is I have no idea, I pay what I consider a
relatively small amount each months for Apple Music which
gives me access to all the music I ever want and then some.
We even have the family plan so both my wife and I can have
our own preferences and so on and even that costs about what
a single CD used to cost 20 or 25 years ago.

Here is what I found for KaZaa:
http://kazaa.descargar.es/en


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clarificationon music sharing program

And there's also since spaces well.
On Jul 30, 2017, at 10:52 PM, Randy Barnett
<randy@soundtique.net> wrote:

Never heard of a shareing app for just music but there
are dozens of ways to share files. mp3's are just files
after all.
Dropbox.
One Drive.
Email.
Google is a great resource. find the app you want then
try it or ask about it here.


On 7/30/2017 8:06 PM, marvin kotler wrote:
I guess I mean a program that can share music with other
people;
Marv