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Jaws find and find next

Don H
 

Running Win 10 64 bit Creator edition and latest version of Jaws. I understand the find command to be either Control F or insert Control F. I also under the find next command to be Insert F3. This works well when in a word document however the find next insert F3 does not work if you are searching a web page. Is there another find next command for searching a web page.


Re: Vocalizors and their people

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brenda. Here's what Google says about Siri.
Many of us are familiar with Apple's iOS assistant - but have you ever
thought about the lives behind the voice that answers your queries and
requests?


Karen Jacobsen, Jon Briggs and Susan Bennett - but you will know them all as
Siri.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brenda
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

so who is male Siri?


On 5/24/2017 2:30 PM, Mario wrote:
as I know, Karen is Karen Jacobsen of Australia and Daniel is John
Cribbs of England. BTW, Siri is Susan Bennet of Alabama.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people

Hello,
Wouldn't it be cool if we actually knew these people as they
originally wer/are? However, some/most might've died out but left heir
recordings to use for voices with JAWS/decktalk and other things. BY the
way, I believe Caren's already married to Lee-another Australian, you
know? This is just my opinion.


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)<mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

That's our girl! Hope Colleen never finds out.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Are you talking about Karen from Australia?
Man, I've had some big time fun writing scripts for her to say!
And that's all I got to say about that! LOL!

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

How about slowing down your listening speed? LOL. The JAWS diffult is
set to 15, slower then snails.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, pilgrim, how 'bout The duke reading your shopping list oh, how I
wish I could write that in Winterset, Iowa dialect)! I'm personally a
fan of Vocalizer's Karen, but reading at my speed means I can't use any
of them, except Eloquence, for very long.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, "sexy" is in the ear of the beholder, that's for sure.

I've found some of the "foreign" (for the United States) accented voices
on Garmin, particularly one of the British female and Australian male,
voices to be rather mellifluous and somewhat sexy. Everyone's mileage
will, of course, vary,

I don't find, for instance, the SAPI voice "Microsoft David" that I use
with NVDA "sexy" but I do find it, in many instances, particularly when
it's reading through something at beyond the letter or word levels to be
remarkably lifelike in most instances.

Not knowing the synthesizers that various people are using it's
impossible to suggest generic ways to search for a "sexy" voice for
them, but I'd be willing to bet that someone has created them, even if
they're not commercially available, but it's a matter of finding them.
Inflection, breathiness (or lack thereof), and vowel duration are a lot
of what get's tagged as "sexy" when you think about voices in real
people that are described as sexy. These are parameters that it's
possible to control in a speech synthesizer.

It would be an absolute riot to create a "femme fatale" or the male
counterpart thereof synthesized voices for use with anything, screen
reader or not. I don't think that anyone would use the most "over the
top" versions for any period of time, but they could make for great
entertainment value over a short term.

--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution
is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great
things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely
Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.








Re: Vocalizors and their people

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I think what she is asking is, not the name they give the male voice of
Ceri, but who was the male who did the voiceOvers for the male Ceri, as did
Susan Miller for the female voice.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James
Malone
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

I think its Alex.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brenda
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

so who is male Siri?


On 5/24/2017 2:30 PM, Mario wrote:
as I know, Karen is Karen Jacobsen of Australia and Daniel is John
Cribbs of England. BTW, Siri is Susan Bennet of Alabama.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people

Hello,
Wouldn't it be cool if we actually knew these people as they
originally wer/are? However, some/most might've died out but left heir
recordings to use for voices with JAWS/decktalk and other things. BY
the way, I believe Caren's already married to Lee-another Australian,
you know? This is just my opinion.


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)<mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

That's our girl! Hope Colleen never finds out.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Are you talking about Karen from Australia?
Man, I've had some big time fun writing scripts for her to say!
And that's all I got to say about that! LOL!

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

How about slowing down your listening speed? LOL. The JAWS diffult
is set to 15, slower then snails.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, pilgrim, how 'bout The duke reading your shopping list oh, how I
wish I could write that in Winterset, Iowa dialect)! I'm personally a
fan of Vocalizer's Karen, but reading at my speed means I can't use
any of them, except Eloquence, for very long.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, "sexy" is in the ear of the beholder, that's for sure.

I've found some of the "foreign" (for the United States) accented
voices on Garmin, particularly one of the British female and
Australian male, voices to be rather mellifluous and somewhat sexy.
Everyone's mileage will, of course, vary,

I don't find, for instance, the SAPI voice "Microsoft David" that I
use with NVDA "sexy" but I do find it, in many instances, particularly
when it's reading through something at beyond the letter or word
levels to be remarkably lifelike in most instances.

Not knowing the synthesizers that various people are using it's
impossible to suggest generic ways to search for a "sexy" voice for
them, but I'd be willing to bet that someone has created them, even if
they're not commercially available, but it's a matter of finding them.
Inflection, breathiness (or lack thereof), and vowel duration are a
lot of what get's tagged as "sexy" when you think about voices in real
people that are described as sexy. These are parameters that it's
possible to control in a speech synthesizer.

It would be an absolute riot to create a "femme fatale" or the male
counterpart thereof synthesized voices for use with anything, screen
reader or not. I don't think that anyone would use the most "over the
top" versions for any period of time, but they could make for great
entertainment value over a short term.

--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the
Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon
which great things have been and still will be built. Many things
that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are
allowed under it.








Re: Vocalizors and their people

James Malone
 

I think its Alex.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brenda
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

so who is male Siri?


On 5/24/2017 2:30 PM, Mario wrote:
as I know, Karen is Karen Jacobsen of Australia and Daniel is John
Cribbs of England. BTW, Siri is Susan Bennet of Alabama.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people

Hello,
Wouldn't it be cool if we actually knew these people as they
originally wer/are? However, some/most might've died out but left heir
recordings to use for voices with JAWS/decktalk and other things. BY
the way, I believe Caren's already married to Lee-another Australian,
you know? This is just my opinion.


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)<mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

That's our girl! Hope Colleen never finds out.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Are you talking about Karen from Australia?
Man, I've had some big time fun writing scripts for her to say!
And that's all I got to say about that! LOL!

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

How about slowing down your listening speed? LOL. The JAWS diffult
is set to 15, slower then snails.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, pilgrim, how 'bout The duke reading your shopping list oh, how I
wish I could write that in Winterset, Iowa dialect)! I'm personally a
fan of Vocalizer's Karen, but reading at my speed means I can't use
any of them, except Eloquence, for very long.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, "sexy" is in the ear of the beholder, that's for sure.

I've found some of the "foreign" (for the United States) accented
voices on Garmin, particularly one of the British female and
Australian male, voices to be rather mellifluous and somewhat sexy.
Everyone's mileage will, of course, vary,

I don't find, for instance, the SAPI voice "Microsoft David" that I
use with NVDA "sexy" but I do find it, in many instances, particularly
when it's reading through something at beyond the letter or word
levels to be remarkably lifelike in most instances.

Not knowing the synthesizers that various people are using it's
impossible to suggest generic ways to search for a "sexy" voice for
them, but I'd be willing to bet that someone has created them, even if
they're not commercially available, but it's a matter of finding them.
Inflection, breathiness (or lack thereof), and vowel duration are a
lot of what get's tagged as "sexy" when you think about voices in real
people that are described as sexy. These are parameters that it's
possible to control in a speech synthesizer.

It would be an absolute riot to create a "femme fatale" or the male
counterpart thereof synthesized voices for use with anything, screen
reader or not. I don't think that anyone would use the most "over the
top" versions for any period of time, but they could make for great
entertainment value over a short term.

--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the
Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon
which great things have been and still will be built. Many things
that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are
allowed under it.








Re: Vocalizors and their people

Brenda <bjnite@...>
 

so who is male Siri?

On 5/24/2017 2:30 PM, Mario wrote:
as I know, Karen is Karen Jacobsen of Australia and Daniel is John
Cribbs of England. BTW, Siri is Susan Bennet of Alabama.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people
Hello,
Wouldn’t it be cool if we actually knew these people as they
originally wer/are? However, some/most might’ve died out but left heir
recordings to use for voices with JAWS/decktalk and other things. BY the
way, I believe Caren’s already married to Lee—another Australian, you
know? This is just my opinion.
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)<mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this
That’s our girl! Hope Colleen never finds out.
Ted
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this
Are you talking about Karen from Australia?
Man, I’ve had some big time fun writing scripts for her to say!
And that’s all I got to say about that! LOL!
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this
How about slowing down your listening speed? LOL. The JAWS diffult is
set to 15, slower then snails.
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this
Well, pilgrim, how ‘bout The duke reading your shopping list oh, how I
wish I could write that in Winterset, Iowa dialect)! I’m personally a
fan of Vocalizer’s Karen, but reading at my speed means I can’t use any
of them, except Eloquence, for very long.
Ted
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this
Well, "sexy" is in the ear of the beholder, that's for sure.
I've found some of the "foreign" (for the United States) accented voices
on Garmin, particularly one of the British female and Australian male,
voices to be rather mellifluous and somewhat sexy. Everyone's mileage
will, of course, vary,
I don't find, for instance, the SAPI voice "Microsoft David" that I use
with NVDA "sexy" but I do find it, in many instances, particularly when
it's reading through something at beyond the letter or word levels to be
remarkably lifelike in most instances.
Not knowing the synthesizers that various people are using it's
impossible to suggest generic ways to search for a "sexy" voice for
them, but I'd be willing to bet that someone has created them, even if
they're not commercially available, but it's a matter of finding them.
Inflection, breathiness (or lack thereof), and vowel duration are a lot
of what get's tagged as "sexy" when you think about voices in real
people that are described as sexy. These are parameters that it's
possible to control in a speech synthesizer.
It would be an absolute riot to create a "femme fatale" or the male
counterpart thereof synthesized voices for use with anything, screen
reader or not. I don't think that anyone would use the most "over the
top" versions for any period of time, but they could make for great
entertainment value over a short term.
--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit
Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution
is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great
things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely
Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

Michael Mote
 

Windows 10, Excel 2016!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

 

Windows version? Excel version?

Dave

Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Michael Mote <miketmote73@...> wrote:

Good afternoon everyone!  I’m working with a client who is having major problems with an Excel spreadsheet.  The problem occurs when he is making edits to cells within the spreadsheet.  JAWS will stop responding, and then try to reload.  Still, he is not able to navigate through the spreadsheet.  Eventually, he has to close Excel by going into the task manager, and closing it that way.  This is hampering his work.  We have performed a JAWS repair, with no luck.  We have contacted MS accessibility, and they say they are able to navigate through the spreadsheet, with JAWS still running.  I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to resolve this one.  He is running the current build of JAWS 18 that was released on Monday of this week.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 


Re: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

Dave...
 

Windows version? Excel version?

Dave
Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Michael Mote <miketmote73@...> wrote:

Good afternoon everyone!  I’m working with a client who is having major problems with an Excel spreadsheet.  The problem occurs when he is making edits to cells within the spreadsheet.  JAWS will stop responding, and then try to reload.  Still, he is not able to navigate through the spreadsheet.  Eventually, he has to close Excel by going into the task manager, and closing it that way.  This is hampering his work.  We have performed a JAWS repair, with no luck.  We have contacted MS accessibility, and they say they are able to navigate through the spreadsheet, with JAWS still running.  I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to resolve this one.  He is running the current build of JAWS 18 that was released on Monday of this week.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 


Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

Michael Mote
 

Good afternoon everyone!  I’m working with a client who is having major problems with an Excel spreadsheet.  The problem occurs when he is making edits to cells within the spreadsheet.  JAWS will stop responding, and then try to reload.  Still, he is not able to navigate through the spreadsheet.  Eventually, he has to close Excel by going into the task manager, and closing it that way.  This is hampering his work.  We have performed a JAWS repair, with no luck.  We have contacted MS accessibility, and they say they are able to navigate through the spreadsheet, with JAWS still running.  I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to resolve this one.  He is running the current build of JAWS 18 that was released on Monday of this week.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 


Accessible Software

Miranda Brown
 

Hello Everyone,

 

I am new to the group and have some questions J

Does anyone use JAWS with Quickbooks?

Does anyone use JAWS with the PSPP statistical software?

 

Thank you

 

Miranda Brown

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Re: tracking

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I don't think FS would do this first of all and second no it doesn't need the web to be used.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: tracking

Has the subject ever came up about FS being able through jaws to track what you do while using jaws? Does jaws have to be able to connect to the web to work?


locked A Small Interjection

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Tim, please accept heart-felt condolences for both of you.  I haven’t had the greatest year in the world, and don’t really have my land legs yet.  But God promised me, as he did St. Paul, that he would give me the strength I so badly need.

 

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

 

Getting a bit over the top, methinkx.

Dave

Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Tim Ford <ttford@...> wrote:

Maybe we can leave it as agreeing to disagree.  I note that only a small fraction of the nearly 700 members on this list do any posting, probably well below 5%, and the 95% would greatly benefit and appreciate from the tiny burden and courtesy of asking those 5% to use more specific, meaningful, and up to date subject lines.  I have said my peace!

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes. since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming anything, see my previous post.

 

James,

List Admin

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi James,

 

I will contact you in the future.  In the past, when I did my occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you note from the administrator.  Frankly I think the guidelines need to be tightened, although all I am asking for should be considered as nothing more than simple respect for other people’s time and effort.  I have been a list moderator, and would not do so again, because of getting notes from grumpy people like me!  Frankly though, I think this is such a large membership list that we need as a community to ask those very few individuals to simply follow the basic rules I learned in my office email class.  They said to make the subject line descriptive so the recipient could decide whether they needed to read it.  They also said to explain up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could then decide to break off and move on. 

 

Tim Ford

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.

 

In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled accordingly.

 

James,

List Admin

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi Folks,

 

My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am.  A significant number of discussion threads on this list recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject.  Many of us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read.  All of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like this one “Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!  Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work
--
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locked Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

James Homuth
 

Your advice is appreciated, but not required. particularly as that has already been done.
 
James,
List Admin


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May-24-17 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Then please take it up with Mr. Ford.

You have the ability to stop this and many of us are as frustrated as you are  and have been holding our tongues.
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locked Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

 

Then please take it up with Mr. Ford.

You have the ability to stop this and many of us are as frustrated as you are  and have been holding our tongues.
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Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

This was a 3D, called Lucid 3D. It was radical for DOS. It was, perhaps, the coolest spreadsheet I ever used.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Yes, the formulas are what make spread sheets invaluable.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

I haven’t made serious use of a spreadsheet for a good while. Around here it’s mostly tabular. During my university days I designed a really handy grade sheet. When I entered the last exam grade, I was done. I had set up several 3D associations, so averaging (combining book reports, regular exams, mid-term, and final—was done according to preset formulas.



Ted



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this



On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am! Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work.
--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: change of heart on caps lock as modifier

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That's for sure. I think I've seen one app in 31 years that actually uses it, and that's to clear the screen for a password reset.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change of heart on caps lock as modifier

Scroll Lock would be a good one to use, because as far as I am concerned, it is definitely expendable.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: change of heart on caps lock as modifier

Well, I went back and tried the caps lock key again. This time, it worked as it should. Now, if I use caps-J, the Jaws window opens. It has worked every time I pressed it this morning. My biggest drawback was that I could not open the Jaws settings before with the caps lock key.

Also, for those of us that did not know, and I am not sure why but someone may wish to use this, the scroll lock key can also be used as a modifier.

Carol


Re: Quicken

Stan Holdeman
 

Keep us posted on how you get along with Q 2017.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quicken

Thanks to Les and Stan. That sounds about like the access I had with Window Eyes. Quicken is offering a 60-day money back guarantee on trying Quicken 2017 and they say they've revamped the interface, which could go either way on accessibility. I lost a year's worth of Quicken files due to a computer crash last summer, so I'm going to start fresh and maybe given Quicken 2017 a try. I tried the Cash Manager software someone else mentioned and didn't have the patience to figure it out; it was not intuitive. Like Les, I'm mainly tracking spending categories for my accountant and our family budgeting.





-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quicken

Hi Robin,

I'm using it for downloading of transactions into various accounts. You can tab through the check registries, but often, double entries are read.
Accessibility needs lots of work. As mentioned, Intuit sold the Quicken product to Quicken itself. The web site is quicken.com. They provide support, but it depends on who you get when you call. I use it now because I want to categorize transactions for tax purposes for our accountant. If there was another viable option, I'd take it. I will probably add investment accounts to my accounts list, something I don't think other programs support. Cash Management had some potential, but they didn't support the Quicken format, and there was poor follow-up from their contact when I approached them about this issue. Every package I know of supports the Quicken format, so that was disappointing. Hope this helps.

Les

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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quicken

Anyone using JAWS with Quicken? I'll be moving to JAWS from Window-Eyes, which has some level of accessibility with the personal Quicken.







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locked Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

James Homuth
 

This is being delt with off-list, as I requested it be yesterday. I've about had my fill of making that request multiple times.
 
James,
List Admin


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: May-24-17 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Getting a bit over the top, methinkx.

Dave
Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Tim Ford <ttford@...> wrote:

Maybe we can leave it as agreeing to disagree.  I note that only a small fraction of the nearly 700 members on this list do any posting, probably well below 5%, and the 95% would greatly benefit and appreciate from the tiny burden and courtesy of asking those 5% to use more specific, meaningful, and up to date subject lines.  I have said my peace!

Tim Ford

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes. since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming anything, see my previous post.

James,

List Admin


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi James,

I will contact you in the future.  In the past, when I did my occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you note from the administrator.  Frankly I think the guidelines need to be tightened, although all I am asking for should be considered as nothing more than simple respect for other people’s time and effort.  I have been a list moderator, and would not do so again, because of getting notes from grumpy people like me!  Frankly though, I think this is such a large membership list that we need as a community to ask those very few individuals to simply follow the basic rules I learned in my office email class.  They said to make the subject line descriptive so the recipient could decide whether they needed to read it.  They also said to explain up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could then decide to break off and move on. 

Tim Ford

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.

In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled accordingly.

James,

List Admin


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi Folks,

My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am.  A significant number of discussion threads on this list recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject.  Many of us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read.  All of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like this one “Do not have liquids when listening to this

Thanks,

Tim Ford

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!  Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit


locked Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Dave...
 

Getting a bit over the top, methinkx.

Dave
Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Tim Ford <ttford@...> wrote:

Maybe we can leave it as agreeing to disagree.  I note that only a small fraction of the nearly 700 members on this list do any posting, probably well below 5%, and the 95% would greatly benefit and appreciate from the tiny burden and courtesy of asking those 5% to use more specific, meaningful, and up to date subject lines.  I have said my peace!

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes. since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming anything, see my previous post.

 

James,

List Admin

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi James,

 

I will contact you in the future.  In the past, when I did my occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you note from the administrator.  Frankly I think the guidelines need to be tightened, although all I am asking for should be considered as nothing more than simple respect for other people’s time and effort.  I have been a list moderator, and would not do so again, because of getting notes from grumpy people like me!  Frankly though, I think this is such a large membership list that we need as a community to ask those very few individuals to simply follow the basic rules I learned in my office email class.  They said to make the subject line descriptive so the recipient could decide whether they needed to read it.  They also said to explain up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could then decide to break off and move on. 

 

Tim Ford

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.

 

In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled accordingly.

 

James,

List Admin

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi Folks,

 

My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am.  A significant number of discussion threads on this list recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject.  Many of us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read.  All of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like this one “Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!  Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit


locked Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Tim Ford
 

Maybe we can leave it as agreeing to disagree.  I note that only a small fraction of the nearly 700 members on this list do any posting, probably well below 5%, and the 95% would greatly benefit and appreciate from the tiny burden and courtesy of asking those 5% to use more specific, meaningful, and up to date subject lines.  I have said my peace!

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes. since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming anything, see my previous post.

 

James,

List Admin

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi James,

 

I will contact you in the future.  In the past, when I did my occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you note from the administrator.  Frankly I think the guidelines need to be tightened, although all I am asking for should be considered as nothing more than simple respect for other people’s time and effort.  I have been a list moderator, and would not do so again, because of getting notes from grumpy people like me!  Frankly though, I think this is such a large membership list that we need as a community to ask those very few individuals to simply follow the basic rules I learned in my office email class.  They said to make the subject line descriptive so the recipient could decide whether they needed to read it.  They also said to explain up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could then decide to break off and move on. 

 

Tim Ford

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.

 

In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled accordingly.

 

James,

List Admin

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi Folks,

 

My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am.  A significant number of discussion threads on this list recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject.  Many of us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read.  All of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like this one “Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!  Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit


Re: say all

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

You just press Insert-Down Arrow again to start reading again. It is going to start at the beginning of the line you left or sentence, not sure which, but it will start again; I tried it before sending this.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: say all

OK I see that insert down arrow starts a read all. I also see if you hit the control during the read it stops reading.
Now my question is how do you continue the reading from the point you stopped the say all?
Thanks