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AVG!

Bob Edenhofer <kc2mxg@...>
 

Hi Bob, your right, it’s a little tricky, because when you go under tools, and scan your computer, the scan window doesn’t show up as a list view like it did in previous versions! kc2mxg@roadrunner.com
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Re: AVG!

Robert Logue <bobcat11@...>
 

I don't find AVG 2012 very friendly with Jaws. I need to use the jaws cursor more. Not saying it's bad, just not quite as easy for me as earlier versions.

Bob Logue

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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: AVG!


Yes it does! AVG is verry ScreenReader friendly with jaws!
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Re: [Bulk] JFW installation annoyance

Dave...
 

Let FS know about that. I still hate that we need to suffer through the
Valium voice" every darn time. Why not allow the install to use our default
voice settings? But no, they continue to trot out "Stoned Sam" for every
install.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Roderick" <rickrod@insightbb.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:23
Subject: [Bulk] JFW installation annoyance


JAWS is an unusual program in that it doesn't allow shut-down options. When
it is done, it always says, "JAWS has made changes that makes it necessary
to restart your computer. Thn, OK is offered. If pressed, the computer is
restarted. With Escape, the same thing happens. Most programs let one
restart later. It is not so much that I want to restart later, but I would
rather do a full shut-down. I think more potential problems are cleared up
that way.


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Re: Jaws 13.0.527 Direct Download Links

Dave...
 

Mike,

Good info, and rather than "suggest" that it be downloaded and save to the
hard drive I would suggest "crazy not to save to the hard drive" as a more
appropriate phrase.

Many times I've installed the newest update and found that it broke more
than it fixed. Then since I always, always, always save every version on my
hard drive, I am able to uninstall the offending piece of cruddy version and
install the previous version and wait for the possibly-better version some
time later.

Saved my hind-end more than once.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:11
Subject: Jaws 13.0.527 Direct Download Links


Hi All,

Below are the direct download links for the latest version of Jaws13, Jaws
13.0.527. Choose your operating system & click on the link. It is
suggested to save the download to your computer, in a place you can access
easily, & run the update from there instead of running / installing from the
website.

For 32 Bit Systems:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J13.0.527-32bit.exe

For 64 Bit Systems:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J13.0.527-64bit.exe

Hope this helps. Take care.
Mike
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Re: JFW installation annoyance

George B
 

so is cancel

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rick Roderick
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:24
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JFW installation annoyance

JAWS is an unusual program in that it doesn't allow shut-down options.
When
it is done, it always says, "JAWS has made changes that makes it
necessary
to restart your computer. Thn, OK is offered. If pressed, the
computer is
restarted. With Escape, the same thing happens. Most programs let one
restart later. It is not so much that I want to restart later, but I
would
rather do a full shut-down. I think more potential problems are
cleared up
that way.


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JFW installation annoyance

Rick Roderick <rickrod@...>
 

JAWS is an unusual program in that it doesn't allow shut-down options. When
it is done, it always says, "JAWS has made changes that makes it necessary
to restart your computer. Thn, OK is offered. If pressed, the computer is
restarted. With Escape, the same thing happens. Most programs let one
restart later. It is not so much that I want to restart later, but I would
rather do a full shut-down. I think more potential problems are cleared up
that way.


Re: sharing documents via Facebook?

john.falter
 

I doubt that Facebook was meant to be used that way.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amar Jain" <amarjain@amarjain.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: sharing documents via Facebook?


Hi Adrian,
You rightly observed, my problem is not related to Jaws. Well, on a business page, I want to share some legal articles with my clients, and I want them to give the ability to view that document in browser itself just by clicking on the direct link which I share on facebook.
I could have even gone with Google Docs, but firstly I will need to take approval, and secondly at times if you use google docs’s own viewer, it creates formatting problems.
One of the applications which I tried was docs.com, and it worked fine on the fake page which I created, but not on the business page for some reason. It uploads and posts the link on the business page, but when you try viewing it, it gives you an error saying word web cannot open the file, it was terminated, it encountered an error and open the file directly in MS word. (Sorry, don’t have exact text at the moment)
Written to the developers, but as one may expect, no response.
Checked the apps and websites settings, but couldn’t spot the cause of the problem.
No information is available on google.
If nothing works, then only the possibility which will be time-consuming is to create your own application using PHP or something, and use it on your own server. Despite the fact I keep playing with IT related things, but since this is not my profession, I can’t be as quick as I need to be.
Coming back to GDocs, I was much happy with old google docs which was though less accessible, but was usable with IE. This one, is not usable with IE as easily as its predecessor. Specially upload and create functions. One has to use firefox that too upload I couldn’t use easily. Even after uploading, I didn’t figure out how and where to give a title so that link appears properly in the emails etc.
Appreciate you for trying to help me out.
Regards,
Amar Jain.
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:22:06 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Sharing documents via facebook?
Message-ID: <C0D638C7B7184C97988686CE9E674142@ADRIAN01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Amar,

I know you received a discouraging reply earlier, but I'm wondering if you
think the problem is a result of JAWS not providing you the information you
need. Your explanation suggests it isn't, but you might want to elaborate.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 3:07 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Sharing documents via facebook?

Hi All,
I am looking at the possibility of sharing documents via facebook page.
Directly it is not possible, and I have tried using an app called docs.com,
developed by microsoft and facebook.
Though it is allowing me to share and view the document on my wall, but it
is not allowing me to do the same on my facebook page.
Can you advise me what can be the solution / other possibilities for the
same?
Regards
Amar Jain.
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Jaws 13.0.527 Direct Download Links

Mike & Barbara <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,

Below are the direct download links for the latest version of Jaws13, Jaws
13.0.527. Choose your operating system & click on the link. It is
suggested to save the download to your computer, in a place you can access
easily, & run the update from there instead of running / installing from the
website.

For 32 Bit Systems:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J13.0.527-32bit.exe

For 64 Bit Systems:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J13.0.527-64bit.exe

Hope this helps. Take care.
Mike
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Re: JAWS 13 and Excel

Dave...
 

Yes, the fix is that you have to assign new keystrokes to those scripts.
They changed the keystroke to something involving table mode. Look in the
Keyboard Manager for Excel and you will see those new keystrokes. If you
don't like them like I didn't like them then you can change them back to
what they once were, like I did. I also reassigned the keystrokes to read
the row headers.

Just something FS did to "help" us but really "hindered" us, in my opinion.
They could easily have provided two sets of keys to these scripts.

BTW I assigned Ctrl+Shift+1, 2, 3, 4 for the Column headers and Alt+Ctrl+1,
2, 3, 4 to the Row headers. This was to avoid conflict with the Quick Access
Tools that I always use, that are Alt+1, 2, 3, etc.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny wells" <dd-wells@att.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 09:33
Subject: JAWS 13 and Excel



Hi All,

I have just installed JAWS 13, and I notice when using Excel 14
that the alt + 1, 2, 3, etc key strokes do not anounce the column
headings in the rows indicated. Does anyone know of a fix? Thanks so much!

Danny

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Re: sharing documents via Facebook?

Amar Jain
 

Hi Adrian,
You rightly observed, my problem is not related to Jaws. Well, on a business page, I want to share some legal articles with my clients, and I want them to give the ability to view that document in browser itself just by clicking on the direct link which I share on facebook.
I could have even gone with Google Docs, but firstly I will need to take approval, and secondly at times if you use google docs’s own viewer, it creates formatting problems.
One of the applications which I tried was docs.com, and it worked fine on the fake page which I created, but not on the business page for some reason. It uploads and posts the link on the business page, but when you try viewing it, it gives you an error saying word web cannot open the file, it was terminated, it encountered an error and open the file directly in MS word. (Sorry, don’t have exact text at the moment)
Written to the developers, but as one may expect, no response.
Checked the apps and websites settings, but couldn’t spot the cause of the problem.
No information is available on google.
If nothing works, then only the possibility which will be time-consuming is to create your own application using PHP or something, and use it on your own server. Despite the fact I keep playing with IT related things, but since this is not my profession, I can’t be as quick as I need to be.
Coming back to GDocs, I was much happy with old google docs which was though less accessible, but was usable with IE. This one, is not usable with IE as easily as its predecessor. Specially upload and create functions. One has to use firefox that too upload I couldn’t use easily. Even after uploading, I didn’t figure out how and where to give a title so that link appears properly in the emails etc.
Appreciate you for trying to help me out.
Regards,
Amar Jain.
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:22:06 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Sharing documents via facebook?
Message-ID: <C0D638C7B7184C97988686CE9E674142@ADRIAN01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Amar,

I know you received a discouraging reply earlier, but I'm wondering if you
think the problem is a result of JAWS not providing you the information you
need. Your explanation suggests it isn't, but you might want to elaborate.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 3:07 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Sharing documents via facebook?

Hi All,
I am looking at the possibility of sharing documents via facebook page.
Directly it is not possible, and I have tried using an app called docs.com,
developed by microsoft and facebook.
Though it is allowing me to share and view the document on my wall, but it
is not allowing me to do the same on my facebook page.
Can you advise me what can be the solution / other possibilities for the
same?
Regards
Amar Jain.
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Re: Copying text from a web page

Adrian Spratt
 

Usually, yes. This text would be in the virtual window, and you freeze it by
pressing JAWS key+alt+w. Then select all or part of the text you want and
copy it with control-c. Get out of the virtual window by pressing escape.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Roderick
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Copying text from a web page

This bring up another question. Can text be coppied that can only be found
with the JAWS cursor?


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JAWS 13.0.527 Update

Dave Mitchell
 

Greetings: In case you forgot about this update like me, it is available on the JAWS Help Menu for download. Mitch
All right everyone, line up alphabetically according to your height. Casey Stengel


Re: Copying text from a web page

Rick Roderick <rickrod@...>
 

This bring up another question. Can text be coppied that can only be found
with the JAWS cursor?


JAWS 13 and Excel

Danny wells
 

Hi All,

I have just installed JAWS 13, and I notice when using Excel 14 that the alt + 1, 2, 3, etc key strokes do not anounce the column headings in the rows indicated. Does anyone know of a fix? Thanks so much!

Danny

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Re: [Bulk] Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

Dave...
 

Brad,

Not sure what you meant in your second sentence. Can you clarify?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

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From: "Brad Bradford" <emeraldragon2014@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 09:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows
Seven?


I am sing 11.3 JAWS with AVG..... the VA supplies me with all softeware.
Jf tht\at helps
BBrad Bradford

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Spiry" <b.s.spiry@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?


I'm using it with J13 as well as previous versions. working fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

Hi,
Does A V G work well with any JAWS version in Windows Seven?
Many thanks.

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Re: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

Brad Bradford <emeraldragon2014@...>
 

I am sing 11.3 JAWS with AVG..... the VA supplies me with all softeware.
Jf tht\at helps
BBrad Bradford

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From: "Bill Spiry" <b.s.spiry@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?


I'm using it with J13 as well as previous versions. working fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

Hi,
Does A V G work well with any JAWS version in Windows Seven?
Many thanks.

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Re: Copying text from a web page

Matthew Horspool <mhorspool@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

Yes, you're right, and I probably should have made that a bit clearer.

Ideally I'd like to leave well alone and have all formatting copied over.
However, I sometimes end up in a situation where this method simply doesn't
work - I select the text, copy it, paste it and some or all of it isn't
there. I then have to go back to the webpage and try again, and even then
it sometimes hasn't caught everything. It's come to selecting the entire
web page and trimming in the destination document on more than one occasion,
and this just isn't productive for me.

In short, my point here is that I'm only changing the setting because it
seems to be the only reliable way of catching all the text all the time. If
the new default method could guarantee me that quality of functionality, I'd
switch back in a heartbeat!

Hope that clears up my position.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: 14 November 2011 19:26
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Copying text from a web page

Matthew,

I've finally been thinking through these copying methods. As you say, the
current JAWS default is to copy with all codes, links, etc. included. The
method you and others describe makes the default an unformatted copy of the
text so that you can paste text into a document without messing up the
document's existing format.

I now see that the method described by Mike, of Mike and Barbara, keeps the
current JAWS default for those who prefer it but enables users to paste
unformatted text into a document in specific situations. When I copy
something from the Internet into an email message, I like to retain links,
etc., for the benefit of the recipient. That's the JAWS default. If I want
to keep it my default, Mike's method would give me flexibility. Here again
is what he posted:

Try the following to remove html formatting from source material copied from
web based resources.

1. Highlight the text you want to copy.

2. Copy it to the windows clipboard with CTRL+C.

3. Return to your open document.

4. When you get to the place you want to insert your copied material press
alt+E.

5. Up-arrow until you hear Jaws say "paste special...."

6. Press enter and up-arrow until you hear Jaws say "paste as unformatted
text" and press enter.

This will remove all of the HTML formatting from your copied material and
insert it into your document.

Be advised that your cursor will be at the bottom of the inserted material
and you will need to use the appropriate reading commands to get to the
beginning of your text.

I use the above steps with XP, Word 2002, & all versions of Jaws. I haven't
tried it on my Windows7 system, yet!


Re: Copying text from a web page

Kimber Gardner
 

Thanks to everyone who posted suggestions.

Yes, Adrian, I believe I was having the same problem you were with
copying and pasting web-based information like URLs etc. The behavior
was very strange in that sometimes the copy and paste would work and
other times I would have to do the copy and paste via notepad which is
a bit of a pain.

Matthew's suggestion seems to be working, so thanks for that.

As for whether the same condition exists in jaws 13, I can't say as I
have returned to jaws 12 because of some other issues I was having.

Thanks again, everyone.

Kim

On 11/14/11, Matthew Horspool <mhorspool@live.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Kim,

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it had something to do with the new
virtual cursor copy/paste logic introduced into JAWS a couple of versions
back, which has always been buggy in my experience. Try the following:

1. From within a browser window, press JAWSKey+V.

2. DownArrow to 'Virtual Cursor Options' and, if it's closed, RightArrow to
open it.

3. DownArrow until you get to 'Select and Copy' and press the SPACEBAR to
toggle this to 'From Virtual Cursor' (it's on 'Full Content using On-Screen
Highlight' by default).

4. Press ENTER and, just to be sure, ALT+TAB away from, and back to, the web
page.

Let me know if this works.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: 14 November 2011 16:25
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Copying text from a web page

Hi All,

No too long ago someone asked about an issue they were having copying text
from a web page to paste into another document. I can't remember what the
answer was, and now I seem to be having the same issue.

Could somebody refresh my memory?

Thanks,
Kim

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Re: Firefox Problem

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

Thanks. I was able to find it by going through the previous messages. I just thought it would be a good idea to suggest, not only to Chris, but to everyone, to leave the thread intact underneath. That way if you need to read it, you can. And if not, simply ignore it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Firefox Problem


Hi Dave,

Below is the original question & answer for it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Smart

I have somehow managed to disable keyboard menu access in Firefox.
By that I mean I can no longer get into the menus with the ALT
key. Control still works, for entering addresses, accessing
Bookmarks etc. but ALT does not.

Does anybody have an idea how to fix this, or should I just
uninstall and reinstall the browser?

Thanks and sorry for the off-topic post. In my own defense, I'm
running the latest Jaws 13, latest Firefox, and Windows 7 64-bit. I
don't know If Jaws is a contributing factor to the situation or not.

Chris

From: Soronel Haetir
This happens when you enable Firefox's full screen mode, to get out of
it activate the search bar (ctrl-K by default) then hit tab so that
the page tab bar is focused then hit f11.

I only recommend doing it there because I have had mixed results when
other locations have had focus but that one seems to work all the
time.

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Re: Copying text from a web page

Adrian Spratt
 

Matthew,

You proposed this method to overcome a problem with copying text from the
Internet. I was having the same problem that I believe Kim was. I've
followed your steps, and they solve my problem. Now JAWS 12 reliably selects
text for copying, which it wasn't before. Thanks.

It means that if I wish to copy text as formatted, with links and so on,
into an email message, I'll have to change the Adjust JAWS Dialog setting.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Copying text from a web page

Hi Kim,

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it had something to do with the new
virtual cursor copy/paste logic introduced into JAWS a couple of versions
back, which has always been buggy in my experience. Try the following:

1. From within a browser window, press JAWSKey+V.

2. DownArrow to 'Virtual Cursor Options' and, if it's closed, RightArrow to
open it.

3. DownArrow until you get to 'Select and Copy' and press the SPACEBAR to
toggle this to 'From Virtual Cursor' (it's on 'Full Content using On-Screen
Highlight' by default).

4. Press ENTER and, just to be sure, ALT+TAB away from, and back to, the web
page.

Let me know if this works.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: 14 November 2011 16:25
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Copying text from a web page

Hi All,

No too long ago someone asked about an issue they were having copying text
from a web page to paste into another document. I can't remember what the
answer was, and now I seem to be having the same issue.

Could somebody refresh my memory?

Thanks,
Kim

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