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Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Mike,
I have Windows 7, and I believe Windows Defender is built into it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 4:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

I tried Malware bytes a while ago, and to me, it didn't seem that accessible.
How accessible and Jaws friendly is it now?

Question #2: Will Windows Defender run with Windows 7?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mcLeod
stinnett
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 4:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?



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from, mack install malware bytes to run in conjunction with defender they
make a good team. you can get malware bytes at http://www.ninite.com, it's a
set it and forget it program.







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Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

I tried Malware bytes a while ago, and to me, it didn't seem that accessible. How accessible and Jaws friendly is it now?

Question #2: Will Windows Defender run with Windows 7?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 4:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?



--
from, mack install malware bytes to run in conjunction with defender they make a good team. you can get malware bytes at http://www.ninite.com, it's a set it and forget it program.


Re: Is there a way to get Favorites from Internet Explorer into Google Chrome?

mcLeod stinnett
 

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from, mack try the import settings with n v d a it works better with chrome than other readers.


Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

mcLeod stinnett
 

--
from, mack install malware bytes to run in conjunction with defender they make a good team. you can get malware bytes at http://www.ninite.com, it's a set it and forget it program.


Re: Web sites issue

 

Chrome is my browser of choice just because it is very fast and except for 2 or 3 quirks the accessibility is great. I've said it many times and now I'll say it just one more since I really think this thread is somewhat exhausted, everybody should have Chrome and/or Firefox installed in addition to IE.
Now use Chrome and/or Firefox exclusively for a while to really see if you run into situations where they don't do what you want and then decide which one should be your default browser and which should be in second and third place. You may find that Chrome and IE is the perfect combination in which case you can get rid of Firefox again, but it is not like it takes up a lot of space so it won't hurt to have all three installed.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I've been using Chrome regularly for the past three months with JAWS. As someone who spent at least 12 years working on IE, it will always hold a special place for me but Chrome and accessibility and screen reader support have come a long way. And I know more than over the last three months of course. It, Chrome, is worth exploring for sureas isFirefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Dave,
I just installed Chrome to check it out and it does seem very useable now on Windows 10 with Jaws 18.
At least, for quick searches, which is all I have done thus far.

HTH,
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Sieghard,

I must have been asleep for a while, because when I last dozed off, Google Chrome was nearly completely inaccessible. Have things improved?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:51
Subject: Re: Web sites issue


As I said, the simple solution is to install Google Chrome, using IE exclusively often is just not enough anymore and will continue to be more and more problematic.
You have to look at this like you look at apps on iOS, most of us use several map/GPS apps like Apple Maps and/or Google Maps along with Blindsquare, Seeing Eye GPS or Nearby Explorer. Most of us use various apps for doing OCR and identifying/recognizing objects, money, barcodes etc.
Using two browsers on the PC is no different, try Chrome and then use it either as your primary or secondary browser along with IE. For basic browsing Chrome is not a steep learning curve, all quick nav keys work just the same as in IE as these are Jaws functions and they are the same in all browsers.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I'm not glad you're having the same problem but I'm glad it's not just me.
This just started a few days ago but it doesn't happen every time ......
Frustrating ......

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I have the same complaint, and it is of recent onset.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Web sites issue

Hello,



During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web site for a
specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying something about
"the security of this site cannot be verified". When this happens I cannot
get it to go away; when I press alt + f4 or try to go back to the previous
page Jaws just keeps repeating this message. This morning it happened again

and I kept pressing alt + f4 about six or seven times and finally it got me
off the internet.



Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not. The web sites I'm speaking of are
ones that I've used regularly for a long time without any problems .. This
does not happen every time and does not happen on all web sites.



One of the web sites is accuweather.com .. I go to this site, read the three

day local forecast, and then click on extended forecast".



Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does happen on some
other web sites. I'm using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11. Does anybody
have any thoughts on why this is happening? Any suggestions are greatly
appreciated.



Laura


Re: Web sites issue

Kelly <kelly@...>
 

I've been using Chrome regularly for the past three months with JAWS. As
someone who spent at least 12 years working on IE, it will always hold a
special place for me but Chrome and accessibility and screen reader support
have come a long way. And I know more than over the last three months of
course. It, Chrome, is worth exploring for sureas isFirefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Dave,
I just installed Chrome to check it out and it does seem very useable now on
Windows 10 with Jaws 18.
At least, for quick searches, which is all I have done thus far.

HTH,
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Sieghard,

I must have been asleep for a while, because when I last dozed off, Google
Chrome was nearly completely inaccessible. Have things improved?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:51
Subject: Re: Web sites issue


As I said, the simple solution is to install Google Chrome, using IE
exclusively often is just not enough anymore and will continue to be more
and more problematic.
You have to look at this like you look at apps on iOS, most of us use
several map/GPS apps like Apple Maps and/or Google Maps along with
Blindsquare, Seeing Eye GPS or Nearby Explorer. Most of us use various apps
for doing OCR and identifying/recognizing objects, money, barcodes etc.
Using two browsers on the PC is no different, try Chrome and then use it
either as your primary or secondary browser along with IE. For basic
browsing Chrome is not a steep learning curve, all quick nav keys work just
the same as in IE as these are Jaws functions and they are the same in all
browsers.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I'm not glad you're having the same problem but I'm glad it's not just me.
This just started a few days ago but it doesn't happen every time ......
Frustrating ......

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I have the same complaint, and it is of recent onset.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Web sites issue

Hello,



During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web site for a
specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying something about
"the security of this site cannot be verified". When this happens I cannot
get it to go away; when I press alt + f4 or try to go back to the previous
page Jaws just keeps repeating this message. This morning it happened again

and I kept pressing alt + f4 about six or seven times and finally it got me
off the internet.



Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not. The web sites I'm speaking of are
ones that I've used regularly for a long time without any problems .. This
does not happen every time and does not happen on all web sites.



One of the web sites is accuweather.com .. I go to this site, read the three

day local forecast, and then click on extended forecast".



Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does happen on some
other web sites. I'm using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11. Does anybody
have any thoughts on why this is happening? Any suggestions are greatly
appreciated.



Laura


Re: u pux host

 

Laura,

          There is a lot of information out there about unpuxhost, see:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unpuxhost&t=hu&atb=v33-7__&ia=web

          None of it is particularly clear about its actual purpose but it is something from Microsoft and it's widely agreed it's safe, but not essential.  I stopped reading after finding the same basic information in multiple sources and none that looked any more promising with details.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Web sites issue

Richard Turner
 

Dave,
I just installed Chrome to check it out and it does seem very useable now on Windows 10 with Jaws 18.
At least, for quick searches, which is all I have done thus far.

HTH,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Sieghard,

I must have been asleep for a while, because when I last dozed off, Google
Chrome was nearly completely inaccessible. Have things improved?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:51
Subject: Re: Web sites issue


As I said, the simple solution is to install Google Chrome, using IE
exclusively often is just not enough anymore and will continue to be more
and more problematic.
You have to look at this like you look at apps on iOS, most of us use
several map/GPS apps like Apple Maps and/or Google Maps along with
Blindsquare, Seeing Eye GPS or Nearby Explorer. Most of us use various apps
for doing OCR and identifying/recognizing objects, money, barcodes etc.
Using two browsers on the PC is no different, try Chrome and then use it
either as your primary or secondary browser along with IE. For basic
browsing Chrome is not a steep learning curve, all quick nav keys work just
the same as in IE as these are Jaws functions and they are the same in all
browsers.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I'm not glad you're having the same problem but I'm glad it's not just me.
This just started a few days ago but it doesn't happen every time ......
Frustrating ......

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I have the same complaint, and it is of recent onset.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Web sites issue

Hello,



During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web site for a
specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying something about
"the security of this site cannot be verified". When this happens I cannot
get it to go away; when I press alt + f4 or try to go back to the previous
page Jaws just keeps repeating this message. This morning it happened again
and I kept pressing alt + f4 about six or seven times and finally it got me
off the internet.



Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not. The web sites I'm speaking of are
ones that I've used regularly for a long time without any problems .. This
does not happen every time and does not happen on all web sites.



One of the web sites is accuweather.com .. I go to this site, read the three
day local forecast, and then click on extended forecast".



Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does happen on some
other web sites. I'm using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11. Does anybody
have any thoughts on why this is happening? Any suggestions are greatly
appreciated.



Laura


Re: Web sites issue

Dave...
 

Sieghard,

I must have been asleep for a while, because when I last dozed off, Google
Chrome was nearly completely inaccessible. Have things improved?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:51
Subject: Re: Web sites issue


As I said, the simple solution is to install Google Chrome, using IE
exclusively often is just not enough anymore and will continue to be more
and more problematic.
You have to look at this like you look at apps on iOS, most of us use
several map/GPS apps like Apple Maps and/or Google Maps along with
Blindsquare, Seeing Eye GPS or Nearby Explorer. Most of us use various apps
for doing OCR and identifying/recognizing objects, money, barcodes etc.
Using two browsers on the PC is no different, try Chrome and then use it
either as your primary or secondary browser along with IE. For basic
browsing Chrome is not a steep learning curve, all quick nav keys work just
the same as in IE as these are Jaws functions and they are the same in all
browsers.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I'm not glad you're having the same problem but I'm glad it's not just me.
This just started a few days ago but it doesn't happen every time ......
Frustrating ......

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I have the same complaint, and it is of recent onset.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura
Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Web sites issue

Hello,



During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web site for a
specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying something about
"the security of this site cannot be verified". When this happens I cannot
get it to go away; when I press alt + f4 or try to go back to the previous
page Jaws just keeps repeating this message. This morning it happened again
and I kept pressing alt + f4 about six or seven times and finally it got me
off the internet.



Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not. The web sites I'm speaking of are
ones that I've used regularly for a long time without any problems .. This
does not happen every time and does not happen on all web sites.



One of the web sites is accuweather.com .. I go to this site, read the three
day local forecast, and then click on extended forecast".



Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does happen on some
other web sites. I'm using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11. Does anybody
have any thoughts on why this is happening? Any suggestions are greatly
appreciated.



Laura


Re: u pux host

Laura Richardson
 

It’s “unpux host”, not “u pux host” …… Sorry for this mistake …… Does anybody know what “unpux host” is and what it does?

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: u pux host

 

Hello,

 

In my task manager it says one of the programs is “u pux host” (not sure of that spelling) …… This was not there when I was in the task manager about a month ago.  I have never heard of this and have no clue what it is or where it came from …… Does anybody know what this is?

 

Laura

 

 


Re: Web sites issue

James Malone
 

Just as long as you open defender, you can select either quick scan or full by arrowing to the full radio button. There’s only two choices, and I’ve known in the pass that if you don’t have any threats, Jaws will only land you on the close button. However, if threats are found, you will have choices on what to do with the infected item.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

 

Actually, I don’t know how to run a full scan or any other scan for that matter …… As far as the Malware scan I ran, I had great step by step instructions from a very good friend on how to start it and then I arranged for sighted help to stop by about an hour later and tell me what was on the screen …… Looks like I’ll be adding this to the list of things I need to learn ……

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

 

Defender is always running but it is a good idea to do a full scan once in a while.
It sounds like you know how so I would do a full scan now.
On 7/27/2017 5:07 AM, Mike Ulrich wrote:

Laura,

BTW: you should only have one anti virus program that stays running. If you have more than that, it’ll cause all kinds of problems.

 

I don’t know much about Windows Defender, as I run the old Microsoft Security Essentials. But it sounds like you might be virus and malware clear.

 

I’ll have to pass your question off to others on this list.

Sorry I couldn’t help.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

 

I ran a Malware scan a couple of weeks ago …… nothing found at that time.  Is Windows defender something I need to run a scan to check for this or does it automatically do this for me?  I don’t have any other virus protection software on this system.

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 6:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

 

Hi Laura, have you ran a scan lately?

Almost sounds like you might of picked up either a virus or some malware?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Web sites issue

 

Hello,

 

During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web site for a specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying something about “the security of this site cannot be verified”.  When this happens I cannot get it to go away; when I press alt + f4 or try to go back to the previous page Jaws just keeps repeating this message.  This morning it happened again and I kept pressing alt + f4 about six or seven times and finally it got me off the internet.

 

Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not.  The web sites I’m speaking of are ones that I’ve used regularly for a long time without any problems …… This does not happen every time and does not happen on all web sites.

 

One of the web sites is accuweather.com …… I go to this site, read the three day local forecast, and then click on extended forecast”.

 

Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does happen on some other web sites.  I’m using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11.  Does anybody have any thoughts on why this is happening?  Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Laura

 

 

 

 


Re: Web sites issue

Chris
 

                Have you tried another browser to see if it still does it?

 

 


Re: Mouse over on bank site

Richard Turner
 

Also being new to Jaws, I learned that a lot of things on web sites you have to tab to with Jaws before you can act on it. Is this true with MouseOver items? I don't know if tabbing causes Jaws to stop on these.
Thanks,
Richard

On Jul 27, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Which browser do you use?
Try and use the Jaws cursor and right click on the item.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Mouse over on bank site

Hi guys, Another Bank site issue.
This site has these mouse over things.
The command to activate one of these is insert control enter.
It is not working.
What is
Thanks
Shannonthe trick to using these things?







Re: Mouse over on bank site

 

Which browser do you use?
Try and use the Jaws cursor and right click on the item.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Mouse over on bank site

Hi guys, Another Bank site issue.
This site has these mouse over things.
The command to activate one of these is insert control enter.
It is not working.
What is
Thanks
Shannonthe trick to using these things?


u pux host

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

In my task manager it says one of the programs is “u pux host” (not sure of that spelling) …… This was not there when I was in the task manager about a month ago.  I have never heard of this and have no clue what it is or where it came from …… Does anybody know what this is?

 

Laura

 

 


Re: Mouse over on bank site

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Sometimes banks just arent accessible. They blame it on security but that is not the problem...

On 7/27/2017 12:21 PM, Shannon wrote:
Hi guys, Another Bank site issue.
This site has these mouse over things.
The command to activate one of these is insert control enter.
It is not working.
What is
Thanks
Shannonthe trick to using these things?



Re: Web sites issue

Laura Richardson
 

Thank you ......

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Anyway here is some help I was trying to give and it ended up at the bottom of the message so I am posting it again:

Here is how to run windows defender:

click start then type defender click on it.Tab once then arrow down to virus and threat protection. Click on it then tab until you hear advanced scan.
Click on it. then tab until you hear full scan radio button checked. If this is not selected select it and then tab until you hear scan now button click on it.

after a while the results will appear and you can view them with the Jaws or touch cursor...

On 7/27/2017 12:16 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Hmm... I did say there were excettions and I value them very much...
Comunism? Straw man arguement...
You dont think business is not driven by the bottom line?
On 7/27/2017 12:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
If that is so why did Apple decide to put Voiceover into everything
they make? I know it's maybe not entirely out of the goodness of
their hearts, but I do also think that large companies like Apple,
Google, Microsoft and so on do have a social/moral conscience and
while we may wish it might be larger, it is there. Also, to put it
all on the shoulders of "corporate America" is I think not quite
correct, look at what communism achieved.
I do agree that as our population ages accessibility in all forms
will become more and more important and get more and more attention.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I agree with you but this is the way are society has chosen to or
should I say not chosen to deal with minorities. If you dont affect
the bottom line you dont matter...
Welcome to corporate America.
But fortunately (I know this sounds horrible) Some of the people
running the software world are starting to lose sight due to old age
and this is a big part of what we are seeing in the field but it
still isn't enough.
As all the programmers and developers start getting old things will
change much faster than they have so far.
It is either personal interest or profits that rule this industry.

I do want to say that of course there are people who really just care
but they aren't in charge and do what they can and I appreciate them
very much! :) On 7/27/2017 10:32 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I don't know, but I am becoming increasingly resolved not to
struggle with stuff. It is one thing to learn something new or make
a change - but a struggle, why?

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Me too, I thought firefox/Mozilla sucked. I guess in order to use
Firefox/Mozilla you have to do a bit of accessibility set up so
it'll work with JAWS?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Same here. Well, I tried Fire Fox, did not like it.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

The only browser I’ve ever used is IE ……



Laura





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue



It may be just IE 11.

Have you tried Mozilla FireFox?

I use it exclusively these days. IE ends up doing too many odd
things along with with eating CPU resources.

Richard




On Jul 27, 2017, at 5:23 AM, Laura Richardson <laurakr65@gmail.com
<mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thank’s for responding …… I hope others will chime in with what
I might do to solve this issue.



Laura





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Web sites issue



Laura,

BTW: you should only have one anti virus program that stays
running. If you have more than that, it’ll cause all kinds of problems.



I don’t know much about Windows Defender, as I run the old
Microsoft Security Essentials. But it sounds like you might be virus
and malware clear.



I’ll have to pass your question off to others on this list.

Sorry I couldn’t help.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Web sites issue



I ran a Malware scan a couple of weeks ago …… nothing found at
that time. Is Windows defender something I need to run a scan to
check for this or does it automatically do this for me? I don’t
have any other virus protection software on this system.



Laura





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 6:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Web sites issue



Hi Laura, have you ran a scan lately?

Almost sounds like you might of picked up either a virus or some
malware?



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Web sites issue



Hello,



During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web site
for a specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying
something about “the security of this site cannot be verified”.
When this happens I cannot get it to go away; when I press alt + f4
or try to go back to the previous page Jaws just keeps repeating
this message. This morning it happened again and I kept pressing
alt + f4 about six or seven times and finally it got me off the
internet.



Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not. The web sites I’m
speaking of are ones that I’ve used regularly for a long time
without any problems …… This does not happen every time and does not
happen on all web sites.



One of the web sites is accuweather.com <http://accuweather.com>
…… I go to this site, read the three day local forecast, and then
click on extended forecast”.



Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does happen
on some other web sites. I’m using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11.
Does anybody have any thoughts on why this is happening? Any
suggestions are greatly appreciated.



Laura

























Re: Web sites issue

Laura Richardson
 

Thank you .. I forgot I could close a program through task manager .. This
information is very helpful to me if I come across the issue again of not
being able to close a program.

About a month or so ago I wasn't able to close Word or Outlook (don't
remember for sure which one) .. I asked for help on this list and was given
very easy to understand instructions on how to close a program through task
manager in Windows 10. Here are the instructions for this if you ever go to
Windows 10; go to task manager (control + shift + escape), arrow down to the
program you want to select and press tab to go through your choices.

Thanks again,
Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Hi,

This may sound over-simplified, but if you can not close IE11 with alt-f4,
the simplest way to do it is to close it from within the task manager. I am
running windows 7 so can not tell you how to do it if you are running
windows 10, but here is what I do.

press control-shift-escape.
Press shift-tab once and left or right arrow until it says processes tab tab
once and you are in the running files tasks list once you do this step once,
task manager will stay in this setting until you change it

type the letter i and if it does not land on iexplorer, arrow down until it
does press alt-e to end the program and answer yes or OK

This will close out the program. Press the escape and the task manager will
close.

This may seem like a lot of steps if you haven't done anything like this
before, but it is easy and a small task worth remembering as it can come in
handy quite often.

Carol

On 7/27/2017 1:54 PM, Laura Richardson wrote:
I'm not glad you're having the same problem but I'm glad it's not just me.
This just started a few days ago but it doesn't happen every time ......
Frustrating ......

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I have the same complaint, and it is of recent onset.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Web sites issue

Hello,



During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web site for a
specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying something
about "the security of this site cannot be verified". When this
happens I cannot get it to go away; when I press alt + f4 or try to go
back to the previous page Jaws just keeps repeating this message.
This morning it happened again and I kept pressing alt + f4 about six
or seven times and finally it got me off the internet.



Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not. The web sites I'm speaking
of are ones that I've used regularly for a long time without any
problems .. This does not happen every time and does not happen on all web
sites.



One of the web sites is accuweather.com .. I go to this site, read the
three day local forecast, and then click on extended forecast".



Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does happen on
some other web sites. I'm using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11. Does
anybody have any thoughts on why this is happening? Any suggestions
are greatly appreciated.



Laura

















Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

George Gray
 

Very good. But, what about MalWare, etc.?

I seem to attract such.

Any suggestions as to the easiest to use with JAWS?

Thanks.

On 7/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
I also highly recommend to simply use Windows Defender which is already on
your PC and as Randy says it works.
It won't shut off your computer, but to me that is not something I would
even want it to do.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Antiviral Programs Now Work Best with JAWS?

Windows Defender. Works well does not get over active with blocking real
programs and well, I dont get virus's so...
On 7/26/2017 9:37 PM, Rick Miller wrote:
Dear Listers:

I have decided I don't like AVG anymore, as AVG now has notices totally
graphical and also because AVG is too aggressive with what I have on my
computer. My payment period with AVG expires September 1, so before then I
want to start using a new antiviral software, but I want to find one that
works best with JAWS. So that is why I am turning to you all-to find out
which antivirus software works best with JAWS. I will want a program which,
after it is through scanning, will automatically shut my computer off.
That's the one thing I have liked about AVG, but now the only thing.

I know JAWS used to not work well with Norton antivirus software. Is that
still true?

Sincerely,

Rick Miller



Rick Miller




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Re: Web sites issue

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Well, it will especially for partially sighted people, due to the vast increase in age-related vision loss, which is not as likely to advance to total blindness.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

If that is so why did Apple decide to put Voiceover into everything they make? I know it's maybe not entirely out of the goodness of their hearts, but I do also think that large companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft and so on do have a social/moral conscience and while we may wish it might be larger, it is there. Also, to put it all on the shoulders of "corporate America" is I think not quite correct, look at what communism achieved.
I do agree that as our population ages accessibility in all forms will become more and more important and get more and more attention.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

I agree with you but this is the way are society has chosen to or should I say not chosen to deal with minorities. If you dont affect the bottom line you dont matter...
Welcome to corporate America.
But fortunately (I know this sounds horrible) Some of the people running the software world are starting to lose sight due to old age and this is a big part of what we are seeing in the field but it still isn't enough.
As all the programmers and developers start getting old things will change much faster than they have so far.
It is either personal interest or profits that rule this industry.

I do want to say that of course there are people who really just care but they aren't in charge and do what they can and I appreciate them very much! :) On 7/27/2017 10:32 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I don't know, but I am becoming increasingly resolved not to struggle with stuff. It is one thing to learn something new or make a change - but a struggle, why?

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Me too, I thought firefox/Mozilla sucked. I guess in order to use Firefox/Mozilla you have to do a bit of accessibility set up so it'll work with JAWS?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

Same here. Well, I tried Fire Fox, did not like it.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue

The only browser I’ve ever used is IE ……



Laura





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web sites issue



It may be just IE 11.

Have you tried Mozilla FireFox?

I use it exclusively these days. IE ends up doing too many odd things along with with eating CPU resources.

Richard




On Jul 27, 2017, at 5:23 AM, Laura Richardson <laurakr65@gmail.com <mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thank’s for responding …… I hope others will chime in with what I might do to solve this issue.



Laura





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Web sites issue



Laura,

BTW: you should only have one anti virus program that stays running. If you have more than that, it’ll cause all kinds of problems.



I don’t know much about Windows Defender, as I run the old Microsoft Security Essentials. But it sounds like you might be virus and malware clear.



I’ll have to pass your question off to others on this list.

Sorry I couldn’t help.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Web sites issue



I ran a Malware scan a couple of weeks ago …… nothing found at that time. Is Windows defender something I need to run a scan to check for this or does it automatically do this for me? I don’t have any other virus protection software on this system.



Laura





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 6:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Web sites issue



Hi Laura, have you ran a scan lately?

Almost sounds like you might of picked up either a virus or some malware?



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Web sites issue



Hello,



During the past few days, when I enter on a link from a web site for a specific page, sometimes I get a fairly long message saying something about “the security of this site cannot be verified”. When this happens I cannot get it to go away; when I press alt + f4 or try to go back to the previous page Jaws just keeps repeating this message. This morning it happened again and I kept pressing alt + f4 about six or seven times and finally it got me off the internet.



Sometimes this occurs and sometimes not. The web sites I’m speaking of are ones that I’ve used regularly for a long time without any problems …… This does not happen every time and does not happen on all web sites.



One of the web sites is accuweather.com <http://accuweather.com> …… I go to this site, read the three day local forecast, and then click on extended forecast”.



Again, this problem does not occur every time and it does happen on some other web sites. I’m using Jaws 18, Windows 10, and IE 11. Does anybody have any thoughts on why this is happening? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.



Laura