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Re: voices and pitch

Carol Smith
 

Hi,

The pitch I am taklkig about is the overall pitch change for the voices.  For example, I think Glenn sounds too trebly and Reid sounds too bassy.  So, I like having the ability to set each voice just the way I like it.  This change only shows up when a specific cursor is chosen.  The pitch for capitalization can be changed with the default for all cursors settings.  The difference is the pitch changes only for the capitalized word under the default cursor setting and it changes for the total voice with the setting I was looking for, and found, with help.  I hope this makes sense to you.

Carol


On 5/23/2017 10:21 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I don’t know if this has been covered by you Carol but, to change the pitch, that feature is under the spell upper case function settings.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Sieghard,

OK, thanks.  This makes sense.  I will try it.  I sort of like all of the cursors sounding the same, but I suppose it would have advantages with separate voices.

Carol

On 5/22/2017 5:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol

 



Re: closing programs

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks for that tip. As you say, that happens to us all.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: closing programs

No idea, but it happens to us all. Press alt+spacebar for
the system menu, and arrow to close. That usually works.
At 08:08 AM 5/23/2017, you wrote:
Being a newbee I may have put Jaws in some mode unknowingly
to get
these results. When I have lets say IE open and try to use
alt F4 to
close it it won't close. I can use window key M to get
back to
desktop but if I then bring back IE from the task bar alt
F4 may or may
not work.
Any suggestions as to what is going on here?
Thanks


Re: most responsive syn

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I have the same problem with the ears ringing, since the 80's at least.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

This is Marv here. I have a hearing problem and I find eloquence works the best for me. I have tinnitus which means my ears ring all the time; I have used jaws for 26 years or so and find that glen or reed work the best. Have a nice evening.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I like Eloquence and Reid. I've listened to others, but they do not have the clarity to me that Reid has - not like Siri and Talk Back do.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I can't stand the compact voices. Guess I am hard to please? LOL. It is interesting and sad in a way because I went with W E originally because they had more human sounding voices as opposed to the synthetic voices on JAWS.
I had no idea JAWS had such a variety of voices. I was never told by JAWS users about the extra voices. It is probably because they like the Eloquence voice so, never explored the other voices. Who knows.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 7:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Not always, but I have found the crankiness goes away from the female voices some if you use the compact or whatever it is they call the lesser-quality voices.


On 5/22/2017 10:04 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Melcom is my primary voice. I do use Ava as well. This is just a
preference but, I found a lot of the female voices sound cranky like
they are having a bad day. Again, that is a personal preference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Synthesizer preferences are totally subjective. The Vocalizer voices
are all pretty responsive now. They sound nice, for the most part,
but when they miss a word, they miss it badly, and I'm talking about
some pretty common words.
Eloquence and DecTalk Access both, by comparison, sound a little
robotic (That's because you've never heard an Echo or an Echo PC from
Street Electronics in the 80's). Eloquence and DecTalk, to me, are
the clear champions when it comes to responsiveness. I think that, on
average, they do a better job on common words than do the Vocalizer voices.
In the last decade, for various reasons related to work, I have had to
switch back and forth between JAWS and WindowEyes, and my wife has a
Macintosh.
My synthesizer of choice is still good old Eloquence.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Chris G
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I'm using Malcolm, I like him a lot.


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-------- Original Message --------
From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: most responsive syn

Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most
responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer
Tom high.


That's what I'm using too, and it's responsive enough for daily use.
I'm running the new version released for JAWS 18, not the old 1.x version.









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Re: indexing

Don H
 

Thanks for your replay but neither of these options will do more than read the file you are on no index info is included.

On 5/23/2017 8:44 AM, Mario wrote:
in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the
current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which
"Says the current window and the associated prompt label."
-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing
Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you
open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This
function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks
.


Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 07:21 am, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
My female manager heard the senthetic voice and said, “Can’t you get a sexy man to be the voice?  Does it have to be so robotic?”

That may have been a ridiculous question then, but not so much now.

There are some very "sexy" sounding voices available for speech synthesis that sound virtually human.  This is particularly so on GPS devices, and some of these voices are a hoot (unless someone is easily offended by directions being given in very suggestive, as opposed to demanding, tones).
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Re: An Alternative to Pitch Change to Indicate Capitalization

Dale Heltzer
 

Thanks for the reminder, Ed.

For those of us with imperfect recall and/or attention, this is helpful.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: An Alternative to Pitch Change to Indicate Capitalization

 

Sometimes when I’m distracted (I like to think of that as multitasking), I don’t always catch a pitch change to indicate a capital letter.  Often, that’s just fine.

In a complex agreement with 25 or 30 precisely defined terms, terms that, when used in the specifically defined sense, are capitalized, close enough won’t work.

Whether a term is or is not capitalized can be crucial, and an error can cost a client thousands of dollars.

For those on the list new to JAWS who similarly MUST be certain when a word is capitalized (or in bold or italics), therefore, it might be helpful to know that JAWS has a wonderful proofreading tool called “Sound Scheme.”

These “Schemes” may be reached with JawsKey + Alt + S.  An array of previously defined schemes are available, and you can modify or add your own.  There are two proofreading schemes that I use frequently and they are named fittingly, “Proof Reading.” .

Instead of changing pitch, they say “Cap.”  Pitch changes are used to indicate bold, italics, underlining and so on.

Window-Eyes allowed one fairly easily to change capitalization indication in settings, something that is a challenge in Jaws, but I don’t think Window-Eyes had the equivalent of these sound schemes (though my Window-Eyes knowledge is about 7 years old), which can be invoked with just about 3 keystrokes.

Happy proofing. <SMILE>

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Believe me, I did not figure this out on my own, grin.  I had lots of helpful information from others on the group.  Just trying to pay it forward a little, grin.

I like Samantha compact with my own pitch level.  She reminds me of my iPod now.

Carol

On 5/23/2017 8:59 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

Carol, guess you just contradicted what I said  in another post, and thank you.  I use vocalizer now and again, and will bare that in mind.

 

ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Thanks Mike,

With the instructions you provided plus the clarification from Sieghard, excuse me if I didn't spell it correctly, I was able to make the pitch changes.  Yes, you can change pitch for other synthes, too.  I am using the Vocalizer compact voices and they work quite well with the pitch changes. 

Thanks again, and take care.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 6:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

The steps I provided are for Eloquence.  I don't use any other voices, so I'm sorry I didn't mention that.  Now with that being said, if you follow the steps, & when you tab to, Voice Adjust / All Contexts, arrow down to, PC, Jaws, Keyboard, or Tutor & Message cursor options, tab through each of these, & you will find the Voice Pitch Slider.  If you make a change in 1 of these cursors, tab to Apply, & spacebar it to save the change for that cursor.  After you make changes to each cursor Apply them, & when you are working with the last cursor after applying your change, now tab to Okay & press enter to save all your changes & close.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:01 PM

Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Mike,

OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps.  The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters.  I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice.  I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected.  I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5.  If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested.  Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol

 

 

 


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Re: An Alternative to Pitch Change to Indicate Capitalization

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That’s a dandy feature.  In the days before Win 7, I used it to find a restore point.  Now that’s easily done by scrolling down with the PC cursor, but in XP it was considerably more complicated, requiring you to know what was in Bold, as opposed to regular font.  Sound schemes worked every time.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: An Alternative to Pitch Change to Indicate Capitalization

 

Sometimes when I’m distracted (I like to think of that as multitasking), I don’t always catch a pitch change to indicate a capital letter.  Often, that’s just fine.

In a complex agreement with 25 or 30 precisely defined terms, terms that, when used in the specifically defined sense, are capitalized, close enough won’t work.

Whether a term is or is not capitalized can be crucial, and an error can cost a client thousands of dollars.

For those on the list new to JAWS who similarly MUST be certain when a word is capitalized (or in bold or italics), therefore, it might be helpful to know that JAWS has a wonderful proofreading tool called “Sound Scheme.”

These “Schemes” may be reached with JawsKey + Alt + S.  An array of previously defined schemes are available, and you can modify or add your own.  There are two proofreading schemes that I use frequently and they are named fittingly, “Proof Reading.” .

Instead of changing pitch, they say “Cap.”  Pitch changes are used to indicate bold, italics, underlining and so on.

Window-Eyes allowed one fairly easily to change capitalization indication in settings, something that is a challenge in Jaws, but I don’t think Window-Eyes had the equivalent of these sound schemes (though my Window-Eyes knowledge is about 7 years old), which can be invoked with just about 3 keystrokes.

Happy proofing. <SMILE>

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Believe me, I did not figure this out on my own, grin.  I had lots of helpful information from others on the group.  Just trying to pay it forward a little, grin.

I like Samantha compact with my own pitch level.  She reminds me of my iPod now.

Carol

On 5/23/2017 8:59 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

Carol, guess you just contradicted what I said  in another post, and thank you.  I use vocalizer now and again, and will bare that in mind.

 

ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Thanks Mike,

With the instructions you provided plus the clarification from Sieghard, excuse me if I didn't spell it correctly, I was able to make the pitch changes.  Yes, you can change pitch for other synthes, too.  I am using the Vocalizer compact voices and they work quite well with the pitch changes. 

Thanks again, and take care.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 6:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

The steps I provided are for Eloquence.  I don't use any other voices, so I'm sorry I didn't mention that.  Now with that being said, if you follow the steps, & when you tab to, Voice Adjust / All Contexts, arrow down to, PC, Jaws, Keyboard, or Tutor & Message cursor options, tab through each of these, & you will find the Voice Pitch Slider.  If you make a change in 1 of these cursors, tab to Apply, & spacebar it to save the change for that cursor.  After you make changes to each cursor Apply them, & when you are working with the last cursor after applying your change, now tab to Okay & press enter to save all your changes & close.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:01 PM

Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Mike,

OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps.  The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters.  I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice.  I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected.  I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5.  If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested.  Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol

 

 

 


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An Alternative to Pitch Change to Indicate Capitalization

Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...>
 

Sometimes when I’m distracted (I like to think of that as multitasking), I don’t always catch a pitch change to indicate a capital letter.  Often, that’s just fine.

In a complex agreement with 25 or 30 precisely defined terms, terms that, when used in the specifically defined sense, are capitalized, close enough won’t work.

Whether a term is or is not capitalized can be crucial, and an error can cost a client thousands of dollars.

For those on the list new to JAWS who similarly MUST be certain when a word is capitalized (or in bold or italics), therefore, it might be helpful to know that JAWS has a wonderful proofreading tool called “Sound Scheme.”

These “Schemes” may be reached with JawsKey + Alt + S.  An array of previously defined schemes are available, and you can modify or add your own.  There are two proofreading schemes that I use frequently and they are named fittingly, “Proof Reading.” .

Instead of changing pitch, they say “Cap.”  Pitch changes are used to indicate bold, italics, underlining and so on.

Window-Eyes allowed one fairly easily to change capitalization indication in settings, something that is a challenge in Jaws, but I don’t think Window-Eyes had the equivalent of these sound schemes (though my Window-Eyes knowledge is about 7 years old), which can be invoked with just about 3 keystrokes.

Happy proofing. <SMILE>

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Believe me, I did not figure this out on my own, grin.  I had lots of helpful information from others on the group.  Just trying to pay it forward a little, grin.

I like Samantha compact with my own pitch level.  She reminds me of my iPod now.

Carol

On 5/23/2017 8:59 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

Carol, guess you just contradicted what I said  in another post, and thank you.  I use vocalizer now and again, and will bare that in mind.

 

ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Thanks Mike,

With the instructions you provided plus the clarification from Sieghard, excuse me if I didn't spell it correctly, I was able to make the pitch changes.  Yes, you can change pitch for other synthes, too.  I am using the Vocalizer compact voices and they work quite well with the pitch changes. 

Thanks again, and take care.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 6:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

The steps I provided are for Eloquence.  I don't use any other voices, so I'm sorry I didn't mention that.  Now with that being said, if you follow the steps, & when you tab to, Voice Adjust / All Contexts, arrow down to, PC, Jaws, Keyboard, or Tutor & Message cursor options, tab through each of these, & you will find the Voice Pitch Slider.  If you make a change in 1 of these cursors, tab to Apply, & spacebar it to save the change for that cursor.  After you make changes to each cursor Apply them, & when you are working with the last cursor after applying your change, now tab to Okay & press enter to save all your changes & close.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:01 PM

Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Mike,

OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps.  The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters.  I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice.  I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected.  I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5.  If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested.  Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol

 

 

 


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Re: most responsive syn

David & his pack of dogs
 

They had to be people?  Are you sure.  Huge Grin.  I too have Moya on my computer as well as Tessa, Karen, Fiona and to keep it in North America, Ava.  She is the most pleasant out of all the U S female voices. I use Malcom as the primary voice since he is the only one out of all of them that pronounces Canucks properly.  The U S voices pronounce it Can nooks. This is something that one cannot fix.  If the person was in front of you one could kindly give them the correct pronunciation.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

 

Ha ha! I don’t find that, but picture this. What if the women behind those voices really were having crappy days, and they just happened to record that way? I personally, would like to meet Moira, the Irish voice I have now. I wonder where she’s from in that country? These people had to have been people once, right?

Ashleigh Piccinino

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

 

Melcom is my primary voice.  I do use Ava as well.  This is just a preference but, I found a lot of the female voices sound cranky like they are having a bad day. Again, that is a personal preference.  

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Synthesizer preferences are totally subjective.  The Vocalizer voices are all pretty responsive now.  They sound nice, for the most part, but when they miss a word, they miss it badly, and I'm talking about some pretty common words.
Eloquence and DecTalk Access both, by comparison, sound a little robotic (That's because you've never heard an Echo or an Echo PC from Street Electronics in the 80's).  Eloquence and DecTalk, to me, are the clear champions when it comes to responsiveness.  I think that, on average, they do a better job on common words than do the Vocalizer voices.
In the last decade, for various reasons related to work, I have had to switch back and forth between JAWS and WindowEyes, and my wife has a Macintosh.
My synthesizer of choice is still good old Eloquence.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I'm using Malcolm, I like him a lot.


Chris Grabowski
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-------- Original Message --------
From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: most responsive syn

Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most responsive syn to use with JAWS  I am currently using the vocalizer Tom high.


That's what I'm using too, and it's responsive enough for daily use. I'm running the new version released for JAWS 18, not the old 1.x version.









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Do not have liquids when listening to this

David & his pack of dogs
 

All this talk about voices synthetic or not.  Reminded me of when I was doing some volunteer work for our local police department. My female manager heard the senthetic voice and said, “Can’t you get a sexy man to be the voice?  Does it have to be so robotic?”  I did warn you.  LOL.   


Re: voices and pitch

David & his pack of dogs
 

I don’t know if this has been covered by you Carol but, to change the pitch, that feature is under the spell upper case function settings.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Sieghard,

OK, thanks.  This makes sense.  I will try it.  I sort of like all of the cursors sounding the same, but I suppose it would have advantages with separate voices.

Carol

On 5/22/2017 5:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol

 


Re: most responsive syn

David & his pack of dogs
 

With synthetic voices, agreed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

This is Marv here. I have a hearing problem and I find eloquence works the best for me. I have tinnitus which means my ears ring all the time; I have used jaws for 26 years or so and find that glen or reed work the best. Have a nice evening.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I like Eloquence and Reid. I've listened to others, but they do not have the clarity to me that Reid has - not like Siri and Talk Back do.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I can't stand the compact voices. Guess I am hard to please? LOL. It is interesting and sad in a way because I went with W E originally because they had more human sounding voices as opposed to the synthetic voices on JAWS.
I had no idea JAWS had such a variety of voices. I was never told by JAWS users about the extra voices. It is probably because they like the Eloquence voice so, never explored the other voices. Who knows.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 7:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Not always, but I have found the crankiness goes away from the female voices some if you use the compact or whatever it is they call the lesser-quality voices.


On 5/22/2017 10:04 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Melcom is my primary voice. I do use Ava as well. This is just a
preference but, I found a lot of the female voices sound cranky like
they are having a bad day. Again, that is a personal preference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Synthesizer preferences are totally subjective. The Vocalizer voices
are all pretty responsive now. They sound nice, for the most part,
but when they miss a word, they miss it badly, and I'm talking about
some pretty common words.
Eloquence and DecTalk Access both, by comparison, sound a little
robotic (That's because you've never heard an Echo or an Echo PC from
Street Electronics in the 80's). Eloquence and DecTalk, to me, are
the clear champions when it comes to responsiveness. I think that, on
average, they do a better job on common words than do the Vocalizer voices.
In the last decade, for various reasons related to work, I have had to
switch back and forth between JAWS and WindowEyes, and my wife has a
Macintosh.
My synthesizer of choice is still good old Eloquence.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Chris G
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I'm using Malcolm, I like him a lot.


Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while
actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio
tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer
eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter
containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free
downloads, and so much more.
Contact:
Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500)
Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: most responsive syn

Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most
responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer
Tom high.


That's what I'm using too, and it's responsive enough for daily use.
I'm running the new version released for JAWS 18, not the old 1.x version.









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Re: cursors in jaws

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

To be absolutely honest, I’ve never found a particular use for  this feature.  I know what you know--what I read.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

 

What, exactly, is the difference between the JAWS and the invisible cursors?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

 

Invisible is a toggle.  You tap the JAWS cursor once and it says JAWS, again and it says Invisible, then back to JAWS.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

 

How does one activate the invisible cursor, or am I mis-reading the material below?  I find steps to activate each of the other listed cursers, but no such activation step listed for the invisible curser.  Please explain, I am very curious to check this out!  I have used JAWS since 1989, and have never tried nor understood its function and capabilities.

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

 

Hi Don,

 

About JAWS Cursors, below all 4 of them are explained.
Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors. These
cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly linked
with Windows cursors.

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes
This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and
 applications.
This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through
options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons. As you type
information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you press. If you
 are
making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor highlights the
currently selected object. The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS
starts. If you are using a different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns
you to the PC Cursor.

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer
The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other
applications. It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read,
 such
as toolbar information. The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when
 it
is moved, and you therefore have access to information in an application
window that is beyond the scope of the PC Cursor. To activate the JAWS
Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment
The virtual PC Cursor mimics the functions of the PC Cursor, but is
activated by default when entering an HTML document. The virtual PC Cursor
speaks the number of frames in a document, and the number of links in the
frame. You can switch between frames, and JAWS reads graphics labeled by
 alt
tags in the HTML code.

 

Invisible Cursor

The JAWS cursor is basically the mouse cursor that is visible on screen.
The invisible cursor can be moved around just like the JAWS cursor to view
information.  It works like the mouse cursor but can not be seen on screen
or effect objects.  Therefore you can not use the NumPad / (left mouse
click) or NumPad * (right mouse click) on an object.  It is useful to read
information without disturbing the mouse cursor.  It is also useful to
determine colors or whatever might change when the mouse is over an object.
It will not cause ToolTips to pop up.

 

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:17 AM

Subject: cursors in jaws

 

I am trying to do my best in learning JAWS under the help and training
sections listed in the JAWS user interface.  If I understand it
correctly there three cursor modes in JAWS.  I can find no help topics
discussing them and how to use them.  Can someone lead me in the right
direction to learn all about cursors in Jaws.
Thanks


Re: voices and pitch

Carol Smith
 

Believe me, I did not figure this out on my own, grin.  I had lots of helpful information from others on the group.  Just trying to pay it forward a little, grin.

I like Samantha compact with my own pitch level.  She reminds me of my iPod now.

Carol


On 5/23/2017 8:59 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

Carol, guess you just contradicted what I said  in another post, and thank you.  I use vocalizer now and again, and will bare that in mind.

 

ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Thanks Mike,

With the instructions you provided plus the clarification from Sieghard, excuse me if I didn't spell it correctly, I was able to make the pitch changes.  Yes, you can change pitch for other synthes, too.  I am using the Vocalizer compact voices and they work quite well with the pitch changes. 

Thanks again, and take care.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 6:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

The steps I provided are for Eloquence.  I don't use any other voices, so I'm sorry I didn't mention that.  Now with that being said, if you follow the steps, & when you tab to, Voice Adjust / All Contexts, arrow down to, PC, Jaws, Keyboard, or Tutor & Message cursor options, tab through each of these, & you will find the Voice Pitch Slider.  If you make a change in 1 of these cursors, tab to Apply, & spacebar it to save the change for that cursor.  After you make changes to each cursor Apply them, & when you are working with the last cursor after applying your change, now tab to Okay & press enter to save all your changes & close.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:01 PM

Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Mike,

OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps.  The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters.  I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice.  I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected.  I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5.  If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested.  Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol


 

 



Re: voices and pitch

Carol Smith
 

All voices are pitch editable if you make sure to choose a specific voice setting like keyboard, jaws pc , etc.  This is where I was having trouble.  Now that I have each different option set, I can use the voice I want with the pitch of my choosing.  Make sure you do not have default set while macreating the voice sound you want. 

Carol


On 5/23/2017 8:35 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:

Only Eloquence is pitch-adjustable.  In my experience, no 3rd-party app is.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Mike,

OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps.  The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters.  I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice.  I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected.  I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5.  If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested.  Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol


 



Re: jfw scripts

Mario
 

scripts are for making programs more usable for us blind users. got a
particular program you are having problems using? maybe there are
scripts, maybe not. maybe the problems can be dealt with other than
finding a script. if you got a problem, let the list know, maybe we can
troubleshoot it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: William Vandervest [mailto:timelord09@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:18 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jfw scripts

i keep hearing about scripts in jaws, where are they located, and where
can i find new or updated ones?
thanks


timelord09@comcast.net

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Deck-talk Express Question

Pastor Gil Pries <gilp@...>
 

Hi,
My Deck-talk Express kept crashing today.
Is there anything I can try to keep this from happening?
 
Thanks,
 
Pastor Gil


Re: indexing

Mario
 

in a list of files in a folder, try pressing insert+up arrow to read the
current line, or if that doesn't work, try pressing insert+tab which
"Says the current window and the associated prompt label."

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don H [mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:02 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: indexing

Is there any way to get Jaws to include index? For example when you
open file explorer it would be nice to hear file 1 of whatever? This
function is available both in WE and NVDA.
Thanks



.


Re: latest Jaws update

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

We have something called "Track focus Rectangle" under Miscellaneous .

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: latest Jaws update

Hasn't screen tracking been part of JAWS for ages? That sounds very, very
familiar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: May-22-17 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: latest Jaws update

I certainly consider the screen tracking a useful addition, there have been
lots of times where I have been trying to show something to a
seeing-eye-human and have had a hard time getting across where I am focused
(sometimes selecting text works but even that isn't always an option).

On 5/22/17, Dave... <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Interesting. Nothing fantastic jumps out with this release. Still
nothing that tells me it is more stable now. But, I paid for 18 so
I'll continue to

update it, even though I'm using JAWS 16 full-time.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 09:33
Subject: Re: latest Jaws update


The page at
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/jaws/JAWSWhatsNew
lists what changes with each release, you have to skip past the
material that relates to the jaws release as a whole to the material
that is new for each build (currently starts at "Enhancements in JAWS
18.0.2945 (May 2017)")

This build has quite a lot of new material.

On 5/22/17, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Installed the Jaws update that popped up today. Install went just fine.
Is there a way to know what changes were made in such updates?
Thanks from a newbee




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soronel.haetir@gmail.com







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jfw scripts

William Vandervest
 

i keep hearing about scripts in jaws, where are they located, and where can i find new or updated ones?
thanks
 
   
timelord09@...

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd