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recommended version of JAWS for use with Windows 10?

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
I'm using Windows 10 on my mac via bootcamp.
I'd like to know what version of Jaws is recommended for this setup.
Also, I don't want the tandum feature, should I keep the regular version of JAWS or uninstall it, and install the non-tandum version?
Thanks, from a new member,
Jessica



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Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario
 

I don't understand why the cell contents are announced before the
coordinates. it is displayed as the cell coordinat followed by it's
contents, so why can't JAWS announce it that way. it seems counter
productive to me.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Thursday, Jun 8, 2017 7:50 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

I got my first real spreadsheet training around 1990. Over the years, I
used Artic Business Vision, VOS, ASAP, and, of course, JAWS. Far as I
can remember, cells have always been announced the same way; guess I
never gave it much thought until now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Mario,
After doing all of this and rearranging a few lines.
I deleted the entire script entry.
Guess what happened?
Not a thing!
Without that stuff in there it still says the contents and then the
coordinates.
So the answer must be tied to something else.
Shannon
P.s.
I copied all of the jaws excel script into note pad for back up before I
did anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














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Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Shannon
 

OH! Tom!
You mean there is still hope? I am getting so excited!

You have successfully tweaked it before and it worked? I didn't realize that you did have it working the way we are describing. I thought you were trying this out for us who wanted the change.
That means the answer is not that far off if you did it before we should be able to find it again!
Good luck!!!
Have you done lots of tweaking to your JAWS excel script? Could we just copy paste your entire text file into our own and recompile it for ourselves
Thanks ever so much for looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

My appologies to all. I have made changes to my excel scripts and thought this was where I had changed it to speak coordinates first. I will have to look further to recall what I changed. I will hopefully have something in the next little while.
Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
I think you are on to something here. How much of this stuff do you know? I don't know anything about scripts at all.
Are the actions of the navigation keys arrows, enter and tab defined in this script or are they defined somewhere else?
Is It part of that Verbosity setting? Is verbosity something we mere mortals can reach?

Seems like a small thing but I really think it should be a choice.
Just like when you are hearing LINK I prefer to hear that after the text of the link and not at all during read to end or say all. It is a preference.

Is this one of those things that we have to report as a feature request or can we fix it on our own?

Have a wonderful day.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

hold on. I just realized something, this script is tied to a keystroke, which doesn't have a shortcut. but anyway, shouldn't it be a function that needs to be modified because Shannon and I, and others who might want the same thing, want the cell coordinates to be spoken before it's contents while navigating from cell to cell using the arrow keys? if not, please explain why.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:20 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to *readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon














.


Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Shannon
 

Ted,
Precisely!
My preference would be to hear;
A81 "Thursday, June 8, 2017,
G79 "Five, has formula,."

Sounds like a simple enough thing to do but obviously it is not. Smile
Shannon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Just for fun, I flipped to a little sheet I use here to track pharmacy calls. The first column reads "Thursday, June 8, 2017, A81." succeeding columns list calls, each designated with a 1. At the end of the day, I enter a simple sum; so yesterday's total reads "Five, has formula, G79."

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Actually, I never gave it any thought, but with Window-Eyes and Excel,
the coordinates are spoken first, the contents next and information
about the dell, money, date, etc. are spoken afterward.

Carol


On 6/8/2017 7:50 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:
I got my first real spreadsheet training around 1990. Over the years, I used Artic Business Vision, VOS, ASAP, and, of course, JAWS. Far as I can remember, cells have always been announced the same way; guess I never gave it much thought until now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
After doing all of this and rearranging a few lines.
I deleted the entire script entry.
Guess what happened?
Not a thing!
Without that stuff in there it still says the contents and then the coordinates.
So the answer must be tied to something else.
Shannon
P.s.
I copied all of the jaws excel script into note pad for back up before I did anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














.












Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

My appologies to all. I have made changes to my excel scripts and thought this was where I had changed it to speak coordinates first. I will have to look further to recall what I changed. I will hopefully have something in the next little while.
Regards
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
I think you are on to something here. How much of this stuff do you know? I don't know anything about scripts at all.
Are the actions of the navigation keys arrows, enter and tab defined in this script or are they defined somewhere else?
Is It part of that Verbosity setting? Is verbosity something we mere mortals can reach?

Seems like a small thing but I really think it should be a choice.
Just like when you are hearing LINK I prefer to hear that after the text of the link and not at all during read to end or say all. It is a preference.

Is this one of those things that we have to report as a feature request or can we fix it on our own?

Have a wonderful day.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

hold on. I just realized something, this script is tied to a keystroke, which doesn't have a shortcut. but anyway, shouldn't it be a function that needs to be modified because Shannon and I, and others who might want the same thing, want the cell coordinates to be spoken before it's contents while navigating from cell to cell using the arrow keys? if not, please explain why.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:20 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to *readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon














.


Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Shannon
 

Mario,
I think you are on to something here. How much of this stuff do you know? I don't know anything about scripts at all.
Are the actions of the navigation keys arrows, enter and tab defined in this script or are they defined somewhere else?
Is It part of that Verbosity setting? Is verbosity something we mere mortals can reach?

Seems like a small thing but I really think it should be a choice.
Just like when you are hearing LINK I prefer to hear that after the text of the link and not at all during read to end or say all. It is a preference.

Is this one of those things that we have to report as a feature request or can we fix it on our own?

Have a wonderful day.
Shannon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

hold on. I just realized something, this script is tied to a keystroke,
which doesn't have a shortcut. but anyway, shouldn't it be a function
that needs to be modified because Shannon and I, and others who might
want the same thing, want the cell coordinates to be spoken before it's
contents while navigating from cell to cell using the arrow keys? if
not, please explain why.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:20 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














.


Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Just for fun, I flipped to a little sheet I use here to track pharmacy calls. The first column reads "Thursday, June 8, 2017, A81." succeeding columns list calls, each designated with a 1. At the end of the day, I enter a simple sum; so yesterday's total reads "Five, has formula, G79."

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Actually, I never gave it any thought, but with Window-Eyes and Excel,
the coordinates are spoken first, the contents next and information
about the dell, money, date, etc. are spoken afterward.

Carol


On 6/8/2017 7:50 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:
I got my first real spreadsheet training around 1990. Over the years, I used Artic Business Vision, VOS, ASAP, and, of course, JAWS. Far as I can remember, cells have always been announced the same way; guess I never gave it much thought until now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
After doing all of this and rearranging a few lines.
I deleted the entire script entry.
Guess what happened?
Not a thing!
Without that stuff in there it still says the contents and then the coordinates.
So the answer must be tied to something else.
Shannon
P.s.
I copied all of the jaws excel script into note pad for back up before I did anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














.












Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard Turner
 

And, you could change that easily in the Window-Eyes settings.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Actually, I never gave it any thought, but with Window-Eyes and Excel,
the coordinates are spoken first, the contents next and information
about the dell, money, date, etc. are spoken afterward.

Carol


On 6/8/2017 7:50 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:
I got my first real spreadsheet training around 1990. Over the years, I used Artic Business Vision, VOS, ASAP, and, of course, JAWS. Far as I can remember, cells have always been announced the same way; guess I never gave it much thought until now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
After doing all of this and rearranging a few lines.
I deleted the entire script entry.
Guess what happened?
Not a thing!
Without that stuff in there it still says the contents and then the coordinates.
So the answer must be tied to something else.
Shannon
P.s.
I copied all of the jaws excel script into note pad for back up before I did anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














.












Re: running a dos program

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I found out years ago that some DOS programs don't run well in a DOS window, so I can't say whether or not the Motorola software will work. However, as indicated, full command capability remains. I still use it when I want something quick and easy.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: running a dos program

Any version of Windows including Windows 10 will give you a command prompt, just type "cmd" into the run command.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: running a dos program

Hey guys,

OK, this may seem like i'm going back to the dark ages, and OK, yeah it sure is. I have to program some radios, and typical motorola they actually have some dos software. Is there any sort of program that can give me a dos prommpt so i can run the software? If not, that's totally ok. Figured i would ask, if jaws 18 would even run with such a program.


Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Carol Smith
 

Actually, I never gave it any thought, but with Window-Eyes and Excel, the coordinates are spoken first, the contents next and information about the dell, money, date, etc. are spoken afterward.

Carol

On 6/8/2017 7:50 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:
I got my first real spreadsheet training around 1990. Over the years, I used Artic Business Vision, VOS, ASAP, and, of course, JAWS. Far as I can remember, cells have always been announced the same way; guess I never gave it much thought until now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
After doing all of this and rearranging a few lines.
I deleted the entire script entry.
Guess what happened?
Not a thing!
Without that stuff in there it still says the contents and then the coordinates.
So the answer must be tied to something else.
Shannon
P.s.
I copied all of the jaws excel script into note pad for back up before I did anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














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Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I got my first real spreadsheet training around 1990. Over the years, I used Artic Business Vision, VOS, ASAP, and, of course, JAWS. Far as I can remember, cells have always been announced the same way; guess I never gave it much thought until now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
After doing all of this and rearranging a few lines.
I deleted the entire script entry.
Guess what happened?
Not a thing!
Without that stuff in there it still says the contents and then the coordinates.
So the answer must be tied to something else.
Shannon
P.s.
I copied all of the jaws excel script into note pad for back up before I did anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














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Re: Making English the only language?

Tyler Spivey
 

These are languages in Windows.

I assume you're on Windows 10. Try this to remove extra languages:
1. Press windows+i to open Settings.
2. tab and find Time & language in the list. Press enter.
3. Find Region & language, press enter.
4. in the list of languages, press enter on one and remove it by pressing the Remove button.

On 6/6/2017 8:14 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
I know this question has probably been already asked and answered but,
how do I make English the only language in JAWS? Here is what I’m
encountering. When I copy a product code or, activation number,then try
to exit, I hear, “control,alt,F4. The only way to fix this is to go
into the language menu, control spacebar and cycle through the 3
languages, latin American, French and U S. I should mention this only
happens when I use my right hand to exit, using the left, it is fine.
How do I fix my foul up in settings.


Re: running a dos program

Michelle's Home Emails
 

Hi Sieghard meant to say Jed not yourself
Apologies.
Michelle


Re: running a dos program

Soronel Haetir
 

Umm, you only need an admin cmd prompt if you intend to run admin-only
actions. There are plenty of things you can do with a normal-user
prompt.

On 6/7/17, Michelle's Home Emails <m1stevens@wideband.net.au> wrote:
Hi there Sieghard

What about command prompt to access this you will need to open it with admin
privileges. "
Michelle

Sent from Michelle's iPhone

On 8 Jun 2017, at 10:10 am, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Any version of Windows including Windows 10 will give you a command
prompt, just type "cmd" into the run command.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed
Barton
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: running a dos program

Hey guys,

OK, this may seem like i'm going back to the dark ages, and OK, yeah it
sure is. I have to program some radios, and typical motorola they
actually have some dos software. Is there any sort of program that can
give me a dos prommpt so i can run the software? If not, that's totally
ok. Figured i would ask, if jaws 18 would even run with such a program.








--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: A program that duplicates what is on the screen?

Soronel Haetir
 

If you are using remote assistance over anything but a local network
sound is simply very likely to be delayed. I am not aware of any way
to improve this. (The jaws remote access option gets around this
problem by sending accessibility events rather than audio and having
the audio then rendered on the client system, but this is not
practical for most remote assistance situations as it requires jaws on
both ends of the connection).

Even switching to lower quality voices isn't likely to help as by the
time the sound information is being sent it has already been rendered
to a full-quality audio stream.

On 6/7/17, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Jim says that same thing, that he can't see what I'm talking
about or what he hears JAWS saying.

Best From,

Carolyn



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A program that duplicates what is on the screen?

Here is my problem. When phoning Microsoft disability help
line, what JAWS is reading out to me is different to what
they are seeing on my laptop screen. I know JAWS is about
15 seconds behind the instruction I am given by the help
desk. But, they can't see the problem I am having because
as a sighted person explained to me, "David, I have no idea
where you are on the screen." She was sitting next to me,
Microsoft was doing a remote access. The specific problem?
Setting up a VPN. The server says I am not connected yet
the person at Microsoft could not see that problem and had
no idea what I was talking about. What screen readers read
out is not the same as what the sighted see. Is JAWS
capable of duplicating what the sighted see on the computer
screen? It's maddening when you have a problem and the
sighted cannot see it. It could also be as simple as, the
person at Microsoft can't see what is under their own nose.
Who, knows.






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soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: running a dos program

Michelle's Home Emails
 

Hi there Sieghard

What about command prompt to access this you will need to open it with admin privileges. "
Michelle

Sent from Michelle's iPhone

On 8 Jun 2017, at 10:10 am, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Any version of Windows including Windows 10 will give you a command prompt, just type "cmd" into the run command.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: running a dos program

Hey guys,

OK, this may seem like i'm going back to the dark ages, and OK, yeah it sure is. I have to program some radios, and typical motorola they actually have some dos software. Is there any sort of program that can give me a dos prommpt so i can run the software? If not, that's totally ok. Figured i would ask, if jaws 18 would even run with such a program.






Re: Programming Language

Soronel Haetir
 

Not just any program, the needed information needs to be available
somehow and not all programs give even this much.

The scripting language is for situations where the information is
available, just not in the usual way (else jaws would have picked up
on whatever is to be read with no additional work).

On 6/7/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
JAWS includes a programming language that allows it to be customized to
work with any Windows application. This programming language is commonly
referred to as JAWS Scripting and is a programming language that is
proprietary to JAWS. It is sometimes called JSL.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 1:54 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

I'm not a programmer, but I thought Jaws had a proprietary programming
language that you have to use to program for Jaws?

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

No, accessibility is not particularly dependent upon the programming
language used. For windows I would suggest starting with a .net
language like c# or vb.net and using the Windows Forms project type
(it is older and no longer recommended but it produces accessible
programs with basically no additional work on the part of the
programmer unlike the newer Windows Presentation Foundation which
requires that the programmer remember to implement the ToString
function especially). I have even seen plenty of programs from MS
where this basic step was missed.

On 6/6/17, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
How would I design an app that can be fully recognized by screenreaders
like
JAWS? Is there a specific programming language I may have to learn? I could
be wrong, but isn't there a specific set of language codes that should be
implemented, like how JAWS recognizes the browser of the Windows Operating
Systems, for example, that which is found within Windows Explorer? I'd like
to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus
Johnson, but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons,
checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just
write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this
one!


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Re: running a dos program

Soronel Haetir
 

And note that if the programs are actually DOS based (that is 16-bit
programs) and you are running a 64-bit version of windows you are
going to have to jump through some major hoops. With 64-bit windows
you can not run 16-bit programs natively, you have to use a 32-bit
virtual machine.

cmd.exe looks a lot like DOS but it is most definitely _not_ DOS.

On 6/7/17, Vaughan Dodd <vdodd001@vodafone.co.nz> wrote:
Yes: but you need to be something of an old style dos operator. There
are many commands still available for assisting with system maintenance
but documentation as to what those commands are and what they do is hard
to find.

I can recall having a persistent Outlook error which was solved by
running a utility only available from the command prompt.

I suspect that JFW will behave similarly to Window-Eyes - that is - no
form of review or customisation. You command - and you get!

Vaughan.



On 6/8/2017 1:10 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know just how close to this you can get with Windows now days,
but
are you able to do anything with the command prompt?
Have a look at any book or tutorial on Microsoft PowerShell.







--
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soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Richard Turner
 

Off that page is one just for Skype. It too has a 30 day free trial. Here is the link to that page.

https://applian.com/replay-telecorder/


HTH,
Richard




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On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:07 PM, HH. Smith Jr. <teos1@islands.vi> wrote:

Hi,

I use the applian suite at:

https://applian.com/windows/

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 1:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Total Recorder can record a skype call, I don't know if it records video of
the call, however.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:22:52 -0400,
Mich Verrier wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>] hi you can use skype
recorder all though i don?t know how to use it how ever i have herd of it.
from Mich.
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Hello All,

I have the latest version of Skype, the auto update gave me a new version
a few days ago. I am running JAWS 17, latest version, and Windows 10 with
all the latest updates.

I have an important Skype call coming up as soon as Friday, and I was
wondering if there is a JAWS accessible way of recording the call,
including the video of the other participants, and play it back? If there
is a non-accessible way that involves a sighted person clicking something,
please let me know that as well and I will make the necessary arrangements
to have someone here to do that. Lastly, can I set up Skype to record all
calls without me having to manually start each time? Please advise, and much
thanks.

Tim Ford

--
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you spend it?

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Re: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi,

I use the applian suite at:

https://applian.com/windows/

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 1:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Total Recorder can record a skype call, I don't know if it records video of
the call, however.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:22:52 -0400,
Mich Verrier wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>] hi you can use skype
recorder all though i don?t know how to use it how ever i have herd of it.
from Mich.
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Hello All,

I have the latest version of Skype, the auto update gave me a new version
a few days ago. I am running JAWS 17, latest version, and Windows 10 with
all the latest updates.

I have an important Skype call coming up as soon as Friday, and I was
wondering if there is a JAWS accessible way of recording the call,
including the video of the other participants, and play it back? If there
is a non-accessible way that involves a sighted person clicking something,
please let me know that as well and I will make the necessary arrangements
to have someone here to do that. Lastly, can I set up Skype to record all
calls without me having to manually start each time? Please advise, and much
thanks.

Tim Ford

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici
covici@ccs.covici.com