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Re: data tables - associating the data cell with the header

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello and welcome,

I am not sure what you wanted to accomplish, but

if you want to have Jaws announce the column header  as you arrow about the table, place the cursor in the header row and press alt, insert, control, C  or for the row header press R instead.

Cheers Kevin.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of util091@...
Sent: May 23, 2017 1:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: data tables - associating the data cell with the header

 

first time poster and first time JAWS user here

we marked up a data table and listened to it in JAWS, it told us how many rows and columns then read through the table.  According to our SOP we have to associate the cells to the headers so we just spent 2 tedious days going through each data cell and making the association in the table header editor tool.

When we listened to it in JAWS, there was no difference.  We looked at each other like "what was the point of that"  we still have a compliant document either way?


Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

Mario
 

the speech history concept came from the braille history that was
available for a long time, and finally became available to JAWS's speech
feature. I remember when Eric Damery announcing that it was finally
inplamented as speech history in an FSCast interview. I forgot what
version it became available.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:18 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speach history? was RE: indexing

Hi David and Shannon,

Just as with other features it is one you can use or not use, but many
long-time and experienced Jaws users do use it quite a lot.
As Mario pointed out, it allows you to go back and review something Jaws
said and as it displays all the information ina virtual viewer you can
select and copy the text very easily.
I find often that Jaws siad something I didn't get, maybe it was a
system message and via speech history I can go back and review it. Also,
sometimes it is not possible to copy and paste something and as long as
you can get Jaws to read it you can then pull it up and copy it.
Apple introduced a similar feature in iOS. Once Voiceover has spoken
something you can tap the screen four times quickly with 3 fingers and
the last spoken text is copied to the clipboard or, as Apple calls it,
the paste board.
When I provided examples earlier of how Jaws reads the content of a
folder in Windows Explorer I simply let Jaws read it and then copied it
from the speech history. This included the "1 of 5" or 2 of 5" Jaws
announces after speaking a folder or file name which otherwise you
cannot access.
If I want anything specific I first clear the speech history with the
layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by Shift+H, then I let Jaws
speak what I want to review or copy and then bring it up with Jaws
Key+Spacebar followed by H.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
& his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

Sorry, I missed the reason for having JAWS history. Why would one need a
history log for JAWS? Or, am I way off base with this one?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

What are the key strokes to get to JAWS History?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

it allows the copying and pasting of what JAWS exactly spoke while in
normal use, such as in navigating thru dialogs, error messages, and many
more instances. other users probably use the speech history in other
ways. I sure hope VFO keeps this very useful feature for future versions.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speach history? was RE: indexing

Hi all,
I have heard the Speech history feature talked of before.
It is mentioned below and was brought up in a discussion about password
fields.
What is it and why would you want it?
As I have heard it described it sounds like a text file of everything
that jaws has told you. Why do you want that?
Seems like a big waist to me.
Thanks
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

I am not sure why this isn't working for you, a Say Line for me includes
the "1 of 4" or whatever you have. Here is an example from one of my
folders, I use Jaws speech history which I first cleared, then I did my
thing and let Jaws speak and after that went into speech history with
the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H where I did a
select all and Control+C for copy:

First I am just using the arrows:
DHL
Lumber Yard
Bigrock 02-10-2017
Christmas 2016 Ad
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017

Now I am on the file Dental Invoices" and I do a say line:
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎10:24 AM Adobe Acrobat Document 71 KB
5 of 17

Say Line on DHL which is a folder not a file:
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17

Now I use Jaws Key+Tab, the keyboard help describes it as follows: "Says
the current Window + the associated prompt label":
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17
Date created: ‎11/‎16/‎2016 ‏‎8:50 PM
Size: 1.78 MB
Files: DHL Express eMailShip, DHL Volumetric Calculator, ...
There are other files in that folder, but visually you only see the
first two as well.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

Thanks for your replay but neither of these options will do more than
read the file you are on no index info is included.

On 5/23/2017 8:44 AM, Mario wrote:
in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the
current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which
"Says the current window and the associated prompt label."

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing

Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you
open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This
function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks



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Re: copy and paste again

Mario
 

indeed. thanks Mike.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:24 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: copy and paste again

Hi Mario,

You're not wrong, but you just learned something. Rather than me
explaining, just give the Insert, shift, + arrows keystrokes a try. I just
used the keystroke to copy this word: explaining
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mario
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: copy and paste again


Mike, I always thought shift+control+right moves to and selected the
next word, shift+control+left arrow moves to and selected the prior
word. and I don't recall the insert/JAWSKey ever being a part of the
command. am I wrong? please explain if I am.

------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: copy and paste again

Hi Don,

Shift + right arrow only selects the next character, use, Insert / Jaws key,
shift + right arrow, this command selects the next word.

Selecting / Highlighing text

Selecting a letter/character; Shift +left arrow selects prior character.
Shift + right arrow selects next character.

Selecting prior word; Insert/Jaws key, shift + left arrow or control,
shift, + left arrow.

Selecting next word; Insert/Jaws key, shift, + right arrow or control,
shift, + right arrow.

Selecting text from cursor to beginning of line; Shift + Home/7 key on
number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to end of line; Shift +End/1 on the number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to the end of a document; Control, shift, +
end/1 key on the number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to the beginning of a document; Control, shift,
+ home/7 key on the number pad.

Selecting more than 1 line of text; Hold the Shift key down while arrowing
up or down until you have selected/highlighted the lines you want.

Selecting all text; Control + A. This keystroke will select all the text
in a document no matter the size or length of the document.

to select a page at a time: shift page up or down

Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:52 AM
Subject: copy and paste again


OK surely copy and paste works better than my results so far. Today I
went to my cell phone carriers web page and looked up my billing info.
I found the amount due and used shift right arrow to select the amount
and then control c to copy the four digit number. The number I tried to
copy was 51.52. When I tried to paste the number on another web page to
pay the bill a control V gave the amount 2.00. Not even close. Surely
I am doing something wrong to get such poor results.
Thanks


Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I haven’t made serious use of a spreadsheet for a good while.  Around here it’s mostly tabular.  During my university days I designed a really handy grade sheet.  When I entered the last exam grade, I was done.  I had set up several 3D associations, so averaging (combining book reports, regular exams, mid-term, and final—was done according to preset formulas.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!  Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


change of heart on caps lock as modifier

Carol Smith
 

Well, I went back and tried the caps lock key again. This time, it worked as it should. Now, if I use caps-J, the Jaws window opens. It has worked every time I pressed it this morning. My biggest drawback was that I could not open the Jaws settings before with the caps lock key.

Also, for those of us that did not know, and I am not sure why but someone may wish to use this, the scroll lock key can also be used as a modifier.

Carol


locked Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

James Homuth
 

And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes. since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming anything, see my previous post.
 
James,
List Admin


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi James,

 

I will contact you in the future.  In the past, when I did my occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you note from the administrator.  Frankly I think the guidelines need to be tightened, although all I am asking for should be considered as nothing more than simple respect for other people’s time and effort.  I have been a list moderator, and would not do so again, because of getting notes from grumpy people like me!  Frankly though, I think this is such a large membership list that we need as a community to ask those very few individuals to simply follow the basic rules I learned in my office email class.  They said to make the subject line descriptive so the recipient could decide whether they needed to read it.  They also said to explain up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could then decide to break off and move on. 

 

Tim Ford

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.

 

In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled accordingly.

 

James,

List Admin

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi Folks,

 

My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am.  A significant number of discussion threads on this list recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject.  Many of us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read.  All of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like this one “Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!  Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: voices and pitch

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

Ha ha! Very funny? Brings a whole new meaning to the acronym JAWS, huh? However, I do like that JAWS logo as Ted Henter described it in a FS cast once—look this up if you’d like to; can’t remember which cast now, but it was on two parts—the part of how JAWS logo was set up was in first segment, I think.

Ashleigh Piccinino

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi David,

I think this email was great.  All dogs need a good place to unwind.
And, those Jaws users have a great opportunity for learning new things.

Carol



On 5/23/2017 5:03 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> We board unruly dogs.  Dogs that no other facility will board because the dog has issues such as growling at humans and/or other dogs because of being sequestered and, they basically have never been propperly socialized in the first place.  Or, have been terrorized by other dogs or humans. We have 2 staff dogs on the premisis at all times who help with the rehabilitation process, and have had as many as 5 boarders at one time. To keep this JAWS related, yes, they all have Jaws.  Huge Grin.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: voices and pitch
>
> You know, if they ever get the synthesized voices perfected, I wondered if they were going to put talking books on them.
>
> Bye for now,
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:10 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: voices and pitch
>
> So, how many dogs do you have? Haahaahaa
>
>  
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
> Sent: May 23, 2017 7:21 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: voices and pitch
>
>  
>
> I don’t know if this has been covered by you Carol but, to change the pitch, that feature is under the spell upper case function settings.
>
>  
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: voices and pitch
>
>  
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> OK, thanks.  This makes sense.  I will try it.  I sort of like all of the cursors sounding the same, but I suppose it would have advantages with separate voices.
>
> Carol
>
> On 5/22/2017 5:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>
>        You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.
>
>
>
>        From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
>        Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:51 PM
>        To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>        Subject: Re: voices and pitch
>
>
>
>        Hi Carol,
>
>
>
>        Try the following:
>
>        1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.
>
>        2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.
>
>        3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.
>
>        4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.
>
>        Take care, Mike.
>        Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
>
>        ----- Original Message -----
>
>        From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io <mailto:carollablady@...>
>
>        To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>
>        Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM
>
>        Subject: voices and pitch
>
>
>
>        Hi,
>       
>        Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
>        settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
>        this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
>        it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
>        voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
>        settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.
>       
>        Carol
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>


 


Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

David & his pack of dogs
 

Thanks. This was very helpful and in my case almost a necessity. As I work from home most of the time especially when checking or answering emails, I have chatty people or dogs around me so, reviewing what JAWS tells me is very important. Also, when traveling, the info on the IPhone is helpful as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

Hi David and Shannon,

Just as with other features it is one you can use or not use, but many long-time and experienced Jaws users do use it quite a lot.
As Mario pointed out, it allows you to go back and review something Jaws said and as it displays all the information ina virtual viewer you can select and copy the text very easily.
I find often that Jaws siad something I didn't get, maybe it was a system message and via speech history I can go back and review it. Also, sometimes it is not possible to copy and paste something and as long as you can get Jaws to read it you can then pull it up and copy it.
Apple introduced a similar feature in iOS. Once Voiceover has spoken something you can tap the screen four times quickly with 3 fingers and the last spoken text is copied to the clipboard or, as Apple calls it, the paste board.
When I provided examples earlier of how Jaws reads the content of a folder in Windows Explorer I simply let Jaws read it and then copied it from the speech history. This included the "1 of 5" or 2 of 5" Jaws announces after speaking a folder or file name which otherwise you cannot access.
If I want anything specific I first clear the speech history with the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by Shift+H, then I let Jaws speak what I want to review or copy and then bring it up with Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

Sorry, I missed the reason for having JAWS history. Why would one need a history log for JAWS? Or, am I way off base with this one?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

What are the key strokes to get to JAWS History?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

it allows the copying and pasting of what JAWS exactly spoke while in normal use, such as in navigating thru dialogs, error messages, and many more instances. other users probably use the speech history in other ways. I sure hope VFO keeps this very useful feature for future versions.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speach history? was RE: indexing

Hi all,
I have heard the Speech history feature talked of before.
It is mentioned below and was brought up in a discussion about password fields.
What is it and why would you want it?
As I have heard it described it sounds like a text file of everything that jaws has told you. Why do you want that?
Seems like a big waist to me.
Thanks
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

I am not sure why this isn't working for you, a Say Line for me includes the "1 of 4" or whatever you have. Here is an example from one of my folders, I use Jaws speech history which I first cleared, then I did my thing and let Jaws speak and after that went into speech history with the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H where I did a select all and Control+C for copy:

First I am just using the arrows:
DHL
Lumber Yard
Bigrock 02-10-2017
Christmas 2016 Ad
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017

Now I am on the file Dental Invoices" and I do a say line:
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎10:24 AM Adobe Acrobat Document 71 KB
5 of 17

Say Line on DHL which is a folder not a file:
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17

Now I use Jaws Key+Tab, the keyboard help describes it as follows: "Says the current Window + the associated prompt label":
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17
Date created: ‎11/‎16/‎2016 ‏‎8:50 PM
Size: 1.78 MB
Files: DHL Express eMailShip, DHL Volumetric Calculator, ...
There are other files in that folder, but visually you only see the first two as well.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

Thanks for your replay but neither of these options will do more than read the file you are on no index info is included.

On 5/23/2017 8:44 AM, Mario wrote:
in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which "Says the current window and the associated prompt label."

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing

Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks



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Re: Configuring braille display hotkeys

Vaughan Dodd
 

Hi again.

Not quite achieving what I am looking for: I cannot yet seem to find a way of adding the command on the display's keyboard.

I do understand the steps required as described, but it seems only to enable me to add a desktop key sequence.

Will keep looking.

Could of course be a HIMS issue as well.


Vaughan.

On 5/24/2017 2:20 PM, Lee Maschmeyer wrote:
Hi,

Jaws does have an auto advance facility. To find it:

First, look in Jaws Help to see if there's already something configured for your display. If there isn't:

1. Start the Jaws keyboard manager.

2. If your Braille display doesn't say "Default" (without the quotes) type "default" relatively fast. Probably just de will be enough.

3. Tab.

4. Type BrailleAutoAdvance.

With luck the next word(s) will be the key(s) to start and stop the auto advance mode. Without luck it'll say None.

5. If it says None press the down arrow a time or three and see if there's anything that looks like it might be relevant.

6. When you find the script you want and you don't like what it's fastened to, press Delete on the keys you don't want and then Ctrl+A to add the keys you want.

Good luck,


Re: voices

David & his pack of dogs
 

Well, in hearing both a human reader of a talking book and the synthetic speech. At least when the synthetic speech makes a mistake in pronunciation, you can ignore it. A human? Well, judge for yourself. The mispronounced word was compromise. It was read out as come promise. The mistake was made multiple times throughout the book. I thought, doesn't this woman realize what she is reading? Then it was brought out to me that not everyone listens to what they say. Which is a loaded comment. LOL. JAWS or NVDA, you can tweak the dictionary. Humans? Not all the time. Some get uppity no matter how kind you are.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

I doubt synthesized voices will be able to do what a good human reader can do for a very long time to come. I listen to Eloquence all day long when I am working and as far as I am concerned I don't understand why somebody would want to read an eBook with Voice Dream Reader or whatever other app. When I listen to a good novel I enjoy the narration often as much as I do the novel and I think if I could suddenly see again and could read printed books I would probably not do so.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

You know, if they ever get the synthesized voices perfected, I wondered if they were going to put talking books on them.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

So, how many dogs do you have? Haahaahaa



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: May 23, 2017 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



I don’t know if this has been covered by you Carol but, to change the pitch, that feature is under the spell upper case function settings.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



Hi Sieghard,

OK, thanks. This makes sense. I will try it. I sort of like all of the cursors sounding the same, but I suppose it would have advantages with separate voices.

Carol

On 5/22/2017 5:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



Hi Carol,



Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust. Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments. Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

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To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch



Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them. Is
this possible? For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy. On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me. Is there a way I can change the
settings? Also, does pitch work for other synthes? Thanks.

Carol


Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

 

Hi David and Shannon,

Just as with other features it is one you can use or not use, but many long-time and experienced Jaws users do use it quite a lot.
As Mario pointed out, it allows you to go back and review something Jaws said and as it displays all the information ina virtual viewer you can select and copy the text very easily.
I find often that Jaws siad something I didn't get, maybe it was a system message and via speech history I can go back and review it. Also, sometimes it is not possible to copy and paste something and as long as you can get Jaws to read it you can then pull it up and copy it.
Apple introduced a similar feature in iOS. Once Voiceover has spoken something you can tap the screen four times quickly with 3 fingers and the last spoken text is copied to the clipboard or, as Apple calls it, the paste board.
When I provided examples earlier of how Jaws reads the content of a folder in Windows Explorer I simply let Jaws read it and then copied it from the speech history. This included the "1 of 5" or 2 of 5" Jaws announces after speaking a folder or file name which otherwise you cannot access.
If I want anything specific I first clear the speech history with the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by Shift+H, then I let Jaws speak what I want to review or copy and then bring it up with Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

Sorry, I missed the reason for having JAWS history. Why would one need a history log for JAWS? Or, am I way off base with this one?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

What are the key strokes to get to JAWS History?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

it allows the copying and pasting of what JAWS exactly spoke while in normal use, such as in navigating thru dialogs, error messages, and many more instances. other users probably use the speech history in other ways. I sure hope VFO keeps this very useful feature for future versions.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speach history? was RE: indexing

Hi all,
I have heard the Speech history feature talked of before.
It is mentioned below and was brought up in a discussion about password fields.
What is it and why would you want it?
As I have heard it described it sounds like a text file of everything that jaws has told you. Why do you want that?
Seems like a big waist to me.
Thanks
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

I am not sure why this isn't working for you, a Say Line for me includes the "1 of 4" or whatever you have. Here is an example from one of my folders, I use Jaws speech history which I first cleared, then I did my thing and let Jaws speak and after that went into speech history with the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H where I did a select all and Control+C for copy:

First I am just using the arrows:
DHL
Lumber Yard
Bigrock 02-10-2017
Christmas 2016 Ad
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017

Now I am on the file Dental Invoices" and I do a say line:
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎10:24 AM Adobe Acrobat Document 71 KB
5 of 17

Say Line on DHL which is a folder not a file:
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17

Now I use Jaws Key+Tab, the keyboard help describes it as follows: "Says the current Window + the associated prompt label":
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17
Date created: ‎11/‎16/‎2016 ‏‎8:50 PM
Size: 1.78 MB
Files: DHL Express eMailShip, DHL Volumetric Calculator, ...
There are other files in that folder, but visually you only see the first two as well.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

Thanks for your replay but neither of these options will do more than read the file you are on no index info is included.

On 5/23/2017 8:44 AM, Mario wrote:
in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which "Says the current window and the associated prompt label."

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing

Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks



.















.


Re: Configuring braille display hotkeys

Vaughan Dodd
 

Thanks Lee.

Got half way there, so your instructions will be helpful.

Doesn't look as if the Edge has an assigned command for auto advance, but I've certainly found the help topic.

Now to go the full distance using your instructions with this.

Best.

Vaughan.

On 5/24/2017 2:20 PM, Lee Maschmeyer wrote:
Hi,

Jaws does have an auto advance facility. To find it:

First, look in Jaws Help to see if there's already something configured for your display. If there isn't:

1. Start the Jaws keyboard manager.

2. If your Braille display doesn't say "Default" (without the quotes) type "default" relatively fast. Probably just de will be enough.

3. Tab.

4. Type BrailleAutoAdvance.

With luck the next word(s) will be the key(s) to start and stop the auto advance mode. Without luck it'll say None.

5. If it says None press the down arrow a time or three and see if there's anything that looks like it might be relevant.

6. When you find the script you want and you don't like what it's fastened to, press Delete on the keys you don't want and then Ctrl+A to add the keys you want.

Good luck,


Re: voices and pitch

 

I doubt synthesized voices will be able to do what a good human reader can do for a very long time to come. I listen to Eloquence all day long when I am working and as far as I am concerned I don't understand why somebody would want to read an eBook with Voice Dream Reader or whatever other app. When I listen to a good novel I enjoy the narration often as much as I do the novel and I think if I could suddenly see again and could read printed books I would probably not do so.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

You know, if they ever get the synthesized voices perfected, I wondered if they were going to put talking books on them.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

So, how many dogs do you have? Haahaahaa



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: May 23, 2017 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



I don’t know if this has been covered by you Carol but, to change the pitch, that feature is under the spell upper case function settings.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



Hi Sieghard,

OK, thanks. This makes sense. I will try it. I sort of like all of the cursors sounding the same, but I suppose it would have advantages with separate voices.

Carol

On 5/22/2017 5:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



Hi Carol,



Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust. Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments. Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io <mailto:carollablady=aol.com@groups.io>

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch



Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them. Is
this possible? For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy. On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me. Is there a way I can change the
settings? Also, does pitch work for other synthes? Thanks.

Carol


Re: Quicken

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Hi Robin,

I'm using it for downloading of transactions into various accounts. You can
tab through the check registries, but often, double entries are read.
Accessibility needs lots of work. As mentioned, Intuit sold the Quicken
product to Quicken itself. The web site is quicken.com. They provide
support, but it depends on who you get when you call. I use it now because
I want to categorize transactions for tax purposes for our accountant. If
there was another viable option, I'd take it. I will probably add
investment accounts to my accounts list, something I don't think other
programs support. Cash Management had some potential, but they didn't
support the Quicken format, and there was poor follow-up from their contact
when I approached them about this issue. Every package I know of supports
the Quicken format, so that was disappointing. Hope this helps.

Les

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To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quicken

Anyone using JAWS with Quicken? I'll be moving to JAWS from Window-Eyes,
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Re: Configuring braille display hotkeys

Lee Maschmeyer
 

Hi,

Jaws does have an auto advance facility. To find it:

First, look in Jaws Help to see if there's already something configured for your display. If there isn't:

1. Start the Jaws keyboard manager.

2. If your Braille display doesn't say "Default" (without the quotes) type "default" relatively fast. Probably just de will be enough.

3. Tab.

4. Type BrailleAutoAdvance.

With luck the next word(s) will be the key(s) to start and stop the auto advance mode. Without luck it'll say None.

5. If it says None press the down arrow a time or three and see if there's anything that looks like it might be relevant.

6. When you find the script you want and you don't like what it's fastened to, press Delete on the keys you don't want and then Ctrl+A to add the keys you want.

Good luck,

--

Lee Maschmeyer

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."
--Lewis Carroll


Re: system tray

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Go to Settings: click the Windows key then type settings in the search box hit enter. tab once then arrow to personalization. Click on it. then tab once and arrow down to: task bar click on it. Then tab to decide what icons appear on the task bar then click on it... Then tab to the checkbox that says show all icons in the notification area

On 5/23/2017 6:57 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys. How do you tell it to show all in the system tray? Been
looking to find this out myself

On 5/23/17, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
I never could get Systems Try to read, and I have the latest JAWS and
Windows 10.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: system tray

Hi Don,

The only thing my insert-f11 didn't read was the clock. I have four other
items and it read all of them.

Carol


On 5/23/2017 7:27 PM, Don H wrote:
The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11
or control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system
tray. It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list
of two items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the
system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?










Re: system tray

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Then there is something wrong with the install... I have used Jaws for over 20 yres and this shortcut combo has always worked...

On 5/23/2017 4:54 PM, Don H wrote:
So if I simply tab around until I get to the system tray and arrow down all my system tray items read just fine.

On 5/23/2017 6:37 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
It works but you have to set them to be visible in the tray. I usually just check the show all icons in notification tray.
On 5/23/2017 4:27 PM, Don H wrote:
The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11 or control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system tray. It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list of two items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?






Re: copy and paste again

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


No, it works the way I stated on Windows 7 as well.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: copy and paste again

Mario, that's how it works on my system, anyway. You are correct. But I'm running Windows 7, not Windows 10. Maybe that makes a difference?

Shirley




Re: system tray

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Did you check the box Show all icons in notification tray?

On 5/23/2017 6:40 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I never could get Systems Try to read, and I have the latest JAWS and Windows 10.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: system tray

Hi Don,

The only thing my insert-f11 didn't read was the clock. I have four other items and it read all of them.

Carol


On 5/23/2017 7:27 PM, Don H wrote:
The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11
or control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system
tray. It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list
of two items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the
system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?








Re: system tray

Jed Barton
 

Hey guys. How do you tell it to show all in the system tray? Been
looking to find this out myself

On 5/23/17, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
I never could get Systems Try to read, and I have the latest JAWS and
Windows 10.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: system tray

Hi Don,

The only thing my insert-f11 didn't read was the clock. I have four other
items and it read all of them.

Carol


On 5/23/2017 7:27 PM, Don H wrote:
The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11
or control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system
tray. It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list
of two items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the
system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?