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Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

David Moore
 

Hi Carolyn!

I am on that Optacon list! I hope it works out that he can get the prototype of what he is trying to make. With today’s technology, the Optacon could fit in one hand, have many more features, and be very quiet compared to the original one! I never heard of this other device either LOL!

David Moore

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

That stereo toner thing sounds truly complicated. I was briefly trained on the Optacon at the school for the blind in Marburg, Germany, but I did not have much of a nack for it and found it so slow to be useless. This may of course have to do with the fact that only a few years before then (in 1984) I blew myself up with a home-built pipe bomb and lost 2 fingers on each hand (and of course my sight), all other fingers were seriously injured, saved only because of the skill of one of the best hand surgeons in Germany at that time  and were not as fully functional as they ultimately became.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Wow, I’ve never heard of this device!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Angel
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 11:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

There was a companion device to the Opticon called the Stereo-toner.  It worked on the same principle as did the Opticon.  excepting it translated the printed text in to tones.  Which would, in combination with other tones, decreasing and increasing in pitch to form an audio picture of the printed letter or number.  One would take a series of lessons from the Hadley school for the Blind on cassette tapes.  One would practice reading printed material thusly.  Then one would go to the school itself for two weeks.  To learn to properly use the device itself.  I thought the Sterio-toner might be a viable alternative for me to use.  As I have very limited use of my right hand.  The Opticon cost, then, three thousand dollars.  While the Stereo-toner cost one thousand dollars.  I am glad, now, I didn't get the device.  As it, like most devices which truly benefit us blind people, was discontinued shortly thereafter; and repair parts might not be so easily found.  Not to mention, it was less popular than was the Opticon.  

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:45 PM

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I certainly do remember the days of optacons.  I tried getting one myself, but by that time, they were no longer making them, and you couldn’t even get parts.  That was about 28 years ago.  LOL

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I agree with you, David, 1,000 percent. On one of my jobs, one of the doctors said that I worked in two languages, because I had Braille notes, took Braille short hand, but used my Optacon a lot more than I did Braille.

 

On that particular job, a requirement was that you had to make any corrections or modifications to reports. There was a blind guy that worked downstairs in Medical Records, and his wife had to do all of his. I worked up in Surgical Pathology. This was in the 70's, when we had multiple carbons, different colors. So, I had to keep those little slips that you use for the carbons and keep up with the colors. I had to carefully roll the typewriter to check with the Optacon about where to make the change. I could do them or would not have kept the job.

 

There is an Optacon Users List, sporatic traffic. A guy in Canada is trying to develop an Optacon that is more in line with today's technology.

 

I, for one, think that technology can be a sort of other god to some. For what the Optacon does, I think its technology is state of the art. The only improvement I could suggest would to be to see if the noise it makes could be reduced.

 

Best From,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:54 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Wow!

 

I still have my Optacon, and I read mail with it.

 

I read the computer screen with my Optacon,and it went very well. I had a job where I did just that, The Optacon allowed me to feel everything that was on the screen. Wow, that is so great! The Optacon was one of the best assistive technologies ever, in my apinion. It is sad that most blind people do not know what the Optacon is, but I used it to read all of my math and science textbooks, so I could get a degree in math. I could trace all calculus graphs, charts, feel how the equations were set up, and on and on. I could feel, under my finger, what a sighted person sees. That is still so exciting to me. OCR does not compare to the Optacon for small little things that you want to read like a tag on a package, a piece of mail, or read what is on a computer screen. I really wish that someone could bring it back, or a entire community would bring it back. I would be right there, fighting and doing all I could do to bring it back.

 

Have a great one, guys!

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

 

From: Randy Barnett <mailto:randy@...>

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:15 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

I too started with a Comadore 64 but I culd still see back then. My first experience with Jaws was v3.7 and have been useing it ever since.

I thought my serial No was old being in the 40,000's. LOL

On 6/9/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!

 

 

 

                Have a great day!

 

 

 

                Bob Hicks

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner

                Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so.  Hard to remember back that far

 

 

 

                Richard

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

                Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

 

                Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

 

                JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

 

                I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

 

                In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

 

                Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

 

                JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

 

                JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

 

                JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

 

                JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

 

                Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

 

                Other milestones:

 

                Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

 

                Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

 

                In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

 

                Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

 

                JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

 

                JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

 

                JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

 

                Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

 

                JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

 

                Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

 

 

                Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

 

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_%28screen_reader%29>

 

 

 

                Regards,

 

                Sieghard

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

 

 

                I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

 

 

                Tony

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

 

                I guess it was around 1998

 

                I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

 

                Cheers everyone.

 

                Ronnie from London.

 

                                ----- Original Message -----

 

                                From: Bob Hicks <mailto:bob@...>

 

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

 

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

                               

 

                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause.

                               

                                This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started.

                               

                                Carol

 

                                On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                                                I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

                               

 

                                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                               

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

That stereo toner thing sounds truly complicated. I was briefly trained on the Optacon at the school for the blind in Marburg, Germany, but I did not have much of a nack for it and found it so slow to be useless. This may of course have to do with the fact that only a few years before then (in 1984) I blew myself up with a home-built pipe bomb and lost 2 fingers on each hand (and of course my sight), all other fingers were seriously injured, saved only because of the skill of one of the best hand surgeons in Germany at that time  and were not as fully functional as they ultimately became.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Wow, I’ve never heard of this device!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Angel
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 11:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

There was a companion device to the Opticon called the Stereo-toner.  It worked on the same principle as did the Opticon.  excepting it translated the printed text in to tones.  Which would, in combination with other tones, decreasing and increasing in pitch to form an audio picture of the printed letter or number.  One would take a series of lessons from the Hadley school for the Blind on cassette tapes.  One would practice reading printed material thusly.  Then one would go to the school itself for two weeks.  To learn to properly use the device itself.  I thought the Sterio-toner might be a viable alternative for me to use.  As I have very limited use of my right hand.  The Opticon cost, then, three thousand dollars.  While the Stereo-toner cost one thousand dollars.  I am glad, now, I didn't get the device.  As it, like most devices which truly benefit us blind people, was discontinued shortly thereafter; and repair parts might not be so easily found.  Not to mention, it was less popular than was the Opticon.  

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:45 PM

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I certainly do remember the days of optacons.  I tried getting one myself, but by that time, they were no longer making them, and you couldn’t even get parts.  That was about 28 years ago.  LOL

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I agree with you, David, 1,000 percent. On one of my jobs, one of the doctors said that I worked in two languages, because I had Braille notes, took Braille short hand, but used my Optacon a lot more than I did Braille.

 

On that particular job, a requirement was that you had to make any corrections or modifications to reports. There was a blind guy that worked downstairs in Medical Records, and his wife had to do all of his. I worked up in Surgical Pathology. This was in the 70's, when we had multiple carbons, different colors. So, I had to keep those little slips that you use for the carbons and keep up with the colors. I had to carefully roll the typewriter to check with the Optacon about where to make the change. I could do them or would not have kept the job.

 

There is an Optacon Users List, sporatic traffic. A guy in Canada is trying to develop an Optacon that is more in line with today's technology.

 

I, for one, think that technology can be a sort of other god to some. For what the Optacon does, I think its technology is state of the art. The only improvement I could suggest would to be to see if the noise it makes could be reduced.

 

Best From,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:54 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Wow!

 

I still have my Optacon, and I read mail with it.

 

I read the computer screen with my Optacon,and it went very well. I had a job where I did just that, The Optacon allowed me to feel everything that was on the screen. Wow, that is so great! The Optacon was one of the best assistive technologies ever, in my apinion. It is sad that most blind people do not know what the Optacon is, but I used it to read all of my math and science textbooks, so I could get a degree in math. I could trace all calculus graphs, charts, feel how the equations were set up, and on and on. I could feel, under my finger, what a sighted person sees. That is still so exciting to me. OCR does not compare to the Optacon for small little things that you want to read like a tag on a package, a piece of mail, or read what is on a computer screen. I really wish that someone could bring it back, or a entire community would bring it back. I would be right there, fighting and doing all I could do to bring it back.

 

Have a great one, guys!

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

 

From: Randy Barnett <mailto:randy@...>

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:15 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

I too started with a Comadore 64 but I culd still see back then. My first experience with Jaws was v3.7 and have been useing it ever since.

I thought my serial No was old being in the 40,000's. LOL

On 6/9/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!

 

 

 

                Have a great day!

 

 

 

                Bob Hicks

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner

                Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so.  Hard to remember back that far

 

 

 

                Richard

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

                Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

 

                Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

 

                JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

 

                I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

 

                In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

 

                Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

 

                JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

 

                JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

 

                JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

 

                JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

 

                Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

 

                Other milestones:

 

                Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

 

                Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

 

                In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

 

                Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

 

                JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

 

                JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

 

                JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

 

                Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

 

                JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

 

                Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

 

 

                Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

 

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_%28screen_reader%29>

 

 

 

                Regards,

 

                Sieghard

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

 

 

                I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

 

 

                Tony

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

 

                I guess it was around 1998

 

                I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

 

                Cheers everyone.

 

                Ronnie from London.

 

                                ----- Original Message -----

 

                                From: Bob Hicks <mailto:bob@...>

 

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

 

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

                               

 

                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause.

                               

                                This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started.

                               

                                Carol

 

                                On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                                                I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

                               

 

                                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                               

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Melissa Stott <mstott69@...>
 

Wow, I’ve never heard of this device!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Angel
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 11:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

There was a companion device to the Opticon called the Stereo-toner.  It worked on the same principle as did the Opticon.  excepting it translated the printed text in to tones.  Which would, in combination with other tones, decreasing and increasing in pitch to form an audio picture of the printed letter or number.  One would take a series of lessons from the Hadley school for the Blind on cassette tapes.  One would practice reading printed material thusly.  Then one would go to the school itself for two weeks.  To learn to properly use the device itself.  I thought the Sterio-toner might be a viable alternative for me to use.  As I have very limited use of my right hand.  The Opticon cost, then, three thousand dollars.  While the Stereo-toner cost one thousand dollars.  I am glad, now, I didn't get the device.  As it, like most devices which truly benefit us blind people, was discontinued shortly thereafter; and repair parts might not be so easily found.  Not to mention, it was less popular than was the Opticon.  

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:45 PM

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I certainly do remember the days of optacons.  I tried getting one myself, but by that time, they were no longer making them, and you couldn’t even get parts.  That was about 28 years ago.  LOL

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I agree with you, David, 1,000 percent. On one of my jobs, one of the doctors said that I worked in two languages, because I had Braille notes, took Braille short hand, but used my Optacon a lot more than I did Braille.

 

On that particular job, a requirement was that you had to make any corrections or modifications to reports. There was a blind guy that worked downstairs in Medical Records, and his wife had to do all of his. I worked up in Surgical Pathology. This was in the 70's, when we had multiple carbons, different colors. So, I had to keep those little slips that you use for the carbons and keep up with the colors. I had to carefully roll the typewriter to check with the Optacon about where to make the change. I could do them or would not have kept the job.

 

There is an Optacon Users List, sporatic traffic. A guy in Canada is trying to develop an Optacon that is more in line with today's technology.

 

I, for one, think that technology can be a sort of other god to some. For what the Optacon does, I think its technology is state of the art. The only improvement I could suggest would to be to see if the noise it makes could be reduced.

 

Best From,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:54 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Wow!

 

I still have my Optacon, and I read mail with it.

 

I read the computer screen with my Optacon,and it went very well. I had a job where I did just that, The Optacon allowed me to feel everything that was on the screen. Wow, that is so great! The Optacon was one of the best assistive technologies ever, in my apinion. It is sad that most blind people do not know what the Optacon is, but I used it to read all of my math and science textbooks, so I could get a degree in math. I could trace all calculus graphs, charts, feel how the equations were set up, and on and on. I could feel, under my finger, what a sighted person sees. That is still so exciting to me. OCR does not compare to the Optacon for small little things that you want to read like a tag on a package, a piece of mail, or read what is on a computer screen. I really wish that someone could bring it back, or a entire community would bring it back. I would be right there, fighting and doing all I could do to bring it back.

 

Have a great one, guys!

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

 

From: Randy Barnett <mailto:randy@...>

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:15 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

I too started with a Comadore 64 but I culd still see back then. My first experience with Jaws was v3.7 and have been useing it ever since.

I thought my serial No was old being in the 40,000's. LOL

On 6/9/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!

 

 

 

                Have a great day!

 

 

 

                Bob Hicks

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner

                Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so.  Hard to remember back that far

 

 

 

                Richard

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

                Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

 

                Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

 

                JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

 

                I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

 

                In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

 

                Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

 

                JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

 

                JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

 

                JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

 

                JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

 

                Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

 

                Other milestones:

 

                Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

 

                Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

 

                In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

 

                Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

 

                JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

 

                JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

 

                JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

 

                Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

 

                JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

 

                Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

 

 

                Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

 

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_%28screen_reader%29>

 

 

 

                Regards,

 

                Sieghard

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

 

 

                I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

 

 

                Tony

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

 

                I guess it was around 1998

 

                I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

 

                Cheers everyone.

 

                Ronnie from London.

 

                                ----- Original Message -----

 

                                From: Bob Hicks <mailto:bob@...>

 

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

 

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

                               

 

                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause.

                               

                                This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started.

                               

                                Carol

 

                                On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                                                I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

                               

 

                                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                               

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Angel
 


There was a companion device to the Opticon called the Stereo-toner.  It worked on the same principle as did the Opticon.  excepting it translated the printed text in to tones.  Which would, in combination with other tones, decreasing and increasing in pitch to form an audio picture of the printed letter or number.  One would take a series of lessons from the Hadley school for the Blind on cassette tapes.  One would practice reading printed material thusly.  Then one would go to the school itself for two weeks.  To learn to properly use the device itself.  I thought the Sterio-toner might be a viable alternative for me to use.  As I have very limited use of my right hand.  The Opticon cost, then, three thousand dollars.  While the Stereo-toner cost one thousand dollars.  I am glad, now, I didn't get the device.  As it, like most devices which truly benefit us blind people, was discontinued shortly thereafter; and repair parts might not be so easily found.  Not to mention, it was less popular than was the Opticon.  

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

I certainly do remember the days of optacons.  I tried getting one myself, but by that time, they were no longer making them, and you couldn’t even get parts.  That was about 28 years ago.  LOL

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I agree with you, David, 1,000 percent. On one of my jobs, one of the doctors said that I worked in two languages, because I had Braille notes, took Braille short hand, but used my Optacon a lot more than I did Braille.

 

On that particular job, a requirement was that you had to make any corrections or modifications to reports. There was a blind guy that worked downstairs in Medical Records, and his wife had to do all of his. I worked up in Surgical Pathology. This was in the 70's, when we had multiple carbons, different colors. So, I had to keep those little slips that you use for the carbons and keep up with the colors. I had to carefully roll the typewriter to check with the Optacon about where to make the change. I could do them or would not have kept the job.

 

There is an Optacon Users List, sporatic traffic. A guy in Canada is trying to develop an Optacon that is more in line with today's technology.

 

I, for one, think that technology can be a sort of other god to some. For what the Optacon does, I think its technology is state of the art. The only improvement I could suggest would to be to see if the noise it makes could be reduced.

 

Best From,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:54 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Wow!

 

I still have my Optacon, and I read mail with it.

 

I read the computer screen with my Optacon,and it went very well. I had a job where I did just that, The Optacon allowed me to feel everything that was on the screen. Wow, that is so great! The Optacon was one of the best assistive technologies ever, in my apinion. It is sad that most blind people do not know what the Optacon is, but I used it to read all of my math and science textbooks, so I could get a degree in math. I could trace all calculus graphs, charts, feel how the equations were set up, and on and on. I could feel, under my finger, what a sighted person sees. That is still so exciting to me. OCR does not compare to the Optacon for small little things that you want to read like a tag on a package, a piece of mail, or read what is on a computer screen. I really wish that someone could bring it back, or a entire community would bring it back. I would be right there, fighting and doing all I could do to bring it back.

 

Have a great one, guys!

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

 

From: Randy Barnett <mailto:randy@...>

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:15 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

I too started with a Comadore 64 but I culd still see back then. My first experience with Jaws was v3.7 and have been useing it ever since.

I thought my serial No was old being in the 40,000's. LOL

On 6/9/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!

 

 

 

                Have a great day!

 

 

 

                Bob Hicks

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner

                Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so.  Hard to remember back that far

 

 

 

                Richard

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

                Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

 

                Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

 

                JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

 

                I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

 

                In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

 

                Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

 

                JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

 

                JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

 

                JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

 

                JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

 

                Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

 

                Other milestones:

 

                Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

 

                Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

 

                In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

 

                Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

 

                JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

 

                JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

 

                JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

 

                Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

 

                JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

 

                Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

 

 

                Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

 

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_%28screen_reader%29>

 

 

 

                Regards,

 

                Sieghard

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

 

 

                I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

 

 

                Tony

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

 

                I guess it was around 1998

 

                I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

 

                Cheers everyone.

 

                Ronnie from London.

 

                                ----- Original Message -----

 

                                From: Bob Hicks <mailto:bob@...>

 

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

 

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

                               

 

                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause.

                               

                                This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started.

                               

                                Carol

 

                                On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                                                I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

                               

 

                                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                               

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Ring Video Pro accessibility

 

I have a regular Ring Video Doorbell at home and a Pro at my retail store’s backdoor.

As Luis says, it’s relatively accessible, but it could be improved. I find especially sometimes when a notification comes in that somebody rang the doorbell and I tap on it, then I have to unlock my device with Touch Id it sometimes goes straight to the video screen and sometimes it does not.

Also, at least for me you have to double tap a button to speak, it would make sense to me if this would be automatically done or at least if there were a setting where you could enable or disable this.

I also wish they could figure out how you could answer the doorbell from your lockscreen just as you can answer a phone call, but that maybe something Apple prevents.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luis Difut
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Ring Video Pro accessibility

 

Yes I use one. It's not perfect but I can answer the door & talk to the ringer. Most everything is labeled "Miles my vary!"

I have the Ring video door bell with two extra stick up cams for the back door and yard.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 5:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Ring Video Pro accessibility

 

Hello list,

Was considering getting a Ring Video Pro and would like to know if the accompanying app/cloud service is at all accessible?

I’d likely get someone to install it, but I’m interested in the notifications aspect. Both the wife and I run our businesses out of the house, so we’re home throughout the day. We’ve already got a no solicitations, no surveys and no sermons sign in front to cut down on people coming to the door, but there are always those who would never consider that such a sign applies to them.

In any event, I’d like to know people’s experiences with this device and accompanying desktop app for Windows.

Using the latest JFW 18.

Thanks,


Re: Connecting to the internet

Marilyn Bland <tinkerbelltx@...>
 

Hello everyone,

Starting Monday next week I will be working from a different location than usual for a number of days. This means that my laptop will not automatically be connected to the internet.

Please tell me what JAWS keystrokes should I use to be able to get internet connectivity and what should I hear JAWS saying?

Many Thanks.

Marilyn

Dr. Marilyn Bland - Dallas, Texas.


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Melissa Stott <mstott69@...>
 

I certainly do remember the days of optacons.  I tried getting one myself, but by that time, they were no longer making them, and you couldn’t even get parts.  That was about 28 years ago.  LOL

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I agree with you, David, 1,000 percent. On one of my jobs, one of the doctors said that I worked in two languages, because I had Braille notes, took Braille short hand, but used my Optacon a lot more than I did Braille.

 

On that particular job, a requirement was that you had to make any corrections or modifications to reports. There was a blind guy that worked downstairs in Medical Records, and his wife had to do all of his. I worked up in Surgical Pathology. This was in the 70's, when we had multiple carbons, different colors. So, I had to keep those little slips that you use for the carbons and keep up with the colors. I had to carefully roll the typewriter to check with the Optacon about where to make the change. I could do them or would not have kept the job.

 

There is an Optacon Users List, sporatic traffic. A guy in Canada is trying to develop an Optacon that is more in line with today's technology.

 

I, for one, think that technology can be a sort of other god to some. For what the Optacon does, I think its technology is state of the art. The only improvement I could suggest would to be to see if the noise it makes could be reduced.

 

Best From,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:54 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Wow!

 

I still have my Optacon, and I read mail with it.

 

I read the computer screen with my Optacon,and it went very well. I had a job where I did just that, The Optacon allowed me to feel everything that was on the screen. Wow, that is so great! The Optacon was one of the best assistive technologies ever, in my apinion. It is sad that most blind people do not know what the Optacon is, but I used it to read all of my math and science textbooks, so I could get a degree in math. I could trace all calculus graphs, charts, feel how the equations were set up, and on and on. I could feel, under my finger, what a sighted person sees. That is still so exciting to me. OCR does not compare to the Optacon for small little things that you want to read like a tag on a package, a piece of mail, or read what is on a computer screen. I really wish that someone could bring it back, or a entire community would bring it back. I would be right there, fighting and doing all I could do to bring it back.

 

Have a great one, guys!

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

 

From: Randy Barnett <mailto:randy@...>

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:15 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

I too started with a Comadore 64 but I culd still see back then. My first experience with Jaws was v3.7 and have been useing it ever since.

I thought my serial No was old being in the 40,000's. LOL

On 6/9/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!

 

 

 

                Have a great day!

 

 

 

                Bob Hicks

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner

                Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so.  Hard to remember back that far.

 

 

 

                Richard

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

                Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

 

 

                I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

 

                Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

 

                JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

 

                I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

 

                In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

 

                Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

 

                JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

 

                JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

 

                JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

 

                JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

 

                Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

 

                Other milestones:

 

                Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

 

                Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

 

                In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

 

                Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

 

                JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

 

                JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

 

                JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

 

                Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

 

                JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

 

                Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

 

 

                Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

 

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_%28screen_reader%29>

 

 

 

                Regards,

 

                Sieghard

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

 

 

                I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

 

 

                Tony

 

 

 

 

 

                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill

                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM

                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                Subject: Re: training modules

 

 

 

                Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

 

                I guess it was around 1998

 

                I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

 

                Cheers everyone.

 

                Ronnie from London.

 

                                ----- Original Message -----

 

                                From: Bob Hicks <mailto:bob@...>

 

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

 

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

                               

 

                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                                From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io

                                Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM

                                To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

                                Subject: Re: training modules

 

                               

 

                                If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause.

                               

                                This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started.

                               

                                Carol

 

                                On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

 

                                                I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

                               

 

                                                Have a great day!

 

                               

 

                                                Bob Hicks

 

                               

 

                               

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I agree with you, David, 1,000 percent. On one of my jobs, one of the doctors said that I worked in two languages, because I had Braille notes, took Braille short hand, but used my Optacon a lot more than I did Braille.

On that particular job, a requirement was that you had to make any corrections or modifications to reports. There was a blind guy that worked downstairs in Medical Records, and his wife had to do all of his. I worked up in Surgical Pathology. This was in the 70's, when we had multiple carbons, different colors. So, I had to keep those little slips that you use for the carbons and keep up with the colors. I had to carefully roll the typewriter to check with the Optacon about where to make the change. I could do them or would not have kept the job.

There is an Optacon Users List, sporatic traffic. A guy in Canada is trying to develop an Optacon that is more in line with today's technology.

I, for one, think that technology can be a sort of other god to some. For what the Optacon does, I think its technology is state of the art. The only improvement I could suggest would to be to see if the noise it makes could be reduced.

Best From,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Wow!

I still have my Optacon, and I read mail with it.

I read the computer screen with my Optacon,and it went very well. I had a job where I did just that, The Optacon allowed me to feel everything that was on the screen. Wow, that is so great! The Optacon was one of the best assistive technologies ever, in my apinion. It is sad that most blind people do not know what the Optacon is, but I used it to read all of my math and science textbooks, so I could get a degree in math. I could trace all calculus graphs, charts, feel how the equations were set up, and on and on. I could feel, under my finger, what a sighted person sees. That is still so exciting to me. OCR does not compare to the Optacon for small little things that you want to read like a tag on a package, a piece of mail, or read what is on a computer screen. I really wish that someone could bring it back, or a entire community would bring it back. I would be right there, fighting and doing all I could do to bring it back.

Have a great one, guys!

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



From: Randy Barnett <mailto:randy@soundtique.net>
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules



I too started with a Comadore 64 but I culd still see back then. My first experience with Jaws was v3.7 and have been useing it ever since.
I thought my serial No was old being in the 40,000's. LOL
On 6/9/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!



Have a great day!



Bob Hicks



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules



I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so. Hard to remember back that far.



Richard





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules



I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.



Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_%28screen_reader%29>



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: training modules



I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.



I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.



Tony





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: training modules



Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks <mailto:bob@seeinghandassociation.com>

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules



Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!



Have a great day!



Bob Hicks



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: training modules



If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J. There are links to tutorials. If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you. These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause.

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command. This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program. This information should be enough to get you started.

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18. How do I git the training modules into FS reader? tia



Have a great day!



Bob Hicks


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

David Moore
 

Wow!

I still have my Optacon, and I read mail with it.

I read the computer screen with my Optacon,and it went very well. I had a job where I did just that, The Optacon allowed me to feel everything that was on the screen. Wow, that is so great! The Optacon was one of the best assistive technologies ever, in my apinion. It is sad that most blind people do not know what the Optacon is, but I used it to read all of my math and science textbooks, so I could get a degree in math. I could trace all calculus graphs, charts, feel how the equations were set up, and on and on. I could feel, under my finger, what a sighted person sees. That is still so exciting to me. OCR does not compare to the Optacon for small little things that you want to read like a tag on a package, a piece of mail, or read what is on a computer screen. I really wish that someone could bring it back, or a entire community would bring it back. I would be right there, fighting and doing all I could do to bring it back.

Have a great one, guys!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I too started with a Comadore 64 but I culd still see back then. My first experience with Jaws was v3.7 and have been useing it ever since.
I thought my serial No was old being in the 40,000's. LOL
On 6/9/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so.  Hard to remember back that far.

 

Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules

 

Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause. 

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started. 

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

 

 

 


Re: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

Richard Turner
 

Thanks very much Jerry,
Though on my Windows 10 with Office 365 and Word 2016, one press of f6 got me to the status line. Shift f10 brought up the list but all I had to do was hit the space bar on each item I wanted to check or uncheck.

Works great now.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerry Ellis
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 5:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

Hi,

Let's be a little more precice.

When in the body of the Word document, hit F6 twice to get to the status
line. Hit Shift and F10 to get to the list of choices that you can make
appear or disappear on the status line. Use up and down arrow to find the
one you want to and hit Enter to select or de-select it. Once done hit tab
to say OK.

I hope this helps



Take care,

Gerry Ellis

If you don't know where you're going,
How will you know when you get there?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

f6 should take you to the status bar so you can add the things you want. It
maybe requires the applications menu to apply the settings.
At 06:56 PM 6/9/2017, you wrote:
I'll have to see if I get your same experience when I upgrade to office
2016 here at home.
Jaws gives me page number and the word count and some other information.
Curious.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 7:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

At work, I have Jaws 18 and Word 2013 and insert+PageDown tells me the
status bar info like page number, line number, etc.
At home using Word 2016, Jaws 18 Home Use, insert+PageDown gives me the
word count.
Where on Earth would I go to make it tell me the page number at least?
I just went through the Word Verbosity settings with insert+v and
didn't find anything useful.

Thanks for any help,
Richard







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Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I too started with a Comadore 64 but I culd still see back then. My first experience with Jaws was v3.7 and have been useing it ever since.
I thought my serial No was old being in the 40,000's. LOL

On 6/9/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so.  Hard to remember back that far.

 

Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules

 

Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause. 

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started. 

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

 



Re: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,

Let's be a little more precice.

When in the body of the Word document, hit F6 twice to get to the status
line. Hit Shift and F10 to get to the list of choices that you can make
appear or disappear on the status line. Use up and down arrow to find the
one you want to and hit Enter to select or de-select it. Once done hit tab
to say OK.

I hope this helps



Take care,

Gerry Ellis

If you don't know where you're going,
How will you know when you get there?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

f6 should take you to the status bar so you can add the things you want. It
maybe requires the applications menu to apply the settings.
At 06:56 PM 6/9/2017, you wrote:
I'll have to see if I get your same experience when I upgrade to office
2016 here at home.
Jaws gives me page number and the word count and some other information.
Curious.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 7:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

At work, I have Jaws 18 and Word 2013 and insert+PageDown tells me the
status bar info like page number, line number, etc.
At home using Word 2016, Jaws 18 Home Use, insert+PageDown gives me the
word count.
Where on Earth would I go to make it tell me the page number at least?
I just went through the Word Verbosity settings with insert+v and
didn't find anything useful.

Thanks for any help,
Richard







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Re: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

Ann Byrne
 

f6 should take you to the status bar so you can add the things you want. It maybe requires the applications menu to apply the settings.

At 06:56 PM 6/9/2017, you wrote:
I'll have to see if I get your same experience when I upgrade to office 2016 here at home.
Jaws gives me page number and the word count and some other information.
Curious.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 7:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

At work, I have Jaws 18 and Word 2013 and insert+PageDown tells me the status bar info like page number, line number, etc.
At home using Word 2016, Jaws 18 Home Use, insert+PageDown gives me the word count.
Where on Earth would I go to make it tell me the page number at least?
I just went through the Word Verbosity settings with insert+v and didn't find anything useful.

Thanks for any help,
Richard



Re: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

brian albriton
 

I’ll have to see if I get your same experience when I upgrade to office 2016 here at home.

Jaws gives me page number and the word count and some other information.

Curious.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 7:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word 2016 and JAWS 18

 

At work, I have Jaws 18 and Word 2013 and insert+PageDown tells me the status bar info like page number, line number, etc.

At home using Word 2016, Jaws 18 Home Use, insert+PageDown gives me the word count.

Where on Earth would I go to make it tell me the page number at least?

I just went through the Word Verbosity settings with insert+v and didn’t find anything useful.

 

Thanks for any help,

Richard

 

 


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Bob Hicks
 

Oh my gosh, I still have my Opticon!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I started out with a Commodore 64 using an OPTACON to read the screen in about 1983 or so.  Hard to remember back that far.

 

Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules

 

Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause. 

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started. 

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

 


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

James Malone
 

I remember those days well. The smallest things can be the biggest problems, even now.

James

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 7:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Exactly, that is how I remember it was for me. When I had my first computer at the uNiversity of Western Ontario in the fall of 1989 most things were still on 5.25 inch floppy isk, the ones which really were “floppy”. My PC had both a 5.25 and 3.5 inch drive, it had a “huge” 70 Mb hard drive where most of my fellow students still had 40 Mb drives or even 20 Mb drives. At some point my PC was upgraded to 1 Mb of RAM and I remember that it cost I think $700, of course a good PC back then could easily be $3,000. My first IBM Thinkpad (I think that was around 1993 or 1994 was $7,000 (all of this is Canadian Dollars).

I also had an HP Scanjet Plus scanner with Arkenstone and in 1989 when I got my first package it included a Eureka notetaker which had a braille keyboard and speech, but no braille display. It also had a 3.5 inch floppy drive and a built-in modem and it was a very compact device, maybe the size of a 13 inch laptop. It had a word processor, calculator incl. scientific, clock/calendar, reminders, I think a voice recorder as well and I remember it had a music composer. Anybody remember these, it was about $3,500 Canadian back then. Ah, the good old days, how many times did I go next door in my University dorm to ask a sighted friend why my computer wasn’t booting up only for him to walk in the room, remove the floppy disk I had forgotten to take out and all was good.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 6:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Wow. I can't say I was ever told JFD and JFW had to operate as a package... and in fact a lot of places used ASAP before switching to JFW. But in my own personal experience, I had no issues using JFD to get me into Windows. Of course JFD stopped talking as soon as Windows loaded, but then... you weren't in DOS anymore.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 05:45 am, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

I never liked JFD. I was already a MicroTalk ASAP user, and found it to be a vastly superior product. For instance, my department was told that JFD and JFW must operate as a package. Well, guess what, JFD couldn't handle the handoff to Windows; Windows wouldn't talk. So I loaded my authorized copy of ASAP instead, and it took right off. So much for JFD.

Moving to Windows was another matter, where JFW proved to be vastly superior to ASAW. I guess developing a Windows screen reader was too big a job for even the most talented individual programmer.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for use with
the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I remember making a
telephone call to the United States, very early in the morning Australian
time, to find out whether JAWS supported the new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It
did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter himself was on the other end of the line to
tell me about it.

 


Re: Ring Video Pro accessibility

Luis Difut
 

Yes I use one. It's not perfect but I can answer the door & talk to the ringer. Most everything is labeled "Miles my vary!"

I have the Ring video door bell with two extra stick up cams for the back door and yard.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 5:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Ring Video Pro accessibility

 

Hello list,

Was considering getting a Ring Video Pro and would like to know if the accompanying app/cloud service is at all accessible?

I’d likely get someone to install it, but I’m interested in the notifications aspect. Both the wife and I run our businesses out of the house, so we’re home throughout the day. We’ve already got a no solicitations, no surveys and no sermons sign in front to cut down on people coming to the door, but there are always those who would never consider that such a sign applies to them.

In any event, I’d like to know people’s experiences with this device and accompanying desktop app for Windows.

Using the latest JFW 18.

Thanks,


Re: Document settings for reading in IE

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

What is your speech verbosity set too?Beginner says all kinds of stuff, intermediate cuts down on that and expert says very little...

On 6/9/2017 3:08 PM, Ashleigh Piccinino wrote:

This might not be what you’re looking for, but when on any web site in IE, you can press insert v for your quick settings. Go to your document settings and under general, you’ll find some reading settings. Make sure the checkbox for “document automatically reads” is unchecked and press the okay/execute button.

Hope this helps,

Ashleigh Piccinino

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Vic Beckley
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

 

The problem I am having with extra verbiage is when I first load a web page. I first here the title of the web page as it is loading. Then I hear it probably 3 times before the page summary is spoken and one more time after that. I have a satellite connection, so my pages start loading fairly slowly. Is there any way to reduce this annoying chatter. If I stop speech, then the page doesn't automatically read.


Best Regards From Ohio,

Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

Jessica, press insert+j to gain focus to the JAWS window. now press the alt key to get the menubar. the option menu should be announced, if so press enter or down arrow to open it. the first option should be basics... press enter to open it. the first setting should be Tutor Messages. press the down or up arrow key to choose Turn off Menu and Control Help radio button checked, and press enter to save and close the basics dialog.
vwa la.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jessica D [mailto:jldail13@...]
Sent: Thursday, Jun 8, 2017 3:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

                Hi,
I’m using JAWS 18, with Windows 10, 1607.

I’m getting a lot of extraneous info from JAWS.
When I go to my desktop, for example, I hear, “Windows D desktop.”

Can I stop JAWS from saying this extra stuff?
Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from Mail for Windows 10








 



Document settings for reading in IE

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

This might not be what you’re looking for, but when on any web site in IE, you can press insert v for your quick settings. Go to your document settings and under general, you’ll find some reading settings. Make sure the checkbox for “document automatically reads” is unchecked and press the okay/execute button.

Hope this helps,

Ashleigh Piccinino

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Vic Beckley
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

 

The problem I am having with extra verbiage is when I first load a web page. I first here the title of the web page as it is loading. Then I hear it probably 3 times before the page summary is spoken and one more time after that. I have a satellite connection, so my pages start loading fairly slowly. Is there any way to reduce this annoying chatter. If I stop speech, then the page doesn't automatically read.


Best Regards From Ohio,

Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

Jessica, press insert+j to gain focus to the JAWS window. now press the alt key to get the menubar. the option menu should be announced, if so press enter or down arrow to open it. the first option should be basics... press enter to open it. the first setting should be Tutor Messages. press the down or up arrow key to choose Turn off Menu and Control Help radio button checked, and press enter to save and close the basics dialog.
vwa la.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jessica D [mailto:jldail13@...]
Sent: Thursday, Jun 8, 2017 3:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

                Hi,
I’m using JAWS 18, with Windows 10, 1607.

I’m getting a lot of extraneous info from JAWS.
When I go to my desktop, for example, I hear, “Windows D desktop.”

Can I stop JAWS from saying this extra stuff?
Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from Mail for Windows 10








 


Re: Which Dave?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Carol, to contact someone off list, -

1. Shift-Tab through the fields to the from field - might
have to twice, and you'll see JFW and the sender's name and
address.
2. Press Home.
3. Highlight line by pressing Shift-End Key.
4. Press Control-C to copy that line.
5. Start a new message.
6. Go to the body of that message and edit that line. You
will remove everything except the email address. You will
remove the less than and greather signs on each side of
that.
7. Once that is all clean and all that remains is the email
address, Press Home.
8. Press Shift-End Key to highlight.
9. Press Control C to Copy All.
10. Shift-Tab to the To field.
11. Press Alt-V to paste in the email address.
12. Proceed with email, subject, message, signature ect.

Best From,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 12:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Which Dave?

Carol, which dave do you want? The one with his own dog
business or the other one.