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Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs
Mario
it stays asleep until you wake it up with the insert+spacebar s. so yes,
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it will stay active in the next program you type in.
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From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:29 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs Does this command work again only in the program you are typing in or does it stay active in the next program you type in? Judith -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs Carol, JAWSKey(insert)+spacebar then s to turn speech off or on. -------- Original Message -------- From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io [mailto:carollablady=aol.com@groups.io] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:40 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs How do I get Jaws to stop speaking while running programs that have their own speech? For example, Kurzweil has a Jaws built-in way to take care of this. I would like to play my BlindGamers games without having to shut Jaws down completely. Can this be done? Thanks. Carol . .
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Re: most responsive syn
David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
I suppose it is a personal preference like I mentioned. Having said all of this, I remember years ago there was a P A announcer in the U S who, when making announcements in the arena, sounded like a robot. The joke was, they wound him up before the sporting event.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:10 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: most responsive syn Hi all: A resounding "yes" from yours truly for Eloquence. It knows it is a synthesizer and doesn't try to sound human. Still, for clarity, quick speech that is always intelligible, there's nothing like it. Proofreading is a very important part of the translation work I do, and, before I even send the job through the braille embosser for the final check for typos and such, I send it through Eloquence as high speed for the "nutshell" effect. I actually like to have it read downloaded Bookshare books on my Apex. It sort of lets me fill in the personality of the character, doesn't get in the way like a not so good reader tends to do. Of course, I love listening to good readers. But I do consider Eloquence to belong to that category, though in a different way. Gudrun -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:49 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: most responsive syn Synthesizer preferences are totally subjective. The Vocalizer voices are all pretty responsive now. They sound nice, for the most part, but when they miss a word, they miss it badly, and I'm talking about some pretty common words. Eloquence and DecTalk Access both, by comparison, sound a little robotic (That's because you've never heard an Echo or an Echo PC from Street Electronics in the 80's). Eloquence and DecTalk, to me, are the clear champions when it comes to responsiveness. I think that, on average, they do a better job on common words than do the Vocalizer voices. In the last decade, for various reasons related to work, I have had to switch back and forth between JAWS and WindowEyes, and my wife has a Macintosh. My synthesizer of choice is still good old Eloquence. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: most responsive syn I'm using Malcolm, I like him a lot. Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower -------- Original Message -------- From: Jason White via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:52 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: most responsive syn Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote: Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer Tom high. That's what I'm using too, and it's responsive enough for daily use. I'm running the new version released for JAWS 18, not the old 1.x version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipients above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you.
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Re: copy and paste
Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
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Only hold down the, shift key, as you
arrow down to select the lines of text.
Take care, Mike. Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
troublesome in that it does not copy all that you have selected. Here is what I am doing and please tell me what I am doing wrong. I go to a web page that has a recipe I wish to copy. I go to the top of where I want to start copying and while holding down the shift control keys I arrow down the page until I have selected all I wish to copy. I then hit control C to copy the selected data to the clip board. I then open a word document and hit control v to paste the info. It seems that I am always missing the last few lines I am trying to copy. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: New member with a question about JAWS and Kindle
Shirley Tracy
Thank you, Dave and Carol:
I'm going to play with it again. If I have more questions, I'll come back and ask. Cheerfully, Shirley Tracy
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Re: most responsive syn
David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
I can't stand the compact voices. Guess I am hard to please? LOL. It is interesting and sad in a way because I went with W E originally because they had more human sounding voices as opposed to the synthetic voices on JAWS. I had no idea JAWS had such a variety of voices. I was never told by JAWS users about the extra voices. It is probably because they like the Eloquence voice so, never explored the other voices. Who knows.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 7:53 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: most responsive syn Not always, but I have found the crankiness goes away from the female voices some if you use the compact or whatever it is they call the lesser-quality voices. On 5/22/2017 10:04 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote: Melcom is my primary voice. I do use Ava as well. This is just a preference but, I found a lot of the female voices sound cranky like they are having a bad day. Again, that is a personal preference.
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copy and paste
Don H
I am finding that the copy and paste function in Jaws is somewhat troublesome in that it does not copy all that you have selected.
Here is what I am doing and please tell me what I am doing wrong. I go to a web page that has a recipe I wish to copy. I go to the top of where I want to start copying and while holding down the shift control keys I arrow down the page until I have selected all I wish to copy. I then hit control C to copy the selected data to the clip board. I then open a word document and hit control v to paste the info. It seems that I am always missing the last few lines I am trying to copy. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: voices and pitch
Carol Smith
Thanks Mike,
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With the instructions you provided plus the clarification from Sieghard, excuse me if I didn't spell it correctly, I was able to make the pitch changes. Yes, you can change pitch for other synthes, too. I am using the Vocalizer compact voices and they work quite well with the pitch changes. Thanks again, and take care. Carol
On 5/22/2017 6:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:
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Re: Big problems after creator's update
Michelle's Home Emails
Hi Sieghard Michelle here, didn't we get a note from FS to update 16 and 17 to make windows10 update accessible? With Jaws and windowsbleaupdates? Think this was In beta they found some issues with Jaws and windows10 updates. May be wrong? Michelle Sent from my iPhone
On 23 May 2017, at 8:50 am, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
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JaAWS returning from sleep mode
Don H
I had this same issue while running Window Eyes and it seems that the same thing is happening with Jaws. Running latest version of Win 10 and latest version of Jaws.
I have my laptop set to go into sleep mode when I shut the lid. If I do that when I then open the lid I have had Jaws be in some kind of mode where you can not access the icons on desktop nor can you open the Jaws User interface with insert J. Only way to resolve the situation is pressing the on/off button on the laptop. If instead I hit alt F4 and select sleep mode before shutting the lid Jaws works fine when opening the lid. Anyone else seeing this problem? Thanks
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Re: WE to JAWS documentation?
Shannon
Thank you very much, I played with this on Sunday, and got myself completely and utterly confused. I just reread the message again and it makes a lot more sense now. I appreciate it very much. I'm going to reload the default, and start over. Thanks again. Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
Hi Shannon,
You can have different voice settings for the PC cursor, Jaws cursor, keyboard voice and tutor and message voice. This includes a different Eloquence voice, different speed or pitch. I find Reed and Glenn are quite similar and the most useful Eloquence voices, I think by default the Jaws cursor uses Rocko which I don’t like at all and voices like Grandpa, Grandma, Shelly, Bobby and Sandy sound pretty silly to me. If you want to change voice settings, press Jaws Key (Insert)+J, press enter on Options, go down one to Voices and press enter or spacebar to expand the submenu, then press enter on Voice Adjustment. Now tab 4 times until you get to the “Voice Adjust Combo Box”, you have “All Context” at the top, here you can only adjust the voice rate, volume etc. which then applies to all other voices. Down one is the PC cursor voice, here you can select one of the Eloquence voices (Reed is the default), adjust also the voice rate which then would only apply to the PC cursor, adjust punctuation and voice pitch. The first thing I always do when I install Jaws on a new PC is to cranc up the voice rate and then I lower the pitch which to me is way to high. I usually set it to “41” which translates to 40%.\ You can, of course, also download any of the Vocalizer Expressive voices as well and use them. In order to do this, after you download and install them, you would first arrow down in the list of synthesizers to “Vocalizer Expressive”, then tab over 4 times and you have the same options for All context, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice and tutor and message voice. Go, for example, to PC cursor voice and tab one more time and you can then select any of the voices you may have downloaded, for example, Samantha. Once you made your selection it’s best to tab to the “Save As” button and in my example, save it as “Samntha” or “Vocalizer – Samantha”. This allows you to use the Jaws Key+Control+S hotkey to bring up the voice profile manager and if you saved it as “Samantha” then that is one of the choices here and you can easily switch to it. In the same way you could, if you need it, set up profiles for different languages.
Regards, Sieghard
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Shannon
Hi all, I got my code and my copy of JAWS is live.
I now belong to quite a few mailing lists, and in one of the MANY messages regarding the WE to JAWS conversion it was mentioned that there were some specific documents on the topic or maybe it was a pod cast? Has anyone else heard this? I sure can’t find it. If anyone has the link for such things I would appreciate it if you could share it. Ha Ha I would really love a JAWS to WE translation guide! So many of the concepts are using different language than I am used to. I am sure having trouble with the perspective of which curser is giving the feedback. Can I change the voices for all the different cursers? So I can tell who is talking to me?
Thanks Shannon
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Re: cursors in jaws
Shannon
Tim, I have been reading the manual a lot. If I read it correctly there are two ways. The number pad mine is key to times quickly, or insert and Z.
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Then it appears that all of the movement keys are going to be related to that curser and either using the arrow keys or the number pad arrow keys that will be the perspective talking to you. If I have read any of it right. Sent from my iPhone
On May 22, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds very interesting though, just for those tough situations where nothing else has worked. How do I start and stop the invisible curser? Tim -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: cursors in jaws Tim, I am by far and away no expert, but window eyes had one of these two and it acted like a mouse only you can't click with it. You can only read around the screen anywhere the mouse could go. So you might use it instead of using the virtual PC curser or the mouse pointer to look around while leaving the other two alone. I believe and I could be wrong, but if while using the invisible cursor you find something you want you can route the jaws/mouse cursor to the invisible cursor so you could click if needed. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the explanation! Since I am simply a regular non-technical level JAWS users, it sounds like the invisible curser has nothing for me? Does that sound accurate? Tim Ford -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: cursors in jaws The invisible cursor is for use in scripts, it allows script code to perform a cursor operation without moving any of the user cursors. I'm not even sure that there are keystrokes that deal with the invisible cursor. On 5/22/17, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:capabilities. an object.
-- Soronel Haetir soronel.haetir@gmail.com
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Re: Big problems after creator's update
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
In this case if Microsoft Accessibility said that Jaws 17 is not compatible with Windows 10 Creators Update then whoever yout alked to doesn’t know what they are talking about. If you have the latest update of Jaws 17 it is compatible with Creator’s Update.
Regards, Sieghard
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of jeff armstrong
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:30 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Big problems after creator's update
Brian;
Sorry, I had some personal things come up which delayed me getting to the computer. I just got off the phone with microsoft support as you suggested. They were able to determine that Windows Creators edition of windows 10 is not compatible with Jaws 17 or vice-versa. I am using Jaws 18 in 40 minute mode for the rest of today. I tried Narrator for a while but the learning curve will be a thing in itself. I will probably just update to 18. I thank you for the number and the direction. I never would have found this problem without doing the remote session with Microsoft. Thanks again.
Jeff Armstrong
From: Brian Vogel Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Big problems after creator's update
Are you able to use the WinKey to trigger a search and have it complete successfully? If so, hit WinKey, search for "Recovery", and select "Recovery Options" from the returned search results.
This should open the Recovery pane of Update & Security settings and this is where the "Go back to an earlier build" (or something similar) button or link is located during the period that this function is supported. I think that's for something like 10 days
after upgrading. Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.
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Re: Big problems after creator's update
jeff armstrong <jeffarmstrong1380@...>
Brian;
Sorry, I had some personal things come up which delayed me getting to the
computer. I just got off the phone with microsoft support as you
suggested. They were able to determine that Windows Creators edition of
windows 10 is not compatible with Jaws 17 or vice-versa. I am using Jaws
18 in 40 minute mode for the rest of today. I tried Narrator for a while
but the learning curve will be a thing in itself. I will probably just
update to 18. I thank you for the number and the direction. I never
would have found this problem without doing the remote session with
Microsoft. Thanks again.
Jeff
Armstrong
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From: Brian
Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Big problems after creator's update Are
you able to use the WinKey to trigger a search and have it complete
successfully? If so, hit WinKey, search for "Recovery", and select
"Recovery Options" from the returned search results. This should open the
Recovery pane of Update & Security settings and this is where the "Go back
to an earlier build" (or something similar) button or link is located during the
period that this function is supported. I think that's for something like
10 days after upgrading. My suspicion is that either there was corruption on your system prior to upgrading or that some "burp" occurred during the upgrade process itself. -- Brian Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.
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Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs
judith bron
Does this command work again only in the program you are typing in or does it stay active in the next program you type in? Judith
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs Carol, JAWSKey(insert)+spacebar then s to turn speech off or on. -------- Original Message -------- From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io [mailto:carollablady=aol.com@groups.io] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:40 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs How do I get Jaws to stop speaking while running programs that have their own speech? For example, Kurzweil has a Jaws built-in way to take care of this. I would like to play my BlindGamers games without having to shut Jaws down completely. Can this be done? Thanks. Carol .
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Re: voices and pitch
Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
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Hi Carol,
The steps I provided are for
Eloquence. I don't use any other voices, so I'm sorry I didn't mention
that. Now with that being said, if you follow the steps, & when you
tab to, Voice Adjust / All Contexts, arrow down to, PC, Jaws, Keyboard, or Tutor
& Message cursor options, tab through each of these, & you will find the
Voice Pitch Slider. If you make a change in 1 of these cursors, tab to
Apply, & spacebar it to save the change for that cursor. After you
make changes to each cursor Apply them, & when you are working with the last
cursor after applying your change, now tab to Okay & press enter to save all
your changes & close.
Take care, Mike. Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: voices and pitch OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps. The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters. I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice. I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected. I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5. If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested. Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too. Carol On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:
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Re: cursors in jaws
Tim Ford
Sounds very interesting though, just for those tough situations where
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nothing else has worked. How do I start and stop the invisible curser? Tim
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: cursors in jaws Tim, I am by far and away no expert, but window eyes had one of these two and it acted like a mouse only you can't click with it. You can only read around the screen anywhere the mouse could go. So you might use it instead of using the virtual PC curser or the mouse pointer to look around while leaving the other two alone. I believe and I could be wrong, but if while using the invisible cursor you find something you want you can route the jaws/mouse cursor to the invisible cursor so you could click if needed. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the explanation! Since I am simply a regular non-technical level JAWS users, it sounds like the invisible curser has nothing for me? Does that sound accurate? Tim Ford -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: cursors in jaws The invisible cursor is for use in scripts, it allows script code to perform a cursor operation without moving any of the user cursors. I'm not even sure that there are keystrokes that deal with the invisible cursor. On 5/22/17, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:capabilities. an object.
-- Soronel Haetir soronel.haetir@gmail.com
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Re: voices and pitch
Carol Smith
Hi Sieghard,
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OK, thanks. This makes sense. I will try it. I sort of like all of the cursors sounding the same, but I suppose it would have advantages with separate voices. Carol
On 5/22/2017 5:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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Re: voices and pitch
Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
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Yes, that is true, but you can adjust
the pitch that Jaws speaks upper case letters in All Contexts.
Take care, Mike. Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: voices and pitch You can’t adjust pitch for the All Context voice, you have to be on one of the other 4, PC cursor voice, Jaws cursor voice, keyboard voice or tutor and message voice.
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Carol,
Try the following: 1. Press, Insert / Jaws key + J, to open the Jaws context menu. 2. Press the letter, O, to open Options. 3. Press the letter, V, to open Voices, or arrow down to it & press enter. 4. Press enter on, Voice Adjustment, & tab down to, Voice Adjust. Here you can make the pitch change amongst many other setting adjustments. Make sure to Apply & Okay your changes. Take care, Mike. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM Subject: voices and pitch
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Re: voices and pitch
Carol Smith
Hi Mike,
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OK, this time, I have already gone through all of those steps. The only pitch change option I can find is for capital letters. I want to actually adjust the speaking pitch of the selected voice. I did look through the settings and there is no pitch change for any of the ones I selected. I have NeoSpeech, Vocalizer, Vocalizer HQ, Eloquence and sapi5. If I am missing something, I don't know where it is because I did exactly what you suggested. Thanks for trying, and if you have any other ideas, I will be glad to try them, too. Carol
On 5/22/2017 5:51 PM, Mike B. wrote:
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Re: cursors in jaws
george b <gbmagoo@...>
The jaws insert key in the Z isn't Zulu Sent from my iPhone
On May 22, 2017, at 14:59, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
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