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Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I use JAWS for two accounts in Spread Sheets, and have no
problem. I just know not to press Enter, that's the main
thing, and that, of course, is not a JAWS thing. JAWS won't
do Say All, which is Insert-Page Down or 3 on the Num Lock,
but at the beginning of a row, it will read that row of
columns by pressing JAWS Key and the 8 or Up Arrow on the
Num Lock pad.

If I am in column D, which on mine is deposit ammounts, I
can just Down Aorrow, and it will read me any deposits in
the column. Hope that gives you an idea. I'm sure it's like
dancing on ice right now.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many
conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned
about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to
go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few
things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel
all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that
true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also
use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle
the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the
MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different
email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or
buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as
WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom
scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I
can't tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of
cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and
something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can
I read the screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to
configure it I can't tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program,
and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do
not behave well and most likely are going to require special
custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if
Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing
the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon


Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Joseph,

          Thanks.  My latest referral will be using JAWS 18 so I'll have to brush up on this feature, particularly since I believe she's got a touch screen laptop.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

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Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Hi,

Already does as part of JAWS 18 via mouse echo.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, does anyone know if JAWS has the equivalent of NVDA's mouse tracking feature in the pipeline?  I don't think that Window-Eyes had this, either, but I've used that screen reader very little.

I find the mouse tracking feature particularly invaluable for those using touch screen laptops.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, does anyone know if JAWS has the equivalent of NVDA's mouse tracking feature in the pipeline?  I don't think that Window-Eyes had this, either, but I've used that screen reader very little.

I find the mouse tracking feature particularly invaluable for those using touch screen laptops.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Hi Joseph and all.

David Moore
 

Hi,

If you have JAWS version 15 or above, you have the touch cursor. That cursor can get you to many more controls on a page or in a program than the invisible cursor can. The invisible cursor only works as well as the JAWS cursor, and for me, the JAWS cursor does not work at all on many web pages or in many programs. The touch cursor is like using your finger on a touch screen to navigate. You do not even need a touch screen on your device for this to work. Just press shift+numpad plus to turn it on and press the numpad plus twice to go back to the PC cursor. On a laptop, press shift+caps lock+semicolon to turn it on, and press caps lock+semicolon twice to turn it off. You go back to the PC cursor when turned off. This touch cursor in JAWS, allows you to navigate apps, just like you would with your finger. When on, just press your arrow keys. Right arrow is like swiping right for example. This is how you can use your keyboard with JAWS to navigate many environments, not just apps. I want you all to know that if you are switching to JAWS.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Hi,

Old days as in early 2010’s (shows what happens if I don’t keep up with certain details of screen readers from time to time…). Perhaps I didn’t think of that as I was too used to touch cursor, UWP and what not these days…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Old days? Far as I know it still exists. LOL

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: May-17-17 5:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

Hi,

Ah yes, forgot about that from the old days…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hi Joseph and all.

 

 

There’s a sixth cursor for JAWS, and that’s the invisible cursor.  It’s used to read info on the screen without having to move other cursors.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY

 


Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Hi,

Old days as in early 2010’s (shows what happens if I don’t keep up with certain details of screen readers from time to time…). Perhaps I didn’t think of that as I was too used to touch cursor, UWP and what not these days…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Old days? Far as I know it still exists. LOL


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: May-17-17 5:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

Hi,

Ah yes, forgot about that from the old days…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hi Joseph and all.

 

 

There’s a sixth cursor for JAWS, and that’s the invisible cursor.  It’s used to read info on the screen without having to move other cursors.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Re: Hi Joseph and all.

James Homuth
 

Old days? Far as I know it still exists. LOL


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: May-17-17 5:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

Hi,

Ah yes, forgot about that from the old days…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hi Joseph and all.

 

 

There’s a sixth cursor for JAWS, and that’s the invisible cursor.  It’s used to read info on the screen without having to move other cursors.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Thanks for this clarification, Joseph.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi,
There are two touch cursor navigation modes: basic and advanced. The basic
mode will let you navigate controls within an app (left and right arrows),
while advanced mode will let you navigate through object hierarchy/GUI
element tree structure.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

No, This isn't the reason it isn't finding the controls. Rotor is only used
in Gesture mode. This is, I believe only applicable when using an actual
touch screen.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon" <shannon@bartchroofing.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns


Bill,
This is kind of cool. It could find some of the controls I know are
there but can't reach. It doesn't find all of them though.
I just popped into jaws 40 min mode to give this a brief test run. The
arrow keys and the number pad tab and shift tab move this guy around
but I heard the numpad say something about rotering through different
kinds of controls.
I didn't know what that meant. Is that why it can't find the other
things I know are there? They are different from the ones it did find?
Mostly it found buttons and headers.
Thanks for the info.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mario
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Bill, so when using the touch cursor, there's no need to use the arrow
keys, right? I'm asking because I really don't know how to use it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:41 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi, Shannon. To activate the Touch Cursor:

1. Open the program you want to navigate.

2.

Press SHIFT plus the plus sign on the Number Pad, or if using laptop
layout,

SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON



Once the Touch Cursor is active, use TAB and SHIFT plus TAB to
navigate between the various controls. When you find a control you
want to activate, press SPACE BAR.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Oh, this could be the thing I am looking for. These three programs
that are really giving me trouble are just like that! They have
buttons and pull downs and menues that are not tab, shift, tab Ctrl
Tab or arrow key reachable.

To get to them the mouse find command was hit or miss and mostly missed.

Any quicky pointers on this nifty little thing? I always wondered what
perspective was being read when I used the number pad with JAWS? It
never seamed to be doing what I thought it should. We uses the numpad
for the mouse. So If this little thing is like a mouse only not a
mouse, how do you control it? Can you click when you find it?

Thanks

Shannon



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the
default and used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and
arrow keys. the second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer
with the arrow keys.
this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor
was Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first
two cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started
using the touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it
sounds once you have used them for a wile.
On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser
Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy. What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can
not worry about it. I don't have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can't tell you or most
likely, I don't have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal
with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the
same
time.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the
latest release which is Creators Update), but that's not always going
to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later
JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to
use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are
also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality
such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has
received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid
to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version
coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10
is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But
to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I
don't like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if
it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the
programs mentioned. Don't really know which is the culprit.



Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing
most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my
preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010. It can surf the web fine.






From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions
from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what
it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through,
and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things
mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true?
That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a
daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email
profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be
clicked by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that
feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time
keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't
tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A
virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse
overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read
the screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I
can't tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the
three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well
and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even
do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon





















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Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Hi,

Ah yes, forgot about that from the old days…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hi Joseph and all.

 

 

There’s a sixth cursor for JAWS, and that’s the invisible cursor.  It’s used to read info on the screen without having to move other cursors.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Hi Joseph and all.

Kevin Minor
 

 

There’s a sixth cursor for JAWS, and that’s the invisible cursor.  It’s used to read info on the screen without having to move other cursors.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Re: forwarding a thunderbird question for another Window Eyes userreading mail as non threaded

Melissa Stott <mstott69@...>
 

                The last small update for Jaws is not in the updates.  You will have to go to the website to download it.

 

Melissa

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: forwarding a thunderbird question for another Window Eyes userreading mail as non threaded

 

Just downloading the installer from VFO wont do it. You have to check

for updates within Jaws. Bring up jaws then go to help then click check

for updates. I had this happen just last week, I had to do a reinstall

of windows and after reinstalling jaws the TB issue returned until I ran

the update utility after it updated Jaws the problem was fixed...

On 5/16/2017 10:09 PM, Brenda wrote:

> Hi List,

> I do have the latest version of Jaws, I just checked, and if I don't

> use the threaded view jaws does not reat the message list.

> Using windows 7/64 with latest Jaws and TB.

> Is there another setting I'm missing?

> Thanks for any help.

> Brenda

> On 5/16/2017 11:24 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

>> This is a bug in the new version of TB. you have to have the latest

>> version of jaws to fix it. Or run an older version of TB and turn off

>> updates.

>> On 5/16/2017 6:32 PM, Dennis L wrote:

>>> 

>>> Hello List,

>>> 

>>> I'm trying to transition to Jaws starting with emailing which I am

>>> getting a lot of experience on lately.

>>> 

>>> I find with Jaws I have to view messages as threaded which I don't

>>> 

>>> like.  Is there a way to read messages as unthreaded.  Jaws doesn't

>>> seem

>>> 

>>> to read the titles unless threaded. Hoping there is a setting to be

>>> 

>>> changed.

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,
There are two touch cursor navigation modes: basic and advanced. The basic
mode will let you navigate controls within an app (left and right arrows),
while advanced mode will let you navigate through object hierarchy/GUI
element tree structure.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

No, This isn't the reason it isn't finding the controls. Rotor is only used
in Gesture mode. This is, I believe only applicable when using an actual
touch screen.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon" <shannon@bartchroofing.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns


Bill,
This is kind of cool. It could find some of the controls I know are
there but can't reach. It doesn't find all of them though.
I just popped into jaws 40 min mode to give this a brief test run. The
arrow keys and the number pad tab and shift tab move this guy around
but I heard the numpad say something about rotering through different
kinds of controls.
I didn't know what that meant. Is that why it can't find the other
things I know are there? They are different from the ones it did find?
Mostly it found buttons and headers.
Thanks for the info.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mario
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Bill, so when using the touch cursor, there's no need to use the arrow
keys, right? I'm asking because I really don't know how to use it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:41 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi, Shannon. To activate the Touch Cursor:

1. Open the program you want to navigate.

2.

Press SHIFT plus the plus sign on the Number Pad, or if using laptop
layout,

SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON



Once the Touch Cursor is active, use TAB and SHIFT plus TAB to
navigate between the various controls. When you find a control you
want to activate, press SPACE BAR.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Oh, this could be the thing I am looking for. These three programs
that are really giving me trouble are just like that! They have
buttons and pull downs and menues that are not tab, shift, tab Ctrl
Tab or arrow key reachable.

To get to them the mouse find command was hit or miss and mostly missed.

Any quicky pointers on this nifty little thing? I always wondered what
perspective was being read when I used the number pad with JAWS? It
never seamed to be doing what I thought it should. We uses the numpad
for the mouse. So If this little thing is like a mouse only not a
mouse, how do you control it? Can you click when you find it?

Thanks

Shannon



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the
default and used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and
arrow keys. the second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer
with the arrow keys.
this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor
was Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first
two cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started
using the touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it
sounds once you have used them for a wile.
On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser
Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy. What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can
not worry about it. I don't have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can't tell you or most
likely, I don't have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal
with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same
time.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the
latest release which is Creators Update), but that's not always going
to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later
JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to
use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are
also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality
such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has
received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid
to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version
coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10
is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But
to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I
don't like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if
it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the
programs mentioned. Don't really know which is the culprit.



Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing
most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my
preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010. It can surf the web fine.






From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions
from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what
it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through,
and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things
mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true?
That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a
daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email
profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be
clicked by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that
feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time
keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't
tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A
virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse
overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read
the screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I
can't tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the
three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well
and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even
do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon





















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Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

No, This isn't the reason it isn't finding the controls. Rotor is only used in Gesture mode. This is, I believe only applicable when using an actual touch screen.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns


Bill,
This is kind of cool. It could find some of the controls I know are there
but can't reach. It doesn't find all of them though.
I just popped into jaws 40 min mode to give this a brief test run. The arrow
keys and the number pad tab and shift tab move this guy around but I heard
the numpad say something about rotering through different kinds of controls.
I didn't know what that meant. Is that why it can't find the other things I
know are there? They are different from the ones it did find? Mostly it
found buttons and headers.
Thanks for the info.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Bill, so when using the touch cursor, there's no need to use the arrow
keys, right? I'm asking because I really don't know how to use it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:41 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi, Shannon. To activate the Touch Cursor:

1. Open the program you want to navigate.

2.

Press SHIFT plus the plus sign on the Number Pad, or if using laptop layout,

SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON



Once the Touch Cursor is active, use TAB and SHIFT plus TAB to navigate
between the various controls. When you find a control you want to activate,
press SPACE BAR.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Oh, this could be the thing I am looking for. These three programs that are
really giving me trouble are just like that! They have buttons and pull
downs and menues that are not tab, shift, tab Ctrl Tab or arrow key
reachable.

To get to them the mouse find command was hit or miss and mostly missed.

Any quicky pointers on this nifty little thing? I always wondered what
perspective was being read when I used the number pad with JAWS? It never
seamed to be doing what I thought it should. We uses the numpad for the
mouse. So If this little thing is like a mouse only not a mouse, how do you
control it? Can you click when you find it?

Thanks

Shannon



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the default and
used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and arrow keys. the
second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer with the arrow keys.
this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor was
Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first two
cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started using the
touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it sounds once you
have used them for a wile.
On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser Mouse
over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy. What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can not
worry about it. I don't have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can't tell you or most likely, I
don't have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal with the sounds
from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same time.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the latest
release which is Creators Update), but that's not always going to be so in
the future. There are certain features introduced in later JAWS releases
that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to use, the most
important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are also features that
takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality such as audio ducking
(JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get
Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version
coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is
better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair
it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don't
like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was
Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs
mentioned. Don't really know which is the culprit.



Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most
tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference
and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010. It can surf the web fine.






From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from
WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it
can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and
that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things
mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That
would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily
basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles
set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked
by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that feature
everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping
software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't tell, but
it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a
JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the
screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I can't
tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three
programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most
likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do
the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon




















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Re: MS Word 2010

 

Mario,

         Far be it from me to divine how and when (or whether) Microsoft updates these life cycle pages.  Clicking on a number of the "here" links for migration guidance takes you straight to the promo and purchase pages for Office 365 [which I personally have no desire to have].

         Given the way that dates are presented on the page I gave the link to I am not certain of how, precisely, one might interpret that disclaimer.
--
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Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Carol Smith
 

Hi Bill,

Thank you. I now have it in hand and am ready to restart my PC. Hopefully, I can get a little further along than I have been doing, grin.

Carol

On 5/17/2017 3:35 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Carol. You should be able to call Freedom Scientific and get your activation right away. Call them at:
727-803-8600

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Can anyone tell me how long I might have to wait for my access key? I am not doing very well with the 40-minute demo. It seems I just get started on something and I am nearly out of time. I did register yesterday. Thanks.

Carol











Re: JAWS and Wi-Fi___33-Enabled Amplifier

 

I totally agree with Randy, if you already have in-ceiling or in-wall speakers the Sonos Connect Amp is exactly what you want. The only situation where it might not be the best choice is if somebody has a lot of external sources like a CD Player, tape deck, turn table etc. I know most tape decks have long since been disconnected and turn tables are probably more rare than they are common, but some still use them. If all you have is a CD player then the Connect Amp does have 1 set of analogue RCA inputs.

 

I recently wrote a lengthy post about Sonos and I think it was on this list, you can probably find it in the archive. The Connect Amp connects to your WiFi, it has a 110 watts Class D amplifier and it can play music from just about every imagineable paid music subscription as well as from Tune In and iHeart Radio. Support for paid subscriptions includes Apple Music, Spotify, Deezer, Google Play Music, Sirius XM, Slacker, Tidal, Pandora and much more.

The Connect Amp itself has only a play/pause button and a volume rocker, it has the RCA input and a set of speaker outputs. There is also a set of ethernet ports so if you wanted you could wire it to your router, the second ethernet port is just an output so you wouldn't loose a router port. There is also a port if you have a powered subwover to plug that in.

Apart from all the internet music you can play your own digital music if you have it on your computer, ideal is saving it on a network attached hard drive as Sonos can access it and you can always play your music whether your computer is on or not.

You control the Sonos system via an iPhone or Android app and there is also a Windows app which works pretty well with Jaws. The iOS app is super accessible, I don't have an Android phone so can't speak for that.

The nice thing about Sonos is that you can continue to add players over time, if you later want to put one of their portable speakers elsewhere, you can buy either a Play 1, Play 3 or Play 5 and do this, any of these can also be set up as a stereo pair and if you have one of them in the kitchen but plan a barbecue outside you can just unplug it, plug it in outside and as long as it is in range of your WiFi you have music outside.

. There is also a a wireless Sonos Sub available which is $700 but amazing for that price. Lastly, you can set upa 5.1 system in your living room with a Sonos Playbar (a soundbar for underneath your TV), a Sonos Sub and a set of Play 1 or Play 3 speakers which in this setup become the rear speakers.

If you have multiple Sonos speakers/players you can set them up individually or in groups of 2 or more. You can of course play different things on all of them or group all of them together and play the same music everywhere in the house.

There are even apps for iOS and probably Android which allow you to use your iPhone and Sonos sytem as a PA system, you just open the app, select the speaker or group of speakers you ant and then tap talk and speak into your phone. What you say will be broadcast through your Sonos system with maybe a half second delay.

You can read more at www.Sonos.com, if you order directly you get free shippng, excellent customer service and a generous 45-day return period. Use it for up to 6 weeks and if you don't like it call them up and they'll give you an RA number and I think they even pay for the shipping back, but I'm not sure if they still do. I think if you look for reviews you'll find few bad ones.

One last thing, Sonos is not Airplay capable by itself. If you want to Airplay from an iPhone or iPad to Sonos you have to buy an Airport Express and hook it up to one of the Sonos components which has an input like the Sonos Connect Amp, Connect or Play 5. The Play 1 and Play 3 have no inputs and none of the Sonos components have a 3.5mm headphone jack.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Wi-Fi___33-Enabled Amplifier

 

Its pricey but the Sonos amp is what you are looking for it can play music from the internet or your PC or phone  has a analog input The PC and phone software is totally accessible. I have The play One, Play 3, Connect and connect amp and they all sound really good and like I said are totally compatible with Jaws and VO and I would think other screen readers as well.
On 5/17/2017 12:25 AM, Marquette, Ed wrote:

All:

I’ll ask my question first and then explain.

Is there such a thing as a WI-FI-enabled Amplifier that acts, for instance, like a Wi-Fi-enabled printer and that has a software-based control panel accessible using JAWS?

 

Now, for the reason for that question.  Several years back, we had an expensive set of wired speakers installed, during a remodeling job, in the ceiling and walls of a very large room in our home.  Apart from the uneasy relationship between JAWS and iTunes and Bluetooth connectivity challenges, I can sometimes play music on my laptop through the above-described amplification system.

The challenge is that Bluetooth is inherently flakey, and the amplifier is 100% inaccessible.  I have to guess to determine whether it is in Bluetooth reception mode.  Plus, it drops the pairing frequently, and pairing is a nightmare.  In addition, for Bluetooth even to work, one must keep the laptop and the amplifier in relatively close proximity to each other.

A Wi-Fi -enabled amplifier would simply appear on the network, like a printer.  An accessible control panel on the laptop would allow the amplifier to be controlled over the Wi-Fi network just the way one controls various functions of a Wi-Fi-enabled printer.

I’ve tried searching the Internet for “accessible amplifiers” and the like, but I’ve come up empty.

That such a device should exist seems obvious, but …

Of course, even if it does, there is a good chance that the control panel would be inaccessible. 

 

I. Edward Marquette

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Mobile:  816.812.0088

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Re: For anyone looking for a password manager!

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,

 

The password manager sounds like a good and accessible product, but what an awful demonstration in the video.

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

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Subject: For anyone looking for a password manager!

 

This is a Jaws tutorial for a good password maneger!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqS9MVEN4QY

 

 

 

 

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Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Shannon
 

Bill,

Awsome!! Going to take this cheet sheet for a test run.

Thank you so much!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi again, Shannon. Here is more about using the Touch Cursor from the JAWS help topics.

Using the Touch Cursor

Certain applications, especially many of the universal apps found in Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, do not always work as expected with JAWS when navigating with the standard cursors such as the PC and Virtual PC cursors. Activating the Touch Cursor enables you to use the ARROW keys on your computer's keyboard, or the controls on your braille display, to navigate through the elements in an application similar to using gestures on the touch screen of a tablet. Elements include everything from menu bars, toolbars, and progress bars, to form controls, regions, links, etc. Press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS, or SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON if using the laptop keyboard layout, to activate the Touch Cursor. To turn it off, activate one of the other cursors, like the JAWS or PC Cursor. Pressing the PC Cursor command (NUM PAD PLUS) will cause JAWS to say "Touch Cursor" and the Touch Cursor will remain active. If Tutor Messages are enabled, JAWS will also speak the message "Double tap to activate PC cursor". Press the PC Cursor command twice quickly to turn off the Touch Cursor and activate the PC Cursor.

 

The Touch Cursor is enabled by default in certain Windows applications to improve navigation. These apps include News, Weather, and Store. Whenever you move focus to one of these apps, the Touch Cursor is automatically activated. To automatically enable the Touch Cursor in another application, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings while focused in the application where you want to use the Touch Cursor, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, and then select Automatic Activation. You must do this for every application where you want to have JAWS automatically turn on the Touch Cursor.

 

Navigating With the Touch Cursor

To move to the next or previous element on the screen, press RIGHT or LEFT ARROW. You can also use TAB or SHIFT+TAB.

 

To move by a specific element type, press UP or DOWN ARROW. By default, the UP and DOWN ARROWS will move by regions. To change what element type these commands move by, press PAGE UP or PAGE DOWN to cycle through the available types using the navigation rotor.

 

For example, if you want the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to move by headings, press PAGE UP or PAGE DOWN until you hear "headings. Now, pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move to the next or previous heading.

 

Press CTRL+HOME to move to the first element and press CTRL+END to move to the last element. To announce the current element, press INSERT+UP ARROW. To perform a Say All, which will cause the Touch Cursor to move through the application and speak each element, press INSERT+DOWN ARROW.

 

As you navigate using the ARROW keys, the system focus does not follow the Touch Cursor. This allows you to freely navigate through elements without changing the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer. Pressing SPACEBAR or ENTER on the current element will move focus to that element and perform the appropriate action. For instance, opening a menu, selecting a check box, or activating a button or link. In addition, a rectangle will be displayed around the currently selected element to visually indicate the location of the Touch cursor for sighted users.

 

To quickly move the Touch Cursor to the element that currently has focus, press INSERT+NUM PAD PLUS, or CAPS LOCK+APOSTROPHE if using the laptop keyboard layout. JAWS will route the Touch Cursor to the currently selected element and announce it. The Touch Cursor will remain active after performing this command.

 

To determine what element types will be announced as you navigate with the Touch Cursor, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, then move to Configure Types. This group lists all available types that can be navigated to using the Touch Cursor. Use the SPACEBAR to select or clear a type. Types that are selected are announced while types that are not selected are ignored.

 

Note: The Configure Types option only appears in Quick Settings if the Touch Cursor is currently active when Quick Settings is opened.

 

Touch Cursor Navigation Quick Keys

While the Touch Cursor is active, you can use Navigation Quick Keys to quickly jump to various types of elements, such as regions, headings, links, form controls, and so on. These commands are similar to the Navigation Quick Keys that are used when navigating HTML and PDF documents with the Virtual PC Cursor.

 

By default, Touch Navigation Quick Keys are not enabled when the Touch Cursor is activated. This allows you to fully use applications that support typing in the main window. For example, the News app lets you type so you can quickly locate specific stories.

 

If you would like Touch Navigation Quick keys to be enabled automatically when the Touch Cursor is activated in a specific application, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings while focused in the application, navigate to the Touch Cursor Options group, and select Touch Quick Keys. You can also press INSERT+Z while the Touch Cursor is active to temporarily toggle Touch Navigation Quick Keys on or off.

 

The following Navigation Quick Keys are available:

 

Note: You can add the SHIFT Key to any of these commands to move to the previous occurrence of that element.

 

A - Next radio button

B - Next button

C - Next combo box

D - Next document

E - Next edit field

F - Next form field

G - Next image

H - Next heading

I - Next list item

K - Next link

L - Next list

M - Next menu

O - Next tool bar

P - Next pane

Q - Next tab

R - Next region

S - Next occurrence of static text

T - Next table

U - Next group

V - Next tree view

X - Next check box

Z - Next status bar

Text Review

Text Review allows you to read the text contained inside an element using standard reading commands. If the element at the current Touch Cursor position has text, such as a news article, pressing NUM PAD SLASH or INSERT+ENTER will activate Text Review. You can then use the ARROW keys to read the text as if you were reading a regular document. Pressing the ESC key will exit Text Review and return to Touch Cursor navigation.

 

For example, in the News app, where the Touch Cursor is enabled by default, you could press UP or DOWN ARROW to move to the Top Stories region and then press RIGHT ARROW to move to a particular story. When you find the article you want to read, you can press INSERT+ENTER or NUM PAD SLASH to switch to Text Review so you can use the ARROW keys or the braille display to read the article. Once you are finished, press ESC to close Text Review and then use RIGHT or LEFT ARROW to select another article from the current region, or UP or DOWN ARROW to move to a different region.

 

By default, JAWS will play a sound when you enter or exit Text Review mode. If you would rather have JAWS speak a message, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, and clear the Use Sounds option.

 

Advanced Navigation

For advanced users, specifically those who may be involved with developing applications, Advanced Navigation provides more detail about all elements in the UIA (User Interface Automation) structure.

 

With the standard Touch Cursor, you can only navigate to elements that are visible on the screen in the current application. In Advanced Navigation, the Touch Cursor traverses all UIA elements in a hierarchical manner. All elements, whether visible or not, can be traversed in Advanced Navigation.

 

To enable Advanced Navigation, press NUM PAD STAR, or CAPS LOCK+A if using the laptop keyboard layout, while the Touch Cursor is active. Once active, use the LEFT or RIGHT ARROW keys to move to the previous or next sibling element and the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to move to the parrent element or the first child element. To view more Advanced Navigation commands, press INSERT+H while this mode is active. Press NUM PAD STAR once more to turn off Advanced Navigation and return to the standard Touch Cursor.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Oh, this could be the thing I am looking for. These three programs that are really giving me trouble are just like that! They have buttons and pull downs and menues that are not tab, shift, tab Ctrl Tab or arrow key reachable.

To get to them the mouse find command was hit or miss and mostly missed.

Any quicky pointers on this nifty little thing? I always wondered what perspective was being read when I used the number pad with JAWS? It never seamed to be doing what I thought it should. We uses the numpad for the mouse. So If this little thing is like a mouse only not a mouse, how do you control it? Can you click when you find it?

Thanks

Shannon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the default and used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and arrow keys. the second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer with the arrow keys. this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor was Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first two cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started using the touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it sounds once you have used them for a wile.
On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy… What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can not worry about it. I don’t have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can’t tell you or most likely, I don’t have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the latest release which is Creators Update), but that’s not always going to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn’t. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 

 

 


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Shannon
 

Bill,
This is kind of cool. It could find some of the controls I know are there
but can't reach. It doesn't find all of them though.
I just popped into jaws 40 min mode to give this a brief test run. The arrow
keys and the number pad tab and shift tab move this guy around but I heard
the numpad say something about rotering through different kinds of controls.
I didn't know what that meant. Is that why it can't find the other things I
know are there? They are different from the ones it did find? Mostly it
found buttons and headers.
Thanks for the info.
Shannon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Bill, so when using the touch cursor, there's no need to use the arrow
keys, right? I'm asking because I really don't know how to use it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:41 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi, Shannon. To activate the Touch Cursor:

1. Open the program you want to navigate.

2.

Press SHIFT plus the plus sign on the Number Pad, or if using laptop layout,

SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON



Once the Touch Cursor is active, use TAB and SHIFT plus TAB to navigate
between the various controls. When you find a control you want to activate,
press SPACE BAR.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Oh, this could be the thing I am looking for. These three programs that are
really giving me trouble are just like that! They have buttons and pull
downs and menues that are not tab, shift, tab Ctrl Tab or arrow key
reachable.

To get to them the mouse find command was hit or miss and mostly missed.

Any quicky pointers on this nifty little thing? I always wondered what
perspective was being read when I used the number pad with JAWS? It never
seamed to be doing what I thought it should. We uses the numpad for the
mouse. So If this little thing is like a mouse only not a mouse, how do you
control it? Can you click when you find it?

Thanks

Shannon



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the default and
used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and arrow keys. the
second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer with the arrow keys.
this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor was
Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first two
cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started using the
touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it sounds once you
have used them for a wile.
On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser Mouse
over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy. What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can not
worry about it. I don't have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can't tell you or most likely, I
don't have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal with the sounds
from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same time.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the latest
release which is Creators Update), but that's not always going to be so in
the future. There are certain features introduced in later JAWS releases
that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to use, the most
important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are also features that
takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality such as audio ducking
(JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get
Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version
coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is
better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair
it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don't
like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was
Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs
mentioned. Don't really know which is the culprit.



Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most
tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference
and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010. It can surf the web fine.






From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from
WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it
can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and
that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things
mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That
would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily
basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles
set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked
by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that feature
everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping
software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't tell, but
it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a
JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the
screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I can't
tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three
programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most
likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do
the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon


Re: major warning about c cleaner and windows 10

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Ok then take my suggestion for whatever it's worth I haven't had issues with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: major warning about c cleaner and windows 10

Oh yes it could! We have a database here in the state that is, to put it mildly, the software from Hell. Any program, at any level, could be defective--not on purpose, mind you, but defective nonetheless.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: major warning about c cleaner and windows 10

I use C cleaner I have the pro version it works well. Take Microsoft Disability suggestions as that Suggestions. Would the program get development and releases if it was defective? I wouldn't think so.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: major warning about c cleaner and windows 10

Sieghard,

For myself, I would have taken the suggestion by the person at MS's Disability Helpline not to use CCleaner, in the same way as someone from a fast food company, suggesting or telling me not to buy food from any other fast food company.

A wise person would never put all their eggs in one basket.

LOL

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <alan1057@me.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: major warning about c cleaner and windows 10


Sieghard,

Couple of years ago, MS accessibility warned me not to use this program anymore and at that point I simply uninstalled it and just use the built in MS tools.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 6:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: major warning about c cleaner and windows 10

Hi Jed,

If you have a copy of Windows 10 Creators Update on a USB stick, the entire installation process is accessible with Narrator, definitely worthwhile to create such a stick for the future.
Also, out of curiocity, did even Narrator not work any more?
As for those registry cleaners and optimizers and what have you, I have long since decided that they are all a bunch of BS. I used to have one as well and each time I ran it tere were things it found, then it said it had fixed whatever number of problems and when I ran it a minute later it had another couple of dozen problems, like I said, total BS in my opinion.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 2:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: major warning about c cleaner and windows 10

Hey guys,

OK for those of you using windows 10, i had a bad experience with c cleaner.
I ahve used it for years with various versions of windows, but never again with win 10. Long story short, i now have to re-format, not happy! I would not suggest it. I did a clean up yesterday, went to reboot, and had no speech. I hadc to have a friend come over and he's now working to re-install windows.