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Re: Help with menus in Win 10

 

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 07:58 am, Soronel Haetir wrote:
My biggest complaint about ribbons is that they don't provide an easy
way to discover how many options are available.

I'm not discounting what you're saying, as that is very annoying.  The fact is, however, that ribbons have been the primary interface for over 10 years now and it's clear that they're not going away.

I absolutely hated (and still do) the JAWS virtual ribbon because it essentially allows the user to avoid learning how to use the real ribbon.  I have the same problem with Classic Shell and similar.

We are now over a decade into the era where ribbons are the access method in Windows.  Setting up your (for any you, not you specifically) machine such that "the real way of accessing things" is masked is anyone's right, but it can have real world consequences if you have to operate on computers elsewhere.  I've seen too many "deer in the headlights" episodes where someone who's highly customized their environments with what are now non-standard access methods meant to replicate long defunct ones be utterly unable to function when placed in front of another machine, even with their preferred screen reader, elsewhere.   If you know that will never apply to you then have at whatever you might like to do.   If you know that you'll likely be asked to use other computers that you don't have the ability to customize at will then you're better off to learn how to navigate things as they appear "out of the box." 
--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


Re: Free JAWS Scripts Released for Accessible Digipan - PSK31 for Blind Hams!

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Way cool,  I have certain logistical problems (my computer is on one side of the shack, and my rigs are on the other), but My Kenwood has a built-in TNC.   I’m a little behind, but this sounds like a good item for QST, perhaps in the “New Products” section.  If you know the author personally, you might pass that along.

 

Ted (KD4EXK)

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free JAWS Scripts Released for Accessible Digipan - PSK31 for Blind Hams!

 

Hi!

 

Free JAWS scripts for Accessible Digipan (PSK31 for Blind Hams) has been released.  At the link below, you can download it.  Accessible Digipan is built for users of JAWS.  The installation includes everything you need: the JAWS scripts, audio tutorials, a detailed written Guide, a Quick Start Guide, and much more.  Even the installer for DigiPan is included in this one download!  Now, blind hams can finally participate in the most popular ham radio digital mode - PSK31!

 

These JAWS scripts were written by Jim "The Snowman" Snowbarger (WA0PSS).  The Snowman is a legendary JAWS scripter.  He is a retired electrical engineer and an Advanced Class ham.  These are powerful scripts.

 

On the webpage at the below link, you will also find a link to a GoFundMe page.  The purpose of the GoFundMe page is to support the continued development of adaptive technologies for the blind.  If you can, please make a donation.  Even if you cannot, then please everyone “Like” and “Share” it on Facebook, email and tweet it out to your friends and families, send it out to your ham club and help support this work in every way you can.  None of the donations benefit me personally.

 

http://accessibledigipan.org/

 

Enjoy,

Richard


Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I just think of the ribbons as different menus. As you go through them, a screen reader will announce the keys to get to them, and I've learned a lot of those, example, in Outlook, Alt-F-T-M, takes you right to the mail tabs or Alt-F-T-A takes you to Advance; both are in Options. Alt-V-V-S takes you right to sort, things like that will work, that is if remembering things comes fairly easy to you. Otherwise, other methods would be more suitable.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 8:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

I did not look for one, but you can probably get a 3rd party clacik shell!
"I really really don't like Ribbons!!! :( Guess I had to learn sometime..."


Jonas Voll
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Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 2:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Not much of a choice since I don't see them going away any time soon.


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Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 10:11 PM
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Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

OK, I figured it out... I really really don't like Ribbons!!! :( Guess I had to learn sometime...







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Re: How to boot to USB!

Jonas Voll
 

Well it’s not the best but you can use your apple and do some kind of video!

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to boot to USB!

 

That's a really useful and comprehensive article.

That being said, what's generally "the big problem" is that no screen-reader support is available prior to the loading of the operating system, and all of these things are done during the part of the boot sequence prior to the operating system loading.

I have yet to encounter an instance where there is speech feedback for these actions.  If anyone knows how to get it then please share.
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Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Soronel Haetir
 

My biggest complaint about ribbons is that they don't provide an easy
way to discover how many options are available. Sometimes they are
only one row, sometimes two and you are stuck arrowing around to
discover that information. With menus you always knew when you had
seen every option at a particular level.

On 4/3/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 06:25 am, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:


I guess you could call the ribbon a collection of menus, you just access
them a bit differently.
They're actually just a slight reinterpretation of the menu-submenu
structure such that the most commonly used features of the most commonly
used submenus are visible at all times for "point and click" convenience.

The tabs for each ribbon are exactly analogous to a menu invocation and are
all accessed via ALT plus appropriate letter.

The ribbon itself contains the old menu items (as groupings) and submenu
items (as individual controls within groupings), but as though the submenu
items were always expanded.  If you wish to move from what used to be menu
item to menu item, now grouping to grouping, you use CTRL plus Right Arrow
or Left Arrow, depending on whether you wish to go forward/right/down
(depending on how you wish to think about it) or backward/left/up.  Once
you've arrived at the group you wish to use, TAB or SHIFT plus TAB moves you
forward or backward through the individual controls for that group and,
eventually, out of that group if you keep going.  If you overshoot a simple
TAB or SHIFT plus TAB will move you back into the control group you wanted
to be in.n

The concept is precisely the same.  Ribbons are just a variant on the theme
and the keystrokes to navigate them are slightly different.  Once you drop
the idea that the arrow keys are your primary navigation keys and adjust to
the correct ones for ribbons they become very easy to use (or at least no
harder to use than menus).
--
*Brian*

*         * *A great many people think they are thinking when they are *
*merely rearranging their prejudices.*

*                 ~ William James*
--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


Re: Help with menus in Win 10

 

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 06:25 am, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:
I guess you could call the ribbon a collection of menus, you just access them a bit differently.

They're actually just a slight reinterpretation of the menu-submenu structure such that the most commonly used features of the most commonly used submenus are visible at all times for "point and click" convenience.

The tabs for each ribbon are exactly analogous to a menu invocation and are all accessed via ALT plus appropriate letter.

The ribbon itself contains the old menu items (as groupings) and submenu items (as individual controls within groupings), but as though the submenu items were always expanded.  If you wish to move from what used to be menu item to menu item, now grouping to grouping, you use CTRL plus Right Arrow or Left Arrow, depending on whether you wish to go forward/right/down (depending on how you wish to think about it) or backward/left/up.  Once you've arrived at the group you wish to use, TAB or SHIFT plus TAB moves you forward or backward through the individual controls for that group and, eventually, out of that group if you keep going.  If you overshoot a simple TAB or SHIFT plus TAB will move you back into the control group you wanted to be in.n

The concept is precisely the same.  Ribbons are just a variant on the theme and the keystrokes to navigate them are slightly different.  Once you drop the idea that the arrow keys are your primary navigation keys and adjust to the correct ones for ribbons they become very easy to use (or at least no harder to use than menus).
--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


Re: How to boot to USB!

 

That's a really useful and comprehensive article.

That being said, what's generally "the big problem" is that no screen-reader support is available prior to the loading of the operating system, and all of these things are done during the part of the boot sequence prior to the operating system loading.

I have yet to encounter an instance where there is speech feedback for these actions.  If anyone knows how to get it then please share.
--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


How to boot to USB!

Jonas Voll
 

How to change your boot options Without changing your boot in bios or changing  the default boot orders!

 

 

 

https://www.winhelp.us/computer-boot-order.html

 

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Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I guess you could call the ribbon a collection of menus, you just access them a bit differently. Perusing the JAWS training site will get you a really good course on ribbons from several years ago.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

There are no menus anymore; all those darn ribbons!
Sharon

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 11:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with menus in Win 10

So, I cant get to any of the view menu items other than options... I cant really use the menus at all actually. I am trying to set the folder details for group by, detail view and not to sort by device or category...


Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Sharon
 

Just about everything. I had never learned Windows 7 well. If you go to blindtraining.com you can see the table of contents.
Sharon

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Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Hey Sharon!
Can you give some exammpels of that book and what you found useful?

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

You might want to get the windows ten textbook from Access Technology Institute; it's not cheap, but it's the only thing that got me a bit functional again!
Sharon

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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 12:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

OK, If I select group by or sort by I get a list of attributes with checks by them... But I cant deselect items and there isn't a "none" option like in win7. Basicly I don't want items grouped by anything and I only want items sorted by name... And I want items listed in "detail" view ... I am trying to do this in "This PC".







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Re: windows 10 creators update

Jonas Voll
 

You do not need to change your boot opchens in Bios, most pc’s have a key to select your boot device!

With Dell it’s F8!

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin hunkin
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 7:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 creators update

 

Hi. Well, pity there’s no accessible way to change the bios boot settings, for loading like a 4 gb usb flash drive. Have a Toshiba satellite pro c-50-a.

Marvin.

 
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Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Jonas Voll
 

I did not look for one, but you can probably get a 3rd party clacik shell!
"I really really don't like Ribbons!!! :( Guess I had to learn sometime..."


Jonas Voll
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Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

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Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 2:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Not much of a choice since I don't see them going away any time soon.


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Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 10:11 PM
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OK, I figured it out... I really really don't like Ribbons!!! :( Guess I had to learn sometime...







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Re: Help with menus in Win 10

Jonas Voll
 

Hey Sharon!
Can you give some exammpels of that book and what you found useful?

Jonas Voll
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Envision, Inc.
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Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

You might want to get the windows ten textbook from Access Technology Institute; it's not cheap, but it's the only thing that got me a bit functional again!
Sharon

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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 12:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with menus in Win 10

OK, If I select group by or sort by I get a list of attributes with checks by them... But I cant deselect items and there isn't a "none" option like in win7. Basicly I don't want items grouped by anything and I only want items sorted by name... And I want items listed in "detail" view ... I am trying to do this in "This PC".







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Re: Win 10 vs Win7 with Jaws

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Any way to get JAWS in there from the beginning? It doesn't sound like much, but having it around while logging in gives me added confidence. I forget when that feature came along for Pro systems, but it was some time during the reign of NT.

Ted

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Subject: Re: Win 10 vs Win7 with Jaws

On 3/31/2017 6:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Well I am in the windows insider program so I downloaded the latest build of Win 10 Creators edition... So far the Narrator works for the install... Just have to have sighted assistance to slect the USB stick... The only issue I have ran into so far is that Jaws does a weird volume up/down thing when I arrow up and down...


And it takes jaws 10 seconds or so to load after the homescreen does...
I enter my password hit enter then the homescreen comes up and then
................... Jaws starts.


Re: Min processor state setting

Cristóbal
 

I’ll give that a try. I generally disable all that third-party add-on manufacturer bloatware stuff.

The crackling and popping I hear isn’t when I play music, but rather when jaws (eloquence) speaks. Sort of if you crank the music too high on speakers and you start to hear interference or distortion. I’ll keep poking around for the min processor setting and see if and when I find it, if that helps at all. I’ve already got the power profile set to high performance. I ran a troubleshoot on the PC and got some error about how a Realtech audio this or that is causing problems. Twice the audio/Jaws has gotten stuck and I’ve had to restart the system. Not exactly encouraging for a brand new system, but I’ll keep plucking away and see if there are any missing drivers I need to install via dell’s website.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alyssa
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Min processor state setting

 

That is strange. Is there a chance Dell has a settings program you need to use instead? I ask because I just got a new laptop as well, and there is a program on it called active protection system. I saw no way to remove it until I installed a manufacturer’s app. Basically in my case, when the computer was moved, the HD would momentarily stop. Annoying since I travel with mine.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:56 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Min processor state setting

 

Hello list

So, I’m trying to get to the setting within power to set the min processor state to 100%. I get to the selected power plan (in my case high performance) via control panel, hardware and sound, power options, change plan settings for the high-performance plan, change advance power settings and once in the tree view of options, and on the processor power management option, I only find system cooling policy with the option to either turn it on or off.

A little background, I recently bought a Windows 10 Dell Inspiron 5567 laptop and am not entirely satisfied with the sound quality. Jaws sounds tinny and there seems to be some crackling and popping when Jaws speaks. Audio issues don’t seem to be that uncommon for whatever reasons and one of the supposed fixes is to set the min processor state to 100%.

Anyone know how I can either get to this particular setting or if there are any other trouble shooting steps I can try to clear up this crackling/popping?

I only got this machine this past Wednesday and while I know I have a a month or so to return if I’m not completely satisfied, I’d like to see if I can resolve this on my own and avoid the hassle of going through a return and having to set another machine up from scratch.

I have already tried other steps like disabling sound effects, making sure drivers are updated, etc.

I-core 7 processor with 2.7 GHZ with boost to 3.5 GHZ. 8 GB of ram and so on.

Thanks,


Ultra Edit

Dennis Brown
 

Anyone have any tips on using Ultra Edit with Jaws?


Notifications and Action Centre

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi,

 

I was wondering if there are any tricks as far as dealing with notifications in the action centre. The other day, for example, I got a OneDrive application about a file which could not be uploaded and in the Action Centre it said to click here to view it or something like that. I can, however, not find a way to act on any of the things displayed in the Action Centre, e.g. pressing enter doesn’t seem to do anything, trying to click with the Jaws cursor doesn’t seem to work etc. Any advice regarding how this is supposed to work? Right now, for example, I have the following message in Action Centre:

Notifications from Settings

Updates were installed. Select this message to learn more.. . Received on 9:44p

How can I “select this message to learn more”?

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 


Equivalent of NVDA "Focus Highlight" Add-On for JAWS?

 

Does an equivalent of the Focus Highlight Add-On for NVDA exist for JAWS?

One of the things I have always found most difficult when tutoring JAWS is keeping track of where the JAWS cursor is relative to what I can see, and often, can't see because JAWS makes no effort to scroll the screen based upon the location of the JAWS virtual cursor.

It would be really handy for myself or any sighted assistant, or even for those who use JAWS with low vision, to have a visual indicator of what JAWS has focus on that shows in the program or webpage or dialog box, etc., that you're working with.
--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


Free JAWS Scripts Released for Accessible Digipan - PSK31 for Blind Hams!

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

Free JAWS scripts for Accessible Digipan (PSK31 for Blind Hams) has been released.  At the link below, you can download it.  Accessible Digipan is built for users of JAWS.  The installation includes everything you need: the JAWS scripts, audio tutorials, a detailed written Guide, a Quick Start Guide, and much more.  Even the installer for DigiPan is included in this one download!  Now, blind hams can finally participate in the most popular ham radio digital mode - PSK31!

 

These JAWS scripts were written by Jim "The Snowman" Snowbarger (WA0PSS).  The Snowman is a legendary JAWS scripter.  He is a retired electrical engineer and an Advanced Class ham.  These are powerful scripts.

 

On the webpage at the below link, you will also find a link to a GoFundMe page.  The purpose of the GoFundMe page is to support the continued development of adaptive technologies for the blind.  If you can, please make a donation.  Even if you cannot, then please everyone “Like” and “Share” it on Facebook, email and tweet it out to your friends and families, send it out to your ham club and help support this work in every way you can.  None of the donations benefit me personally.

 

http://accessibledigipan.org/

 

Enjoy,

Richard


Re: MS Outlook 2016

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

With Outlook 2013, Control-6 does nothing. I have to ask
stupid question. What is the Navigation Pane? I hit
Control-6, and I'm still just where I am when I press them.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alyssa
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: MS Outlook 2016

HI guys. I got a good deal on Office 2016 home and business.
I needed it too as I'm out of codes for 2010 and have been
for some time.



Anyway, Outlook is giving me trouble. I found an extensive
list of keyboard commands, but half the time they don't work
because Outlook seems to default back to settings I've
changed when closed. As an example, control 6 does not
always go to the navigation pane. Any thoughts? Tricks for
making Outlook more screen reader friendly?



Thanks.

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