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firefox and Google chrome

Don H
 

I am running Windows 10 64 bit and will soon be running JAWS. With my current screen reader, Window Eyes, I found that the 64 bit version of Firefox did not work well. Google Chrome 64 bit seems to work pretty well. Which versions of firefox and Google Chrome work best with JAWS?
As a newbee to JAWS I appreciate any help.


forwarding a thunderbird question for another Window Eyes user reading mail as non threaded

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hello List,

 

 

I'm trying to transition to Jaws starting with emailing which I am getting a lot of experience on lately.

 

 

I find with Jaws I have to view messages as threaded which I don't

like.  Is there a way to read messages as unthreaded.  Jaws doesn't seem

to read the titles unless threaded.  Hoping there is a setting to be

changed.


locked FW: Abuse in the "digests"!

p tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hello, all,

 

I  appreciate every bit of help that people on the   various JAWS lists have provided me and  others in the past.

Although I appreciate   VFO a lot, there have been a  few times  when issues were discussed on the lists that weren’t fully recognized as problematic issues by Freedom Scientific

In  other words, without the lists, it   would have been harder to get enough comments going to get the attention of the company that developed the excellent JAWS  software

I will refer to one issue later.

It is vital that we  help new JAWS users and ifI can help,  I would happily do so.

 

By the way, there are a lot of reasons why people have more problems using a screen reader and possibly typing besides having  other disabilities.

I joined the thread late and hope newcomers will be received warmly here.

 

Should we happen to  discover some clever new  feature for JAWS  that VFO could use, so much the better.

Six  years ago, some of us pressed VFo then Freedom  Scientific to do a better job of offering more distinct voices for those with slight hearing impairment or to  anticipate the aging of the

Large number of baby boomers who  wwill obviously  age and where many will find hearing distinctly more of an issue

I consider the previous example to be one very beneficial benefit of any list as sharing of  opinions for the positive can influence VFO; per the JAWS voices thing, the commentary did its successful   work.

 

In 1  public meeting,

A few professionals who  know absolutely everything  argued rudely that  to think  ahead of how we as eventual older people would best distinctly hear a screen reader was no  issue as they were    young  so  why bother about  older people and screen reader usability?

 

The  other example is the  perennial difficulty in reminding somethat many MAGIC users also use JAWS at the same time and vice versa.

 

Hence the need for a list not to  forget  that trying to  improve JAWS or getting answers when one is frustrated at  let’s say the launch of a     new version saves all of us time.

 

We need new ideas; that simply  makes the software better!

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

 

 

There’s no need to put up withthis kind of abuse.  If you want to join an email  list whose moderators treat all list members with patience and respect and don’t tolerate bashing or personal attacks of any kind, consider joining the JAWS Users list.  To subscribe, visit the following page:

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

 

I too have written the list owner and am dismayed at James's behavior. Especially as he is a moderator. There was one woman voicing her concern that if she asked for help she too would be seen as ignorant and would have to go through the same mistreatment... I really dont see how this is being tolerated.
On 5/16/2017 12:24 PM, HAMILTON wrote:

Moderator(s):

 

An e-mail explaining what was, and what was not, appropriate behaviour/language for sending to the JFW listserv was sent out not long ago.

 

It seems to me that “James Homuth” has crossed the line in many of his comments, including in Digest 886!  Most of my work life was involved with “human rights” issues, and it is important to remember that it is NOT INTENT that matters; rather, it is EFFECT.  If you agree, please do something about it.

 

It is possible that the person asking the original question may never write to this listserve after Mr. Homuth’s comments.  As well, others may be discouraged from reaching out for help with JAWS.

 

If you do NOT agree with my statement, please explain why his comments did not “cross the line”.

 

Thank you.

 

Jim Hamilton

 

********

 

 


Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

James Bentley
 

Glad to get your opinion.  I have a couple people that I can ask.

I want to play with TB for a week or so to find out if it screws up like WLM often does.  If not, I'm changing email clients.

Thanks for everything.

James B


On 5/16/2017 9:17 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:59 pm, James Bentley wrote:
What I am hoping for is for the message headers to read the same way that they did in WLM.

 P.S.:  If you're not against asking for sighted help on principle it is faster, much faster, to do the rearranging of the order via mouse-driven drag and drop and the addition of columns via right-clicking on the headings row and selecting/deselecting the columns you'd like to have displayed.

The logistics of doing this with a screen reader is just far more time consuming, so if you have a willing assistant and speed is of the essence then I'd definitely go that route.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.



Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I wonder if there are jaws scripts out there or if someone could write them.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

 

Hello Brian,

 

The multiple entries in the system tray seems to have resolved itself for now.  I do not even know why.

 

I do not use NVDA. So, I wonder if there is a way to try the drag and drop with Jaws to get the date column to show up in the message header?

 

Thanks,

 

James B

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

 

James,
        1.  I can't see that (Sent Date or anything similar) in the list of things you can display in Thunderbird  If you want to have a look yourself then see:  http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html and look for the section entitled, "Using drag and drop with NVDA to rearrange column headers in Mozilla Thunderbird"  Even if you don't plan to rearrange anything it lets you get into what's available to rearrange and that's not necessarily visible by default

        2.  Do you have more than one e-mail account set up in Thunderbird?   I have not seen the 4-notifications with 4 different message counts but it strikes me as if it could be a mailbox by mailbox feature, as in version 52 there is a single system tray icon where you get the counts for individual mailboxes on hover-over.  I don't see anything obvious in Tools, Options that would make this happen but it's the only rational explanation unless something's not working right (which, of course, could be the case).
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Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

James Bentley
 

Cool, I'll get my date back after midnight.

If you run across any information as to how I might move the unread to be the first column, please let me know.  It saves a major amount of time to see that first if I am going through a lot of email.

James B

James B



On 5/16/2017 9:11 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

James,

         Oh, that you can definitely do.  When I was playing around with this a while ago when a question like this came up before I had rearranged mine to something very similar to what you list.  I can't even recall what the original order was and I know that I added the status column so that the screen reader would read either "Read" or "Unread" because the questioner back then wanted that desperately.

          By the way the date itself is a date time stamp.  If the message is from today it's only the time but once it's past today's date the full date/time stamp with the date showing first, but all in the same column.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.



locked Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

James says he is list owner

Sent from my Android phone using Aqua Mail

On May 16, 2017 3:29:40 PM "Randy Barnett" <randy@...> wrote:

I too have written the list owner and am dismayed at James's behavior. Especially as he is a moderator. There was one woman voicing her concern that if she asked for help she too would be seen as ignorant and would have to go through the same mistreatment... I really dont see how this is being tolerated.
On 5/16/2017 12:24 PM, HAMILTON wrote:

Moderator(s):

 

An e-mail explaining what was, and what was not, appropriate behaviour/language for sending to the JFW listserv was sent out not long ago.

 

It seems to me that “James Homuth” has crossed the line in many of his comments, including in Digest 886!  Most of my work life was involved with “human rights” issues, and it is important to remember that it is NOT INTENT that matters; rather, it is EFFECT.  If you agree, please do something about it.

 

It is possible that the person asking the original question may never write to this listserve after Mr. Homuth’s comments.  As well, others may be discouraged from reaching out for help with JAWS.

 

If you do NOT agree with my statement, please explain why his comments did not “cross the line”.

 

Thank you.

 

Jim Hamilton

 

********

 



locked Re: not everyone is an expert.

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

No that was me that got moderated

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not everyone is an expert.

Wow did you just really ban the OP for telling people how they made him feel? Am I going to be banned too? If so this is not the place for me...
On 5/16/2017 12:18 AM, James Homuth wrote:
I asked twice that if there continued to be problems they be taken off-list.
Your little side comments instead just got you moderated.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Sent: May-16-17 3:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not everyone is an expert.

Relax not all users are rude like one don't let one person give you a
bad taste.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: not everyone is a expert.

not everyone is a jaws expert like you are.
you were all hand holders when you started useing jaws.
i just started useing the demo on and off 3 months ago. mostly off.
you will be getting thousands of new jaws users that use to use
window eyes like me since window eyes support is gone.
i only asked a simple password question and got the answer about 30
erigant messages ago.
i used vocal eyes then window eyes for 26 years. its going to be hard
for me to learn all the jaws functions from scratch.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?


Your just not going to own this are you? Mods should behave better...
I am irritated today because this is the second time a person has been
belittled on this list. At least the other person owned it and
apologize.be











Re: accessible anti-virus programs

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Actually in Windows 7 it is called Microsoft Security Essentials, but it is also accessible and works just as well.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible anti-virus programs

 

Windows Defender is available on win 7 also. It is the only anti virus program I use.
On 5/16/2017 8:55 AM, Dennis L wrote:

I’m on windows7

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:35 AM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible anti-virus programs

 

Windows Defender (if you use Windows 10), it’s already part of Windows, free and works just fine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible anti-virus programs

 

What are accessible anti-virus programs with jaws?

 


Re: accessible anti-virus programs

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Windows Defender is available on win 7 also. It is the only anti virus program I use.
On 5/16/2017 8:55 AM, Dennis L wrote:

I’m on windows7

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible anti-virus programs

 

Windows Defender (if you use Windows 10), it’s already part of Windows, free and works just fine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible anti-virus programs

 

What are accessible anti-virus programs with jaws?



Re: accessible anti-virus programs

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I’m on windows7

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible anti-virus programs

 

Windows Defender (if you use Windows 10), it’s already part of Windows, free and works just fine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible anti-virus programs

 

What are accessible anti-virus programs with jaws?


Entire grid being read out by JAWS 18 in WPF application when first field is focused

eli.klein@...
 

We are building a 508 compliant WPF application, and one thing we found was that TextBlocks in every cell of the same Grid are being read off when the first item is selected. Also, it does not work if you are using 'shift' + 'tab' to move selection backwards, only when you use 'tab' alone and move forward. I tested if it was somehow a property of Grids by making a sample application with a Grid and TextBlocks in the columns and rows and selecting the upper left cell, and that did not make JAWS read all items on the Grid. So I don't think it is a general property of the Grid in WPF. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? And also how to stop it would be nice.


Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

 

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:59 pm, James Bentley wrote:
What I am hoping for is for the message headers to read the same way that they did in WLM.

 P.S.:  If you're not against asking for sighted help on principle it is faster, much faster, to do the rearranging of the order via mouse-driven drag and drop and the addition of columns via right-clicking on the headings row and selecting/deselecting the columns you'd like to have displayed.

The logistics of doing this with a screen reader is just far more time consuming, so if you have a willing assistant and speed is of the essence then I'd definitely go that route.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

 

James,

         Oh, that you can definitely do.  When I was playing around with this a while ago when a question like this came up before I had rearranged mine to something very similar to what you list.  I can't even recall what the original order was and I know that I added the status column so that the screen reader would read either "Read" or "Unread" because the questioner back then wanted that desperately.

          By the way the date itself is a date time stamp.  If the message is from today it's only the time but once it's past today's date the full date/time stamp with the date showing first, but all in the same column.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

James Bentley
 

What I am hoping for is for the message headers to read the same way that they did in WLM.

atachment,unread, from, subject, date, and time.

James B


On 5/16/2017 8:49 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

James,

           If what you're looking for is the actual date-time stamp of when the message was sent I do not see anything that matches that description or even hints at it.  This could be buried somewhere in the message header, but I doubt you want to wade through those.

           What I'm suggesting is that you can actually plow through the available columns in Thunderbird to see what's available.  If something's there that you want, if you do the NVDA-to-JAWS keystroke translation (which is generally pretty close, particularly if some of what's described isn't really the screen reader, but either Windows or Thunderbird commands) you can take a look at what your options are, add or remove the columns you'd like to display, and even reorder their order if you so desire.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.



Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

 

James,

           If what you're looking for is the actual date-time stamp of when the message was sent I do not see anything that matches that description or even hints at it.  This could be buried somewhere in the message header, but I doubt you want to wade through those.

           What I'm suggesting is that you can actually plow through the available columns in Thunderbird to see what's available.  If something's there that you want, if you do the NVDA-to-JAWS keystroke translation (which is generally pretty close, particularly if some of what's described isn't really the screen reader, but either Windows or Thunderbird commands) you can take a look at what your options are, add or remove the columns you'd like to display, and even reorder their order if you so desire.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


locked Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

Dave...
 


Thanks for your insight. Muting this topic now.
 
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 17:55
Subject: `]RE: Abuse in the "digests"!

Jaws wasn’t even a glimmer in the Founders’ eye.  Heck!  Back in those days Braille was either not invented yet or the blind in general were a useless population capable of doing, knowing or a`        `ccomplishing anything. 

Today every kind of hatred or dislike is considered racist when most of the population doesn’t even know what racism is. 

For those of you literalist who don’t agree with a JFW monitor are aware that mixing a handicapped issue like adaptive software for the blind with a serious political issue is like writing an English thesis comparing apples and oranges?  Monitors for a long, complicated technology based support list is a tedious never ending task. Every now and then word goes out on the list asking for volunteers to replace our current person (or is it a staff?) that so many disapprove of.  I haven’t seen (or is it heard?_ of this huge non-existant list.  So will all the more educated, more “fair” and super-humans with 25 hour days to devote to this “volunteer?” position please step up to the plate and show us all how it can be done?    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

 

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 02:16 pm, Mich Verrier wrote:

having not followed this thread in full

 And therein lie most of the problems on many of these forums.  Including most of the sturm und drang today.

Calling what has occurred abuse is beyond ridiculous.   Adults sometimes have heated disagreements and most of them manage to get through them without resorting to the fainting couch.

Would that more might try that approach.
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Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

James Bentley
 

OK, please let me just be sure that I understand what you are suggesting.
 
I think that you are saying that the “date” column is there but it will either take eye sight or a skilled screen reader user to make it visible to Jaws.
 
Brian, thanks as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird
 
James,

          I know that JAWS supports the same drag and drop commands as are supported in NVDA exist in JAWS, but I don't have my keystrokes documents handy at the moment to find 'em.

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Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

judith bron
 

I guess I'm one of those who has a bad type or mobility issues. However the only place I encounter these problems is with typing passwords. Perhaps this is an issue JFW should address since there are many of us who do just fine personally and professionally with this important issu being the source of our problemse. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Your a lost cause...
On 5/15/2017 10:06 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Then pay attention to what you're typing, or use a password manager.
Seriously, people who's only problem is mobility issues or bad typing
seem to do just fine. Why does blindness suddenly mean they can't?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Jaws will not voice the characters as you type in a password field. So
if you have issues with motor function or just a really bad type you
dont know if you typed the wrong letter. Until you get the entered
invalid password error. and a lot of sites block you after 3 failures...
I can see how this would be frustrating for someone with this issue.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
So why can't you start over if you've pressed the wrong keys now?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

yes, thats what win eyes does. it still shows stars on the screen but
will speak the keys i press. so i can at least start over if i press
the wrong keys.
as i said i am at home with only me, myself and i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I dont think he wants his password in clear text. I think he wants
Jaws to echo the characters as he types them. The screen would still
show stars and the speech history would also... It really isnt as big
a deal as you all seem to think.
On 5/15/2017 9:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What he means is that the iPhone of course will echo the character
as you first touch it, once you lift your finger and it is typed it
will say bullet or whatever it is it says, but obviously with a
touch screen you do need to know what letter you are on.
Theoretically if you didn't have a headset and somebody was standing
next to you and was paying attention they could remember what they
hear, but it's pretty easy in such a situation to swipe your finger
around the screen a bit so Voiceover speaks multiple letters of
numbers before you enter the one you want. I guess you can use a
headset with Jaws, but what he wants is for the password to be
"visible" and that is not at all the same as the iPhone saying what
letter you are on because as soon as you type the password it does
not read/echo it back and it is not visible on the screen. If you
want to compare the iPhone saying what character you touch when you
first touch it that would be like somebody
watching over your shoulder what keys you press on a keyboard.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Um. My iPhone has never once spoken a password to me. If yours is,
that's probably a broken thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-15-17 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Again people who use Jaws often have other disabilities that make
things hard for them to do... Acting as if they are being
unreasonable or ignorant in there wants is not helpful to anyone...
If they need to hear the characters it is not your or my place to
question them...
Jaws could read the characters without having them visible in speech
history. I don't see this as a issue if the person is alone or
doesn't care if the person with them hears the code. I Phone's speak
the passwords no matter what you want no one is saying don't use
IPhones
because of it...
On 5/15/2017 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why
should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is our
responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter
a password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows
about Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't
find a
passsword in there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have
the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better
screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it
for obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the
feedback or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so
then what you describe is probably the best solution, type the
password in Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you
could use a password manager which would fill the user name and
password field for you once a password has been saved, but here
you still have to enter a master password to unlock the saved
password. Only thing is that the master password is the same for
all passwords and at least with Roboform you can specify a time
interval during which the passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set
it to 3 hours then for 3 hours after you enter the master password
you wouldn't have to enter it again. I assume other password
managers have a similar feature, but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them
into the fields.



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locked `]RE: Abuse in the "digests"!

judith bron
 

Jaws wasn’t even a glimmer in the Founders’ eye.  Heck!  Back in those days Braille was either not invented yet or the blind in general were a useless population capable of doing, knowing or a`        `ccomplishing anything. 

Today every kind of hatred or dislike is considered racist when most of the population doesn’t even know what racism is. 

For those of you literalist who don’t agree with a JFW monitor are aware that mixing a handicapped issue like adaptive software for the blind with a serious political issue is like writing an English thesis comparing apples and oranges?  Monitors for a long, complicated technology based support list is a tedious never ending task. Every now and then word goes out on the list asking for volunteers to replace our current person (or is it a staff?) that so many disapprove of.  I haven’t seen (or is it heard?_ of this huge non-existant list.  So will all the more educated, more “fair” and super-humans with 25 hour days to devote to this “volunteer?” position please step up to the plate and show us all how it can be done?    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

 

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 02:16 pm, Mich Verrier wrote:

having not followed this thread in full

 And therein lie most of the problems on many of these forums.  Including most of the sturm und drang today.

Calling what has occurred abuse is beyond ridiculous.   Adults sometimes have heated disagreements and most of them manage to get through them without resorting to the fainting couch.

Would that more might try that approach.
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