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Re: SMA Notice

Adrian Spratt
 

You wouldn't be suggesting FS hasn't yet entered the 21st century, would
you? Tisk.

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On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

I looked at the online form to fill out to update my SMA. You can
fill it out online, then snail mail it to FS. What????

In light of the recent discussion about JAWS SMAs, I just received
notice by email that my SMA renewal is on its way by snail mail. I
assume many of us whose SMAs run out with JAWS 13 will be receiving the
email and/or the snail mail.

I just can't wait to spend more money!
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Re: SMA Notice

Dave...
 

Ann,

Good observation: "...fill it out online, then snail mail it to FS.
What????"

I guess they need a valid signature? Seems a strange way to do it in this
day and age of electronic signatures. And isn't there a fax number, at the
very least?

I'd just do it over the phone and get instant gratification. And save the
postage.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:23
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


I looked at the online form to fill out to update my SMA. You can
fill it out online, then snail mail it to FS. What????

In light of the recent discussion about JAWS SMAs, I just received notice
by
email that my SMA renewal is on its way by snail mail. I assume many of us
whose SMAs run out with JAWS 13 will be receiving the email and/or the
snail
mail.

I just can't wait to spend more money!
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Re: SMA Notice

Joni Colver <earlybird@...>
 

Adrian, my ticket to climb back on board the FS train was over $500. Ouch!
That was to get 13 and an SMA for 14 and 15. I learned my lesson and plan
to stay more current with SMAs from now on.

Joni

----- Original Message -----
Subject: SMA Notice


In light of the recent discussion about JAWS SMAs, I just received notice by
email that my SMA renewal is on its way by snail mail. I assume many of us
whose SMAs run out with JAWS 13 will be receiving the email and/or the snail
mail.

I just can't wait to spend more money!


Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Adrian Spratt
 

Gary,

I'm glad you clarified. It crossed my mind to be clearer this morning, but
it was early and my mind was a bit foggy.

Do you agree with this? FS should have suggested that Kimber first try the
/default switch method. If nothing changed, it would show that neither her
user settings nor third party scripts were at fault. However, if the result
had been an improvement in performance, the settings and scripts needed to
be copied to another folder and deleted from the user settings folder. Then,
as you say, the individual files could be copied back one by one to find the
culprit.

I think I'm just restating what you said, but I want to be sure. I do think
FS's proposed initial step was too drastic, causing a lot of work for many
users who would receive it and perhaps discouraging others completely.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 1:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Adrian,
The two solutions that you are comparing don't have the same purpose.
Running JFW with the /default switch just lets you test the program
temporarily with only the default settings and scripts. This helps you
determine if any settings or third-party scripts in your user settings
folder are at fault.

The other posted solution tells you what to do if the test you just ran
proves that user settings or third-party scripts are the cause of your
problem. It tells you how to get rid of them and start over with the
default settings and scripts. Backing up any third-party scripts preserves
them for placing back in the user settings folder later, preferably one at a
time if you suspect that one of them may be at fault.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: What kind of tech support is that?


Hi. I'm glad you posted FS's instructions, but I think the suggestion
Matthew posted the other day on this topic is safer and less
time-consuming.
Here's what he wrote:

I believe you should be able to simulate resetting your Jaws settings if
you
unload Jaws and then use the run dialog with Windows key R, then type
jaws13
/default This way, it will reload Jaws, but it will act like it did when
first installed. Then you can see if the problem clears up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:50 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Robert,

Here are the instructions FS sent me for deleting all settings.

To set JAWS to the defaults:

If you are using any third party scripts, back them up first.

1. Press the windows logo key to open the Start Menu.

2. Press the letter P for Programs or go to the all programs sub-menu.

3. Press the letter J till you come to the JAWS version you are looking
for
and press enter.

4. Press Enter on Explore JAWS.

5. Down arrow to explore my settings and press Enter.

6. Press control+A to select all settings then hold down the shift key and
press the delete key. If prompted, press enter on yes.

7. Restart JAWS.

On 11/3/11, Robert Logue <bobcat11@telusplanet.net> wrote: How does one
reset user dialog items to default? I could not find that in settings
center.

I wonder what happens if one deletes everything in the user folder
including
all the sub folders. Would Jaws recreate them or would this really mess it
up?

For example: PersistenceLevelInfo.ini SettingsCenter.ini Classic.SMF
PlaceMarkers File Folder PersonalizedSettings File Folder Sounds File
Folder
transient-session File Folder transient-focus File Folder

----- Original Message -----

From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Kimber,

Agree that the suggestion is nebulous, but it just underscores that they
don't have a clue, or that they can't duplicate what you're experiencing.
The latter is usually what happens to me -- their exact setup matching
mine
works just fine for them.

As to their suggestion of "resetting the JAWS user settings" all I can
think
of is either clear out all your user-defined scripts from the ENU folder
(which you only do after backing them all up somewhere), or using the
settings center and setting the user dialog items to their default values.

Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San
Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 04:01
Subject: What kind of tech support is that?

Hi All,

A week or so ago I posted to the list an issue I was having with Jaws 13
where in my braille display freezes at random times in random
applications.
I emailed FS tech support as well and here is the answer I received.

"Please try resetting your JAWS user settings. This often clears up issues
of this type."

Now maybe it's me, but what the heck kind of tech support is that? I mean
this is a brand new release and I'm reporting an issue that has never
happened in earlier releases and *that* is the answer I get?

Really FS needs to do better by its long-time customers.

Kimber


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Re: SMA Notice

Ann Byrne
 

I looked at the online form to fill out to update my SMA. You can fill it out online, then snail mail it to FS. What????

In light of the recent discussion about JAWS SMAs, I just received notice by
email that my SMA renewal is on its way by snail mail. I assume many of us
whose SMAs run out with JAWS 13 will be receiving the email and/or the snail
mail.

I just can't wait to spend more money!
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Re: SMA Notice

Dave...
 

Adrian,

Already spent my (well,, my employer's) money and purchased the SMA through
a dealer who sells access software for Cakewalk Sonar. Ka ching, Ka ching!

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:00
Subject: SMA Notice


In light of the recent discussion about JAWS SMAs, I just received notice by
email that my SMA renewal is on its way by snail mail. I assume many of us
whose SMAs run out with JAWS 13 will be receiving the email and/or the snail
mail.

I just can't wait to spend more money!
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Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Kimber Gardner
 

Hi Richard,

I don't know the answer to your question, but Freedom Scientific
might. You may want to give them a call.

1-727-803-8600.

Kim

On 11/2/11, Richard Holloway <rholloway@gopbc.org> wrote:
My daughter has been using her FS Focus 40 BT in uncontracted braille mode
with Jaws 11 for quite a while, but she had use one before in contracted
mode. I believe she said it always displays contracted but she has to type
uncontracted. I actually didn't realize the keyboard was running
uncontracted as she flies along pretty quickly and it looks the same to
confused sighted parents like myself trying to keep track of our
braille-using kids.

Can someone tell me how to toggle between contracted and uncontracted (grade
2 / grade 1) please? I suspect it is a simple keystroke, but I'm not finding
the solution in the print manual, nor does my third grader see it in the
braille version. (She's actually often able to find things like this for
herself.)

Thanks so much for any help with this.
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Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Kimber Gardner
 

Just to follow-up, removing the user settings did not solve the problem.

K

On 11/3/11, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Adrian,
The two solutions that you are comparing don't have the same purpose.
Running JFW with the /default switch just lets you test the program
temporarily with only the default settings and scripts. This helps you
determine if any settings or third-party scripts in your user settings
folder are at fault.

The other posted solution tells you what to do if the test you just ran
proves that user settings or third-party scripts are the cause of your
problem. It tells you how to get rid of them and start over with the
default settings and scripts. Backing up any third-party scripts preserves
them for placing back in the user settings folder later, preferably one at a
time if you suspect that one of them may be at fault.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: What kind of tech support is that?


Hi. I'm glad you posted FS's instructions, but I think the suggestion
Matthew posted the other day on this topic is safer and less
time-consuming.
Here's what he wrote:

I believe you should be able to simulate resetting your Jaws settings if
you
unload Jaws and then use the run dialog with Windows key R, then type
jaws13
/default This way, it will reload Jaws, but it will act like it did when
first installed. Then you can see if the problem clears up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:50 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Robert,

Here are the instructions FS sent me for deleting all settings.

To set JAWS to the defaults:

If you are using any third party scripts, back them up first.

1. Press the windows logo key to open the Start Menu.

2. Press the letter P for Programs or go to the all programs sub-menu.

3. Press the letter J till you come to the JAWS version you are looking
for
and press enter.

4. Press Enter on Explore JAWS.

5. Down arrow to explore my settings and press Enter.

6. Press control+A to select all settings then hold down the shift key and
press the delete key. If prompted, press enter on yes.

7. Restart JAWS.

On 11/3/11, Robert Logue <bobcat11@telusplanet.net> wrote: How does one
reset user dialog items to default? I could not find that in settings
center.

I wonder what happens if one deletes everything in the user folder
including
all the sub folders. Would Jaws recreate them or would this really mess it
up?

For example: PersistenceLevelInfo.ini SettingsCenter.ini Classic.SMF
PlaceMarkers File Folder PersonalizedSettings File Folder Sounds File
Folder
transient-session File Folder transient-focus File Folder

----- Original Message -----

From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Kimber,

Agree that the suggestion is nebulous, but it just underscores that they
don't have a clue, or that they can't duplicate what you're experiencing.
The latter is usually what happens to me -- their exact setup matching
mine
works just fine for them.

As to their suggestion of "resetting the JAWS user settings" all I can
think
of is either clear out all your user-defined scripts from the ENU folder
(which you only do after backing them all up somewhere), or using the
settings center and setting the user dialog items to their default values.

Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San
Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 04:01
Subject: What kind of tech support is that?

Hi All,

A week or so ago I posted to the list an issue I was having with Jaws 13
where in my braille display freezes at random times in random
applications.
I emailed FS tech support as well and here is the answer I received.

"Please try resetting your JAWS user settings. This often clears up issues
of this type."

Now maybe it's me, but what the heck kind of tech support is that? I mean
this is a brand new release and I'm reporting an issue that has never
happened in earlier releases and *that* is the answer I get?

Really FS needs to do better by its long-time customers.

Kimber


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Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Gary King
 

Adrian,
The two solutions that you are comparing don't have the same purpose. Running JFW with the /default switch just lets you test the program temporarily with only the default settings and scripts. This helps you determine if any settings or third-party scripts in your user settings folder are at fault.

The other posted solution tells you what to do if the test you just ran proves that user settings or third-party scripts are the cause of your problem. It tells you how to get rid of them and start over with the default settings and scripts. Backing up any third-party scripts preserves them for placing back in the user settings folder later, preferably one at a time if you suspect that one of them may be at fault.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: What kind of tech support is that?


Hi. I'm glad you posted FS's instructions, but I think the suggestion
Matthew posted the other day on this topic is safer and less time-consuming.
Here's what he wrote:

I believe you should be able to simulate resetting your Jaws settings if you
unload Jaws and then use the run dialog with Windows key R, then type jaws13
/default This way, it will reload Jaws, but it will act like it did when
first installed. Then you can see if the problem clears up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:50 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Robert,

Here are the instructions FS sent me for deleting all settings.

To set JAWS to the defaults:

If you are using any third party scripts, back them up first.

1. Press the windows logo key to open the Start Menu.

2. Press the letter P for Programs or go to the all programs sub-menu.

3. Press the letter J till you come to the JAWS version you are looking for
and press enter.

4. Press Enter on Explore JAWS.

5. Down arrow to explore my settings and press Enter.

6. Press control+A to select all settings then hold down the shift key and
press the delete key. If prompted, press enter on yes.

7. Restart JAWS.

On 11/3/11, Robert Logue <bobcat11@telusplanet.net> wrote: How does one
reset user dialog items to default? I could not find that in settings
center.

I wonder what happens if one deletes everything in the user folder including
all the sub folders. Would Jaws recreate them or would this really mess it
up?

For example: PersistenceLevelInfo.ini SettingsCenter.ini Classic.SMF
PlaceMarkers File Folder PersonalizedSettings File Folder Sounds File Folder
transient-session File Folder transient-focus File Folder

----- Original Message -----

From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Kimber,

Agree that the suggestion is nebulous, but it just underscores that they
don't have a clue, or that they can't duplicate what you're experiencing.
The latter is usually what happens to me -- their exact setup matching mine
works just fine for them.

As to their suggestion of "resetting the JAWS user settings" all I can think
of is either clear out all your user-defined scripts from the ENU folder
(which you only do after backing them all up somewhere), or using the
settings center and setting the user dialog items to their default values.

Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 04:01
Subject: What kind of tech support is that?

Hi All,

A week or so ago I posted to the list an issue I was having with Jaws 13
where in my braille display freezes at random times in random applications.
I emailed FS tech support as well and here is the answer I received.

"Please try resetting your JAWS user settings. This often clears up issues
of this type."

Now maybe it's me, but what the heck kind of tech support is that? I mean
this is a brand new release and I'm reporting an issue that has never
happened in earlier releases and *that* is the answer I get?

Really FS needs to do better by its long-time customers.

Kimber


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SMA Notice

Adrian Spratt
 

In light of the recent discussion about JAWS SMAs, I just received notice by
email that my SMA renewal is on its way by snail mail. I assume many of us
whose SMAs run out with JAWS 13 will be receiving the email and/or the snail
mail.

I just can't wait to spend more money!
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Re: Beyond Text medical transcription software

Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@...>
 

Hi Brian,
Would you have a link that I could test your platform with Jaws? Must you use IE or is Firefox an option?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <bvarner05@comcast.net>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: Beyond Text medical transcription software


Hi Joni,

Thanks for responding. I was previously using ChartNet for medical
transcription. The company I was working for lost the account and 20 or so
people were laid off. The hospital was acquired by another health care
group who uses a different medical transcription service, and another
platform. Since I've been on these accounts for 6 years, I was hired by the
new company. I am being trained to do both straight transcription work and
speech recognition editing. I'm struggling with parts that require mouse
clicking, but starting to make progress. I updated to JAWS 13 and the
latest version of Magic Pro this week. I'm at best, a bad JAWS user so I'm
reviewing some help files on keyboard commands. Beyond Text is partly an IE
based program with a separate application called T2K which I just used
successfully today for the first time with the help of the trainer over the
phone. Of course, she isn't used to training someone who uses JAWS so our
terminology isn't always the same. We are both relatively new to this new
company. I'm brand new and she's had 8 weeks on the job. In Beyond Text,
there are a "plethora" of dialogue boxes. Each one has it' sown set of
keyboard shortcuts specific to it. One uses "alt-a" to add a doc's name to
a cc list, even though this is the command for opening up the Favorites menu
on the IE tool bar. In the manual, it sates "do not open Favorites or it
will close Beyond text." Of course when I used "alt-a" Beyond text shut
down. While this is an obvious keyboard conflict, alt-a seems to work for
my trainer on her computer and she hasn't heard of anyone else having this
problem. A friend of mine who is a programmer said he couldn't find any
information on disabling this keyboard shortcut in Internet Explorer.
There's an add button that I am not sure works right now, but will find out
today and report back.

By the way, I use Outlook Express and don't know how to search through the
body of the email to find things, so any help on that would be appreciated
too.

Thanks,
Brian



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Re: smaRe: jaws 13:

Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@...>
 

Thanks, I will request that FS contact via email rather than USPO.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: smaRe: jaws 13:


Yes, it costs extra, in the neighborhood of $150-$200, as I recall. The
price depends on whether you purchased the standard or pro edition of JAWS.
The SMA entitles you to two JAWS upgrades, typically occurring over the
course of two years, and free tech support during that time. You would need
to obtain it before the next upgrade, or else you'll end up paying much more
for that upgrade, so you may wish to contact FS soon.

I don't endorse the practice or the price. I'm just reporting FS's terms.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of joe@stintononline.demon.co.uk
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 4:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: smaRe: jaws 13:

hi all

I brought jaws 12 a while ago and no one said any thing to me about m s a
is this some thing thats put on it or is it a extra u have to pay for.
I got my copy from freadem scientific.

cheers Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Marie Medlar
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 5:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 13:

Just wondering my SMA ran out with 13, will I be notified by FS soon?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harmony Neil" <harmony.neil@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 13:


No. If you had waited until 13 was released, you would have had to buy a
whole new jaws at full price.

On 30/10/2011, at 4:48 PM, "Kenny Peyatt" <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:

I updated my authorization for the next 2 versions of jaws back in march.
Do
I still need to reset my authorization?

Kenny Peyatt

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Re: not good

Mike Mote <mikemote@...>
 

If i could I will add one more thing. If you tell recruiters or the prospective employer you are blind before you get the interview, you won't get the interview. It's discrimination, but there's no way to prove it. Just sayin!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cowle, Jodi" <JCowle@cityofmadison.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: not good


This is a real issue, because there are no guarantees that JAWS or any screen reader will work with a company/agency's software; and in these poor economic times employers want guarantees before they'll hire. I will not go into my situation as I know I'm walking the line here, but lists like this are so important as we can share and learn and hopefully get some ideas about where we can fit in this world where everywhere we go we must face some computer application and figure out how to make it work for us.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: not good

Lol, eh? Doesn't sound at all funny to me. Times are tough these days even
for those of us with good jobs, so I can empathize with people who are
living from paycheck to paycheck or who are out of work and within a hair's
breadth of living on the streets. That's no laughing matter for sighted
folks and it sure isn't funny for blind guys. I'll grant you that this
isn't a chat room but you've got no call to dismiss this guy's plight in
such a flippant manner. Shame on you!

Tom

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: not good


Here we go again with the jaws chat room...lol

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of hannah day
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 09:59
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: not good

Hi Brian and all

Aw no sorry to hear that i hope things improve chat soon hanah


Hannah Day
E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009@googlemail.com
MSN hannahday1989@hotmail.co.uk
Skype: hannahday

On 01/11/2011 16:56, Brian wrote:
Hi All. This new job doesn't seem to be working out. They've scheduled
a
phone call tomorrow. They sent me a copy of our original accommodations
letter which doesn't state that they'll do whatever they can to
accomodate
me, even if it means paying for a JAWS script to make their platform
accessible. I told them over the phone that I wouldn't know if I could
do
the work until they installed the software and gave it a try but who
cares.
If I didn't write that out in legal language it doesn't count. The new
JAWS
13 seems to have brought new issues with it in some cases so it's hard to
know who to blame, as if assigning blame would help at this point.

My stomach is in knots. I hope I'm not screwed but until that hopey
changey
stuff kicks in, reckon I'll be living in a cardboard box on the street.




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Re: not good

soner
 

İf people share their Jaws related issues including those ones in their workplaces, could İ learn what is wrong in it? if no conversation should not occur or be labled as chatting, what was your aim at creating this list?
Regards


Re: not good

Cowle, Jodi <JCowle@...>
 

This is a real issue, because there are no guarantees that JAWS or any screen reader will work with a company/agency's software; and in these poor economic times employers want guarantees before they'll hire. I will not go into my situation as I know I'm walking the line here, but lists like this are so important as we can share and learn and hopefully get some ideas about where we can fit in this world where everywhere we go we must face some computer application and figure out how to make it work for us.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: not good

Lol, eh? Doesn't sound at all funny to me. Times are tough these days even
for those of us with good jobs, so I can empathize with people who are
living from paycheck to paycheck or who are out of work and within a hair's
breadth of living on the streets. That's no laughing matter for sighted
folks and it sure isn't funny for blind guys. I'll grant you that this
isn't a chat room but you've got no call to dismiss this guy's plight in
such a flippant manner. Shame on you!

Tom

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: not good


Here we go again with the jaws chat room...lol

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of hannah day
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 09:59
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: not good

Hi Brian and all

Aw no sorry to hear that i hope things improve chat soon hanah


Hannah Day
E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009@googlemail.com
MSN hannahday1989@hotmail.co.uk
Skype: hannahday

On 01/11/2011 16:56, Brian wrote:
Hi All. This new job doesn't seem to be working out. They've scheduled
a
phone call tomorrow. They sent me a copy of our original accommodations
letter which doesn't state that they'll do whatever they can to
accomodate
me, even if it means paying for a JAWS script to make their platform
accessible. I told them over the phone that I wouldn't know if I could
do
the work until they installed the software and gave it a try but who
cares.
If I didn't write that out in legal language it doesn't count. The new
JAWS
13 seems to have brought new issues with it in some cases so it's hard to
know who to blame, as if assigning blame would help at this point.

My stomach is in knots. I hope I'm not screwed but until that hopey
changey
stuff kicks in, reckon I'll be living in a cardboard box on the street.




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Re: copying text from a web page

Joni Colver <earlybird@...>
 

Thanks Mike. I knew I had heard of paste special, but could not figure out
how to do it while troubleshooting my issue. I will save this clear
description for future reference.

Joni

----- Original Message -----

Hi Joni,

Below is a different way to achieve the same goal.
Try the following to remove html formatting from source material copied from
web based resources.
1. Highlight the text you want to copy.



2. Copy it to the windows clipboard with CTRL+C.



3. Return to your open document.



4. When you get to the place you want to insert your copied material press

alt+E.



5. Up-arrow until you hear Jaws say "paste special...."



6. Press enter and up-arrow until you hear Jaws say "paste as unformatted

text" and press enter.

This will remove all of the HTML formatting from your copied material and

insert it into your document.

Be advised that your cursor will be at the bottom of the inserted material

and you will need to use the appropriate reading commands to get to the

beginning of your text.



I use the above steps with XP, Word 2002, & all versions of Jaws. I haven't
tried it on my Windows7 system, yet!


Re: copying text from a web page

Mike & Barbara in Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Joni,

Below is a different way to achieve the same goal.
Try the following to remove html formatting from source material copied from
web based resources.
1. Highlight the text you want to copy.



2. Copy it to the windows clipboard with CTRL+C.



3. Return to your open document.



4. When you get to the place you want to insert your copied material press

alt+E.



5. Up-arrow until you hear Jaws say "paste special...."



6. Press enter and up-arrow until you hear Jaws say "paste as unformatted

text" and press enter.

This will remove all of the HTML formatting from your copied material and

insert it into your document.

Be advised that your cursor will be at the bottom of the inserted material

and you will need to use the appropriate reading commands to get to the

beginning of your text.



I use the above steps with XP, Word 2002, & all versions of Jaws. I haven't
tried it on my Windows7 system, yet!

Hope this helps. Take care.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Scrimenti
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: copying text from a web page


By the way, this also works in Jaws 11.
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From: "Joni Colver" <earlybird@tampabay.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: copying text from a web page


>I should add that I think this insert v dialog option may have changed in
> JAWS 13. I read a little about new features, but can't remember
specifics
> now and have not yet used JAWS 13. My experience I described is with
JAWS
> 12. I will be venturing into JAWS 13 soon.
>
> Joni
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joni Colver" <earlybird@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: copying text from a web page
>
>
> I was having trouble copying from web pages also with JAWS 12. Someone
on
> another list told me to try changing something in the adjust JAWS
options
> dialog while in Internet Explorer.
>
>
>
> I hit insert v and then arrowed down a few times to virtual cursor
> options.
>
>
>
> The first item said select and copy full content using on screen
> highlight.
> I pressed the spacebar to toggle it to say select and copy from virtual
> cursor. I then hit alt c to close the dialog. So far the setting has
> stuck
> for me and it copies and pastes plain text into Word, without all of the
> links and headings. It was a nice simple solution once I knew about it.
>
>
>
> Joni
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian" <bvarner05@comcast.net>
> To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:08 AM
> Subject: copying text from a web page
>
>
> When I want to copy text off a web page, I select the text, use ctrl-c,
> then
> paste it into notepad. this gets rid of all html (I think) and you get
> plain text you can copy into Word or elsewhere. I used to do this for
> medical transcription, especially drug names, then found that the
medical
> transcription software (ChartNet) pasted the html coding asociated with
> the
> drug name instead of the plain text of the drug name. ChartNet is based
> on
> Word so that might be why the html stuff was showing up instead of plain
> text.
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Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi. I'm glad you posted FS's instructions, but I think the suggestion
Matthew posted the other day on this topic is safer and less time-consuming.
Here's what he wrote:

I believe you should be able to simulate resetting your Jaws settings if you
unload Jaws and then use the run dialog with Windows key R, then type jaws13
/default This way, it will reload Jaws, but it will act like it did when
first installed. Then you can see if the problem clears up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:50 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Robert,

Here are the instructions FS sent me for deleting all settings.

To set JAWS to the defaults:

If you are using any third party scripts, back them up first.

1. Press the windows logo key to open the Start Menu.

2. Press the letter P for Programs or go to the all programs sub-menu.

3. Press the letter J till you come to the JAWS version you are looking for
and press enter.

4. Press Enter on Explore JAWS.

5. Down arrow to explore my settings and press Enter.

6. Press control+A to select all settings then hold down the shift key and
press the delete key. If prompted, press enter on yes.

7. Restart JAWS.

On 11/3/11, Robert Logue <bobcat11@telusplanet.net> wrote: How does one
reset user dialog items to default? I could not find that in settings
center.

I wonder what happens if one deletes everything in the user folder including
all the sub folders. Would Jaws recreate them or would this really mess it
up?

For example: PersistenceLevelInfo.ini SettingsCenter.ini Classic.SMF
PlaceMarkers File Folder PersonalizedSettings File Folder Sounds File Folder
transient-session File Folder transient-focus File Folder

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From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Kimber,

Agree that the suggestion is nebulous, but it just underscores that they
don't have a clue, or that they can't duplicate what you're experiencing.
The latter is usually what happens to me -- their exact setup matching mine
works just fine for them.

As to their suggestion of "resetting the JAWS user settings" all I can think
of is either clear out all your user-defined scripts from the ENU folder
(which you only do after backing them all up somewhere), or using the
settings center and setting the user dialog items to their default values.

Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
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From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 04:01
Subject: What kind of tech support is that?

Hi All,

A week or so ago I posted to the list an issue I was having with Jaws 13
where in my braille display freezes at random times in random applications.
I emailed FS tech support as well and here is the answer I received.

"Please try resetting your JAWS user settings. This often clears up issues
of this type."

Now maybe it's me, but what the heck kind of tech support is that? I mean
this is a brand new release and I'm reporting an issue that has never
happened in earlier releases and *that* is the answer I get?

Really FS needs to do better by its long-time customers.

Kimber


Re: What kind of tech support is that?

Kimber Gardner
 

Robert,

Here are the instructions FS sent me for deleting all settings.

To set JAWS to the defaults:

If you are using any third party scripts, back them up first.

1. Press the windows logo key to open the Start Menu.

2. Press the letter P for Programs or go to the all programs sub-menu.

3. Press the letter J till you come to the JAWS version you are
looking for and press enter.

4. Press Enter on Explore JAWS.

5. Down arrow to explore my settings and press Enter.

6. Press control+A to select all settings then hold down the shift key
and press the delete key. If prompted, press enter on yes.

7. Restart JAWS.

On 11/3/11, Robert Logue <bobcat11@telusplanet.net> wrote:
How does one reset user dialog items to default? I could not find that in
settings center.

I wonder what happens if one deletes everything in the user folder including
all the sub folders. Would Jaws recreate them or would this really mess it
up?

For example:
PersistenceLevelInfo.ini
SettingsCenter.ini
Classic.SMF
PlaceMarkers File Folder
PersonalizedSettings File Folder
Sounds File Folder
transient-session File Folder
transient-focus File Folder




----- Original Message -----






From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: What kind of tech support is that?


Kimber,

Agree that the suggestion is nebulous, but it just underscores that they
don't have a clue, or that they can't duplicate what you're experiencing.
The latter is usually what happens to me -- their exact setup matching
mine
works just fine for them.

As to their suggestion of "resetting the JAWS user settings" all I can
think
of is either clear out all your user-defined scripts from the ENU folder
(which you only do after backing them all up somewhere), or using the
settings center and setting the user dialog items to their default values.


Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 04:01
Subject: What kind of tech support is that?


Hi All,

A week or so ago I posted to the list an issue I was having with Jaws
13 where in my braille display freezes at random times in random
applications. I emailed FS tech support as well and here is the answer
I received.

"Please try resetting your JAWS user settings. This often clears up
issues of this type."

Now maybe it's me, but what the heck kind of tech support is that? I
mean this is a brand new release and I'm reporting an issue that has
never happened in earlier releases and *that* is the answer I get?

Really FS needs to do better by its long-time customers.

Kimber

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Re: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Adrian Spratt
 

Hamid, I'm copying below most of a ten-day-old thread that I believe
addresses your question.

On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

You can add symbols by editing the *.sbl files in your jaws profile
directory (either your personal user profile or the all users pdirectory)

For example, I have added the following to my c:\Users\All Users\Freedom
Scientific\Jaws\13.0\Settings\enu\eloq.sbl:

Symbol138=U+3A3=Cap Sigma
symbol139=u+03c3 11111111 small sigma
Symbol140=U+00FB 11111111 Checkmark

to the American English section.

And now jaws speaks those particular characters. Note that after editing the
.spl file you have to restart jaws, it does not pick up the changes
automatically. Also, in order to edit the shared profile, you either need to
change the security permissions on the files or run your editor as
administrator.

I learned of this after asking FS basically the same question.

On 9/27/11, Zaheer Sheikh <cybergeek2020@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Mike,

I use alt+251 to insert the Square Root symbol. As you already mentioned,
jaws will read it as letter "v". You can add the Square Root symbol in the
default dictionary manager, and then jaws will read it correctly.

This is how I did it:

1. Open notepad.
2. Press ALT+251, this will insert the Square Root symbol.
3. Note that Jaws will read the Square Root symbol as letter "V".
4. Select and copy the symbol without any spaces.
5. Open the Jaws default dictionary manager from the Jaws utilities
submenu.
6. Select the Add button to add new entry in the Dictionary.
6. Paste the symbol in the "Actual word" edit box.
7. Type "Square Root" in the "Replacement word" edit box.
8. Tab to OK.

Hope this helps,

Zaheer Sheikh

On 9/27/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote: Mike,

I don't have a definite answer, but here are three possibilities to explore:

1. Add 0 before the 251 code. Thus 0251

2. In the past, some listers came to the conclusion that the process you
describe produces not ASCII, but ANSI code. I've just now been looking
around the Net for an ANSI codes list, but I couldn't find an accessible one
quickly. It might be worth a try.

3. I may be reading this wrong, but an ASCII table I just looked at
indicates that the ASCII code for square root isn't 251, but 252.

Let us know if you find an answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Hi Dave;

The ascii code for the checkmark / square root symbol is supposed to be, Alt

+ 251, but when this ascii symbol is typed inserted, Jaws reads the
+ letter,
V. I am assuming this is because, possibly anyways, that the checkmark /
square root symbol resembles the letter, V. What do you think? Also, I as of
yet, have found no way to add extra symbols to the symbols list, i.e.,
Insert + 4 on the number row. Thank you very much for your reply. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar on Laptop
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Mike,

You know about the Insert+4 symbols list, I'm sure. However it does not have
these in the list. I'd sure like to find out how to add symbols to this
list.

Other than that, you'll need to find out the ASCII character code or
graphical code equivalent to these and use the numpad to enter them. Hold
down Alt and type the numbers from the numpad to insert special characters.

Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.

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From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:30
Subject: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

How do I type a checkmark / square root symbol using Jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:10 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi all,

I have found out that some special symbols within a text are completely
ignored by jaws. I am meaning those that are not among the usual
punctuations. For instance, some mathematical symbols like times, which
looks like a cross, meaning multiplication, is correctly announced by Jaws.
However, another symbol which represents proportionality [∝] is completely
ignored by jaws. I could define a dictionary entry for such symbols. But I
am just wondering if there is a more elegant way to define how to announce a
symbol for jaws. Any idea is welcome!

Cheers,

Hamid