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Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

Mario
 

it stays asleep until you wake it up with the insert+spacebar s. so yes,
it will stay active in the next program you type in.

-------- Original Message --------
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:29 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

Does this command work again only in the program you are typing in or
does it stay active in the next program you type in? Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

Carol, JAWSKey(insert)+spacebar then s to turn speech off or on.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io [mailto:carollablady=aol.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

How do I get Jaws to stop speaking while running programs that have
their own speech? For example, Kurzweil has a Jaws built-in way to take
care of this. I would like to play my BlindGamers games without having
to shut Jaws down completely. Can this be done? Thanks.

Carol




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Re: most responsive syn

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
 

I suppose it is a personal preference like I mentioned. Having said all of this, I remember years ago there was a P A announcer in the U S who, when making announcements in the arena, sounded like a robot. The joke was, they wound him up before the sporting event.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Hi all: A resounding "yes" from yours truly for Eloquence. It knows it is a synthesizer and doesn't try to sound human. Still, for clarity, quick speech that is always intelligible, there's nothing like it. Proofreading is a very important part of the translation work I do, and, before I even send the job through the braille embosser for the final check for typos and such, I send it through Eloquence as high speed for the "nutshell" effect. I actually like to have it read downloaded Bookshare books on my Apex. It sort of lets me fill in the personality of the character, doesn't get in the way like a not so good reader tends to do. Of course, I love listening to good readers. But I do consider Eloquence to belong to that category, though in a different way.





Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Synthesizer preferences are totally subjective. The Vocalizer voices are all pretty responsive now. They sound nice, for the most part, but when they miss a word, they miss it badly, and I'm talking about some pretty common words.
Eloquence and DecTalk Access both, by comparison, sound a little robotic (That's because you've never heard an Echo or an Echo PC from Street Electronics in the 80's). Eloquence and DecTalk, to me, are the clear champions when it comes to responsiveness. I think that, on average, they do a better job on common words than do the Vocalizer voices.
In the last decade, for various reasons related to work, I have had to switch back and forth between JAWS and WindowEyes, and my wife has a Macintosh.
My synthesizer of choice is still good old Eloquence.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I'm using Malcolm, I like him a lot.


Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
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From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: most responsive syn

Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer Tom high.


That's what I'm using too, and it's responsive enough for daily use. I'm running the new version released for JAWS 18, not the old 1.x version.









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Re: copy and paste

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Only hold down the, shift key, as you arrow down to select the lines of text.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:29 PM
Subject: copy and paste

I am finding that the copy and paste function in Jaws is somewhat
troublesome in that it does not copy all that you have selected.
Here is what I am doing and please tell me what I am doing wrong.
I go to a web page that has a recipe I wish to copy.  I go to the top of
where I want to start copying and while holding down the shift control
keys I arrow down the page until I have selected all I wish to copy.  I
then hit control C to copy the selected data to the clip board.  I then
open a word document and hit control v to paste the info.  It seems that
I am always missing the last few lines I am trying to copy.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.



Re: New member with a question about JAWS and Kindle

Shirley Tracy
 

Thank you, Dave and Carol:

I'm going to play with it again. If I have more questions, I'll come back and ask.

Cheerfully,
Shirley Tracy


Re: most responsive syn

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
 

I can't stand the compact voices. Guess I am hard to please? LOL. It is interesting and sad in a way because I went with W E originally because they had more human sounding voices as opposed to the synthetic voices on JAWS. I had no idea JAWS had such a variety of voices. I was never told by JAWS users about the extra voices. It is probably because they like the Eloquence voice so, never explored the other voices. Who knows.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 7:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Not always, but I have found the crankiness goes away from the female voices some if you use the compact or whatever it is they call the lesser-quality voices.


On 5/22/2017 10:04 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Melcom is my primary voice. I do use Ava as well. This is just a preference but, I found a lot of the female voices sound cranky like they are having a bad day. Again, that is a personal preference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

Synthesizer preferences are totally subjective. The Vocalizer voices are all pretty responsive now. They sound nice, for the most part, but when they miss a word, they miss it badly, and I'm talking about some pretty common words.
Eloquence and DecTalk Access both, by comparison, sound a little robotic (That's because you've never heard an Echo or an Echo PC from Street Electronics in the 80's). Eloquence and DecTalk, to me, are the clear champions when it comes to responsiveness. I think that, on average, they do a better job on common words than do the Vocalizer voices.
In the last decade, for various reasons related to work, I have had to switch back and forth between JAWS and WindowEyes, and my wife has a Macintosh.
My synthesizer of choice is still good old Eloquence.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Chris G
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: most responsive syn

I'm using Malcolm, I like him a lot.


Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more.
Contact:
Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500)
Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: most responsive syn

Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer Tom high.


That's what I'm using too, and it's responsive enough for daily use. I'm running the new version released for JAWS 18, not the old 1.x version.









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copy and paste

Don H
 

I am finding that the copy and paste function in Jaws is somewhat troublesome in that it does not copy all that you have selected.
Here is what I am doing and please tell me what I am doing wrong.
I go to a web page that has a recipe I wish to copy. I go to the top of where I want to start copying and while holding down the shift control keys I arrow down the page until I have selected all I wish to copy. I then hit control C to copy the selected data to the clip board. I then open a word document and hit control v to paste the info. It seems that I am always missing the last few lines I am trying to copy. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Re: voices and pitch

Carol Smith
 

Thanks Mike,

With the instructions you provided plus the clarification from Sieghard, excuse me if I didn't spell it correctly, I was able to make the pitch changes.  Yes, you can change pitch for other synthes, too.  I am using the Vocalizer compact voices and they work quite well with the pitch changes. 

Thanks again, and take care.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 6:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
The steps I provided are for Eloquence.  I don't use any other voices, so I'm sorry I didn't mention that.  Now with that being said, if you follow the steps, & when you tab to, Voice Adjust / All Contexts, arrow down to, PC, Jaws, Keyboard, or Tutor & Message cursor options, tab through each of these, & you will find the Voice Pitch Slider.  If you make a change in 1 of these cursors, tab to Apply, & spacebar it to save the change for that cursor.  After you make changes to each cursor Apply them, & when you are working with the last cursor after applying your change, now tab to Okay & press enter to save all your changes & close.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

Hi Mike,

OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps.  The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters.  I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice.  I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected.  I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5.  If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested.  Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too.

Carol

 
On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Try the following:
1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.
2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.
3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           
4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: voices and pitch

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol






Re: Big problems after creator's update

Michelle's Home Emails
 

Hi Sieghard  

Michelle here, didn't we get a note from FS to update 16 and 17 to make windows10 update accessible? With Jaws and windowsbleaupdates? Think this was In beta they found some issues with Jaws and windows10 updates.  

 May be wrong? 

Michelle 


Sent from my iPhone

On 23 May 2017, at 8:50 am, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

In this case if Microsoft Accessibility said that Jaws 17 is not compatible with Windows 10 Creators Update then whoever yout alked to doesn’t know what they are talking about.

If you have the latest update of Jaws 17 it is compatible with Creator’s Update.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of jeff armstrong
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Big problems after creator's update

 

Brian;

 

Sorry, I had some personal things come up which delayed me getting to the computer.  I just got off the phone with microsoft support as you suggested.  They were able to determine that Windows Creators edition of windows 10 is not compatible with Jaws 17 or vice-versa.  I am using Jaws 18 in 40 minute mode for the rest of today.  I tried Narrator for a while but the learning curve will be a thing in itself.  I will probably just update to 18.  I thank you for the number and the direction.  I never would have found this problem without doing the remote session with Microsoft.  Thanks again.

 

 

Jeff Armstrong

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From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:19 PM

Subject: Re: Big problems after creator's update

 

Are you able to use the WinKey to trigger a search and have it complete successfully?   If so, hit WinKey, search for "Recovery", and select "Recovery Options" from the returned search results.  This should open the Recovery pane of Update & Security settings and this is where the "Go back to an earlier build" (or something similar) button or link is located during the period that this function is supported.  I think that's for something like 10 days after upgrading.

My suspicion is that either there was corruption on your system prior to upgrading or that some "burp" occurred during the upgrade process itself.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


JaAWS returning from sleep mode

Don H
 

I had this same issue while running Window Eyes and it seems that the same thing is happening with Jaws. Running latest version of Win 10 and latest version of Jaws.
I have my laptop set to go into sleep mode when I shut the lid. If I do that when I then open the lid I have had Jaws be in some kind of mode where you can not access the icons on desktop nor can you open the Jaws User interface with insert J. Only way to resolve the situation is pressing the on/off button on the laptop.
If instead I hit alt F4 and select sleep mode before shutting the lid Jaws works fine when opening the lid. Anyone else seeing this problem?
Thanks


Re: WE to JAWS documentation?

Shannon
 

Thank you very much, I played with this on Sunday, and got myself completely and utterly confused. I just reread the message again and it makes a lot more sense now. I appreciate it very much. I'm going to reload the default, and start over. Thanks again.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Shannon,

 

You can have different voice settings for the PC cursor, Jaws cursor, keyboard voice and tutor and message voice. This includes a different Eloquence voice, different speed or pitch. I find Reed and Glenn are quite similar and the most useful Eloquence voices, I think by default the Jaws cursor uses Rocko which I don’t like at all and voices like Grandpa, Grandma, Shelly, Bobby and Sandy sound pretty silly to me.

If you want to change voice settings, press Jaws Key (Insert)+J, press enter on Options, go down one to Voices and press enter or spacebar to expand the submenu, then press enter on Voice Adjustment. Now tab 4 times until you get to the “Voice Adjust Combo Box”, you have “All Context” at the top, here you can only adjust the voice rate, volume etc. which then applies to all other voices. Down one is the PC cursor voice, here you can select one of the Eloquence voices (Reed is the default), adjust also the voice rate which then would only apply to the PC cursor, adjust punctuation and voice pitch. The first thing I always do when I install Jaws on a new PC is to cranc up the voice rate and then I lower the pitch which to me is way to high. I usually set it to “41” which translates to 40%.\

You can, of course, also download any of the Vocalizer Expressive voices as well and use them.

In order to do this, after you download and install them, you would first arrow down in the list of synthesizers to “Vocalizer Expressive”, then tab over 4 times and you have the same options for All context, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice and tutor and message voice. Go, for example, to PC cursor voice and tab one more time and you can then select any of the voices you may have downloaded, for example, Samantha. Once you made your selection it’s best to tab to the “Save As” button and in my example, save it as “Samntha” or “Vocalizer – Samantha”. This allows you to use the Jaws Key+Control+S hotkey to bring up the voice profile manager and if you saved it as “Samantha” then that is one of the choices here and you can easily switch to it.

In the same way you could, if you need it, set up profiles for different languages.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: WE to JAWS documentation?

 

Hi all,

I got my code and my copy of JAWS is live.

 

I now belong to quite a few mailing lists, and in one of the MANY messages regarding the WE to JAWS conversion it was mentioned that there were some specific documents on the topic or maybe it was a pod cast?

Has anyone else heard this? I sure can’t find it.

If anyone has the link for such things I would appreciate it if you could share it.

Ha Ha I would really love a JAWS to WE translation guide!

So many of the concepts are using different language than I am used to.

I am sure having trouble with the perspective of which curser is giving the feedback. Can I change the voices for all the different cursers? So I can tell who is talking to me?

 

 

Thanks

Shannon


Re: cursors in jaws

Shannon
 

Tim, I have been reading the manual a lot. If I read it correctly there are two ways. The number pad mine is key to times quickly, or insert and Z.
Then it appears that all of the movement keys are going to be related to that curser and either using the arrow keys or the number pad arrow keys that will be the perspective talking to you. If I have read any of it right.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds very interesting though, just for those tough situations where
nothing else has worked. How do I start and stop the invisible curser?

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

Tim,
I am by far and away no expert, but window eyes had one of these two and it
acted like a mouse only you can't click with it. You can only read around
the screen anywhere the mouse could go. So you might use it instead of using
the virtual PC curser or the mouse pointer to look around while leaving the
other two alone.




I believe and I could be wrong, but if while using the invisible cursor you
find something you want you can route the jaws/mouse cursor to the invisible
cursor so you could click if needed. Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the explanation! Since I am simply a regular non-technical level
JAWS users, it sounds like the invisible curser has nothing for me? Does
that sound accurate?

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

The invisible cursor is for use in scripts, it allows script code to perform
a cursor operation without moving any of the user cursors. I'm not even sure
that there are keystrokes that deal with the invisible cursor.

On 5/22/17, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:
How does one activate the invisible cursor, or am I mis-reading the
material below? I find steps to activate each of the other listed
cursers, but no such activation step listed for the invisible curser.
Please explain, I am very curious to check this out! I have used JAWS
since 1989, and have never tried nor understood its function and
capabilities.



Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws



Hi Don,



About JAWS Cursors, below all 4 of them are explained.
Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.
These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often
directly linked with Windows cursors.

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes
This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and
applications.
This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving
through options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons. As
you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you
press. If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC
Cursor highlights the currently selected object. The PC Cursor is
activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a different
cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer The JAWS Cursor is linked to
mouse pointer functions in Windows and other applications. It is used
to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar
information. The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is
moved, and you therefore have access to information in an application
window that is beyond the scope of the PC Cursor. To activate the JAWS
Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics
the functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when
entering an HTML document. The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of
frames in a document, and the number of links in the frame. You can
switch between frames, and JAWS reads graphics labeled by alt tags in
the HTML code.



Invisible Cursor

The JAWS cursor is basically the mouse cursor that is visible on screen.
The invisible cursor can be moved around just like the JAWS cursor to
view information. It works like the mouse cursor but can not be seen
on screen or effect objects. Therefore you can not use the NumPad /
(left mouse
click) or NumPad * (right mouse click) on an object. It is useful to
read information without disturbing the mouse cursor. It is also
useful to determine colors or whatever might change when the mouse is over
an object.

It will not cause ToolTips to pop up.



Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:17 AM

Subject: cursors in jaws



I am trying to do my best in learning JAWS under the help and training
sections listed in the JAWS user interface. If I understand it
correctly there three cursor modes in JAWS. I can find no help topics
discussing them and how to use them. Can someone lead me in the right
direction to learn all about cursors in Jaws.
Thanks






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Big problems after creator's update

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

In this case if Microsoft Accessibility said that Jaws 17 is not compatible with Windows 10 Creators Update then whoever yout alked to doesn’t know what they are talking about.

If you have the latest update of Jaws 17 it is compatible with Creator’s Update.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of jeff armstrong
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Big problems after creator's update

 

Brian;

 

Sorry, I had some personal things come up which delayed me getting to the computer.  I just got off the phone with microsoft support as you suggested.  They were able to determine that Windows Creators edition of windows 10 is not compatible with Jaws 17 or vice-versa.  I am using Jaws 18 in 40 minute mode for the rest of today.  I tried Narrator for a while but the learning curve will be a thing in itself.  I will probably just update to 18.  I thank you for the number and the direction.  I never would have found this problem without doing the remote session with Microsoft.  Thanks again.

 

 

Jeff Armstrong

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From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:19 PM

Subject: Re: Big problems after creator's update

 

Are you able to use the WinKey to trigger a search and have it complete successfully?   If so, hit WinKey, search for "Recovery", and select "Recovery Options" from the returned search results.  This should open the Recovery pane of Update & Security settings and this is where the "Go back to an earlier build" (or something similar) button or link is located during the period that this function is supported.  I think that's for something like 10 days after upgrading.

My suspicion is that either there was corruption on your system prior to upgrading or that some "burp" occurred during the upgrade process itself.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Big problems after creator's update

jeff armstrong <jeffarmstrong1380@...>
 

Brian;
 
Sorry, I had some personal things come up which delayed me getting to the computer.  I just got off the phone with microsoft support as you suggested.  They were able to determine that Windows Creators edition of windows 10 is not compatible with Jaws 17 or vice-versa.  I am using Jaws 18 in 40 minute mode for the rest of today.  I tried Narrator for a while but the learning curve will be a thing in itself.  I will probably just update to 18.  I thank you for the number and the direction.  I never would have found this problem without doing the remote session with Microsoft.  Thanks again.
 
 
Jeff Armstrong

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Big problems after creator's update
 
Are you able to use the WinKey to trigger a search and have it complete successfully?   If so, hit WinKey, search for "Recovery", and select "Recovery Options" from the returned search results.  This should open the Recovery pane of Update & Security settings and this is where the "Go back to an earlier build" (or something similar) button or link is located during the period that this function is supported.  I think that's for something like 10 days after upgrading.

My suspicion is that either there was corruption on your system prior to upgrading or that some "burp" occurred during the upgrade process itself.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

judith bron
 

Does this command work again only in the program you are typing in or does it stay active in the next program you type in? Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

Carol, JAWSKey(insert)+spacebar then s to turn speech off or on.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io [mailto:carollablady=aol.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

How do I get Jaws to stop speaking while running programs that have their own speech? For example, Kurzweil has a Jaws built-in way to take care of this. I would like to play my BlindGamers games without having to shut Jaws down completely. Can this be done? Thanks.

Carol




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Re: voices and pitch

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Carol,
 
The steps I provided are for Eloquence.  I don't use any other voices, so I'm sorry I didn't mention that.  Now with that being said, if you follow the steps, & when you tab to, Voice Adjust / All Contexts, arrow down to, PC, Jaws, Keyboard, or Tutor & Message cursor options, tab through each of these, & you will find the Voice Pitch Slider.  If you make a change in 1 of these cursors, tab to Apply, & spacebar it to save the change for that cursor.  After you make changes to each cursor Apply them, & when you are working with the last cursor after applying your change, now tab to Okay & press enter to save all your changes & close.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

Hi Mike,

OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps.  The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters.  I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice.  I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected.  I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5.  If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested.  Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too.

Carol

 
On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Try the following:
1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.
2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.
3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           
4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: voices and pitch

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol





Re: cursors in jaws

Tim Ford
 

Sounds very interesting though, just for those tough situations where
nothing else has worked. How do I start and stop the invisible curser?

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

Tim,
I am by far and away no expert, but window eyes had one of these two and it
acted like a mouse only you can't click with it. You can only read around
the screen anywhere the mouse could go. So you might use it instead of using
the virtual PC curser or the mouse pointer to look around while leaving the
other two alone.




I believe and I could be wrong, but if while using the invisible cursor you
find something you want you can route the jaws/mouse cursor to the invisible
cursor so you could click if needed. Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the explanation! Since I am simply a regular non-technical level
JAWS users, it sounds like the invisible curser has nothing for me? Does
that sound accurate?

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

The invisible cursor is for use in scripts, it allows script code to perform
a cursor operation without moving any of the user cursors. I'm not even sure
that there are keystrokes that deal with the invisible cursor.

On 5/22/17, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:
How does one activate the invisible cursor, or am I mis-reading the
material below? I find steps to activate each of the other listed
cursers, but no such activation step listed for the invisible curser.
Please explain, I am very curious to check this out! I have used JAWS
since 1989, and have never tried nor understood its function and
capabilities.



Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws



Hi Don,



About JAWS Cursors, below all 4 of them are explained.
Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.
These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often
directly linked with Windows cursors.

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes
This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and
applications.
This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving
through options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons. As
you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you
press. If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC
Cursor highlights the currently selected object. The PC Cursor is
activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a different
cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer The JAWS Cursor is linked to
mouse pointer functions in Windows and other applications. It is used
to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar
information. The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is
moved, and you therefore have access to information in an application
window that is beyond the scope of the PC Cursor. To activate the JAWS
Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics
the functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when
entering an HTML document. The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of
frames in a document, and the number of links in the frame. You can
switch between frames, and JAWS reads graphics labeled by alt tags in
the HTML code.



Invisible Cursor

The JAWS cursor is basically the mouse cursor that is visible on screen.
The invisible cursor can be moved around just like the JAWS cursor to
view information. It works like the mouse cursor but can not be seen
on screen or effect objects. Therefore you can not use the NumPad /
(left mouse
click) or NumPad * (right mouse click) on an object. It is useful to
read information without disturbing the mouse cursor. It is also
useful to determine colors or whatever might change when the mouse is over
an object.

It will not cause ToolTips to pop up.



Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:17 AM

Subject: cursors in jaws



I am trying to do my best in learning JAWS under the help and training
sections listed in the JAWS user interface. If I understand it
correctly there three cursor modes in JAWS. I can find no help topics
discussing them and how to use them. Can someone lead me in the right
direction to learn all about cursors in Jaws.
Thanks






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: voices and pitch

Carol Smith
 

Hi Sieghard,

OK, thanks.  This makes sense.  I will try it.  I sort of like all of the cursors sounding the same, but I suppose it would have advantages with separate voices.

Carol

On 5/22/2017 5:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol




Re: voices and pitch

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Yes, that is true, but you can adjust the pitch that Jaws speaks upper case letters in All Contexts.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: voices and pitch

 

Hi Carol,

 

Try the following:

1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.

2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.

3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           

4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM

Subject: voices and pitch

 

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol



Re: voices and pitch

Carol Smith
 

Hi Mike,

OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps.  The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters.  I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice.  I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected.  I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5.  If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested.  Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too.

Carol

 

On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Try the following:
1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu.
2. Press the letter, O, to open Options.
3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter.           
4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust.  Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments.  Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: voices and pitch

Hi,

Although I am getting used to playing around with voices and their
settings, I have not been able to change the pitch for any of them.  Is
this possible?  For example, the Reid voice would be reasonable except
it is a bit too bassy.  On the other hand, Glenn sounds better, but this
voice is too high to suite me.  Is there a way I can change the
settings?  Also, does pitch work for other synthes?  Thanks.

Carol





Re: cursors in jaws

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

The jaws insert key in the Z isn't Zulu

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2017, at 14:59, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
The Invisible cursor can be activated by pressing Numpad Minus key twice quickly.  Try turning Keyboard help on, Jaws key + 1 on the number row,press numpad minus twice quickly, to get an explanation.  Remember to turn keyboard help off.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

How does one activate the invisible cursor, or am I mis-reading the material below?  I find steps to activate each of the other listed cursers, but no such activation step listed for the invisible curser.  Please explain, I am very curious to check this out!  I have used JAWS since 1989, and have never tried nor understood its function and capabilities.

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

 

Hi Don,

 

About JAWS Cursors, below all 4 of them are explained.
Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors. These
cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly linked
with Windows cursors.

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes
This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and
 applications.
This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through
options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons. As you type
information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you press. If you
 are
making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor highlights the
currently selected object. The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS
starts. If you are using a different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns
you to the PC Cursor.

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer
The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other
applications. It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read,
 such
as toolbar information. The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when
 it
is moved, and you therefore have access to information in an application
window that is beyond the scope of the PC Cursor. To activate the JAWS
Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment
The virtual PC Cursor mimics the functions of the PC Cursor, but is
activated by default when entering an HTML document. The virtual PC Cursor
speaks the number of frames in a document, and the number of links in the
frame. You can switch between frames, and JAWS reads graphics labeled by
 alt
tags in the HTML code.

 

Invisible Cursor

The JAWS cursor is basically the mouse cursor that is visible on screen.
The invisible cursor can be moved around just like the JAWS cursor to view
information.  It works like the mouse cursor but can not be seen on screen
or effect objects.  Therefore you can not use the NumPad / (left mouse
click) or NumPad * (right mouse click) on an object.  It is useful to read
information without disturbing the mouse cursor.  It is also useful to
determine colors or whatever might change when the mouse is over an object.
It will not cause ToolTips to pop up.

 

Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:17 AM

Subject: cursors in jaws

 

I am trying to do my best in learning JAWS under the help and training
sections listed in the JAWS user interface.  If I understand it
correctly there three cursor modes in JAWS.  I can find no help topics
discussing them and how to use them.  Can someone lead me in the right
direction to learn all about cursors in Jaws.
Thanks