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Re: Problem with Firefox constantly refreshing and Jaws

Cristóbal
 

Go to tools, options. Go to advanced then general and check the box that says warn you when page tries to redirect or load. I fhind this message annoying, but oh well, it’s that or have the page continue to reload all the time I suppose.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Firefox constantly refreshing and Jaws

 

How did you fix the Java refreshes?

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:29 PM

Subject: Re: Problem with Firefox constantly refreshing and Jaws

 

Fixed it. Had to do with Java refreshes.

Thanks,

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Firefox constantly refreshing and Jaws

 

Cristóbal,

            Have you tried to do what you're doing with at least one other browser, and preferably two?   I ask not because I don' think it should ultimately work in Firefox, but this could be a Firefox issue, a JAWS issue, or a webpage coding issue.   If this works under another browser we can eliminate (or at least really doubt) both the webpage coding and JAWS issues.

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key labels

Don H
 

How do I stop such things as the tab key from saying tab when pressed?
Thanks


Re: decaccess 32

Shai
 

Hi,
As far as I know, this synth is not available for JAWS any longer
despite being a supported synthesizer as part of the JAWS synthesizer
and braille manager. I tried calling FreedomScientific about this a
few years back as this is my favorite synth too and they do not sell
an authorization for it any longer.
The only solution to this I have found is to obtain a DecTalk Express
hardware synth if you can find one. These usually appear from time to
time online.

On 5/19/17, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
As everyone knows we all get used to our favorite syn. For me I used
Decaccess32 with window eyes. Is this syn available for Jaws?
I am a total newbee with Jaws but so far I like it. Can't wait to learn
all its ins and outs.
Thanks




Re: adding voices

Don H
 

OK so I got the voices to work as you described and I thank you for that. I now have the vocalizer Tom High voice as my default syn. However when I open the Jaws UI with insert j I am switched back to another voice. Any way to get the voice to work everywhere?

On 5/19/2017 9:05 AM, Marquette, Ed wrote:
I'm so glad this seems counterintuitive to you. This comes up periodically on this list. I think I'm the last to have encountered this problem. There were lots of good suggestions, but NONE worked.
Technical Support at Freedom Scientific walked me through the following.
I'm guessing you are talking about the Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices. They actually don't show up anywhere one would expect.
Go to the JAWS menu (JawsKey + J), then activate the "Options."
After that, go to the Voice Adjustment menu.
You will see some software synthesizers, including Eloquence.
You will have a Vocalizer Expressive Voice Installed. You probably already had one installed. So, it looks like nothing happened. Well, that may be true, but it probably is just the counterintuitive way Freedom Scientific set this up. I'm guessing you are looking for Susan, Allison, or one of the other voice persons. They are there; they are just hidden. Arrow down to the Vocalizer Expressive synthesizer. Then press Alt + V. You might have to tab once (I don't remember specifically, but you are not more than two tabs away after you hit Alt + V).
I think you can now arrow up and down to pick your voice, e.g., Susan or Alison. Arrow down to pick the voice you want to use (at least part of the time).
Then, DO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL! Tab over, way over, until you come to a "Save As" prompt.
At that point save this "Person" as a synthesizer, e.g., SusanVoice or AlisonVoice.
Then hit apply and OK.
Now, when you do a voice adjustment, you will have synthesizers that match the name and settings for the "persons, e.g., SusanVoice."
By the way, you do this process EVEN if you downloaded the big files individually. Remember, the compressed voices all come in one file.
I'm guessing you downloaded the big files that are linked to the "person" names. That, in fact, is what fooled me.
I downloaded Susan, and I illogically thought I would find a file installed as Susan. NOT SO.
ALL the voices are tucked away in the Vocalizer Expressive menu.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 8:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: adding voices
I have download and installed the extra voices that I got from the fs web page. After a reboot they do not show up in the voices list in the Jaws UI. How do I get them to show up?
Thanks.
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decaccess 32

Don H
 

As everyone knows we all get used to our favorite syn. For me I used Decaccess32 with window eyes. Is this syn available for Jaws?
I am a total newbee with Jaws but so far I like it. Can't wait to learn all its ins and outs.
Thanks


Re: adding voices

Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...>
 

I'm so glad this seems counterintuitive to you. This comes up periodically on this list. I think I'm the last to have encountered this problem. There were lots of good suggestions, but NONE worked.
Technical Support at Freedom Scientific walked me through the following.
I'm guessing you are talking about the Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices. They actually don't show up anywhere one would expect.
Go to the JAWS menu (JawsKey + J), then activate the "Options."
After that, go to the Voice Adjustment menu.
You will see some software synthesizers, including Eloquence.
You will have a Vocalizer Expressive Voice Installed. You probably already had one installed. So, it looks like nothing happened. Well, that may be true, but it probably is just the counterintuitive way Freedom Scientific set this up. I'm guessing you are looking for Susan, Allison, or one of the other voice persons. They are there; they are just hidden. Arrow down to the Vocalizer Expressive synthesizer. Then press Alt + V. You might have to tab once (I don't remember specifically, but you are not more than two tabs away after you hit Alt + V).
I think you can now arrow up and down to pick your voice, e.g., Susan or Alison. Arrow down to pick the voice you want to use (at least part of the time).
Then, DO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL! Tab over, way over, until you come to a "Save As" prompt.
At that point save this "Person" as a synthesizer, e.g., SusanVoice or AlisonVoice.
Then hit apply and OK.
Now, when you do a voice adjustment, you will have synthesizers that match the name and settings for the "persons, e.g., SusanVoice."
By the way, you do this process EVEN if you downloaded the big files individually. Remember, the compressed voices all come in one file.
I'm guessing you downloaded the big files that are linked to the "person" names. That, in fact, is what fooled me.
I downloaded Susan, and I illogically thought I would find a file installed as Susan. NOT SO.
ALL the voices are tucked away in the Vocalizer Expressive menu.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 8:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: adding voices

I have download and installed the extra voices that I got from the fs web page. After a reboot they do not show up in the voices list in the Jaws UI. How do I get them to show up?
Thanks.




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adding voices

Don H
 

I have download and installed the extra voices that I got from the fs web page. After a reboot they do not show up in the voices list in the Jaws UI. How do I get them to show up?
Thanks.


Re: Shortcut for Itune 12 with jaws

Alan Robbins
 

Not sure off the top of my head, and am not currently in front of my computer, but I know if you go to the menus above and arrow through there it will show you the different controls and also list the shortcut to get to them

On May 19, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Adekoya Rasak <rasakadekoya@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello All,

If you're using jaws with I tune 12, pleas what are the key strokes? I
know space bar for play/pause, control up and down arrow key for
volume up and down. what are the other keys for fast forward (not next
track), back forward (not previous track) and other keys you might
know.

Please share.

Regard.

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Shortcut for Itune 12 with jaws

Adekoya Rasak
 

Hello All,

If you're using jaws with I tune 12, pleas what are the key strokes? I
know space bar for play/pause, control up and down arrow key for
volume up and down. what are the other keys for fast forward (not next
track), back forward (not previous track) and other keys you might
know.

Please share.

Regard.

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*Leadership, Management & Content Consultant* at www.360Connect.com.ng
<http://www.360connect.com.ng/>

Statistics are like bikini. what they reveal are suggestive. what they
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Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

You mean the OCR commands?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

What is the JAWS command for PDF, please? Thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

I'm still using 16 (which may reduce the value of my input),
and have used it on 2010, 2013, and 2016. The JAWS cursors
function like mouse buttons, and allow you to go outside
the typing area, where angels sometimes fear to tread.



As for the learning curve, take it as you need it. focus
on the basic tutorial, which will tell you everything you
need to get started. Learn fancy features as you need them.
It's a really slick program with good ergonomics, and runs
with a huge program library



When you need it, you'll love the PDF functionality, which,
when combined with the recent PDF-friendly features in
Office, puts real power on your desktop. Many, if not most,
offices use this versatile format, and it'll probably mean
you will not have to purchase the full-blown Acrobat
program, which will save either you or your employer a
nickel or two.



Ted



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Hi Shannon! JAWS offers a lot of helpful training materials
that are free. To locate these, navigate to the JAWS Window
by pressing either Alt Tab or Insert plus the letter J.
Insert is also the 0 key on the number pad on a regular
desktop keyboard, provided that your num lock setting is set
to off. Once you are there, press Alt plus the letter H to
bring up the help menu. Then you can use the arrow keys to
find the training option. Press enter to open this menu.
You should land in a table of contents for all of the
training materials. Depending on how JAWS was installed on
your system, you can either select the particular module you
are wanting to read, or download it. You can use the arrow
keys to navigate through the page, and find all of the
choices. I hope this is helpful for you. Good luck! I
know that being a new JAWS user can be very overwhelming at
first. I was there and I haven't forgotten how confusing it
was for me. I urge you to go through these training
modules. They will be very helpful to you. They are guided
as well with audio to listen to, if you don't want to read
the information.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many
conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned
about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to
go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few
things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel
all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that
true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also
use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle
the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the
MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different
email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or
buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as
WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom
scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I
can't tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of
cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and
something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can
I read the screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to
configure it I can't tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program,
and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do
not behave well and most likely are going to require special
custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if
Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing
the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon


Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying anew version of JAWS is the proper solution.

David Moore
 

Hi Sieghard!

Everytime I call for technical help, I always figure it out myself, and I say to my self why did I waist all of that time on the phone LOL!

I get more answers by searching on Google LOL!

Have a great one, glad you have JAWS working for you!

David Moore

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying anew version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

Just thought I provide a quick update that I solved my problem without Jaws tech support, should have probably done so right away instead of spending 10 minutes on the phone argueing with this lady about how long Jaws has been around. In the end I simply decided to completely uninstall Jaws, I removed shared components since I don't have Openbook or anything like that installed, also removed all user settings after first exporting a backup copy. Then I reinstalled Jaws and before I imported my settings again I tried Sage 50 and another of my retail applications which wouldn't read and all was working as before. I then imported my settings and everything was still working fine. I have no idea what had gone wrong before, but it seems to be fixed.

When I tried to move the Jaws cursor down to the bottom of the screen before and it didn't seem to go there I used the Alt+NumPad Delete command to see where my Jaws cursor was located and it said vertically it was at "14" and it was stuck there. I made sure it was set to "unrestricted" but nothing I did made a difference. Oh well, in the end that only took about 15 or 20 minutes at the most so not too bad.

I just love it when sometimes these tech support people think everybody they talk to is a moron who has no clue and they try to convince you that this can't, in this case, possibly be a problem of Jaws, it must be because the application was updated and has changed or whatever. I told her I was running the 2014 version of Sage 50 because it works well and there have been no updates to it in almost 4 years, I have not changed anything on this PC except installing the Jaws 18.0.2740 update which she of course said couldn't possibly be the problem.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:55 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

Oh, Brian, thank you for these words! I once called Freedom Scientific Tech support and got one visually equipped person who could immediately help me because he could see what was going on. I later had a problem with the WordFinder program (a translation dictionary tool) for which JAWS wasn't working too efficiently. I called Freedom Scientific and got a tech support assistant who, from what I could tell, was not visually equipped. I explained that, perhaps, a sighted person would be more able to see what JAWS should be showing and wasn't, and provide helpful feedback as to what I could do to have it work better. The woman got very huffy, obviously deeply insulted. I told her there was a reason for my asking for a sighted assistant, implying no slur to blind tech support people, but to a situation where sight might be helpful, and there was no need to get huffy. Obviously, she was not impressed...

 

 

Gudrun

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:24 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

It is the great lie to believe that sight may not be important or critical in solving certain problems quickly and efficiently.

 

I have been, and probably will be, castigated for stating that but it's true.

 

Stating the above says nothing, positive or negative, about the competence of someone who's blind or visually impaired.  What it does say is that you sometimes face the choice of taking forever to get through something that someone who sees literally sees in real time.  When dealing with a primarily visual medium it only makes sense to take that into account when you're in a bind that you need to get out of as promptly as possible.

 

There is no shame, and no weakness, implied in asking for the most effective assistance one can get in any given situation where one needs it.  If one has the luxury of time, and wants to learn something for the sake of learning it, then go methodically plowing through it (and this applies regardless of whether you have vision or not).  But if I'm in a work situation and I need something resolved that sight would most likely make faster, it is absolutely not the job of technical support to treat the request as though it were a personal aspersion and they should, in fact, know this themselves if they've been at the job for more than a brief period of time.

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Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

Just thought I provide a quick update that I solved my problem without Jaws tech support, should have probably done so right away instead of spending 10 minutes on the phone argueing with this lady about how long Jaws has been around. In the end I simply decided to completely uninstall Jaws, I removed shared components since I don't have Openbook or anything like that installed, also removed all user settings after first exporting a backup copy. Then I reinstalled Jaws and before I imported my settings again I tried Sage 50 and another of my retail applications which wouldn't read and all was working as before. I then imported my settings and everything was still working fine. I have no idea what had gone wrong before, but it seems to be fixed.
When I tried to move the Jaws cursor down to the bottom of the screen before and it didn't seem to go there I used the Alt+NumPad Delete command to see where my Jaws cursor was located and it said vertically it was at "14" and it was stuck there. I made sure it was set to "unrestricted" but nothing I did made a difference. Oh well, in the end that only took about 15 or 20 minutes at the most so not too bad.
I just love it when sometimes these tech support people think everybody they talk to is a moron who has no clue and they try to convince you that this can't, in this case, possibly be a problem of Jaws, it must be because the application was updated and has changed or whatever. I told her I was running the 2014 version of Sage 50 because it works well and there have been no updates to it in almost 4 years, I have not changed anything on this PC except installing the Jaws 18.0.2740 update which she of course said couldn't possibly be the problem.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Oh, Brian, thank you for these words! I once called Freedom Scientific Tech support and got one visually equipped person who could immediately help me because he could see what was going on. I later had a problem with the WordFinder program (a translation dictionary tool) for which JAWS wasn't working too efficiently. I called Freedom Scientific and got a tech support assistant who, from what I could tell, was not visually equipped. I explained that, perhaps, a sighted person would be more able to see what JAWS should be showing and wasn't, and provide helpful feedback as to what I could do to have it work better. The woman got very huffy, obviously deeply insulted. I told her there was a reason for my asking for a sighted assistant, implying no slur to blind tech support people, but to a situation where sight might be helpful, and there was no need to get huffy. Obviously, she was not impressed...



Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

It is the great lie to believe that sight may not be important or critical in solving certain problems quickly and efficiently.

I have been, and probably will be, castigated for stating that but it's true.

Stating the above says nothing, positive or negative, about the competence of someone who's blind or visually impaired. What it does say is that you sometimes face the choice of taking forever to get through something that someone who sees literally sees in real time. When dealing with a primarily visual medium it only makes sense to take that into account when you're in a bind that you need to get out of as promptly as possible.

There is no shame, and no weakness, implied in asking for the most effective assistance one can get in any given situation where one needs it. If one has the luxury of time, and wants to learn something for the sake of learning it, then go methodically plowing through it (and this applies regardless of whether you have vision or not). But if I'm in a work situation and I need something resolved that sight would most likely make faster, it is absolutely not the job of technical support to treat the request as though it were a personal aspersion and they should, in fact, know this themselves if they've been at the job for more than a brief period of time.
--
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Re: standard user and jaws

David Moore
 

Yes, LOL!

That is right!

David Moore

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From: James Homuth
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: standard user and jaws

 

That's not a JAWS thing. That's a permissions thing. JAWS settings, per user, are stored in .ini, .jcf and etc files under the %appdata% folder, as they've always been. Any setting you change that differs from the default, all users setting, gets written to your own personalized copy of those files. Therefore, if you don't have permission to write to your own %appdata% folder, or the JAWS folder inside that one, then those settings won't save. At that point, you get to explain to your employer why that is an absolutely braindead permissions policy and could they please pick up a fresh clue.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: May-17-17 7:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: standard user and jaws

Hi,

When I used JAWS at work, I could not even make a hot key for it without the administrator doing it. I did not realize that Window-Eyes let a standard user make these changes. I am so sorry, but you can not make hardly any changes to JAWS as a standard user, you can change the rate or volume and such, but that is about it. You cannot get into quick settings and make many changes in there at all.

That is not right. I had to use JAWS at work at practically factory settings LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: standard user and jaws

 

why is it that no jaws settings can be changed when running as a standard user?

i can do this with window eyes.

this is a serious problem for me.

i do not log on as a administrator to block most viruses from installing

themselves

i tried changeing the jaws icon to run as administrator but with this both jaws

and the ease of access center runs at the same time.

even so i muted all of the function keys and they show there indeed in mute

mode but the still speak.

i can make these changes logged in as administrator and the work fine. but not

as a standard user.

 

 

There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.

You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Gudrun Brunot
 

Oh, Brian, thank you for these words! I once called Freedom Scientific Tech support and got one visually equipped person who could immediately help me because he could see what was going on. I later had a problem with the WordFinder program (a translation dictionary tool) for which JAWS wasn't working too efficiently. I called Freedom Scientific and got a tech support assistant who, from what I could tell, was not visually equipped. I explained that, perhaps, a sighted person would be more able to see what JAWS should be showing and wasn't, and provide helpful feedback as to what I could do to have it work better. The woman got very huffy, obviously deeply insulted. I told her there was a reason for my asking for a sighted assistant, implying no slur to blind tech support people, but to a situation where sight might be helpful, and there was no need to get huffy. Obviously, she was not impressed...



Gudrun

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It is the great lie to believe that sight may not be important or critical in solving certain problems quickly and efficiently.

I have been, and probably will be, castigated for stating that but it's true.

Stating the above says nothing, positive or negative, about the competence of someone who's blind or visually impaired. What it does say is that you sometimes face the choice of taking forever to get through something that someone who sees literally sees in real time. When dealing with a primarily visual medium it only makes sense to take that into account when you're in a bind that you need to get out of as promptly as possible.

There is no shame, and no weakness, implied in asking for the most effective assistance one can get in any given situation where one needs it. If one has the luxury of time, and wants to learn something for the sake of learning it, then go methodically plowing through it (and this applies regardless of whether you have vision or not). But if I'm in a work situation and I need something resolved that sight would most likely make faster, it is absolutely not the job of technical support to treat the request as though it were a personal aspersion and they should, in fact, know this themselves if they've been at the job for more than a brief period of time.
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Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Shannon
 

Here here to that. It happens to me every day. Hey, what's going on over here could you come look is a frequent question out of my mouth.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

It is the great lie to believe that sight may not be important or critical in solving certain problems quickly and efficiently.

I have been, and probably will be, castigated for stating that but it's true.

Stating the above says nothing, positive or negative, about the competence of someone who's blind or visually impaired.  What it does say is that you sometimes face the choice of taking forever to get through something that someone who sees literally sees in real time.  When dealing with a primarily visual medium it only makes sense to take that into account when you're in a bind that you need to get out of as promptly as possible.

There is no shame, and no weakness, implied in asking for the most effective assistance one can get in any given situation where one needs it.  If one has the luxury of time, and wants to learn something for the sake of learning it, then go methodically plowing through it (and this applies regardless of whether you have vision or not).  But if I'm in a work situation and I need something resolved that sight would most likely make faster, it is absolutely not the job of technical support to treat the request as though it were a personal aspersion and they should, in fact, know this themselves if they've been at the job for more than a brief period of time.
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Re: saying graphic as i arrow up and down a file list

Tyler Spivey
 

I'll explain what this is and how to fix it.

This is JAWS trying to give a label to unknown graphics automatically. If it doesn't know what to call something, it will use the word graphic followed by a number.
This can be disabled. Personally when I use JAWS, I prefer to do this for all applications.

These are not web graphics.

We can try changing the default graphic verbosity for JAWS.
The easiest (though not the only) way to do this is through the Startup Wizard.

1. Activate the JAWS window with Insert+j.
2. From the Help menu, select Startup Wizard.
3. Press enter until you hear Verbosity Settings.
4. Tab until you hear Graphic Verbosity, and set it to labeled graphics.
5. Press enter until the Startup Wizard disappears.

That should solve it, unless overridden by an application specific setting (which may have been changed in Settings Center or with JAWS key+v).

On 5/17/2017 1:35 AM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
Curious if anyone has seen this, not sure what it is. In 1 of my
programs, i am going to open a file. Si i go to file open, and find
the location. As i'm arrowing up and down my file list, before every
file, it says sever graphics, something like graphic 244, graphic 212,
as an example. It's really annoying, any ideas what it could be?

Thanks,
Jed


Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

My husband says essentially what you do, Brian. He couldn't believe a lot of stuff could happen at first - blew his mind to talk to Richard Oehm.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 04:27 pm, Randy Barnett wrote:


I do most anything I need too but you are right there is no doubt that sight helps and is critical in some situations.

Thank you very much for reflecting back what I had tried to communicate. It makes me confident that I hit my target.

This is definitely not about encouraging dependence or questioning an individual's abilities. It's really is a tool to situation feature matching exercise when time is of the essence.

As an aside, it's been interesting to me over time as I've read folks who are blind and who are computer programmers. Having been one I would never, ever have thought that this would be possible while retaining one's sanity at the same time. I was wrong, and it's fascinating to see both the similarities and differences in how the whole task is approached depending on an individual's sensory palette.
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Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Right, Brian - it is just a matter of reality. She needs to learn to live with it, live, laugh - it's a big world.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

It is the great lie to believe that sight may not be important or critical in solving certain problems quickly and efficiently.

I have been, and probably will be, castigated for stating that but it's true.

Stating the above says nothing, positive or negative, about the competence of someone who's blind or visually impaired. What it does say is that you sometimes face the choice of taking forever to get through something that someone who sees literally sees in real time. When dealing with a primarily visual medium it only makes sense to take that into account when you're in a bind that you need to get out of as promptly as possible.

There is no shame, and no weakness, implied in asking for the most effective assistance one can get in any given situation where one needs it. If one has the luxury of time, and wants to learn something for the sake of learning it, then go methodically plowing through it (and this applies regardless of whether you have vision or not). But if I'm in a work situation and I need something resolved that sight would most likely make faster, it is absolutely not the job of technical support to treat the request as though it were a personal aspersion and they should, in fact, know this themselves if they've been at the job for more than a brief period of time.
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Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: major warning about c cleaner and windows 10

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 02:19 pm, Alan Robbins wrote:
For me and MS accessibility it is the registery cleaner that was of concern

The long and the short of it is that registry cleaners are the spawn of Satan and snake oil.  One need only look at reputable computer support related forums and the technical press to see this repeated again and again.

I am actually kind of surprised that CCleaner has not dropped the registry cleaner feature, even though it was one of their initial claims to fame when registry cleaning was thought to be helpful (though it may not have been even then).  I still absolutely love this tool in all other respects.
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        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Brian,
 
I've been totally blind for 36 years out of the 59 years on this planet, & no truer words have ever been spoken! Everything you said is 100% accurate, & noone should take issue with what you stated.
5Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

It is the great lie to believe that sight may not be important or critical in solving certain problems quickly and efficiently.

I have been, and probably will be, castigated for stating that but it's true.

Stating the above says nothing, positive or negative, about the competence of someone who's blind or visually impaired.  What it does say is that you sometimes face the choice of taking forever to get through something that someone who sees literally sees in real time.  When dealing with a primarily visual medium it only makes sense to take that into account when you're in a bind that you need to get out of as promptly as possible.

There is no shame, and no weakness, implied in asking for the most effective assistance one can get in any given situation where one needs it.  If one has the luxury of time, and wants to learn something for the sake of learning it, then go methodically plowing through it (and this applies regardless of whether you have vision or not).  But if I'm in a work situation and I need something resolved that sight would most likely make faster, it is absolutely not the job of technical support to treat the request as though it were a personal aspersion and they should, in fact, know this themselves if they've been at the job for more than a brief period of time.
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Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.