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Thunderbird Still quirky.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I downloaded the latest Jaws release today and Thunderbird works as before except for one issue. The inbox is still blank... I use Unified Folders and now I have to open the inbox tree and go to each account to read messages. Is this a Jaws issue or a Thunderbird issue? Or is it just my PC?


Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hello all,

Have you tried assigning the calculator to a hot key. It sure is easier and
faster to bring up the calculator.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

First I used to have to press ca, but since I've used it so much, it gives
me calculator as first choice.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

Bill,

Instead of pressing C repeatedly, just press the Windows Key and immediately
start typing the word Calculator. I doubt you have to type past the first 3
or so letters for it to come up. For me the first thing that comes up after
"c" is Google Chrome, but as soon as I type the "a" calculator has focus and
I can press enter to start the app.
Also, many keyboards have calculator shortcut keys. I'm using a Logitech
MK710 and it has a calculator key on the very right at the same height as
the Function keys. After the Print Screen, Scroll lock and Pause keys there
is a gap and then a lone key off to the right and it brings up the
calculator.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

I have to press the C key a couple of times to get the Calculator. First
comes Control Panel.
Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

I have JAWS 18, latest update. I also have Windows 10 and just press the
Windows Key and then C - VOILA, up comes calculator. I use the qwerty
numbers and symbols - works like a charm, only way to go to figure my Visa
figures.
They're not on my spread sheet right now.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 and Calculator

I saw a number of posts on this list earlier about the calculator. Indeed,
in Windows 10, it is hidden. With a little sighted assistance, however, we
found it and pinned it to the task bar, which was a good solution.

And, a huge thanks to the discussion about using the Windows Key and numbers
keys to jump to applications. I had forgotten about those commands
entirely. Now, I use them all the time. They are fantastic!

Well, I installed JAWS 18 yesterday. ALAS! The calculator that worked so
well in JAWS 17 appears to be completely broken in JAWS 18 or, if not
broken, is implemented so badly as to be useless.

It is so good to be able to keep old versions of JAWS around so that when
Freedom Scientific screws up, as they did with calculator, one can go back
to a prior version. The calculator works great in JAWS 17. It seems
unusable in JAWS 18.





I. Edward Marquette

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Mobile: 816.812.0088

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Re: New mail client?

 

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 01:58 pm, Bill White wrote:
Be careful if you use Outlook.com from Microsoft. They have recently said they will no longer support synchronization with WLM.

Please give a citation for that.  Months ago, when support for WLM 2012 was ceased, it was because the Microsoft proprietary synchronization (and I cannot for the life of me recall what they called it) for combined calendar/contacts/e-mail was being changed and is no longer supported.

For anyone using WLM 2012 via POP or IMAP, which is most people I know who use it, e-mail download (POP) and synchronization (IMAP more than POP) remains fully functional.
--
Brian

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Re: New mail client?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

That doesn't make any sense... I have an outlook.com account and I would not use WLM if that is the case.

On 4/25/2017 1:58 PM, Bill White wrote:
Be careful if you use Outlook.com from Microsoft. They have recently said they will no longer support synchronization with WLM.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New mail client?

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...








Re: New mail client?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Be careful if you use Outlook.com from Microsoft. They have recently said they will no longer support synchronization with WLM.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New mail client?

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...


Re: New mail client?

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Randy,

I am using Jaws, but not Thunderbird, so I cann't help you with this.

Marten

On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:27:02 -0700 "Randy Barnett" <randy@...> wrote:

Thanks,I use unified folders and the inbox isnt showing all of my new
mail... I have to open the unified jinobox folder and go to each
indevidual account to see new messages. Is there something I can do to
fix this? Thanks again for the help.
On 4/25/2017 12:24 PM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Randy,

Today an april update is released with some fixes. Will not be available
by automatic update. You have to download it. One of the three fixes is
for thunderbird.
You can download it from:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:31:52 -0700 "Randy Barnett" <randy@...> wrote:

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...




Re: New mail client?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Thanks,I use unified folders and the inbox isnt showing all of my new mail... I have to open the unified jinobox folder and go to each indevidual account to see new messages. Is there something I can do to fix this? Thanks again for the help.

On 4/25/2017 12:24 PM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Randy,

Today an april update is released with some fixes. Will not be available
by automatic update. You have to download it. One of the three fixes is
for thunderbird.
You can download it from:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:31:52 -0700 "Randy Barnett" <randy@...> wrote:

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...


Re: New mail client?

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Randy,

Today an april update is released with some fixes. Will not be available
by automatic update. You have to download it. One of the three fixes is
for thunderbird.
You can download it from:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards, Marten

On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:31:52 -0700 "Randy Barnett" <randy@...> wrote:

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...


Re: New mail client?

kory anderson
 

wlm 2012?

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New mail client?

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...


New mail client?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...


Vocalizer Expressive 2 Installation Problem Solved

Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...>
 

All:

I finally called technical support.  This was after checking the archives here and doing a general Web search.  It turns out that Alan Robins, then a participant on this list, appeared to have the same problem.  Numerous suggestions were made.  Nothing worked, and if Alan ever got Vocalizer to work and mentioned it on the list, I must have missed it.  Alan, if you still want to get Vocalizer 2 working, read on.

Since the High Premium voices come in separate files, I was looking for a synthesizer named Allison or Susan.  All I saw was Vocalizer Expressive (factory), and I believe that same file was present before – presumably for Vocalizer Expressive 1 voices.

At the direction of FS technical support (or whatever they are called now), I went into the JAWS menu (JawsKey + j).  Then, I went into “Options” and then “Voices.”  After that, I went into plain old “Voice Adjustments.”  I didn’t touch the utilities menu or the Braille and Synthesizer Manager –as I had supposed.

Well, I arrowed down to that same stupid old Vocalizer Expressive (factory) entry.  After highlighting it, I was instructed to press Alt + v.  That isn’t a particularly appropriate shortcut for “Person,” but it worked.  I was presented with two names: one included “Susan” and the other included “Allison.”

I was next instructed to tab over to “Save as.”  I then renamed the files to “Susan” and then “Allison,” respectively. 

Now, if I want to switch “synthesizers” or “voices” (and the distinction is a little meaningless now), I press control+ JawsKey + s.  I can arrow among Susan, Allison, Eloquence, and …

Was this intuitive?  My best guess is that FS has been hiring laid off Microsoft programmers.

Who else would think this is logical?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Installing Vocalizer Expressive 2

 

Hi:

 

If you have any of the older vocalizer voices installed, you should uninstall them.  For some reason, JAWS cannot use both version 1 and version 2 voices.

 

If that’s not the problem, I’m stumped.

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Installing Vocalizer Expressive 2

 

I took the plunge and installed JAWS 18.  I wanted to try the Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices.  So, I downloaded and installed Alison and Suzan High Premium from the Expressive 2 lists.  The files downloaded just fine, and the installation seemed to work just fine.

I have restarted JAWS 3 times, and JAWS sees none of the new synthesizers.  Any ideas?

 

 

I. Edward Marquette

Direct Dial:  816.502.4646

Mobile:  816.812.0088

Google Voice:  408.692.5640

Facsimile:  816.960.0041

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Kansas City, MO 64108

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Re: question, introduction and test.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Welcome to the list. At least two screen readers have suspended the feature temporarily because of unintended side effects (radical volume swings) under Win 10.  Stand by for further developments.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question, introduction and test.

 

Well first my name is Matt and as the email say I am from Florida.

Now I hope this is coming thru?

Now for the real question: I have installed the latest update to JFW18 and upgraded to the latest W10 called the creator edition. The problem I am having with JFW is that the audio ducting does not work anymore. It work before the update to the latest version of JFW18  but I cannot remember if it work before I updated to the latest W10 or not but it is surely not working now with the latest update to JFW18 and the latest W10 version creator edition. I have uninstall it and reinstalled it and with the uninstall I uninstall all of jaws share components and any of my custom settings. So even with the reinstall of jaws latest 18 version audio ducting still don’t work. It is the same on my laptop as well.  Yes I do have audio ducting checked.

So have any of you had this problem ? If so do you know a fix for it?

Thanks for any input.

 

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 


Issue with Hotspot Clicker

Narendra VG
 

Hi All,
I am trying to install the Hotspot clicker in one of the machine. In
the installation screen , in the select one of the JAWS language
dialog, I am not able to find the any language. In The language combo
box there is no item to select the language. I tried installing
different version. But no luck. The system is running Windows7 32Bit
and JAWS 12. Please help me in this regard.

Regards,
Narendra VG


Re: question, introduction and test.

Mich Verrier
 

hi I think they turned off that feture since jfw was trying to solve a fix to it. hth. from Mich.
 

From: Matt
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question, introduction and test.
 

Well first my name is Matt and as the email say I am from Florida.

Now I hope this is coming thru?

Now for the real question: I have installed the latest update to JFW18 and upgraded to the latest W10 called the creator edition. The problem I am having with JFW is that the audio ducting does not work anymore. It work before the update to the latest version of JFW18  but I cannot remember if it work before I updated to the latest W10 or not but it is surely not working now with the latest update to JFW18 and the latest W10 version creator edition. I have uninstall it and reinstalled it and with the uninstall I uninstall all of jaws share components and any of my custom settings. So even with the reinstall of jaws latest 18 version audio ducting still don’t work. It is the same on my laptop as well.  Yes I do have audio ducting checked.

So have any of you had this problem ? If so do you know a fix for it?

Thanks for any input.

 

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 


question, introduction and test.

Matt
 

Well first my name is Matt and as the email say I am from Florida.

Now I hope this is coming thru?

Now for the real question: I have installed the latest update to JFW18 and upgraded to the latest W10 called the creator edition. The problem I am having with JFW is that the audio ducting does not work anymore. It work before the update to the latest version of JFW18  but I cannot remember if it work before I updated to the latest W10 or not but it is surely not working now with the latest update to JFW18 and the latest W10 version creator edition. I have uninstall it and reinstalled it and with the uninstall I uninstall all of jaws share components and any of my custom settings. So even with the reinstall of jaws latest 18 version audio ducting still don’t work. It is the same on my laptop as well.  Yes I do have audio ducting checked.

So have any of you had this problem ? If so do you know a fix for it?

Thanks for any input.

 

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 


Re: Installing Vocalizer Expressive 2

Joseph Norton
 

Hi:

 

If you have any of the older vocalizer voices installed, you should uninstall them.  For some reason, JAWS cannot use both version 1 and version 2 voices.

 

If that’s not the problem, I’m stumped.

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Installing Vocalizer Expressive 2

 

I took the plunge and installed JAWS 18.  I wanted to try the Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices.  So, I downloaded and installed Alison and Suzan High Premium from the Expressive 2 lists.  The files downloaded just fine, and the installation seemed to work just fine.

I have restarted JAWS 3 times, and JAWS sees none of the new synthesizers.  Any ideas?

 

 

I. Edward Marquette

Direct Dial:  816.502.4646

Mobile:  816.812.0088

Google Voice:  408.692.5640

Facsimile:  816.960.0041

Kutak Rock LLP

2300 Main Street, Suite 800

Kansas City, MO 64108

ed.marquette@...

 

 

 

 

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Re: NVDA ?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I'm confused... with num lock on Jaws doesn't do anything with the keypad... The only time you would turn on num lock is to enter numbers... NVDA is the same way. Except NVDA doesn't recognize the num pad as a down arrow either way...

On 4/24/2017 11:27 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
jaws differentiates between them as well, jaws+numpad 2 with numlock
turned on does not perform a say all, whereas jaws+2 with numlock
turned off does because in that case the numpad 2 is seen as a down
arrow (I find this combination very useful on full-sized laptops with
an actual numpad but without the regular six-pack placement). It is
simply an alternative to using the regular arrow keys

On 4/23/17, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
Sorry 20yrs of Jaws has me thinking of Numpad 2 as being the same as
down arrow. My mind just inserted Numpad 2 for down arrow...Whereas NVDA
differentiates between the two...

On 4/23/2017 10:47 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which documentation says that NVDA+Numpad 2 is the say all command?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: NVDA ?

I am trying to learn NVDA. According to the documentation Say all is NVDA
key plus num pad 2 But I cant get it to say all no matter what I try. Any
help would be great. :).








Re: NVDA ?

Soronel Haetir
 

jaws differentiates between them as well, jaws+numpad 2 with numlock
turned on does not perform a say all, whereas jaws+2 with numlock
turned off does because in that case the numpad 2 is seen as a down
arrow (I find this combination very useful on full-sized laptops with
an actual numpad but without the regular six-pack placement). It is
simply an alternative to using the regular arrow keys

On 4/23/17, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
Sorry 20yrs of Jaws has me thinking of Numpad 2 as being the same as
down arrow. My mind just inserted Numpad 2 for down arrow...Whereas NVDA
differentiates between the two...

On 4/23/2017 10:47 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which documentation says that NVDA+Numpad 2 is the say all command?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: NVDA ?

I am trying to learn NVDA. According to the documentation Say all is NVDA
key plus num pad 2 But I cant get it to say all no matter what I try. Any
help would be great. :).








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Soronel Haetir
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Re: Minimize and Maximize Ribbons

 

I know the following will be considered by some to be semantic hair splitting, but, CTRL+F1 is indeed the Hide/Show (or minimize/maximize if you prefer) ribbon command, but it is not a JAWS command, but a Windows command.

This command will work (unless something intentionally remaps it, which would be extremely rare) no matter what screen reader you might be using.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Minimize and Maximize Ribbons

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

If they're minimized the ribbons are collapsed, so you maximize the ribbons to expand,  & access them.  Yes, the, Control + F1, keystroke is a toggle.
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Minimize and Maximize Ribbons

Does Control-F1 toggle? What is the reason for minimizing
and maximizing ribbons in JAWS?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Sugar
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Minimize and Maximize Ribbons

Great, thank Mike.

Appreciate it.

sugar

 

"I speak my mind because it hurts to bite my tongue all the
time."

-Sugar

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Minimize and Maximize Ribbons

 

Hi Sugar,

 

Control + F1 works with Windows 7 as well.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar <mailto:sugarsyl71@...

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 5:14 PM

Subject: Re: Minimize and Maximize Ribbons

 

Is this just for windows 10?

What is the key stroke for windows 7

 

"I speak my mind because it hurts to bite my tongue all the
time."

-Sugar

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Minimize and Maximize Ribbons

 

Hi Bill,

 

Check this website out It shows several options for
maximizing / minimizing ribbons, & option #1 is the 1 you
want.  It's the, Control + F1, keystroke.

 

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42982-hide-show-file-exp
lorer-ribbon-windows-10-a.html

 

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White <mailto:billwhite92701@...

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:27 PM

Subject: Minimize and Maximize Ribbons

 

What are the JAWS commands in Windows 10 to Maximize and
Minimize ribbons?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...
<mailto:Billwhite92701@...>

 

 

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