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JAWS ducking up and down, but it's okay

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

Hello,

     I’ve been experiencing that thing where JAWS ducks in and out as it’s reading. However, this is with my headset with mike. It’s okay though; just hard reset screen reader with insert windows and f4.

Ashleigh Piccinino

Other than that, no major things here.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Yes. The one I linked is unique in that various screen readers are represented (not just JAWS), welcomes Windows Insiders, news on upcoming Fall Creators Update and future developments are regularly posted, changelog of cumulative updates are posted on the day of their releases, and is actively monitored by Microsoft staff, particularly Narrator developers and folks working on other accessibility initiatives.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Is that an email list for Windows 10 users similar to this one?

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 6:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hi,

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

What do you mean when you say “where people can give better pictures”?

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hi,

I’ll forward this question to a place where people can give better pictures.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Laura Richardson
 

Is that an email list for Windows 10 users similar to this one?

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 6:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hi,

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

What do you mean when you say “where people can give better pictures”?

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hi,

I’ll forward this question to a place where people can give better pictures.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Laura Richardson
 

Thanks for your input …… Are those system settings that have been moved hard to find? …… Do you know which of those system settings have been located somewhere else?

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 6:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

I did it almost two months ago, and have experienced no problems. The only thing is that in the Creators Update, some of the locations of different system settings have been moved from where they were in Original Windows 10.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

What do you mean when you say “where people can give better pictures”?

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hi,

I’ll forward this question to a place where people can give better pictures.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Laura Richardson
 

What do you mean when you say “where people can give better pictures”?

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hi,

I’ll forward this question to a place where people can give better pictures.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I did it almost two months ago, and have experienced no problems. The only thing is that in the Creators Update, some of the locations of different system settings have been moved from where they were in Original Windows 10.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

I’ll forward this question to a place where people can give better pictures.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 
Windows 10 upgrade to Windows Creator?

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

Could anybody please tell me if they have upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows Creator and if so, have you experienced any problems? …… Jaws 18 ……

 

Laura

 

 

 
Re: Mouse over on bank site

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Thanks Sieghard and also Matthew Horspool. The JAWSKEY + CTRL + ENTER is much more elegant than using the JAWS cursor
for mouseover controls.
-Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 2:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse over on bank site

Hi Paul,

There is a good change the correct key stroke would have activate the mouseover and told you where to go. I am not
saying this works always, but it usually does. You press Insert+Control+Enter, Jaws will say something like "Change at
line
23", you then use "j", the jum command, and type in "23" to jump to line 23 which is where the other links start. I am
often surprised how many people don't know about such an important and essential command for web navigation.
Here is an example how this looks/sounds like when I log into my credit card processor's website (I used the speech
history to copy this):

* Reports on mouse over
* Terminal on mouse over - I press Insert+Control+Enter here and then hear the below:
change at line 13
Jump To Line dialog
Enter Line Number (1 to 46): edit - here I entered 13 followed by enter and then when I arrowed down I get the
following
links which a sighted user sees by hovering over the "Terminal" mouseover:
* Link Preauth
* visited Link Capture
* visited Link Purchase
* Link Void
* Link Refund


Best regards,
Sieghard
Shortcut for maximizing windows

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

To maximize a window, hit WINDOWS + UP ARROW.

I wanted to share this shortcut with everyone, as I've seen a couple posts recently in which posters complain that
windows they have maximized have become unmaximized. This is a quick way to ensure your window is maximized.
-Paul
Re: jaws crhashing with windows 10 64 bit pro

Sieghard Weitzel
 

This can also be hardware related.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 2:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws crhashing with windows 10 64 bit pro

 

If it were me, I'd call Microsoft Accessibility: 1-800-936-5900

They could remote in to your computer and figure out what is going on.

Richard

 


On Jul 29, 2017, at 1:10 AM, marvin hunkin <startrekcafe@...> wrote:

Hi, lately at least once or twice a day, windows 10 crashes, got all the latest updates and using jaws 18, latest update. Just had a crash, in file explorer, which is windows explorer, and when I get the not responding message, it just hangs, tried unloading jaws and it just hangs and crashes. Any ideas.

Marvin.

Ps: for my anti virus, I use Avast free and for my malware use superanti spyware and do have windows defender which does a periodic scan.

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: Linked-in with JAWS

Charles Krugman
 

Unfortunately LinkedIn has become more problematic with JAWS. I haven't made any profile changes lately but the design of LinkedIn has changed and there are labeling problems with some of the buttons on the pages. In the past I did get some telephone technical assistance from them but it was a result of an on line survey about LinkedIn that I participated in. They could definitely improve their web accessibility for screen reader users. I primarily use it for participation in professional groups which are quite useful.
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 6:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Linked-in with JAWS

Do any of you use Linked-in with JAWS? I tried changing my profile and education, because it seems to be all messed up, but cannot seem to do it without sighted help. If any of you have tips, please help.


Shirley Tracy
author
OPERATION CODE CHARLIE
now available at major book sellers
Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Brian Vogel
 

Mario,

         Then avail yourself of the Microsoft website.  None of the formal documentation states anything in conflict with what I've offered.  If you have only Windows Defender running on a Windows 7 or earlier system it does not include an antivirus component.

          Two pertinent threads from answers.microsoft.com:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10/microsoft-security-essentials-for-windows-10/16ec3399-e20e-48a0-bf06-bf1208a864a7

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/mse-protect_start/microsoft-security-essentials/5118072d-2a69-4a89-a416-864cf70ddd88

the second of which contains a direct link to one of quietman7's in-depth posts on BleepingComputer about best practices for security and that again reiterates what I've said and the Microsoft site itself says.

Windows Defender, prior to Windows 8, is not an antivirus product and if you don't have either Microsoft Security Essentials or some third-party antivirus or security suite running the conclusion is obvious.
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker
Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Mario
 

when I allowed the MSA tech to take control of the laptop running Vista,
after about 3 hours, he fixed the issue that checking for updates got
stuck. after he finished, I noticed that there was only Windows Defender
installed as a program for protection. I asked him about also installing
Security Essentials, and told me what I previously posted. this guy was
not the guy that answers the calls, he was the technician (the guy at
tier 2). Vista was also included in the OSs I mentioned, but who is
still running Vista these days...

------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, Jul 29, 2017 10:25 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Mario,

What you say is true for Windows 8 and later. Under Windows 7
Windows Defender remains an antimalware scanner only to this day and
Microsoft Security Essentials is the Microsoft antivirus under Windows 7.

See:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/648703/looking-for-a-good-free-anti-virus/page-2#entry4257211

--
*Brian*- Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level
on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


/If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you
furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap
and you won't mind. /~ Irving Becker
Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Brian Vogel
 

Mario,

        What you say is true for Windows 8 and later.  Under Windows 7 Windows Defender remains an antimalware scanner only to this day and Microsoft Security Essentials is the Microsoft antivirus under Windows 7.

         See:  https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/648703/looking-for-a-good-free-anti-virus/page-2#entry4257211

--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker
Re: Problem with newly installed J18

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Thanks big time Kevin, I’m back in the old Outlook saddle again!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with newly installed J18

 

Did you check to turn off virtual ribbon?

Insert F2

Press s for setting center

Type in ribbon

Arrow down to check if virtual ribbon is off

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: July 29, 2017 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem with newly installed J18

 

Good morning.

I’m running w7 and I installed J18.0 and when I open my Outlook 2010, I’ve noticed I don’t have much in the  menu bars/ribbons ETC. When I hit control N, to bring up a new email, and I’m in the message body and then hit the alt key; I only have what JAWS says is  virtual ribbons and then it says:

To move within the virtual ribbons use tab or shift tab or the arrows.

But when I hit any of the arrows, tab and shift tab: Nothing!

 

So I guess I have to change some setting? Can anyone give me some suggestions on where to start?

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy

Florida Council of the Blind

Fundraising Committee Member

 

Home: 239-540-7431

Cell: 239-565-5845

Email: mulrich@...

 
Re: Problem with newly installed J18

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Did you check to turn off virtual ribbon?

Insert F2

Press s for setting center

Type in ribbon

Arrow down to check if virtual ribbon is off

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: July 29, 2017 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem with newly installed J18

 

Good morning.

I’m running w7 and I installed J18.0 and when I open my Outlook 2010, I’ve noticed I don’t have much in the  menu bars/ribbons ETC. When I hit control N, to bring up a new email, and I’m in the message body and then hit the alt key; I only have what JAWS says is  virtual ribbons and then it says:

To move within the virtual ribbons use tab or shift tab or the arrows.

But when I hit any of the arrows, tab and shift tab: Nothing!

 

So I guess I have to change some setting? Can anyone give me some suggestions on where to start?

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy

Florida Council of the Blind

Fundraising Committee Member

 

Home: 239-540-7431

Cell: 239-565-5845

Email: mulrich@...

 
Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Mario
 

some time ago when I was trying to fix my friend's laptop, at one point
the MS help desk tech said that Security Essentials was basicly phased
out and replaced by Windows Defender which is a combination of antivirus
and antimalware. it is also been improved over the years it was being
developed. it should work fine in systems running w7, 8/8.1 and 10.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike Ulrich [mailto:mulrich@centurylink.net]
Sent: Saturday, Jul 29, 2017 6:26 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Thanks much, good info!



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 5:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?



Under Windows 10 and Windows 8 Windows Defender is an antivirus and
antimalware tool with realtime scanning. It is getting antiransomware
and several other capabilities integrated into it with the fall update
this year.

Under Windows 7 Windows Defender was an antimalware scanner and
Microsoft Security Essentials was the antivirus. Both could be used
together.

Microsoft Security Essentials is unnecessary under any version of
Windows later than Windows 7.
Re: two questions

Carol Smith
 

Thank you. I had the box for all users checked. It is now unchecked. That is what was checked when I loaded the program. Since I am the only user, I didn't think it would make any difference. I guess I will find out when I reboot, but this sounds as though it should help.

Carol

On 7/28/2017 1:15 PM, Matthew Horspool wrote:
Hi Carol,
Assuming you're using it from the keyboard, I think the space bar should activate the item under the touch cursor. If that fails try enter.
I'm not completely sure about your second problem. You say that it's set to come up after windows is loaded, but the problem you're describing sounds more like what happens if there are multiple user accounts on the system and JAWS is coming up before it knows what user account to load. In this instance it will use the settings of the last logged in user to use JAWS.
Can you check the following settings in Options/Basics.../Automatically Start JAWS...?
1. Start JAWS at the logon screen - in the scenario you're describing, this should be unchecked.
2. Start JAWS after logon for all users - this should also be unchecked.
3. Start JAWS after logon for this user - this should be set to Always.
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: 28 July 2017 18:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: two questions

Hi. First, I would like to know if there is a way to click on items that are spoken with the touch cursor. Next, my win7 is set for jaws to start after windows is loaded. The voice that comes up is so slow and gravelly that I can hardly tell what it is saying. The only way to fix it is to reload jaws. Is there a setting somewhere that needs to be changed? Thanks.

Carol
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