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Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hi,

I’ll forward this question to a place where people can give better pictures.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 


Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 


Re: Mouse over on bank site

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Thanks Sieghard and also Matthew Horspool. The JAWSKEY + CTRL + ENTER is much more elegant than using the JAWS cursor
for mouseover controls.
-Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 2:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse over on bank site

Hi Paul,

There is a good change the correct key stroke would have activate the mouseover and told you where to go. I am not
saying this works always, but it usually does. You press Insert+Control+Enter, Jaws will say something like "Change at
line
23", you then use "j", the jum command, and type in "23" to jump to line 23 which is where the other links start. I am
often surprised how many people don't know about such an important and essential command for web navigation.
Here is an example how this looks/sounds like when I log into my credit card processor's website (I used the speech
history to copy this):

* Reports on mouse over
* Terminal on mouse over - I press Insert+Control+Enter here and then hear the below:
change at line 13
Jump To Line dialog
Enter Line Number (1 to 46): edit - here I entered 13 followed by enter and then when I arrowed down I get the
following
links which a sighted user sees by hovering over the "Terminal" mouseover:
* Link Preauth
* visited Link Capture
* visited Link Purchase
* Link Void
* Link Refund


Best regards,
Sieghard


Shortcut for maximizing windows

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

To maximize a window, hit WINDOWS + UP ARROW.

I wanted to share this shortcut with everyone, as I've seen a couple posts recently in which posters complain that
windows they have maximized have become unmaximized. This is a quick way to ensure your window is maximized.
-Paul


Re: jaws crhashing with windows 10 64 bit pro

 

This can also be hardware related.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 2:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws crhashing with windows 10 64 bit pro

 

If it were me, I'd call Microsoft Accessibility: 1-800-936-5900

They could remote in to your computer and figure out what is going on.

Richard

 


On Jul 29, 2017, at 1:10 AM, marvin hunkin <startrekcafe@...> wrote:

Hi, lately at least once or twice a day, windows 10 crashes, got all the latest updates and using jaws 18, latest update. Just had a crash, in file explorer, which is windows explorer, and when I get the not responding message, it just hangs, tried unloading jaws and it just hangs and crashes. Any ideas.

Marvin.

Ps: for my anti virus, I use Avast free and for my malware use superanti spyware and do have windows defender which does a periodic scan.

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Linked-in with JAWS

Charles Krugman
 

Unfortunately LinkedIn has become more problematic with JAWS. I haven't made any profile changes lately but the design of LinkedIn has changed and there are labeling problems with some of the buttons on the pages. In the past I did get some telephone technical assistance from them but it was a result of an on line survey about LinkedIn that I participated in. They could definitely improve their web accessibility for screen reader users. I primarily use it for participation in professional groups which are quite useful.
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 6:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Linked-in with JAWS

Do any of you use Linked-in with JAWS? I tried changing my profile and education, because it seems to be all messed up, but cannot seem to do it without sighted help. If any of you have tips, please help.


Shirley Tracy
author
OPERATION CODE CHARLIE
now available at major book sellers


Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

 

Mario,

         Then avail yourself of the Microsoft website.  None of the formal documentation states anything in conflict with what I've offered.  If you have only Windows Defender running on a Windows 7 or earlier system it does not include an antivirus component.

          Two pertinent threads from answers.microsoft.com:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10/microsoft-security-essentials-for-windows-10/16ec3399-e20e-48a0-bf06-bf1208a864a7

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/mse-protect_start/microsoft-security-essentials/5118072d-2a69-4a89-a416-864cf70ddd88

the second of which contains a direct link to one of quietman7's in-depth posts on BleepingComputer about best practices for security and that again reiterates what I've said and the Microsoft site itself says.

Windows Defender, prior to Windows 8, is not an antivirus product and if you don't have either Microsoft Security Essentials or some third-party antivirus or security suite running the conclusion is obvious.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Mario
 

when I allowed the MSA tech to take control of the laptop running Vista,
after about 3 hours, he fixed the issue that checking for updates got
stuck. after he finished, I noticed that there was only Windows Defender
installed as a program for protection. I asked him about also installing
Security Essentials, and told me what I previously posted. this guy was
not the guy that answers the calls, he was the technician (the guy at
tier 2). Vista was also included in the OSs I mentioned, but who is
still running Vista these days...

------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, Jul 29, 2017 10:25 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Mario,

What you say is true for Windows 8 and later. Under Windows 7
Windows Defender remains an antimalware scanner only to this day and
Microsoft Security Essentials is the Microsoft antivirus under Windows 7.

See:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/648703/looking-for-a-good-free-anti-virus/page-2#entry4257211

--
*Brian*- Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level
on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


/If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you
furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap
and you won't mind. /~ Irving Becker


Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

 

Mario,

        What you say is true for Windows 8 and later.  Under Windows 7 Windows Defender remains an antimalware scanner only to this day and Microsoft Security Essentials is the Microsoft antivirus under Windows 7.

         See:  https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/648703/looking-for-a-good-free-anti-virus/page-2#entry4257211

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Problem with newly installed J18

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Thanks big time Kevin, I’m back in the old Outlook saddle again!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with newly installed J18

 

Did you check to turn off virtual ribbon?

Insert F2

Press s for setting center

Type in ribbon

Arrow down to check if virtual ribbon is off

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: July 29, 2017 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem with newly installed J18

 

Good morning.

I’m running w7 and I installed J18.0 and when I open my Outlook 2010, I’ve noticed I don’t have much in the  menu bars/ribbons ETC. When I hit control N, to bring up a new email, and I’m in the message body and then hit the alt key; I only have what JAWS says is  virtual ribbons and then it says:

To move within the virtual ribbons use tab or shift tab or the arrows.

But when I hit any of the arrows, tab and shift tab: Nothing!

 

So I guess I have to change some setting? Can anyone give me some suggestions on where to start?

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy

Florida Council of the Blind

Fundraising Committee Member

 

Home: 239-540-7431

Cell: 239-565-5845

Email: mulrich@...

 


Re: Problem with newly installed J18

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Did you check to turn off virtual ribbon?

Insert F2

Press s for setting center

Type in ribbon

Arrow down to check if virtual ribbon is off

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: July 29, 2017 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem with newly installed J18

 

Good morning.

I’m running w7 and I installed J18.0 and when I open my Outlook 2010, I’ve noticed I don’t have much in the  menu bars/ribbons ETC. When I hit control N, to bring up a new email, and I’m in the message body and then hit the alt key; I only have what JAWS says is  virtual ribbons and then it says:

To move within the virtual ribbons use tab or shift tab or the arrows.

But when I hit any of the arrows, tab and shift tab: Nothing!

 

So I guess I have to change some setting? Can anyone give me some suggestions on where to start?

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy

Florida Council of the Blind

Fundraising Committee Member

 

Home: 239-540-7431

Cell: 239-565-5845

Email: mulrich@...

 


Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Mario
 

some time ago when I was trying to fix my friend's laptop, at one point
the MS help desk tech said that Security Essentials was basicly phased
out and replaced by Windows Defender which is a combination of antivirus
and antimalware. it is also been improved over the years it was being
developed. it should work fine in systems running w7, 8/8.1 and 10.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike Ulrich [mailto:mulrich@centurylink.net]
Sent: Saturday, Jul 29, 2017 6:26 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Thanks much, good info!



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 5:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?



Under Windows 10 and Windows 8 Windows Defender is an antivirus and
antimalware tool with realtime scanning. It is getting antiransomware
and several other capabilities integrated into it with the fall update
this year.

Under Windows 7 Windows Defender was an antimalware scanner and
Microsoft Security Essentials was the antivirus. Both could be used
together.

Microsoft Security Essentials is unnecessary under any version of
Windows later than Windows 7.


Re: two questions

Carol Smith
 

Thank you. I had the box for all users checked. It is now unchecked. That is what was checked when I loaded the program. Since I am the only user, I didn't think it would make any difference. I guess I will find out when I reboot, but this sounds as though it should help.

Carol

On 7/28/2017 1:15 PM, Matthew Horspool wrote:
Hi Carol,
Assuming you're using it from the keyboard, I think the space bar should activate the item under the touch cursor. If that fails try enter.
I'm not completely sure about your second problem. You say that it's set to come up after windows is loaded, but the problem you're describing sounds more like what happens if there are multiple user accounts on the system and JAWS is coming up before it knows what user account to load. In this instance it will use the settings of the last logged in user to use JAWS.
Can you check the following settings in Options/Basics.../Automatically Start JAWS...?
1. Start JAWS at the logon screen - in the scenario you're describing, this should be unchecked.
2. Start JAWS after logon for all users - this should also be unchecked.
3. Start JAWS after logon for this user - this should be set to Always.
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: 28 July 2017 18:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: two questions

Hi. First, I would like to know if there is a way to click on items that are spoken with the touch cursor. Next, my win7 is set for jaws to start after windows is loaded. The voice that comes up is so slow and gravelly that I can hardly tell what it is saying. The only way to fix it is to reload jaws. Is there a setting somewhere that needs to be changed? Thanks.

Carol







Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Thanks much, good info!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 5:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

 

Under Windows 10 and Windows 8 Windows Defender is an antivirus and antimalware tool with realtime scanning.  It is getting antiransomware and several other capabilities integrated into it with the fall update this year.

Under Windows 7 Windows Defender was an antimalware scanner and Microsoft Security Essentials was the antivirus.  Both could be used together.

Microsoft Security Essentials is unnecessary under any version of Windows later than Windows 7.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Problem with newly installed J18

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Good morning.

I’m running w7 and I installed J18.0 and when I open my Outlook 2010, I’ve noticed I don’t have much in the  menu bars/ribbons ETC. When I hit control N, to bring up a new email, and I’m in the message body and then hit the alt key; I only have what JAWS says is  virtual ribbons and then it says:

To move within the virtual ribbons use tab or shift tab or the arrows.

But when I hit any of the arrows, tab and shift tab: Nothing!

 

So I guess I have to change some setting? Can anyone give me some suggestions on where to start?

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy

Florida Council of the Blind

Fundraising Committee Member

 

Home: 239-540-7431

Cell: 239-565-5845

Email: mulrich@...

 


Re: jaws crhashing with windows 10 64 bit pro

Richard Turner
 

If it were me, I'd call Microsoft Accessibility: 1-800-936-5900
They could remote in to your computer and figure out what is going on.
Richard


On Jul 29, 2017, at 1:10 AM, marvin hunkin <startrekcafe@...> wrote:

Hi, lately at least once or twice a day, windows 10 crashes, got all the latest updates and using jaws 18, latest update. Just had a crash, in file explorer, which is windows explorer, and when I get the not responding message, it just hangs, tried unloading jaws and it just hangs and crashes. Any ideas.

Marvin.

Ps: for my anti virus, I use Avast free and for my malware use superanti spyware and do have windows defender which does a periodic scan.


Virus-free. www.avast.com


jaws crhashing with windows 10 64 bit pro

marvin hunkin <startrekcafe@...>
 

Hi, lately at least once or twice a day, windows 10 crashes, got all the latest updates and using jaws 18, latest update. Just had a crash, in file explorer, which is windows explorer, and when I get the not responding message, it just hangs, tried unloading jaws and it just hangs and crashes. Any ideas.

Marvin.

Ps: for my anti virus, I use Avast free and for my malware use superanti spyware and do have windows defender which does a periodic scan.


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Web sites issue

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi all,
JAWS 18, Windows 10. Google Chrome is the only browser that I use, at least for web pages. I still use IE to casually inspect RSS feeds but that's about it. I don't use Firefox at all - I could never get on with it, actually.
The only slight snag is that Flexible Web doesn't seem to be supported under Chrome, and I did rather like that in IE.
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: 28 July 2017 22:59
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

That is good news, because it really was not for me a couple of years ago.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 12:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Dave,
I just installed Chrome to check it out and it does seem very useable now on Windows 10 with Jaws 18.
At least, for quick searches, which is all I have done thus far.

HTH,
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Sieghard,

I must have been asleep for a while, because when I last dozed off, Google Chrome was nearly completely inaccessible.
Have things improved?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:51
Subject: Re: Web sites issue


As I said, the simple solution is to install Google Chrome, using IE exclusively often is just not enough anymore and will continue to be more and more problematic.
You have to look at this like you look at apps on iOS, most of us use several map/GPS apps like Apple Maps and/or Google Maps along with Blindsquare, Seeing Eye GPS or Nearby Explorer. Most of us use various apps for doing OCR and identifying/recognizing objects, money, barcodes etc.
Using two browsers on the PC is no different, try Chrome and then use it either as your primary or secondary browser along with IE.
For basic
browsing Chrome is not a steep learning curve, all quick nav keys work just the same as in IE as these are Jaws functions and they are the same in all browsers.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I'm not glad you're having the same problem but I'm glad
it's not just me.
This just started a few days ago but it doesn't happen every
time ......
Frustrating ......

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I have the same complaint, and it is of recent onset.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Web sites issue

Hello,



During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web
site for a
specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying
something about
"the security of this site cannot be verified". When this
happens I cannot
get it to go away; when I press alt + f4 or try to go back
to the previous
page Jaws just keeps repeating this message. This morning
it happened again
and I kept pressing alt + f4 about six or seven times and
finally it got me
off the internet.



Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not. The web sites I'm
speaking of are
ones that I've used regularly for a long time without any
problems .. This
does not happen every time and does not happen on all web
sites.



One of the web sites is accuweather.com .. I go to this
site, read the three
day local forecast, and then click on extended forecast".



Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does
happen on some
other web sites. I'm using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11.
Does anybody
have any thoughts on why this is happening? Any suggestions
are greatly
appreciated.



Laura


Re: two questions

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Carol,
Assuming you're using it from the keyboard, I think the space bar should activate the item under the touch cursor. If that fails try enter.
I'm not completely sure about your second problem. You say that it's set to come up after windows is loaded, but the problem you're describing sounds more like what happens if there are multiple user accounts on the system and JAWS is coming up before it knows what user account to load. In this instance it will use the settings of the last logged in user to use JAWS.
Can you check the following settings in Options/Basics.../Automatically Start JAWS...?
1. Start JAWS at the logon screen - in the scenario you're describing, this should be unchecked.
2. Start JAWS after logon for all users - this should also be unchecked.
3. Start JAWS after logon for this user - this should be set to Always.
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: 28 July 2017 18:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: two questions

Hi. First, I would like to know if there is a way to click on items that are spoken with the touch cursor. Next, my win7 is set for jaws to start after windows is loaded. The voice that comes up is so slow and gravelly that I can hardly tell what it is saying. The only way to fix it is to reload jaws. Is there a setting somewhere that needs to be changed? Thanks.

Carol


Re: Mouse over on bank site

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Paul,
Newcomer to this list and this thread so apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick!
However, RE mouseOver controls, there is a keystroke that simulates hovering the mouse in the virtual cursor. I think it is CTRL+INSERT+ENTER but don't quote me. Perhaps this will solve your problem.
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Martz
Sent: 28 July 2017 18:05
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse over on bank site

I ran into a web site a couple years back that had mouse-over controls. They are frustrating.

This control, in particular, opened a menu when the user hovered the mouse. I found I could open the menu with the JAWS cursor, and I somehow managed to get to the menu options but don't remember the details.

Ultimately, I discovered that each of the menu options, when selected, took me to a unique URL. So my final solution was to simply bookmark the target URLs of each menu option. Rather than use the HAWS cursor to hover over the control and navigate to a menu option, I would simply select a bookmark, which turned out to be orders of magnitude more efficient.
It pays to be creative and think out of the box.

Maybe you can do something like that with your bank site?
-Paul