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Re: V 18 disapointment

Dave...
 


Best advice. Call them. 1-800-444-4443
 
Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 05:50 PM
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

I have Jaws 17 home edition with no sma’s.
 
I want
to purchase Jaws18.  Will this just cost me around $60.00 or do I have to purchase the sma?
 
Basically, what is the least amount that it will cost me if all I want is J18 home edition for just right now.
 
Thank you,
 
James Bentley
 
 
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment
 

And if you’re running the home version which I would venture to guess that most  of us are, you’re talking something like $5.00 a month  if you break it down.

I’m not particularly happy with  this upgrade that ate up my last SMA, but Jaws has made a huge difference for me. Especially with the increased multi-lingual support. $5.00 a month is a Pandora subscription or  one less  Starbucks/Jamba  Juice  run a month. Even  the Pro version which I had for  many years before downgrading still was tolerable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several upgrades later.

 

From: Alan Robbins

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: V 18 disappointment

Tom Behler
 

Lauren:

 

I’m really disappointed to hear that you see no improvements in Jaws 18 with regard to Outlook 2016.

 

I, too, have no more SMA’s after Jaws 18.

 

For these and other reasons, the idea of switching to a Mac for my next computer has crossed my mind more than once!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lauren Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disappointment

 

Hi,

 

I was hoping for much more from Jaws 18 especially in regards to Outlook 2016. I can’t see any difference.

 

I think given I have no more SMAs and can’t afford the price of the next release, when my laptop ages some more, I may switch to a Mac as you don’t have to pay for accessibility.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

And if you’re running the home version which I would venture to guess that most  of us are, you’re talking something like $5.00 a month  if you break it down.

I’m not particularly happy with  this upgrade that ate up my last SMA, but Jaws has made a huge difference for me. Especially with the increased multi-lingual support. $5.00 a month is a Pandora subscription or  one less  Starbucks/Jamba  Juice  run a month. Even  the Pro version which I had for  many years before downgrading still was tolerable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several upgrades later.

 

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Another excel question: how to autofill a column

Ann Byrne
 

The starter keystroke for fill in series is alt+h, then f, i, s. You have to select the cells you want to fill, including the one that starts the series. the cells other than the first one must be blank.

Tabbing through the resultant dialog box:
step value is 1 (or however many days you want).
columns, not rows.
where it says linear, arrow down to date.
The next box says day, week, etc.

Once you have chosen all those things, tab to okay and you're in business.

good luck!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Ah, another veteran. It was my first one, and I guess that makes it special. You couldn't lock in your speech preferences, but you could batch them. I think I put a line in autoexec. And who can forget that peerless rendition of Bicycle Built for Two--Mitch Miller, eat your heart out! And, of course, if u ramped the pitch up to 9, you got a really credible Julia Childs impersonation. Okay, enough of this, as most won't know what the Sam Hill we're talking about. Thanks, Gudrun.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I actually liked Votrax. It brings back fond memories. It was at that time the clearest sounding synthesizer, I think. I like how unassuming it seemed in its approach... Cheers,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

That Cadillac must have been the stand-alone DecTalk. It was good, but it should have been. The old Votrax plug-in board had its own little demo--pretty entertaining the first 500 times. That board could do a lot, and had customizable pronunciation. Trouble was the pronunciation exceptions could not port over to the screenreader. For 5 and a half years, I was known as Teddy Daavid Lissle. Actually David had a short a, not a broad one, but I can't reproduce it. Lisle (pronounced Lile) I can understand, JAWS needs help on that too, but David?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove eloquence, is because it will become less appealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

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Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: "Find" command and upgrading Jaws

Elaine Young <hidden_spring@...>
 

That works! Thanks! Just the info I needed!

On 11/1/2016 9:01 PM, Marquette, Ed wrote:
You can repeat the find command simply by pressing shift and the F4 key.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Elaine Young <hidden_spring@juno.com> wrote:
Hi,

I am still on the elementary level of using Jaws and find this thread interesting. Thanks to all of you I now know the alternative ways to get to "find". But unless I am missing something, the benefit of using control plus f is that is the only "find" that locates all the words in the document that you are looking for and enables you to go from one to the next one. Is that correct? Or is there a way to travel through the selections when using the other two ways to go to find?


I am using Windows 10 and Jaws 17.


Also it was my understanding that if you wanted to upgrade through several versions of Jaws, the maximum FS would charge you is $400. But according to what some of you are saying, my information must be incorrect????


Elaine


On 11/1/2016 11:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Thanks, I agree that Control+H with Alt+D gets you where you want to be.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word


How about using control+ h followed by alt + D?
I have not used control + f for "find" in Word since Word 2003.
The two keystroke approach (above) gives one the nice find feature of Word 2003, not the awkward "find" feature with control + f.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Sandoval
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word

I am seeing this as well.
Office 365, Windows 10, and of course JFW 18

On Nov 1, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Steve Griffiths <steve.griffiths@guidedogs.org.uk> wrote:

A few people have commented that JAWS 18 doesn't work well with the Find feature in Word on their computer. Here is how it was originally put:

Start snippet:
Using Word 2010 and Jaws 18 I can no longer use Ctrl-F to activate the find command in a document. It appears to allow one search then nothing happens.
I can still access find using Alt-H, f, d but that is a bit tedious!!
When I stop Jaws 18 and start Jaws 17 the problem goes away and I can use Ctrl-F no problem.
End snippet:

I and at least one other person find the same in Word 2016. Anyone else finding this?

Thanks,
Steve




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Re: V 18 disapointment

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

James, it's $60 only if you have an SMA. Call FS and they will tell you what it will cost you without the SMA.

Les

On Nov 1, 2016 8:50 PM, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...> wrote:
I have Jaws 17 home edition with no sma’s.
 
I want
to purchase Jaws18.  Will this just cost me around $60.00 or do I have to purchase the sma?
 
Basically, what is the least amount that it will cost me if all I want is J18 home edition for just right now.
 
Thank you,
 
James Bentley
 
 
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment
 

And if you’re running the home version which I would venture to guess that most  of us are, you’re talking something like $5.00 a month  if you break it down.

I’m not particularly happy with  this upgrade that ate up my last SMA, but Jaws has made a huge difference for me. Especially with the increased multi-lingual support. $5.00 a month is a Pandora subscription or  one less  Starbucks/Jamba  Juice  run a month. Even  the Pro version which I had for  many years before downgrading still was tolerable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several upgrades later.

 

From: Alan Robbins

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Another excel question: how to autofill a column

Kimber Gardner
 

At least I think that's what I want to do.

I have several columns on my spreadsheet where I want to repeat a
certain pattern or formula. For example, I want to replicate the date
in the first column beginning with 11/01/2016 and continuing through
04/01/2017. But I don't want to type in all these dates. Googling
produces instructions for accomplishing this task with the mouse but
nothing with keystrokes.

In another column I have a formula that will change slightly depending
on the coordinates of the cells being calculated even though the
pattern of the formula stays the same. Is it possible to replicate the
formula in the same way as I am doing with the dates?

I hope these questions are clear.

Thanks in advance for the help.


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Re: V 18 disappointment

Lauren Snyder
 

Hi,

 

I was hoping for much more from Jaws 18 especially in regards to Outlook 2016. I can’t see any difference.

 

I think given I have no more SMAs and can’t afford the price of the next release, when my laptop ages some more, I may switch to a Mac as you don’t have to pay for accessibility.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

And if you’re running the home version which I would venture to guess that most  of us are, you’re talking something like $5.00 a month  if you break it down.

I’m not particularly happy with  this upgrade that ate up my last SMA, but Jaws has made a huge difference for me. Especially with the increased multi-lingual support. $5.00 a month is a Pandora subscription or  one less  Starbucks/Jamba  Juice  run a month. Even  the Pro version which I had for  many years before downgrading still was tolerable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several upgrades later.

 

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: V 18 disapointment

soner
 

sorry for the typo, I meant, "my other cheek to be smacked."

On 11/2/16, soner <soner.boun@gmail.com> wrote:
Guess that you should call the FS sales department for the inquiry,
which I am sure would be answered with plesure.

Previously, a lister used the term "bashing", which I am highly
skeptical if what I do is so on behalf of myself. Yet, I can tell you
that I am being highly anoyed by the banality of being forced to have
a politically correct discourse within the blindness community in line
with the general global tendency of course, and every opposing
statement being labled as bashing.
İf the king is naked, we should utter that cold reality right in
front of us, rather than trying to pretend keeping the majesty's
non-existing cloak. Thus, if FS in my view has got nearly an abusive
stance in its software version/SMA policies, I would not personally
turn the my cheek to be macked. Would you?

Lastly, if 5USD are a disposable amount for you a month, grant it to a
cherity organization instead, so that at least you would be doing
something conscientious at your scale for the needy.

Thank you

On 11/2/16, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@att.net> wrote:
I have Jaws 17 home edition with no sma’s.

I want to purchase Jaws18. Will this just cost me around $60.00 or do I
have to purchase the sma?

Basically, what is the least amount that it will cost me if all I want is
J18 home edition for just right now.

Thank you,

James Bentley


From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

And if you’re running the home version which I would venture to guess
that
most of us are, you’re talking something like $5.00 a month if you
break
it down.

I’m not particularly happy with this upgrade that ate up my last SMA,
but
Jaws has made a huge difference for me. Especially with the increased
multi-lingual support. $5.00 a month is a Pandora subscription or one
less
Starbucks/Jamba Juice run a month. Even the Pro version which I had
for
many years before downgrading still was tolerable.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Stott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment



This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several
upgrades later.



From: Alan Robbins

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment



Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to
upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is
going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald
<richardbmcdonald@gmail.com>
wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows
7.
Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of
either JAWS or Windows since these versions. Most of the so-called
"improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not
work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all
along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as
others
have commented. What a racket indeed : (



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew
Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment



I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed!
Doesn’t
sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t
upgrade
anytime soon!



Re: V 18 disapointment

soner
 

Guess that you should call the FS sales department for the inquiry,
which I am sure would be answered with plesure.

Previously, a lister used the term "bashing", which I am highly
skeptical if what I do is so on behalf of myself. Yet, I can tell you
that I am being highly anoyed by the banality of being forced to have
a politically correct discourse within the blindness community in line
with the general global tendency of course, and every opposing
statement being labled as bashing.
İf the king is naked, we should utter that cold reality right in
front of us, rather than trying to pretend keeping the majesty's
non-existing cloak. Thus, if FS in my view has got nearly an abusive
stance in its software version/SMA policies, I would not personally
turn the my cheek to be macked. Would you?

Lastly, if 5USD are a disposable amount for you a month, grant it to a
cherity organization instead, so that at least you would be doing
something conscientious at your scale for the needy.

Thank you

On 11/2/16, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@att.net> wrote:
I have Jaws 17 home edition with no sma’s.

I want to purchase Jaws18. Will this just cost me around $60.00 or do I
have to purchase the sma?

Basically, what is the least amount that it will cost me if all I want is
J18 home edition for just right now.

Thank you,

James Bentley


From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

And if you’re running the home version which I would venture to guess that
most of us are, you’re talking something like $5.00 a month if you break
it down.

I’m not particularly happy with this upgrade that ate up my last SMA, but
Jaws has made a huge difference for me. Especially with the increased
multi-lingual support. $5.00 a month is a Pandora subscription or one less
Starbucks/Jamba Juice run a month. Even the Pro version which I had for
many years before downgrading still was tolerable.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Stott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment



This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several
upgrades later.



From: Alan Robbins

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment



Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to
upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is
going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com>
wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.
Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of
either JAWS or Windows since these versions. Most of the so-called
"improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not
work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all
along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others
have commented. What a racket indeed : (



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew
Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment



I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t
sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade
anytime soon!



Re: Tablet mode

Steve Griffiths
 

If this is Windows 10, try Windows + A for the action centre, then Tab to the tablet mode option and Space to toggle it off.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of thomas williams
Sent: 02 November 2016 09:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Tablet mode

I have accidentally, switch my computer to tablet mode, how do I switch it back to desktop? Thanks in advance






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Tablet mode

thomas williams
 

I have accidentally, switch my computer to tablet mode, how do I switch it back to desktop? Thanks in advance


Re: V 18 disapointment

James Bentley
 

I have Jaws 17 home edition with no sma’s.
 
I want
to purchase Jaws18.  Will this just cost me around $60.00 or do I have to purchase the sma?
 
Basically, what is the least amount that it will cost me if all I want is J18 home edition for just right now.
 
Thank you,
 
James Bentley
 
 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment
 

And if you’re running the home version which I would venture to guess that most  of us are, you’re talking something like $5.00 a month  if you break it down.

I’m not particularly happy with  this upgrade that ate up my last SMA, but Jaws has made a huge difference for me. Especially with the increased multi-lingual support. $5.00 a month is a Pandora subscription or  one less  Starbucks/Jamba  Juice  run a month. Even  the Pro version which I had for  many years before downgrading still was tolerable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several upgrades later.

 

From: Alan Robbins

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: How to delete a range of cells in excel 2013

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

Are they all together or spred throughout the sheet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: November 1, 2016 08:11
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to delete a range of cells in excel 2013

Hi all,

I have an excel spreadsheet and want to delete around 35 rows. I can select one entire row then delete it, but this is rather tedious.
Could someone explain how to select all the target rows at once and delete in one fell swoop?

Thanks much in advance.

--
Kimberly


Re: V 18 disapointment

Feliciano G
 

I understand that JAWS 18 isn't Worth investing for some at the moment. The new mouse echo feature is pretty nice, but what I find meat are the improvements that I have come across so far while using the Microsoft office 2013 product Outlook. I invest on JAWS upgrades for a couple of reasons. As I work in an office setting, the new features are nice to have when working in various environments while using the computer. I'm not affiliated with Freedom Scientific, I have just been using their screen reader since 2010 and enjoy it very much. Just my two cents for what it's worth.

Regards,Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v

On Nov 1, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegler@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

Sieghard,

I think FS is on the wrong side of that approach. A lot of people cannot attend conventions. They should also receive the discount. And the first year they did it, those attending the NFB conventiongot a larger discount. I know it was in celebration of their 75th anniversary, but that still smacks of partisan preference, in my opinion.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

There is always the option to pay for going to one of the big conventions in the US where this year and I think also last year and maybe the year before Freedom Scientific was offering smoking deals for SMA’s and for people to upgrade from versions that were several builts back to the most current. Of course by the time you add all the travel costs you may end up paying the same depending on how far you have to travel to attend one of these conventions, but at least you do get to see maybe a bunch of other neat stuff and meat people.



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment



Alan,



Given that he is still using JAWS 13, it looks like Richard is either out $600 for three unused SMA renewals, or will soon be at the same price point for purchasing a brand-new copy of JAWS. I think it's moot at this point.



Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer





----- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins <mailto:alan1057@me.com>

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 06:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment



Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com <mailto:richardbmcdonald@gmail.com> > wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7. Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions. Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented. What a racket indeed : (

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: V 18 disapointment

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!






Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Gudrun Brunot
 

Excellent idea, Maria. Anyone versed in petition starting?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Yeah. Let's start a petition.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 11/1/2016 3:25 PM, Gudrun Brunot wrote:
Can't we do anything to prevent that! Losing Eloquence would be disastrous! Talk about gratuitously and misguidedly removing something that works!



Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all
the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130
I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in
terms of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa
reading a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she
would sound as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't
want my wife or people around me talk to me as fast as I have set
Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so
she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling,
but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found
that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I
use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith















































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com




Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Pat Seed
 

I liked Votrex as well. However, there were some punctuation marks, like the exclamation point, that would make it throw out everything.
I may, I think, even still have it around here somewhere.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gudrun Brunot" <gbrunot@centurylink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices


I actually liked Votrax. It brings back fond memories. It was at that time the clearest sounding synthesizer, I think. I like how unassuming it seemed in its approach... Cheers,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

That Cadillac must have been the stand-alone DecTalk. It was good, but it should have been. The old Votrax plug-in board had its own little demo--pretty entertaining the first 500 times. That board could do a lot, and had customizable pronunciation. Trouble was the pronunciation exceptions could not port over to the screenreader. For 5 and a half years, I was known as Teddy Daavid Lissle. Actually David had a short a, not a broad one, but I can't reproduce it. Lisle (pronounced Lile) I can understand, JAWS needs help on that too, but David?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove eloquence, is because it will become less appealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I had the Accent hardware synthesizer when I got my first computer with Jaws in 1989, it was an internal card, not an external synthesizer.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think they're better. I remember the first one I had was called Double Talk, and it came with Vocal Eyes for WordPerfect 5.1 back in the early 90's. The guy from G.W. Micro that came down to Houston from Dallas and installed, was pretty perplexed, when he could see how little I knew about computers, yet was on a job, expected to maintain quality production. The Lord was with me, is all I can say.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
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soronel.haetir@gmail.com




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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Gudrun Brunot
 

I actually liked Votrax. It brings back fond memories. It was at that time the clearest sounding synthesizer, I think. I like how unassuming it seemed in its approach... Cheers,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

That Cadillac must have been the stand-alone DecTalk. It was good, but it should have been. The old Votrax plug-in board had its own little demo--pretty entertaining the first 500 times. That board could do a lot, and had customizable pronunciation. Trouble was the pronunciation exceptions could not port over to the screenreader. For 5 and a half years, I was known as Teddy Daavid Lissle. Actually David had a short a, not a broad one, but I can't reproduce it. Lisle (pronounced Lile) I can understand, JAWS needs help on that too, but David?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove eloquence, is because it will become less appealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

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Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

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Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
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On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

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Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
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Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
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On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

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Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: "Find" command and upgrading Jaws

Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...>
 

You can repeat the find command simply by pressing shift and the F4 key.


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On Nov 1, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Elaine Young <hidden_spring@juno.com> wrote:

Hi,

I am still on the elementary level of using Jaws and find this thread interesting. Thanks to all of you I now know the alternative ways to get to "find". But unless I am missing something, the benefit of using control plus f is that is the only "find" that locates all the words in the document that you are looking for and enables you to go from one to the next one. Is that correct? Or is there a way to travel through the selections when using the other two ways to go to find?


I am using Windows 10 and Jaws 17.


Also it was my understanding that if you wanted to upgrade through several versions of Jaws, the maximum FS would charge you is $400. But according to what some of you are saying, my information must be incorrect????


Elaine


On 11/1/2016 11:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Thanks, I agree that Control+H with Alt+D gets you where you want to be.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word


How about using control+ h followed by alt + D?
I have not used control + f for "find" in Word since Word 2003.
The two keystroke approach (above) gives one the nice find feature of Word 2003, not the awkward "find" feature with control + f.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word

I am seeing this as well.
Office 365, Windows 10, and of course JFW 18

On Nov 1, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Steve Griffiths <steve.griffiths@guidedogs.org.uk> wrote:

A few people have commented that JAWS 18 doesn't work well with the Find feature in Word on their computer. Here is how it was originally put:

Start snippet:
Using Word 2010 and Jaws 18 I can no longer use Ctrl-F to activate the find command in a document. It appears to allow one search then nothing happens.
I can still access find using Alt-H, f, d but that is a bit tedious!!
When I stop Jaws 18 and start Jaws 17 the problem goes away and I can use Ctrl-F no problem.
End snippet:

I and at least one other person find the same in Word 2016. Anyone else finding this?

Thanks,
Steve




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