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Re: V 18 disappointment

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

I do agree, they’ve got the blind sewed up with constantly coming up with new versions to profit themselves.

But I tend to think with all internet browsers constantly coming up with more and more graphics and what nots for the sighted crowd, the older versions of JAWS can’t keep up.

 

I just wish all of these computer/printer/scanner/internet and other companies would just keep everything the same, while still making things better. I guess this can’t be done because it is all about money. But then again; that’s what business is all about.

A royal conundrum, indeed!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith

































Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Exactly. The voices are not natural, but the speech is; the rhythm and emphasis are just better, suggesting a tighter integration with the core product. I thought they would have worked through that by now, but apparently not.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

One thing about Eloquence is that even though it doesn't sound human, the words flow together a bit more naturally at times. Vocalizer's voices sound better to me, but sometimes it sounds like sounds are being spliced together like how they do on old commercials when they splice together speech from a dead celebrity to make him say the product name.

On 11/1/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote:
I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the
name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn.
I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like
they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith






































Re: V 18 disapointment

 

I was forced to upgrade to Jaws 17 because being an idiot, I did the
free upgrade to Windows 10 without looking at Freedom Scientific's
website first, and it actually uninstalled my original copy of Jaws.
I already had the SMA for 18, so I went ahead and downloaded it. I do
like the fact that it turns down other programs when Jaws is talking
since I listen to music while on the computer.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I have to defend 16, especially the OCR feature. Agreed some of the alleged
improvements through the years haven't amounted to much, but this is a
winner. If u use Office 2013 or later, The ability to both create and edit
PDF's can be a real plus. I've told the story on this list of the old ham
radio manual that came to me as an image file and really needed a cleanup.
This combo can do the job. Also, don't forget PDF's in the work place.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.
Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of
either JAWS or Windows since these versions. Most of the so-called
"improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not
work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all
along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others
have commented. What a racket indeed : (

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]<mailto:[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]> On Behalf Of
Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: V 18 disapointment

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn't
sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won't upgrade
anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith

































Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Alan Robbins
 

Michael, I couldn't agree more. I mentioned on a list last evening, possibly this one, that having used eloquence for so many years it is just hard to get used to something else on the computer

On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:17, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:

I use eloquence for programming where being certain of exactly what is
present is very important but a natural sounding voice for browsing
where such concerns are limited.

On 11/1/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote:
I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs
to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn.
I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd
be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith






































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com



Re: V 18 disapointment

Alan Robbins
 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune

On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

 

One thing about Eloquence is that even though it doesn't sound human,
the words flow together a bit more naturally at times. Vocalizer's
voices sound better to me, but sometimes it sounds like sounds are
being spliced together like how they do on old commercials when they
splice together speech from a dead celebrity to make him say the
product name.

On 11/1/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote:
I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs
to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn.
I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd
be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith






































Re: V 18 disapointment

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I have to defend 16, especially the OCR feature.  Agreed some of the alleged improvements through the years haven’t amounted to much, but this is a winner.  If u use Office 2013 or later, The ability to both create and edit PDF’s can be a real plus.  I’ve told the story on this list of the old ham radio manual that came to me as an image file and really needed a cleanup.  This combo can do the job.  Also, don’t forget PDF’s in the work place.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Soronel Haetir
 

I use eloquence for programming where being certain of exactly what is
present is very important but a natural sounding voice for browsing
where such concerns are limited.

On 11/1/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote:
I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs
to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn.
I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd
be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith





































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn. I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith

































Re: V 18 disapointment

Richard B. McDonald
 

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Both IBM and DEC used obnoxious child voices. I believe DEC designated its version as "Kid." I don't recall the label for the IBM Webb browser (remember that one, gang?), as I only used it a few days. I'm an IBM fan, but it cost way too much for what it did, and JAWS was already well-advanced in its browsing capability.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith

































Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

 

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn. I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith

































Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith























Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I agree. Each time we're told the new voices are the hottest thing since instant coffee, but there's always a let-down. I've never claimed eloquence sounds human, the female voices verge on awful, baring just a trace of Marge Simpson. Having said that, I can rip along at good speed, and seldom need a repeat, and that's good.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear I give a listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have shelly sounding as human as possible.


On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant problems under jaws
18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c), right quote (U+201d)
and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously available.

Thanks in advance, Keith


Can't turn off heading announcement

Ann Byrne
 

Most of what mobile Facebook says to me is quote 'heading level 3' quote. Sometimes there is also text, but that annoying heading + level announcement keeps hammering along. I have 'announce headings' turned off in quick settings, but it does no good. Any suggestions as to how to shut up the silly heading + level announcement?

thanks,


Re: V 18 disapointment

dennis
 

very well put. couldn't agree more.

On 11/1/2016 3:18 AM, soner wrote:
Hi, I see "no reason" why it is not released as 17.1 instead of 18.
joking, İndeed the reason is obvious, for years what FS has been doing
is nothing but version proliferation, fixing what was previously
working and of course "kindly" requesting new upgrade fees from the
users for much ado about nothing. Freedom, you are an SMA monster! but
let me be honest, they hardly ever could find someone better than Mr.
Mosen for the FSCast presenting every main version "as if a ground
breaking revolution!"

On 11/1/16, dennis <dennisc67@gmail.com> wrote:
i would upgrade if i had windows 10 but sadly i won't have to worry
about that for another 5 years. guess i'll have to just keep up with the
sma's.


On 10/31/2016 8:29 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:
Ditto

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Marianne Denning
*Sent:* October 31, 2016 10:05 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: V 18 disapointment

The problem is that if you don’t upgrade and keep purchasing the SMA
for your JAWS you will pay an outrageous price to upgrade in the
future. I have always purchased the SMAs and kept my JAWS current. I
will probably wait for 1 release to come out before I upgrade but I
will definitely upgrade.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *stintonjoe@btinternet.com
<mailto:stintonjoe@btinternet.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 12:54 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: V 18 disapointment

well i have only just brought jaws 17, so i wont be upgrading !!!

*From:*Drew Hunthausen <mailto:dhunthausen@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Monday, October 31, 2016 3:23 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:*V 18 disapointment

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed!
Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use.
Won’t upgrade anytime soon!





Re: V 18 disapointment

soner
 

Hi, I see "no reason" why it is not released as 17.1 instead of 18.
joking, İndeed the reason is obvious, for years what FS has been doing
is nothing but version proliferation, fixing what was previously
working and of course "kindly" requesting new upgrade fees from the
users for much ado about nothing. Freedom, you are an SMA monster! but
let me be honest, they hardly ever could find someone better than Mr.
Mosen for the FSCast presenting every main version "as if a ground
breaking revolution!"

On 11/1/16, dennis <dennisc67@gmail.com> wrote:
i would upgrade if i had windows 10 but sadly i won't have to worry
about that for another 5 years. guess i'll have to just keep up with the
sma's.


On 10/31/2016 8:29 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

Ditto

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Marianne Denning
*Sent:* October 31, 2016 10:05 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: V 18 disapointment

The problem is that if you don’t upgrade and keep purchasing the SMA
for your JAWS you will pay an outrageous price to upgrade in the
future. I have always purchased the SMAs and kept my JAWS current. I
will probably wait for 1 release to come out before I upgrade but I
will definitely upgrade.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *stintonjoe@btinternet.com
<mailto:stintonjoe@btinternet.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 12:54 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: V 18 disapointment

well i have only just brought jaws 17, so i wont be upgrading !!!

*From:*Drew Hunthausen <mailto:dhunthausen@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Monday, October 31, 2016 3:23 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:*V 18 disapointment

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed!
Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use.
Won’t upgrade anytime soon!






Re: Jaws 17 with windows 7?

 

All versions of Jaws will run on Windows 7 and it is my guess they will continue to do so for some years to come.

You do, however, need the latest update of Jaws 16 to run on Windows 10.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 with windows 7?

 

Hi all, Jaws 17 will run on windows 7 right? Will Jaws 18 run on the same platform, or is it just windows 10?

James

 

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