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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Soronel Haetir
 

Younger people are more used to devices that have natural sounding
voices, so are more likely to choose such a voice from the outset.
And I have found it extremely difficult to change voices once used to
a particular sound.

I have even found it difficult to adjust to changes in the same voice
(for example, an update to the bookport plus software installs a
different version of the Samantha voice with a few differences in
pronunciation, it took me over a year before I was no longer noticing
every time one of those differences was encountered).

On 11/1/16, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for
eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence, is
because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The younger
people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already
removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom
want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
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On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi gang: My theory is that a lot of speech technology isn't necessarily designed with users relying on speech for their work--much of it, I believe, is done to provide "frosting on the cake" for sighted users--a nice gimmick. I still use Eloquence as my default synthesizer, Reed as my voice option. That sounds businesslike, it's fast and responsive. I've used the vocalizer or the a capella voices for other languages, like French, German, Swedish etc.

I haven't received my JAWS 18 yet--yes, buckled down and bought the SMA. I still go back to JAWS 16 a lot when 17 seems to get sluggish. The developers ought to be required to use the JAWS version they're developing while doing their work. Maybe that would shake them up a bit, so they get things in shape before any release.

Have a crashless, hangup-free day.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Both IBM and DEC used obnoxious child voices. I believe DEC designated its version as "Kid." I don't recall the label for the IBM Webb browser (remember that one, gang?), as I only used it a few days. I'm an IBM fan, but it cost way too much for what it did, and JAWS was already well-advanced in its browsing capability.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith

































Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Most definitely, if for nothing else the dash and underline key. I like it on the 4 and 7 to, for one reason, so many passwords having numbers in them, and when you type, it says star.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's an interesting idea, I'll have to consider it. I spend enough time counting to get the right F-key that something that would cut down on that need would be welcome. (That is one nice thing about mapping the print screen key, it does still have separation so is easy to find).

On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys
for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Well, its simpel. Young blind people who grow up now and in future are
not so subjected to robotic speech like we all were, and therefore
will mostly not prefer them if they were to be learning about them. At
some point it will show in the servays and other feedback wich comes
from customers. If I'm wrong, why did dolphin find it necessary to
remove it? Its not about what age you are, but about what you become
use to are what you want to use. Tripple talk is just like the
DubbleTalk sound but with better hardware.

On 01/11/2016, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
Glad I'm not the only one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for
eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence, is
because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The younger
people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already
removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom
want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Mcginnis, Barbara
 

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Kimber Gardner
 

For me the best thing about eloquence is its transparency. I use it
for all kinds of reading and because it doesn't try to sound "human" I
find it easier to concentrate on the content rather than the quality
of the narration.

Daniel annoys the heck out of me. If I had to listen to him all the
time I think I might stop reading. <grin>

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always sound
funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms of quality
you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading a Kindl book
sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound as good if she was
talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or people around me talk to
me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the name - I
like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human, they
could record our books with them. Some places that I call now have pretty
good sounding voices on their automated phone service, but I think that they
have human voices programmed to say specific things. Within those confines,
a human voice would work, but with constantly changing material, I guess
they're not there yet with that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's name is
Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of course,
I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she was a natural
choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I think her name is
spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith



















































--
Kimberly


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Glad I'm not the only one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
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soronel.haetir@gmail.com




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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
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soronel.haetir@gmail.com




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Re: V 18 disapointment

 

There is always the option to pay for going to one of the big conventions in the US where this year and I think also last year and maybe the year before Freedom Scientific was offering smoking deals for SMA’s and for people to upgrade from versions that were several builts back to the most current. Of course by the time you add all the travel costs you may end up paying the same depending on how far you have to travel to attend one of these conventions, but at least you do get to see maybe a bunch of other neat stuff and meat people.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Alan,

 

Given that he is still using JAWS 13, it looks like Richard is either out $600 for three unused SMA renewals, or will soon be at the same price point for purchasing a brand-new copy of JAWS. I think it's moot at this point.

 

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 06:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Maria Campbell
 

That might be my time to ditch JAWS and go to NVDA for good, since hopefully Kurzweil will maintain an unlocked Eloquence to use with NVDA. While on the subject, what does tiny talk or triple talk sound like? An external synthesizer might be in my future.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 11/1/2016 12:27 PM, Aidan wrote:
The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all
the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound
funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms of
quality
you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading a Kindl book
sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound as good if she was
talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or people around me talk
to
me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the name -
I
like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human, they
could record our books with them. Some places that I call now have pretty
good sounding voices on their automated phone service, but I think that
they
have human voices programmed to say specific things. Within those
confines,
a human voice would work, but with constantly changing material, I guess
they're not there yet with that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's name
is
Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle,
Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of course,
I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she was a
natural
choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I think her name is
spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I
can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with
a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith















































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Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word

Steve Griffiths
 

Hi Ed,

Thanks for this, which does work.

However, my thought is that Freedom Scientific may not be aware of the issue with the Ctrl + F keystroke and if not, and others are getting the same issue, I'll mention it to them.

Cheers,
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: 01 November 2016 15:04
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word


How about using control+ h followed by alt + D?
I have not used control + f for "find" in Word since Word 2003.
The two keystroke approach (above) gives one the nice find feature of Word 2003, not the awkward "find" feature with control + f.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Sandoval
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word

I am seeing this as well.
Office 365, Windows 10, and of course JFW 18

On Nov 1, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Steve Griffiths <steve.griffiths@guidedogs.org.uk> wrote:

A few people have commented that JAWS 18 doesn't work well with the Find feature in Word on their computer. Here is how it was originally put:

Start snippet:
Using Word 2010 and Jaws 18 I can no longer use Ctrl-F to activate the find command in a document. It appears to allow one search then nothing happens.
I can still access find using Alt-H, f, d but that is a bit tedious!!
When I stop Jaws 18 and start Jaws 17 the problem goes away and I can use Ctrl-F no problem.
End snippet:

I and at least one other person find the same in Word 2016. Anyone else finding this?

Thanks,
Steve




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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

As the Wells narrator was male, he seemed like a good choice. I looked for the classic broadcast transcription, but wound up with the Gutenberg version.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I find Daniel far too strident. I had a game (when I could see) that used Daniel for in-game announcements, it was pretty good for that but to actually listen to would be too much.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
Man alive, my Stetson is off to you. Just for fun I read "War of the
World's" a while back using Daniel; it was a trip! He was quite
convincing.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that and I find it becomes absolute gibberish.
125 is marginal but at 130 I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific things.
Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with constantly
changing material, I guess they're not there yet with that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
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Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
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On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Soronel Haetir
 

That's an interesting idea, I'll have to consider it. I spend enough
time counting to get the right F-key that something that would cut
down on that need would be welcome. (That is one nice thing about
mapping the print screen key, it does still have separation so is easy
to find).

On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I find
it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances like the
laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since these
are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at the same
time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys for other
commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring up
the
applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with reassigning keys be
it
with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with scripts at least for this
particular issue. At this point, the shift+F10 command is as second
nature
to me as is bringing up the system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow down
to
“Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is on
SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and you
should
be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so that your focus
is
"inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Soronel Haetir
 

I find Daniel far too strident. I had a game (when I could see) that
used Daniel for in-game announcements, it was pretty good for that but
to actually listen to would be too much.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
Man alive, my Stetson is off to you. Just for fun I read "War of the
World's" a while back using Daniel; it was a trip! He was quite
convincing.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am listening
to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but not so much where
I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence also has significant
buffering problems where it will speed up dramatically when speaking long
pieces (like full pages or especially chapters). I already have eloquence
set at 120, very much above that and I find it becomes absolute gibberish.
125 is marginal but at 130 I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading a
Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound as
good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service, but
I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific things.
Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with constantly
changing material, I guess they're not there yet with that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the
name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com






--
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soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: V 18 disappointment

Alan Robbins
 

True, just wanted to make sure he understood

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Alan,

 

Given that he is still using JAWS 13, it looks like Richard is either out $600 for three unused SMA renewals, or will soon be at the same price point for purchasing a brand-new copy of JAWS. I think it's moot at this point.

 

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 06:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Man alive, my Stetson is off to you. Just for fun I read "War of the World's" a while back using Daniel; it was a trip! He was quite convincing.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading a
Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound as
good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service, but
I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific things.
Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with constantly
changing material, I guess they're not there yet with that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the
name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all
the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound
funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms of
quality
you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading a Kindl book
sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound as good if she was
talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or people around me talk
to
me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the name -
I
like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human, they
could record our books with them. Some places that I call now have pretty
good sounding voices on their automated phone service, but I think that
they
have human voices programmed to say specific things. Within those
confines,
a human voice would work, but with constantly changing material, I guess
they're not there yet with that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's name
is
Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle,
Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of course,
I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she was a
natural
choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I think her name is
spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I
can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with
a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com



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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Cristóbal
 

I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring up the
applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with reassigning keys be it
with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with scripts at least for this
particular issue. At this point, the shift+F10 command is as second nature
to me as is bringing up the system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow down to
“Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is on
SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and you should
be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so that your focus is
"inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait, and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Soronel Haetir
 

I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always sound
funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms of quality
you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading a Kindl book
sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound as good if she was
talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or people around me talk to
me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the name - I
like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human, they
could record our books with them. Some places that I call now have pretty
good sounding voices on their automated phone service, but I think that they
have human voices programmed to say specific things. Within those confines,
a human voice would work, but with constantly changing material, I guess
they're not there yet with that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's name is
Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of course,
I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she was a natural
choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I think her name is
spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
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Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
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On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith



















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I'm at 90, and friends and family think it's strange. It's my way of staying as competitive as I can. I'll never keep up with a sighted reader, but I've been using compressed speech since 1973.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I won't quote, but that makes sense. I knew the 40 was a percentage, but did not know what the 84 was. When put that way, that's not all that fast. My husband can't understand a thing JAWS said. I guess one has to train oneself for listening intake.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Carolyn, 40 is a percentage. I think 84 represents words per minute, but don't quote me on that one.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I like to clip along at about 40 with 84; not sure what those numbers exactly mean, but I guess I am just used to reading fast with Reid. Russell sounds like he has a mouth full of chew tobacco.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69.
Within the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith