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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.
Ted
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program. Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more efficient in the work I do. I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use occasionally; just for fun! LOL! -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws. On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote: The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Insert J, then to voice adjustment.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Carolyn
Ctrl + jaws key + s
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and not getting
there tonight, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Dennis,
As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
Michael, I couldn't agree more. I mentioned on a list last evening, possibly this one, that having used eloquence for so many years it is just hard to get used to something else on the computer
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On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:17, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I use eloquence for programming where being certain of exactly what is
present is very important but a natural sounding voice for browsing
where such concerns are limited.
On 11/1/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote:
I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.
On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs
to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn.
I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd
be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Insert J, then to voice adjustment.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Carolyn
Ctrl + jaws key + s
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and not getting
there tonight, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Dennis,
As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com
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Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune
On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald < richardbmcdonald@...> wrote: I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7. Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions. Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented. What a racket indeed : ( I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!
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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
One thing about Eloquence is that even though it doesn't sound human,
the words flow together a bit more naturally at times. Vocalizer's
voices sound better to me, but sometimes it sounds like sounds are
being spliced together like how they do on old commercials when they
splice together speech from a dead celebrity to make him say the
product name.
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On 11/1/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote: I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.
On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs
to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn.
I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd
be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Insert J, then to voice adjustment.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Carolyn
Ctrl + jaws key + s
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and not getting
there tonight, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Dennis,
As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
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I have to defend 16, especially the OCR feature. Agreed some of the alleged improvements through the years haven’t amounted to much, but this is a winner. If u use Office 2013 or later, The ability to both
create and edit PDF’s can be a real plus. I’ve told the story on this list of the old ham radio manual that came to me as an image file and really needed a cleanup. This combo can do the job. Also, don’t forget PDF’s in the work place.
Ted
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment
I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7. Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions. Most of the so-called
"improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented. What a racket indeed
: (
I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!
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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I use eloquence for programming where being certain of exactly what is
present is very important but a natural sounding voice for browsing
where such concerns are limited.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 11/1/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote: I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male
voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't
seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a
better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard
Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.
On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs
to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn.
I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd
be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Insert J, then to voice adjustment.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Carolyn
Ctrl + jaws key + s
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and not getting
there tonight, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Dennis,
As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com
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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for, that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws. On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote: The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn. I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Insert J, then to voice adjustment.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Carolyn
Ctrl + jaws key + s
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and not getting
there tonight, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Dennis,
As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
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I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7. Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions. Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented. What a racket indeed : (
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!
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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Both IBM and DEC used obnoxious child voices. I believe DEC designated its version as "Kid." I don't recall the label for the IBM Webb browser (remember that one, gang?), as I only used it a few days. I'm an IBM fan, but it cost way too much for what it did, and JAWS was already well-advanced in its browsing capability.
Ted
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws. On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote: The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Insert J, then to voice adjustment.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Carolyn
Ctrl + jaws key + s
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and not getting
there tonight, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Dennis,
As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote: The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by
adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs to
be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason
would want to listen to that all day!
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn. I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd be
harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Insert J, then to voice adjustment.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Carolyn
Ctrl + jaws key + s
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and not getting
there tonight, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Dennis,
As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!
Ted
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like they'd be harder to understand. Thanks for getting me there. Bye for now, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices Insert J, then to voice adjustment. Maria Campbell lucky1@gmail.com Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. --Dalai Lama On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in other places. I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Carolyn
Ctrl + jaws key + s
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and not getting there tonight, thanks.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.
Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama
On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
Dennis,
As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices
I agree. Each time we're told the new voices are the hottest thing since instant coffee, but there's always a let-down. I've never claimed eloquence sounds human, the female voices verge on awful, baring just a trace of Marge Simpson. Having said that, I can rip along at good speed, and seldom need a repeat, and that's good.
Ted
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices Dennis, As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear I give a listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard to give it up Al -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of dennis Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence. i have shelly sounding as human as possible. On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote: I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant problems under jaws
18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c), right quote (U+201d)
and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.
On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,
I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously available.
Thanks in advance, Keith
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Can't turn off heading announcement
Most of what mobile Facebook says to me is quote 'heading level 3' quote. Sometimes there is also text, but that annoying heading + level announcement keeps hammering along. I have 'announce headings' turned off in quick settings, but it does no good. Any suggestions as to how to shut up the silly heading + level announcement?
thanks,
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very well put. couldn't agree more.
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On 11/1/2016 3:18 AM, soner wrote: Hi, I see "no reason" why it is not released as 17.1 instead of 18.
joking, İndeed the reason is obvious, for years what FS has been doing
is nothing but version proliferation, fixing what was previously
working and of course "kindly" requesting new upgrade fees from the
users for much ado about nothing. Freedom, you are an SMA monster! but
let me be honest, they hardly ever could find someone better than Mr.
Mosen for the FSCast presenting every main version "as if a ground
breaking revolution!"
On 11/1/16, dennis <dennisc67@gmail.com> wrote:
i would upgrade if i had windows 10 but sadly i won't have to worry
about that for another 5 years. guess i'll have to just keep up with the
sma's.
On 10/31/2016 8:29 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:
Ditto
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Marianne Denning
*Sent:* October 31, 2016 10:05 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: V 18 disapointment
The problem is that if you don’t upgrade and keep purchasing the SMA
for your JAWS you will pay an outrageous price to upgrade in the
future. I have always purchased the SMAs and kept my JAWS current. I
will probably wait for 1 release to come out before I upgrade but I
will definitely upgrade.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *stintonjoe@btinternet.com
<mailto:stintonjoe@btinternet.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 12:54 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: V 18 disapointment
well i have only just brought jaws 17, so i wont be upgrading !!!
*From:*Drew Hunthausen <mailto:dhunthausen@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Monday, October 31, 2016 3:23 PM
*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:*V 18 disapointment
I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed!
Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use.
Won’t upgrade anytime soon!
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Hi, I see "no reason" why it is not released as 17.1 instead of 18.
joking, İndeed the reason is obvious, for years what FS has been doing
is nothing but version proliferation, fixing what was previously
working and of course "kindly" requesting new upgrade fees from the
users for much ado about nothing. Freedom, you are an SMA monster! but
let me be honest, they hardly ever could find someone better than Mr.
Mosen for the FSCast presenting every main version "as if a ground
breaking revolution!"
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 11/1/16, dennis <dennisc67@gmail.com> wrote: i would upgrade if i had windows 10 but sadly i won't have to worry
about that for another 5 years. guess i'll have to just keep up with the
sma's.
On 10/31/2016 8:29 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:
Ditto
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Marianne Denning
*Sent:* October 31, 2016 10:05 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: V 18 disapointment
The problem is that if you don’t upgrade and keep purchasing the SMA
for your JAWS you will pay an outrageous price to upgrade in the
future. I have always purchased the SMAs and kept my JAWS current. I
will probably wait for 1 release to come out before I upgrade but I
will definitely upgrade.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *stintonjoe@btinternet.com
<mailto:stintonjoe@btinternet.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 12:54 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: V 18 disapointment
well i have only just brought jaws 17, so i wont be upgrading !!!
*From:*Drew Hunthausen <mailto:dhunthausen@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Monday, October 31, 2016 3:23 PM
*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:*V 18 disapointment
I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed!
Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use.
Won’t upgrade anytime soon!
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Re: Jaws 17 with windows 7?
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
All versions of Jaws will run on Windows 7 and it is my guess they will continue to do so for some years to come.
You do, however, need the latest update of Jaws 16 to run on Windows 10.
Regards,
Sieghard
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 with windows 7?
Hi all, Jaws 17 will run on windows 7 right? Will Jaws 18 run on the same platform, or is it just windows 10?
James
http://www.cdbaby.com/jamesmalone
James Malone, (916)212-5397http://www.tunecore.com
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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.
And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.
What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.
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On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote: For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring up the
applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with reassigning keys be it
with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with scripts at least for this
particular issue. At this point, the shift+F10 command is as second nature
to me as is bringing up the system tray.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
I think I have followed your directions.
I first open the Script Manager.
Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.
Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.
I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow down to
“Send Applications Key.”
Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.
The message I get goes something like this:
“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”
Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I feel I didn't explain well enough.
Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is on
SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and you should
be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so that your focus is
"inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.
Does that work?
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.
Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait, and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.
If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.
Here were the steps I went through:
1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,
2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts
3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,
4. find the SendApplicationKey script,
5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,
6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,
7. press the Print Screen key
8. Tab to the OK button and press it
9. Ctrl + S to compile the script
10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.
I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.
Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?
I. Edward Marquette
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Re: Finding a button in Google Hangouts
Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...>
I am trying to run it from the plug in and that is what is blocked now. When I just try from the google Fire Fox page it trys to pull up the hangout talk plugin automaticly, that was not the case just a week ago. I wonder if it still works fine in my chrome book, I imagine so, but I would like to be able to walk some of my students through the steps to be able to use it with JAWS or NVDA. Thanks for the input.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding a button in Google Hangouts I have had occasional issues with Google Hangouts over time as Google has kept tweaking things. I'd suggest downloading and installing the Google Hangouts Plugin or, as an alternative, seeing if using Hangouts via the hangouts.google.com webpage from within your browser works. I've been doing the latter for a while now. The plugin under Chrome does have the advantage of opening a dedicated window for Hangouts communication of all types. It's a matter of what suits you best.
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Re: Finding a button in Google Hangouts
Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...>
Thank you, I did try that though. If I shift tab I can get to a section about the unblock/allow buttons, but I cannot see any of the buttons to unblock from there, not even when using the Jaws or invisible cursor. It comes up as an alert rather than a notification.
Thanks
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shai Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:53 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Finding a button in Google Hangouts Hello, With the message that you are getting, I would try an alt n to bring the notification to focus and then tab to and press enter on the unblock button. On 10/31/16, Poppa Bear <heavens4real@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone know how to get to the allow the Google talk utility
button when using google hang outs? It wasn't a problem until this
week, but perhaps something changed. Below is a copy of the message
that I get when attempting to try and make a call with google hang
outs. I have even attempted to use a touch screen to locate the
button.
Hangouts Video Call
Plugin blocked
Hangouts requires the Google Talk plugins to make calls. Click the
unblock or trust button at the top of your browser to enable them.
Learn more.
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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the system tray.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond Steve: I think I have followed your directions. I first open the Script Manager. Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d. Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts. I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow down to “Send Applications Key.” Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send Applications Key,” I press ENTER. The message I get goes something like this: “Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation. Press “Yes” to delete.” Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point. From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond Hi Ed, I feel I didn't explain well enough. Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D. Does that work? Steve: These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything down to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I thought you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close. Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running another program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that is not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait, and the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS documentation. If I can do it myself, that is far preferable. Hi Ed, I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard manager. But I was able to find it in the script manager. Here were the steps I went through: 1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager, 2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts 3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts, 4. find the SendApplicationKey script, 5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation, 6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit, 7. press the Print Screen key 8. Tab to the OK button and press it 9. Ctrl + S to compile the script 10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager. I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key instead of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing it in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely baffling changes to Keyboard Manager. I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard manager. Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond? I. Edward Marquette Direct Dial: 816.502.4646 Mobile: 816.812.0088 Google Voice: 408.692.5640 Facsimile: 816.960.0041 Kutak Rock LLP 2300 Main Street, Suite 800 Kansas City, MO 64108 ed.marquette@...
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(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
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Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7 3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity registered in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
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