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Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

But what a joy when they balance with the bank.

Now that it is accessible with JAWS, I can use it. About 12 years ago, my now deceased) husband at that time got a job, but he needed to submit his reports on a spread sheet. I could not work the thing that the company sent, and he was not good on computer, depended on me, so he could not take that job. The ones that I have now, that my present husband put on my computer are accessible, and what a joy WHEN I BALANCE, which is most of the time. Then when I don't, have to figure why not. I was surprised when they were accessible, judging by the one back in 2005.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:


God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am! Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work.
--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: system tray

Carol Smith
 

Pressing windows key - b works very nicely and you only need alt-tab to get back to where you were before.

Carol

On 5/23/2017 7:54 PM, Don H wrote:
So if I simply tab around until I get to the system tray and arrow down all my system tray items read just fine.

On 5/23/2017 6:37 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
It works but you have to set them to be visible in the tray. I usually just check the show all icons in notification tray.
On 5/23/2017 4:27 PM, Don H wrote:
The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11 or control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system tray. It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list of two items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?







Re: copy and paste again

David & his pack of dogs
 

He’s not the only one who learned something.  Smile. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: copy and paste again

 

Hi Mario,

 

You're not wrong, but you just learned something.  Rather than me explaining, just give the Insert, shift, + arrows keystrokes a try.  I just used the keystroke to copy this word:  explaining

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mario

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: copy and paste again

 

Mike, I always thought shift+control+right moves to and selected the
next word, shift+control+left arrow moves to and selected the prior
word. and I don't recall the insert/JAWSKey ever being a part of the
command. am I wrong? please explain if I am.

------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: copy and paste again

Hi Don,

Shift + right arrow only selects the next character, use, Insert / Jaws key,
shift + right arrow, this command selects the next word.

Selecting / Highlighing text

Selecting a letter/character;  Shift +left arrow selects prior character.
Shift + right arrow selects next character.

Selecting prior word;  Insert/Jaws key, shift + left arrow or control,
shift, + left arrow.

Selecting next word;  Insert/Jaws key, shift, + right arrow or control,
shift, + right arrow.

Selecting text from cursor to beginning of line;  Shift + Home/7 key on
number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to end of line;  Shift +End/1 on the number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to the end of a document;  Control, shift, +
end/1 key on the number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to the beginning of a document;  Control, shift,
+ home/7 key on the number pad.

Selecting more than 1 line of text;  Hold the Shift key down while arrowing
up or down until you have selected/highlighted the lines you want.

Selecting all text;  Control + A.  This keystroke will select all the text
in a document no matter the size or length of the document.

to select a page at a time: shift page up or down

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:52 AM
Subject: copy and paste again


OK surely copy and paste works better than my results so far.  Today I
went to my cell phone carriers web page and looked up my billing info.
I found the amount due and used shift right arrow to select the amount
and then control c to copy the four digit number.  The number I tried to
copy was 51.52.  When I tried to paste the number on another web page to
pay the bill a control V gave the amount 2.00.  Not even close.  Surely
I am doing something wrong to get such poor results.
Thanks







Re: system tray

Carol Smith
 

Hi Don,

The only thing my insert-f11 didn't read was the clock. I have four other items and it read all of them.

Carol

On 5/23/2017 7:27 PM, Don H wrote:
The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11 or control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system tray. It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list of two items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?



Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

David & his pack of dogs
 

Sorry, I missed the reason for having JAWS history. Why would one need a history log for JAWS? Or, am I way off base with this one?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

What are the key strokes to get to JAWS History?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

it allows the copying and pasting of what JAWS exactly spoke while in normal use, such as in navigating thru dialogs, error messages, and many more instances. other users probably use the speech history in other ways. I sure hope VFO keeps this very useful feature for future versions.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speach history? was RE: indexing

Hi all,
I have heard the Speech history feature talked of before.
It is mentioned below and was brought up in a discussion about password fields.
What is it and why would you want it?
As I have heard it described it sounds like a text file of everything that jaws has told you. Why do you want that?
Seems like a big waist to me.
Thanks
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

I am not sure why this isn't working for you, a Say Line for me includes the "1 of 4" or whatever you have. Here is an example from one of my folders, I use Jaws speech history which I first cleared, then I did my thing and let Jaws speak and after that went into speech history with the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H where I did a select all and Control+C for copy:

First I am just using the arrows:
DHL
Lumber Yard
Bigrock 02-10-2017
Christmas 2016 Ad
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017

Now I am on the file Dental Invoices" and I do a say line:
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎10:24 AM Adobe Acrobat Document 71 KB
5 of 17

Say Line on DHL which is a folder not a file:
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17

Now I use Jaws Key+Tab, the keyboard help describes it as follows: "Says the current Window + the associated prompt label":
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17
Date created: ‎11/‎16/‎2016 ‏‎8:50 PM
Size: 1.78 MB
Files: DHL Express eMailShip, DHL Volumetric Calculator, ...
There are other files in that folder, but visually you only see the first two as well.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

Thanks for your replay but neither of these options will do more than read the file you are on no index info is included.

On 5/23/2017 8:44 AM, Mario wrote:
in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which "Says the current window and the associated prompt label."

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing

Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks



.















.


Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

Don H
 

Try that again Jaws key spacebar and the letter h

On 5/23/2017 7:44 PM, Don H wrote:
Jaws key spacebar andh
On 5/23/2017 7:40 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
What are the key strokes to get to JAWS History?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

it allows the copying and pasting of what JAWS exactly spoke while in normal use, such as in navigating thru dialogs, error messages, and many more instances. other users probably use the speech history in other ways. I sure hope VFO keeps this very useful feature for future versions.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speach history? was RE: indexing

Hi all,
I have heard the Speech history feature talked of before.
It is mentioned below and was brought up in a discussion about password fields.
What is it and why would you want it?
As I have heard it described it sounds like a text file of everything that jaws has told you. Why do you want that?
Seems like a big waist to me.
Thanks
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

I am not sure why this isn't working for you, a Say Line for me includes the "1 of 4" or whatever you have. Here is an example from one of my folders, I use Jaws speech history which I first cleared, then I did my thing and let Jaws speak and after that went into speech history with the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H where I did a select all and Control+C for copy:

First I am just using the arrows:
DHL
Lumber Yard
Bigrock 02-10-2017
Christmas 2016 Ad
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017

Now I am on the file Dental Invoices" and I do a say line:
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎10:24 AM Adobe Acrobat Document 71 KB
5 of 17

Say Line on DHL which is a folder not a file:
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17

Now I use Jaws Key+Tab, the keyboard help describes it as follows: "Says the current Window + the associated prompt label":
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17
Date created: ‎11/‎16/‎2016 ‏‎8:50 PM
Size: 1.78 MB
Files: DHL Express eMailShip, DHL Volumetric Calculator, ...
There are other files in that folder, but visually you only see the first two as well.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

Thanks for your replay but neither of these options will do more than read the file you are on no index info is included.

On 5/23/2017 8:44 AM, Mario wrote:
in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which "Says the current window and the associated prompt label."

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing

Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks



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.










Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

Don H
 

Jaws key spacebar andh

On 5/23/2017 7:40 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
What are the key strokes to get to JAWS History?
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing
it allows the copying and pasting of what JAWS exactly spoke while in normal use, such as in navigating thru dialogs, error messages, and many more instances. other users probably use the speech history in other ways. I sure hope VFO keeps this very useful feature for future versions.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speach history? was RE: indexing
Hi all,
I have heard the Speech history feature talked of before.
It is mentioned below and was brought up in a discussion about password fields.
What is it and why would you want it?
As I have heard it described it sounds like a text file of everything that jaws has told you. Why do you want that?
Seems like a big waist to me.
Thanks
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing
I am not sure why this isn't working for you, a Say Line for me includes the "1 of 4" or whatever you have. Here is an example from one of my folders, I use Jaws speech history which I first cleared, then I did my thing and let Jaws speak and after that went into speech history with the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H where I did a select all and Control+C for copy:
First I am just using the arrows:
DHL
Lumber Yard
Bigrock 02-10-2017
Christmas 2016 Ad
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017
Now I am on the file Dental Invoices" and I do a say line:
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎10:24 AM Adobe Acrobat Document 71 KB
5 of 17
Say Line on DHL which is a folder not a file:
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17
Now I use Jaws Key+Tab, the keyboard help describes it as follows: "Says the current Window + the associated prompt label":
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17
Date created: ‎11/‎16/‎2016 ‏‎8:50 PM
Size: 1.78 MB
Files: DHL Express eMailShip, DHL Volumetric Calculator, ...
There are other files in that folder, but visually you only see the first two as well.
Regards,
Sieghard
----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing
Thanks for your replay but neither of these options will do more than read the file you are on no index info is included.
On 5/23/2017 8:44 AM, Mario wrote:
in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which "Says the current window and the associated prompt label."
-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing
Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks
.
.


Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

What are the key strokes to get to JAWS History?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speach history? was RE: indexing

it allows the copying and pasting of what JAWS exactly spoke while in normal use, such as in navigating thru dialogs, error messages, and many more instances. other users probably use the speech history in other ways. I sure hope VFO keeps this very useful feature for future versions.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speach history? was RE: indexing

Hi all,
I have heard the Speech history feature talked of before.
It is mentioned below and was brought up in a discussion about password fields.
What is it and why would you want it?
As I have heard it described it sounds like a text file of everything that jaws has told you. Why do you want that?
Seems like a big waist to me.
Thanks
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

I am not sure why this isn't working for you, a Say Line for me includes the "1 of 4" or whatever you have. Here is an example from one of my folders, I use Jaws speech history which I first cleared, then I did my thing and let Jaws speak and after that went into speech history with the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by H where I did a select all and Control+C for copy:

First I am just using the arrows:
DHL
Lumber Yard
Bigrock 02-10-2017
Christmas 2016 Ad
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017

Now I am on the file Dental Invoices" and I do a say line:
Dental Invoices 2016 and 2017
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎10:24 AM Adobe Acrobat Document 71 KB
5 of 17

Say Line on DHL which is a folder not a file:
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17

Now I use Jaws Key+Tab, the keyboard help describes it as follows: "Says the current Window + the associated prompt label":
DHL
‎5/‎2/‎2017 ‏‎7:53 PM File folder
1 of 17
Date created: ‎11/‎16/‎2016 ‏‎8:50 PM
Size: 1.78 MB
Files: DHL Express eMailShip, DHL Volumetric Calculator, ...
There are other files in that folder, but visually you only see the first two as well.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indexing

Thanks for your replay but neither of these options will do more than read the file you are on no index info is included.

On 5/23/2017 8:44 AM, Mario wrote:
in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which "Says the current window and the associated prompt label."

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing

Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks



.















.


Re: Configuring braille display hotkeys

Vaughan Dodd
 

Hi Sally.

That works when the Edge is operating as a stand-alone device reading files.

I wish that was the JFW command - but unfortunately - not so.

All the best.

Vaughan.

On 5/24/2017 11:57 AM, Sally Hagarty wrote:
Hi, Vaughan. I found this info in the Edge manual.
3.11 Auto scroll
The “Auto Scroll” command scrolls the Braille display automatically by line
through the document.
You can turn the auto scroll feature on and off by pressing the up and down
scroll buttons simultaneously. You can also cancel auto scrolling by pressing the escape key.
Not sure if this is what you were looking for, but wanted to try.


locked Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Tim Ford
 

Hi James,

 

I will contact you in the future.  In the past, when I did my occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you note from the administrator.  Frankly I think the guidelines need to be tightened, although all I am asking for should be considered as nothing more than simple respect for other people’s time and effort.  I have been a list moderator, and would not do so again, because of getting notes from grumpy people like me!  Frankly though, I think this is such a large membership list that we need as a community to ask those very few individuals to simply follow the basic rules I learned in my office email class.  They said to make the subject line descriptive so the recipient could decide whether they needed to read it.  They also said to explain up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could then decide to break off and move on. 

 

Tim Ford

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.

 

In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled accordingly.

 

James,

List Admin

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi Folks,

 

My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am.  A significant number of discussion threads on this list recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject.  Many of us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read.  All of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like this one “Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!  Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: copy and paste again

Shirley Tracy
 

Mario, that's how it works on my system, anyway. You are correct. But I'm running Windows 7, not Windows 10. Maybe that makes a difference?

Shirley


locked Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

James Homuth
 

While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.
 
In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled accordingly.
 
James,
List Admin


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Hi Folks,

 

My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am.  A significant number of discussion threads on this list recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject.  Many of us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read.  All of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like this one “Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet" with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!  Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work
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locked Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Tim Ford
 

I forgot to add, telling someone to just mute a thread is missing the point.  Muting a topic that has wandered all over the place is like dumping a file without having any idea what is in it.  There may be great stuff, but one would not find it.  The mute feature is also fully dependent upon an accurate and up to date subject line.

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

Okay, I am grumpy because my daughter was to be married this weekend.  Her groom just died tragically.  I have taken on the role of communications central, and I need email that I can quickly get through.  I continue to have JAWS needs, so I cannot just skip them or delete in total.  Sorry to dump, but lots of us have important things to do, and I think it is common courtesy to have a reasonably accurate and up to date subject line.  This is a list to exchange information, and it often turns into casual discussion.  Please, please, understand that many of us need information, and for many reasons the extra time to figure out these  vague notes create a significant, and easily avoidable, burden.  Your response lacks a broader view of the community at large.

… I have said enough.

 

A Grieving Father

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

You do sound grumpy, and demanding.

"Fun threads" do come into existence and are long because they are popular.  Thread drift on a thread like this one, which had amusement as its primary purpose, is inevitable.

I suggest you look at the links at the end of each and every message, especially "Mute this Topic," as it's not up to the cohort to manage your e-mail for you when the tools are already in your hands.  Learn to use them.

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        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


locked Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

Tim Ford
 

Okay, I am grumpy because my daughter was to be married this weekend.  Her groom just died tragically.  I have taken on the role of communications central, and I need email that I can quickly get through.  I continue to have JAWS needs, so I cannot just skip them or delete in total.  Sorry to dump, but lots of us have important things to do, and I think it is common courtesy to have a reasonably accurate and up to date subject line.  This is a list to exchange information, and it often turns into casual discussion.  Please, please, understand that many of us need information, and for many reasons the extra time to figure out these  vague notes create a significant, and easily avoidable, burden.  Your response lacks a broader view of the community at large.

… I have said enough.

 

A Grieving Father

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

You do sound grumpy, and demanding.

"Fun threads" do come into existence and are long because they are popular.  Thread drift on a thread like this one, which had amusement as its primary purpose, is inevitable.

I suggest you look at the links at the end of each and every message, especially "Mute this Topic," as it's not up to the cohort to manage your e-mail for you when the tools are already in your hands.  Learn to use them.

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        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Quicken

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I did a quick Google search and couldn’t find the scripts for the person looking for them.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quicken

 

As I understand it Quicken is now accessible with some pricey scripts...
On 5/23/2017 1:53 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io wrote:

Anyone using JAWS with Quicken?  I’ll be moving to JAWS from Window-Eyes, which has some level of accessibility with the personal Quicken. 

 

 

 

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Re: voices and pitch

Carol Smith
 

I was talking about the jaws with teeth, grin!

On 5/23/2017 5:30 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Agreed. I just need to learn the ropes with JAWS. Specifically using office 365 with JAWS. How can I envoice clients if I have no idea how JAWS works with 365? There is a seminare at the end of this month from F S, that I have registered for.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

Hi David,

I think this email was great. All dogs need a good place to unwind.
And, those Jaws users have a great opportunity for learning new things.

Carol



On 5/23/2017 5:03 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
We board unruly dogs. Dogs that no other facility will board because the dog has issues such as growling at humans and/or other dogs because of being sequestered and, they basically have never been propperly socialized in the first place. Or, have been terrorized by other dogs or humans. We have 2 staff dogs on the premisis at all times who help with the rehabilitation process, and have had as many as 5 boarders at one time. To keep this JAWS related, yes, they all have Jaws. Huge Grin.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

You know, if they ever get the synthesized voices perfected, I wondered if they were going to put talking books on them.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

So, how many dogs do you have? Haahaahaa



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David & his pack of dogs
Sent: May 23, 2017 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



I don’t know if this has been covered by you Carol but, to change the pitch, that feature is under the spell upper case function settings.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



Hi Sieghard,

OK, thanks. This makes sense. I will try it. I sort of like all of the cursors sounding the same, but I suppose it would have advantages with separate voices.

Carol

On 5/22/2017 5:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: voices and pitch



Hi Carol,



Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust. Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments. Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

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To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch



Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them. Is
this possible? For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy. On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me. Is there a way I can change the
settings? Also, does pitch work for other synthes? Thanks.

Carol


















Re: system tray

Don H
 

OK on my system windows key b shows all the items in the system tray but the jaws methods of showing them simply doesn't work. Beat this horse enough I will just tab around to the system tray or use the windows key b method.

On 5/23/2017 6:36 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi,
I just tried:
Insert+F11, and all of my system tray items show up in a list. I just press Windows+B and access the tray that way, but my JAWS command does work, I have the latest JAWS and Win10 Creators update.
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:27 PM
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *system tray
The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11 or
control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system tray.
It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list of two
items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?


Re: Configuring braille display hotkeys

Sally Hagarty
 

Hi, Vaughan. I found this info in the Edge manual.
3.11 Auto scroll 
The “Auto Scroll” command scrolls the Braille display automatically by line 
through the document. 
You can turn the auto scroll feature on and off by pressing the up and down 
scroll buttons simultaneously. You can also cancel auto scrolling by pressing the escape key.
Not sure if this is what you were looking for, but wanted to try.
 


locked Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

You do sound grumpy, and demanding.

"Fun threads" do come into existence and are long because they are popular.  Thread drift on a thread like this one, which had amusement as its primary purpose, is inevitable.

I suggest you look at the links at the end of each and every message, especially "Mute this Topic," as it's not up to the cohort to manage your e-mail for you when the tools are already in your hands.  Learn to use them.

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Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: system tray

Don H
 

So if I simply tab around until I get to the system tray and arrow down all my system tray items read just fine.

On 5/23/2017 6:37 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
It works but you have to set them to be visible in the tray. I usually just check the show all icons in notification tray.
On 5/23/2017 4:27 PM, Don H wrote:
The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11 or control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system tray. It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list of two items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?