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Re: Forms Mode in IE Was: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Adrian Spratt

#4988

I'm assuming Marsha  has encountered what I have, which are webpages that
JAWS 10 and later can't handle correctly, whereas pre-10 versions can. It
has nothing to do with the old method of filling out forms. I find it
annoying to have to remember that old method when I switch over to 9 on a
page that 11/12 can't process.

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Subject: Forms Mode in IE Was: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Marsha

Are you referring to filling out forms on the internet? The auto forms mode
in later versions works very well so you no longer need to press the Enter
key to open edit fields.

Dave Carlson
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From: "Marsha" <marcatony@...>
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 09:04
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

HI
 I often switch between Jaws 12 and 7.  Jaws 7 can fill out forms that can't
be filled by any other version, or at least I don't know how to do it.  I
have short cut keys so it isn't difficult.There doesn't seem to be a
problem.  I also have versions 10 and 11.

Marsha.

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Re: [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

Adrian Spratt

#4989

Yes, JAWS 9 also enables me to complete forms that I can't access with later
versions. Presumably, it's a result of that JAWS 10 video chain change,
whatever that entailed. Users might find it worth the minor annoyance of
retaining a pre-10 version of JAWS for this reason.

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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

HI
 I often switch between Jaws 12 and 7.  Jaws 7 can fill out forms that can't
be filled by any other version, or at least I don't know how to do it.  I
have short cut keys so it isn't difficult.There doesn't seem to be a
problem.  I also have versions 10 and 11.

Marsha. 

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Re: [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>

#4987

I have not found any forms that I can fill out with 7 that I can't fill out with later versions. My newest version is 11. Can you give an example so I could check?

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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

HI
I often switch between Jaws 12 and 7.  Jaws 7 can fill out forms that can't
be filled by any other version, or at least I don't know how to do it.  I
have short cut keys so it isn't difficult.There doesn't seem to be a
problem.  I also have versions 10 and 11.

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Forms Mode in IE Was: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Dave...

#4986

Marsha

Are you referring to filling out forms on the internet? The auto forms mode 
in later versions works very well so you no longer need to press the Enter 
key to open edit fields.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

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From: "Marsha" <marcatony@...>
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 09:04
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

HI
 I often switch between Jaws 12 and 7.  Jaws 7 can fill out forms that can't
be filled by any other version, or at least I don't know how to do it.  I
have short cut keys so it isn't difficult.There doesn't seem to be a
problem.  I also have versions 10 and 11.

Marsha.

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Re: [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

Dave...

#4985

Then you are one of the few fortunate ones. I had to have my IT guy come 
over, talk to FS on the phone, and clean out registry keys with no speech.

Dave Carlson
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From: "Rick Roderick" <rickrod@...>
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 07:48
Subject: [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

I removed 9, 10, and 11, and had no trouble.  JAWS 13 started up just fine.
I doublechecked that I didn't remove either common files or personal
settings.

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Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Lois

#4984

When you go into the add/remove programs on the control panel and tell it to remove a version of JAWS, it will act like it's going to install it; but a few steps along, it will tell you it is removing it and will ask if you wish to keep associated files.  If this worries you, allowing the files to remain on your system will not harm anything.  But it will eventually remove what you have requested to be removed.
Hope this helps.
Lois Goodine.

Re: [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

Marsha <marcatony@...>

#4983

HI
 I often switch between Jaws 12 and 7.  Jaws 7 can fill out forms that can't 
be filled by any other version, or at least I don't know how to do it.  I 
have short cut keys so it isn't difficult.There doesn't seem to be a 
problem.  I also have versions 10 and 11.

Marsha.

Removing Older Versions of JFW

Rick Roderick <rickrod@...>

#4982

I removed 9, 10, and 11, and had no trouble.  JAWS 13 started up just fine. 
I doublechecked that I didn't remove either common files or personal 
settings.

Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

Dave...

#4981

Joni, Marsha, and Adrian,

Good that you all are not experiencing any problems switching back/forth. As 
Adrian has observed more than once on this list, the danger appears to be 
when removing one of the older versions when newer versions are installed. 
By "older" I mean JAWS 9 and lower, "newer" JAWS 10 and above. The change 
from VCM (video chain manager) to DCM (display chain manager) seems to set 
up a recipe for disaster when VCM is ripped out of the stack.

Have help ready at hand if you try this.

As to disc space -- Unless you still have a 10 Gb hard drive or less I 
wouldn't worry about having extra versions of JAWS sitting there.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 06:16
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Dave, I am  not Marsha, but I have swapped between JAWS 5 and 12 with no
problem.

I asked a tech support person at FS about deleting JAWS 4 and 5 just to pick
up a little hard disk space on my computer.  She thought it would be best to
keep them because she was afraid it might somehow break the video chain.
Since I am not very adventurous when it comes to computers, I decided not to
delete the older versions.

Joni
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Marsha,

Not surprised that JAWS 7 still has capabilities lost in later versions. But
I'd go nuts if I had to switch back that far. Also the video chain strategy
changed since then and I wonder if swapping from 7 to 10 or newer could
cause instability with your system. Do you swap between 7 and something new
like 10, 11, 12, or 13?

Dave Carlson

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Re: [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

Joni Colver <earlybird@...>

#4980

Dave, I am  not Marsha, but I have swapped between JAWS 5 and 12 with no 
problem.

I asked a tech support person at FS about deleting JAWS 4 and 5 just to pick 
up a little hard disk space on my computer.  She thought it would be best to 
keep them because she was afraid it might somehow break the video chain. 
Since I am not very adventurous when it comes to computers, I decided not to 
delete the older versions.

Joni

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Marsha,

Not surprised that JAWS 7 still has capabilities lost in later versions. But
I'd go nuts if I had to switch back that far. Also the video chain strategy
changed since then and I wonder if swapping from 7 to 10 or newer could
cause instability with your system. Do you swap between 7 and something new
like 10, 11, 12, or 13?

Dave Carlson

Re: [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

Adrian Spratt

#4979

I frequently switch between JAWS 9, which came out before the video chain
change, and JAWS 11/12 without consequences.

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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Marsha,

Not surprised that JAWS 7 still has capabilities lost in later versions. But
I'd go nuts if I had to switch back that far. Also the video chain strategy
changed since then and I wonder if swapping from 7 to 10 or newer could
cause instability with your system. Do you swap between 7 and something new
like 10, 11, 12, or 13?

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha" <marcatony@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 05:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

HI
  I still have Jaws 7 with my XP.  Believe it or not, there are still things
I can do with Jaws 7 that I am not able to do with other versions.  This is
one reason I don't want to upgrade to Windows 7.

Marsha

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Re: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep or no speech

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>

#4978

Press insert + space bar then press s.  That will turn speech off.  It's a
toggle, so just do the same thing to turn speech back on.  Hope that helps.

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On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep or no speech

Adrian, I put on keyboard help, then pressed insert plus spacebar.  I got a 
pair of ascending click tones just like when help was off.  Any following 
keypress did nothing obvious.

In the past, maybe back to version 8, I could press insert plus control plus

s and get a list of synthesizers (now voice profiles).  One of them was no 
speech.  No speech is not there any more.  I thought of creating a new voice

profile which had speech turned off and using it when I wanted braille only;

but I can't figure out how to get it done.

Any further suggestions?  Thanks.
Howard
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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep


It works in JAWS 11. Press insert-1 (the 1 above the letters) to go into 
key
identifier mode to confirm. Use the same mode to answer your earlier post.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:07 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep

insert spacebar then s gives me a pair of upward clicks; then the s does
nothing.  This is version 11.
Howard
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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep


Marsha,

How about Insert+Spacebar, then the letter "S"? Just remember to do it
again to turn it back on.

Dave Carlson
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Area
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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 07:25
Subject: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep


Hi
 How do I put jaws to sleep for an application?  I knew how to do it
in the earlier versions;  however can't find it in Jaws 12.  I want to
play the self-voicing accessible games.  Thanks for your help.

Marsha


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Re: [Bulk] Removing Older Versions of JFW

Dave...

#4977

Marsha,

Not surprised that JAWS 7 still has capabilities lost in later versions. But 
I'd go nuts if I had to switch back that far. Also the video chain strategy 
changed since then and I wonder if swapping from 7 to 10 or newer could 
cause instability with your system. Do you swap between 7 and something new 
like 10, 11, 12, or 13?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

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From: "Marsha" <marcatony@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 05:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

HI
  I still have Jaws 7 with my XP.  Believe it or not, there are still things
I can do with Jaws 7 that I am not able to do with other versions.  This is
one reason I don't want to upgrade to Windows 7.

Marsha

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Re: [Bulk] bulk

Dave...

#4976

Rick,

Which David? You didn't keep the message thread intact. In any case, it's 
your or someone's ISP that labels the subject automatically when the content 
is suspicious. You can check your ISP if you go to the actual web site for 
your mail, and look for spam protection or bulk mail. Since all ISPs are 
different I can't be more precise than that.

Personally I just put [bulk] in my JAWS dictionary file and have it speak a 
blank space. Then I never hear the annoyance.

Dave Carlson
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From: "Rick Roderick" <rickrod@...>
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 05:11
Subject: [Bulk] bulk


David,

Why do all your messages have [bulk] in the subject line?

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Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Marsha <marcatony@...>

#4975

HI
  I still have Jaws 7 with my XP.  Believe it or not, there are still things 
I can do with Jaws 7 that I am not able to do with other versions.  This is 
one reason I don't want to upgrade to Windows 7.

Marsha

Re: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep or no speech

Adrian Spratt

#4974

Howard,

Those tones are exactly what you want to hear. After that, press s. Then,
when in JAWS key identifier mode, you'll be told: 

"toggles whether synthesizer is muted."

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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep or no speech

Adrian, I put on keyboard help, then pressed insert plus spacebar.  I got a
pair of ascending click tones just like when help was off.  Any following
keypress did nothing obvious.

In the past, maybe back to version 8, I could press insert plus control plus
s and get a list of synthesizers (now voice profiles).  One of them was no
speech.  No speech is not there any more.  I thought of creating a new voice
profile which had speech turned off and using it when I wanted braille only;
but I can't figure out how to get it done.

Any further suggestions?  Thanks.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep

It works in JAWS 11. Press insert-1 (the 1 above the letters) to go into 
key
identifier mode to confirm. Use the same mode to answer your earlier post.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:07 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep

insert spacebar then s gives me a pair of upward clicks; then the s does
nothing.  This is version 11.
Howard
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From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep

Marsha,

How about Insert+Spacebar, then the letter "S"? Just remember to do it
again to turn it back on.

Dave Carlson
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Area
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From: "Marsha" <marcatony@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 07:25
Subject: [Bulk] Putting Jaws to sleep

Hi
 How do I put jaws to sleep for an application?  I knew how to do it
in the earlier versions;  however can't find it in Jaws 12.  I want to
play the self-voicing accessible games.  Thanks for your help.

Marsha

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Re: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Adrian Spratt

#4973

Tina,

First, instead of removing via add/remove programs in the control panel, go
to the version of JAWS you want in the programs menu. Click on that version
and arrow down to "uninstall." The wizard will take you through the process.

Second, my computer completely crashed when I removed JAWS 8, and I couldn't
get my later versions to read after that. I had to call on a computer
consultant for help, and he couldn't do so from a remote location because my
computer wouldn't boot up far enough. Other listers report similar
experiences when removing 8 and, as I recall, 7. I suggest you call on
sighted Assistance to ensure the versions of JAWS you keep still work after
the uninstall.

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On Behalf Of SingingHearts
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:05 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Removing Older Versions of JFW

Is it possible to remove older versions of JFW without adversely effecting
the current version in use? If so, how? When I try to use the add/remove
feature in the control panel, the installation wizard starts to come up.
Obviously I'm not interested in that since I'm trying to uninstall it.

Perplexed,
Tina C., who's trying to streamline things on her terribly cluttered desktop
PC

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bulk

Rick Roderick <rickrod@...>

#4972

David,

Why do all your messages have [bulk] in the subject line?

Re: Word 2007

Rose Combs <rosecombs@...>

#4971

I notice this in Outlook 2010 also, control backspace just says blank.  Very
annoying, if I did not have a braille display I would be even more annoyed
with this.  


Rose Combs
rosecombs@Q.com

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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:50 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Word 2007

Hello, all
I am using word 2007, jaws 13, window 7 home. When I want to delete a word,
JAWS does not mention the word that I am deleting. In the past word 2003 and
old jaws could do it. Do I need to setup something in jaws?


Holger Fiallo
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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] JAWS 13, and MS WORD'S "word count"

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>

#4970

Hello there;

Summary: Count the number of words, paragraphs, lines, or pages that make up
your Microsoft Word 2003 document.

Curious to know how many words make up your Microsoft Word 2003 document?
How about pages, paragraphs, or lines? For scholastic types, this
information may be useful if you are doing a book report or essay.
Professional writers or budding columnists may need this information before
sending their works to an editor.

To display the word count, click "Tools" - "Word Count". A "Word Count"
dialog box will appear. 

* Note that footnote and endnote text is not tabulated in the word count. To
change this, check "Include footnotes and endnotes".

* Need to keep this information onscreen at all times? Click the "Show
toolbar" button. A "Word Count" toolbar will appear displaying the total
word count. Note that this information will not automatically recalculate -
you must click the "Recount" button for the accurate total. Also, if you
need the line count, page count, etc., just click the toolbar's pull-down to
display all relative information.

Note that you don't have to display the word, paragraph, line, and page
counts for the entire document. You can also select a portion of the
document, then click "Tools" - "Word Count" or click the "Recount" button of
the "Word Count" toolbar if it is visible.

So, using the keyboard,
One would probably alt+t for tools,
And then press w=word-count.
I suspect, you would have to route jaws to pc to read the information.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: JAWS 13, and MS WORD'S "word count"

Hello there;

Well, the f6key definitely works in word2007, and word2010.




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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: JAWS 13, and MS WORD'S "word count"

Kimber,

What version of MS-word?
Dave Carlson
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From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:46
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: JAWS 13, and MS WORD'S "word count"


Hmm, not sure why it doesn't do that for me.

On 11/16/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Kimber,

Pressing f6 more than once should route it through 2 or 3 different panes,
including the status bar, document area, and ribbon.
Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 07:05
Subject: [Bulk] Re: JAWS 13, and MS WORD'S "word count"


On 11/16/11, George B <gbmagoo@...> wrote:
open a word doc.
do f6 to you are in the status lineF6 doesn't take me to the status line. The only thing that happens
when I hit f6 in a word document is I hear "document pane."

Kimber

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