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Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Dave Durber
 

Hello Sieghard:
 
My serieal number is a few numbers later than yours.
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 11:38 PM
Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules

 

Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause. 

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started. 

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

 


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Re: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Did you ever try Cash manager? It is aimed at the European market and has VAT and all that.

On 7/26/2017 8:35 AM, Kerry Fielding wrote:

Hi Greg.


I can't say as I've ever found one that works with JAWS very well but Quickbooks is definitely accessible and works on your iDevice.  I'm self-employed and use their quickbooks self employed iPhone app.  The desktop site is ok but I don't find it half asaccessible.  I've posted the link to the UK quickbooks site but if you need a different country such as the US for example, it is available.


https://www.quickbooks.co.uk/accounting-software/features/payroll-software/


Kerry


On 26/07/2017 15:57, Greg Nickel wrote:

Can anyone in the forum lend some advice on the most user friendly, fully accessible bookkeeping software that has payroll function?

 

Many thanks.

Greg





Re: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Arent they the ones who rated Narrator as the best screen reader  Putting NVDA second and saying Jaws was the worst screen reader ever?
I wouldnt go by there suggestion...

On 7/26/2017 8:31 AM, HH. Smith Jr. wrote:

Greg,

 

My Blind spot has made QuickBooks the app of choice.

MyBlindSpot.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

 

Can anyone in the forum lend some advice on the most user friendly, fully accessible bookkeeping software that has payroll function?

 

Many thanks.

Greg

 


Re: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Cash Manager by Aclaim software. I am not sure about payroll function though. You can download a demo version from there website. It is very jaws friendly.

On 7/26/2017 7:57 AM, Greg Nickel wrote:

Can anyone in the forum lend some advice on the most user friendly, fully accessible bookkeeping software that has payroll function?

 

Many thanks.

Greg




Re: windows 10 issues

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

First off disable Avast anti virus. See what happens after a restart and a couple of days...
If it still crashes we can try something else.

On 7/26/2017 3:47 AM, marvin hunkin wrote:

Hi. Using jaws for windows a screen reader from http://www.freedomscientific.com and using windows 10 64 bit pro on a Toshiba satellite pro c-50-a, and a programming student and have a lot of apps, and don't want to have to rebuild all of them again. At least once a day or maybe more then that windows crhashes, or I get file explorer not responding or visual studio not responding, and so then I lose speech, and then windows crashes. So, have got the latest windows updates, latest windows 10 drivers for my Toshiba. Have got c cleaner and have it moniterring and have Avast anti virus free, and now some times on the system tray lose the Avast and c cleaner icon, and then on my internet connection, and with my republic http://www.myrepublic.com.au in Australia says the windows communication is turned off and have to go in and trouble shoot and fix it at least once or twice a day. Don't want to have to do a reset and is there a program, that will save all my compiled and apps desktop, windows universal. And also is there any good accessible windows back up software, free, and does macreiner and eona work with jaws. Any help please. This is frustrating and then have to click on the recovered files in visual studio

2017 community. Any ideas. Thanks.

Just frustrating and then yesterday had to do a windows update trouble shooting, the windows update feature was disabled and did get one update, which was windows defender. Any help.

 

Thanks .

 

Marvin from Australia.


Re: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

Brian Buhrow
 

hello. The good folks at www.myblindspot.com have worked to make
Quickbooks fully accessible. In addition, they've created a number of
tutorials to help you learn how to use the software nonvisually.
Quickbooks is a fully featured accounting package that can do inventory,
payroll, account management, etc. The gentleman who can tell you all about
it is Richard Kelly. You can reach him at his firstname at
myblindspot.com.
-thanks
-Brian

Re: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

Kerry Fielding <littlemisslovely1973@...>
 

Hi Greg.


I can't say as I've ever found one that works with JAWS very well but Quickbooks is definitely accessible and works on your iDevice.  I'm self-employed and use their quickbooks self employed iPhone app.  The desktop site is ok but I don't find it half asaccessible.  I've posted the link to the UK quickbooks site but if you need a different country such as the US for example, it is available.


https://www.quickbooks.co.uk/accounting-software/features/payroll-software/


Kerry


On 26/07/2017 15:57, Greg Nickel wrote:

Can anyone in the forum lend some advice on the most user friendly, fully accessible bookkeeping software that has payroll function?

 

Many thanks.

Greg




Re: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

I understand a third party has developed a set of JAWS scripts to make QuickBooks accessible, but I have not personally used them. As I understand it, the scripts sell for about $200.

   -Paul

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

 

Can anyone in the forum lend some advice on the most user friendly, fully accessible bookkeeping software that has payroll function?

 

Many thanks.

Greg

 

Re: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Greg,

 

My Blind spot has made QuickBooks the app of choice.

MyBlindSpot.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

 

Can anyone in the forum lend some advice on the most user friendly, fully accessible bookkeeping software that has payroll function?

 

Many thanks.

Greg

 

JAWS and bookkeeping and payroll software

Greg Nickel
 

Can anyone in the forum lend some advice on the most user friendly, fully accessible bookkeeping software that has payroll function?

 

Many thanks.

Greg



Re: Jaws 18 Excell 2016 not read the Column Titles.

Carol Smith
 

I am glad you got it working.  I had no difficulty, but I am running windows 7 and excel 2007. 


On 7/26/2017 9:22 AM, Jonas Voll wrote:

I tried this did not work!

But., th I got it working!

 

 

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Envision, Inc.
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Wichita, KS 67213
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 Excell 2016 not read the Column Titles.

 

Hi,

Place your jaws cursor in the row with the headings.
press jawskey plus control plus alt plus the letter c all at one time.
press enter

If you need row headings spoken, replace the c with an r

Carol

On 7/25/2017 2:25 PM, Jonas Voll wrote:

Hey guys I am using Excell 2016, I can not get it to read the Column Titles.

I enterd ColumnTitle in the first one the sheet uses some micros, but I can’t get it to read.

Any one got any suggesting’s?

 

Jonas Voll
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Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

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Re: overlay windows 0

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

On my machine, Jaws 18, Windows 10, Office 365, it pops up at start up, announces itself, and that is about it. I find no interference after that.

Cheers

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of DAN REID
Sent: July 25, 2017 8:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: overlay windows 0

 

I've been told that the only way Jaws can read in this situation is if the server that runs this program also has Jaws installed and the two link.

I've faced this issue at work with two other business partners for Workforce and Taleo hiring software and they weren't willing to install Jaws on their systems in fear of what it may do to their servers functionality

since they are shared systems.

I share your frustration.

The cursors seem to not move anywhere on the screen no matter how you move them.

Sorry to share bad news,

Dan Reid

..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:37 PM

Subject: Re: overlay windows 0

 

Fortunatly I dont have this issue. :) Does it interfere with your ability to use your PC?
On 7/25/2017 6:53 PM, marvin kotler wrote:

Good evening list; overlay windows 0 is not a jaws issue as far as I can tell.  I have also run across it with nvda.  I called Microsoft disability desk regarding this and was told nothing could be done about it; more or less; running jaws 18 and windows 10, latest editions of both.

Marv

 

Re: Jaws 18 Excell 2016 not read the Column Titles.

Jonas Voll
 

I tried this did not work!

But., th I got it working!

 

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 Excell 2016 not read the Column Titles.

 

Hi,

Place your jaws cursor in the row with the headings.
press jawskey plus control plus alt plus the letter c all at one time.
press enter

If you need row headings spoken, replace the c with an r

Carol

On 7/25/2017 2:25 PM, Jonas Voll wrote:

Hey guys I am using Excell 2016, I can not get it to read the Column Titles.

I enterd ColumnTitle in the first one the sheet uses some micros, but I can’t get it to read.

Any one got any suggesting’s?

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

 

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Re: windows 10 issues

Chris
 

Are you saying that you have both avast and defender running at the same time here?

 

You should only have only one anti virus running at any one time not both togethernfor a start

 

 

 

windows 10 issues

marvin hunkin <startrekcafe@...>
 

Hi. Using jaws for windows a screen reader from http://www.freedomscientific.com and using windows 10 64 bit pro on a Toshiba satellite pro c-50-a, and a programming student and have a lot of apps, and don't want to have to rebuild all of them again. At least once a day or maybe more then that windows crhashes, or I get file explorer not responding or visual studio not responding, and so then I lose speech, and then windows crashes. So, have got the latest windows updates, latest windows 10 drivers for my Toshiba. Have got c cleaner and have it moniterring and have Avast anti virus free, and now some times on the system tray lose the Avast and c cleaner icon, and then on my internet connection, and with my republic http://www.myrepublic.com.au in Australia says the windows communication is turned off and have to go in and trouble shoot and fix it at least once or twice a day. Don't want to have to do a reset and is there a program, that will save all my compiled and apps desktop, windows universal. And also is there any good accessible windows back up software, free, and does macreiner and eona work with jaws. Any help please. This is frustrating and then have to click on the recovered files in visual studio

2017 community. Any ideas. Thanks.

Just frustrating and then yesterday had to do a windows update trouble shooting, the windows update feature was disabled and did get one update, which was windows defender. Any help.

 

Thanks .

 

Marvin from Australia.

Re: overlay windows 0

DAN REID
 

I've been told that the only way Jaws can read in this situation is if the server that runs this program also has Jaws installed and the two link.
I've faced this issue at work with two other business partners for Workforce and Taleo hiring software and they weren't willing to install Jaws on their systems in fear of what it may do to their servers functionality
since they are shared systems.
I share your frustration.
The cursors seem to not move anywhere on the screen no matter how you move them.
Sorry to share bad news,
Dan Reid
..

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: overlay windows 0

Fortunatly I dont have this issue. :) Does it interfere with your ability to use your PC?
On 7/25/2017 6:53 PM, marvin kotler wrote:
Good evening list; overlay windows 0 is not a jaws issue as far as I can tell.  I have also run across it with nvda.  I called Microsoft disability desk regarding this and was told nothing could be done about it; more or less; running jaws 18 and windows 10, latest editions of both.
Marv


Re: overlay windows 0

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Fortunatly I dont have this issue. :) Does it interfere with your ability to use your PC?

On 7/25/2017 6:53 PM, marvin kotler wrote:
Good evening list; overlay windows 0 is not a jaws issue as far as I can tell.  I have also run across it with nvda.  I called Microsoft disability desk regarding this and was told nothing could be done about it; more or less; running jaws 18 and windows 10, latest editions of both.
Marv


overlay windows 0

marvin kotler
 

Good evening list; overlay windows 0 is not a jaws issue as far as I can tell.  I have also run across it with nvda.  I called Microsoft disability desk regarding this and was told nothing could be done about it; more or less; running jaws 18 and windows 10, latest editions of both.
Marv

Re: Question about J 18.0

Tom Behler
 

Mike:

 

I use the latest build of Jaws 18 (version 18.0.4104) with Windows 7 here, and have had no major issues.

 

So, I’d say go ahead and install Jaws 18 on your Windows 7 machine, and continue to enjoy using Windows 7 until you feel the need to upgrade to Windows 10.

 

Like you, I realize that someday I’ll need to update to Windows 10, but I’m reluctant to do this right now because windows 7 works so well for he at this time.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about J 18.0

 

Howdy all,

I recently purchased a copy of J 18.0 at the NFB National Convention in Orlando Florida.

 

I’m currently running Windows 7, IE 11.0 with J 16.0.

My question, do you think J 18.0 will be OK with running with W 7?

 

I know I should probably update up to Windows 10, but I guess you could say I’m a bit scared to. I’ve heard a few scary stories about people trying to deal with J 18.0 with W 10?

 

So perhaps I should just download my new version of J 18.0, but don’t install it yet? Or do you think I can install it on my W 7?

 

Please let me know your thoughts.

 

 

Thanks much!......Mike

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy

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Fundraising Committee Member

 

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Cell: 239-565-5845

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Re: Chrome questions

Don H
 

Chrome works well with NVDA.

On 7/25/2017 6:46 PM, Sandra Streeter wrote:
To prime the pump a bit more—I know that, years ago, there were complaints about Chrome not meshing well with JAWS, and I wondered if most of the bugs have since been ironed out. Please continue to send comments—I’m interested.
Sandra
One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:@Sieghard>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:31 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Chrome questions
I know I'm not David and I am posting this to the list since others might want to hear it too.
Chrome works very well with Jaws for the most part. It is much faster than IE and I prefer it over Firefox for every-day use.
One thing which does not work well with Crhome is to create PDF documents from web pages using the print function and virtual PDF printers such as the "Microsoft Print to PDF" printer which is available in Windows 10 or in Windows 7 I use Nuance Power PDF. If you use one of these to create a PPDF from IE oir Firefox the resulting PDF is accessible and Jaws can read it. If you do the same thing from Chrome the PDF is an image and only accessible by using Convenient OCR.
The other issue I found is that for me on a few websites Chrome does not read some content which IE and Firefox reads. For example, if I log into my Mastercard account and look at my transaction history, Chrome will read the column headings like transaction date, posting date, description and the amount, but it then skips right over the actual transactions which visually are on the screen and which IE and Firefox has no problems reading and which it does so beautrifully using table navigation commands..
Pretty much everything else Chrome does very nicely and, as I said, very quickly and a few websites definitely work much better with Chrome than they do with IE.
I think that currently browsers are like a hammer or a saw for a carpenter, you have a few different ones in your toolbox and while you may have a favourite there are situations where another one is better.
Since IE is on all Windows computers anyways you just have to install Chrome and, if you want, Firefox, try them out and set whichever one you like best as your default and then use the others as needed. They won't interfere with each other so it definitely doesn't hurt to have them available.
If you use Windows 10 you also have Edge on your computer and if you are a Jaws user you will be able to try it out fairly soon, if you also use NVDA you can already use it although I think for most of us Chrome or IE is still much more familiar.
Regards,
Sieghard
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sandra Streeter
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:08 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Chrome questions
David, could you email me off-list and describe your experiences with Chrome? I’m on I.E., Win.7, now, and wonder how far Chrome has come for screen-reader users; every so often, I see the little message about switching, but don’t know enough about the pros/cons. Thanks!
Sandra
One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)