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Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

John Martyn
 

I could do WLM for fun while I am gearing up for the next application. I'm
personally using Outlook 2010 and I hate it so perhaps I could make the
switch. Does it import outlook express and outlook 2010 messages. What about
profiles?
Thanks, this will help me in the short run of things.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

There's a good idea John. WLM is used by many but has it's very silly querks
and it would be great if we could get an email client working perfectly well
with JAWS. I reckon it would only take you a day or so to fix everything as
much of it is stupid stuff like graphics not been labelled so the user has
to do it themselves so it will then identify unread messages, collapsed
conversations etc and the calendar function isn't ideal. Could be a quick
bit of work and create many happy JAWS users. That said I know I and many
others have repeatedly reported these issues to FS including during the JAWS
13 beta so hopefully they'll get off their backsides and fix them.

Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Hello,
Does anyone know if there are scripts for the new WLM?
I'm running Windows Vista and Jaws 11 and I just installed WLM. It seems as
if it is utilizing ribbons instead of a menu bar, so I'm stuck with a
not-so-good way of changing my settings. Also the spell check is horrible
because it just tells the word that it wants to change to, not the
misspelled word.
I don't think this problem was on the old Windows Live Mail but I don't know
how to get an earlier version of WLM.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Holdstock
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

I think all of us agree that John should get some recompense for his work
and I think many offered to pay something for the fnatastic Itunes scripts.
Perhaps having a paypal link on his site would be a good idea for voluntary
contributions although if he came up with realistic prices I'd be happy to
consider whether I need the product or not.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting for a new application

At the risk of starting a conflagration of controversy, I would like to
support the notion that John should get some remuneration for his hard work
-- even if he charged for scripts.
I know I would pay significantly for a set of scripts that made Google Docs
accessable, though I think that is not feasible.
The biggest single area of inaccessibility I encounter on my job is with
respect to on-line collaboration. I have clients who regularly send
invitations to go-to-meeting sessions where a document will be on the
screen, albeit from the client's computer. We will be on the phone
together, and sometimes the client will make edits he wants me to review,
and sometimes he will say simply, "Here, I'll give you control. Why don't
you revise this section on indemnification?"
I accomplish this only with the assistance of my sighted secretary. Without
her presence, I would be sunk.
Serotek has something called Accessable Event, but that really doesn't cut
it.
Again, this may be an application of limited applicability, but I run into
it all the time, and document collaboration is becoming more and more
popular. I hear ads for Go-To-Meeting almost every time I tune into XM
Radio, and note the popularity of Google Docs, not just because it is cheap,
but also because it offers collaboration.
This may simply be impossible and not everyone needs it, but if you need it,
you need it bad.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application


Ok, so with most of the Office applications scripted for, not to
mention iTunes, and the various parts of Windows, what else would the
masses of unemployed blind folks with limitted incomes like access to?
With the basics that most people want to use daily covered, we're probably
going to move into more specialized applications that not as many people
require. If said application is something that some of us who work or are
trying to find work need access to, maybe we should donate a little cash to
John for his hard work and probably hundreds of hours spent scripting. Just
a thought. Of course, any donations would be voluntary.





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Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

John Martyn
 

Not really, I have a slew of tools I have scripted for myself and use the
JAWS cursor to move about to see what's there.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Do you need to be sighted to be able to script efficiently? I'm assuming it
depends on what level the scripting is required i.e. at work we use an
application which requires every form field on the scrreen to be input
including it's location, size, type etc and that's the more basic stuff. I'm
assuming to be able to do that you would physically need to be able to see
the screen?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Kessler
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

This is an area that Rehab should have looked into a long time ago; funding
for small businesses to get their proprietary programs scripted. A lot of
money has been spent through schools to have people trained only to have
much unaccessible because of specialty programs.
Debbie, Chaz & Jessie
e-mail: jessesgirl@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application



Ok, so with most of the Office applications scripted for, not to
mention iTunes, and the various parts of Windows, what else would
the masses of unemployed blind folks with limitted incomes like
access to?
With the basics that most people want to use daily covered, we're
probably going to move into more specialized applications that not
as many people require. If said application is something that some
of us who work or are trying to find work need access to, maybe we
should donate a little cash to John for his hard work and probably
hundreds of hours spent scripting. Just a thought. Of course, any
donations would be voluntary.





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Re: new jaws

Dave...
 

Hmmm. I think I agree with you -- not entirely sure.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 15:22
Subject: Re: new jaws


It is me or they release jaws 13 faster compare from other beta in the
past?

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: new jaws

Yes. They sent out a notice this morning, announcing the release. However
only a very minor tweak to the last beta version, and two of the tweaks had
to do with sports scores - sigh.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 14:58
Subject: new jaws


I just downloaded jaws 13 and it is not beta. It is the regular jaws 13.
Holger Fiallo
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Re: new jaws

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

It is me or they release jaws 13 faster compare from other beta in the past?

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: new jaws

Yes. They sent out a notice this morning, announcing the release. However
only a very minor tweak to the last beta version, and two of the tweaks had
to do with sports scores - sigh.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 14:58
Subject: new jaws


I just downloaded jaws 13 and it is not beta. It is the regular jaws 13.
Holger Fiallo
Kind Regard
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Re: [Bulk] JAWS Scripting for a new application

Graham Smith <g.smith577@...>
 

Yep the same goes for windows live messinger as well. Really dont know why FS are holding back on this. Be interested in what they had to say about it John.

Regards

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 17:44
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: [Bulk] Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Cheers John. Even you just talking to them about it might embaress them a
little enough to get them to make the changes.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting for a new application

That is a great suggestion. I'll talk to FS about this.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

There's a good idea John. WLM is used by many but has it's very silly querks
and it would be great if we could get an email client working perfectly well
with JAWS. I reckon it would only take you a day or so to fix everything as
much of it is stupid stuff like graphics not been labelled so the user has
to do it themselves so it will then identify unread messages, collapsed
conversations etc and the calendar function isn't ideal. Could be a quick
bit of work and create many happy JAWS users. That said I know I and many
others have repeatedly reported these issues to FS including during the JAWS
13 beta so hopefully they'll get off their backsides and fix them.

Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Hello,
Does anyone know if there are scripts for the new WLM?
I'm running Windows Vista and Jaws 11 and I just installed WLM. It seems as
if it is utilizing ribbons instead of a menu bar, so I'm stuck with a
not-so-good way of changing my settings. Also the spell check is horrible
because it just tells the word that it wants to change to, not the
misspelled word.
I don't think this problem was on the old Windows Live Mail but I don't know
how to get an earlier version of WLM.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Holdstock
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

I think all of us agree that John should get some recompense for his work
and I think many offered to pay something for the fnatastic Itunes scripts.
Perhaps having a paypal link on his site would be a good idea for voluntary
contributions although if he came up with realistic prices I'd be happy to
consider whether I need the product or not.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting for a new application

At the risk of starting a conflagration of controversy, I would like to
support the notion that John should get some remuneration for his hard work
-- even if he charged for scripts.
I know I would pay significantly for a set of scripts that made Google Docs
accessable, though I think that is not feasible.
The biggest single area of inaccessibility I encounter on my job is with
respect to on-line collaboration. I have clients who regularly send
invitations to go-to-meeting sessions where a document will be on the
screen, albeit from the client's computer. We will be on the phone
together, and sometimes the client will make edits he wants me to review,
and sometimes he will say simply, "Here, I'll give you control. Why don't
you revise this section on indemnification?"
I accomplish this only with the assistance of my sighted secretary. Without
her presence, I would be sunk.
Serotek has something called Accessable Event, but that really doesn't cut
it.
Again, this may be an application of limited applicability, but I run into
it all the time, and document collaboration is becoming more and more
popular. I hear ads for Go-To-Meeting almost every time I tune into XM
Radio, and note the popularity of Google Docs, not just because it is cheap,
but also because it offers collaboration.
This may simply be impossible and not everyone needs it, but if you need it,
you need it bad.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application


Ok, so with most of the Office applications scripted for, not to
mention iTunes, and the various parts of Windows, what else would the
masses of unemployed blind folks with limitted incomes like access to?
With the basics that most people want to use daily covered, we're probably
going to move into more specialized applications that not as many people
require. If said application is something that some of us who work or are
trying to find work need access to, maybe we should donate a little cash to
John for his hard work and probably hundreds of hours spent scripting. Just
a thought. Of course, any donations would be voluntary.





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Re: new jaws

Dave...
 

Yes. They sent out a notice this morning, announcing the release. However
only a very minor tweak to the last beta version, and two of the tweaks had
to do with sports scores - sigh.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 14:58
Subject: new jaws


I just downloaded jaws 13 and it is not beta. It is the regular jaws 13.
Holger Fiallo
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Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Dave...
 

Debby,

You're welcome. I also wasn't sure if there were any specific scripts
related to the remote sessions. And yes, they did a lot of changing (messing
up, in my opinion) of keys in JAWS 12. Just read all my past posts on the
total mess they made of Excel.

Now I have to modify the jkm file every time I get a new version of JAWS,
just to put back the keys I like.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Debby Hill" <dm-hill@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 14:53
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi Dave,

I had never looked at the application manager before and you got
me curious. There doesn't seem to be any scripts that are used
for the remote sessions. I think it just relies on what scripts
you use for the applications you are running on the local and
remote computers.

What they had me change in versions of JAWS prior to 12 was in
the jkm (keyboard manager) file. When I started having problem in
JAWS 12 with the sticky alt key, I looked for the JKM file in
JAWS 12 and they don't seem to do things the same way in 12 as
they did in the previous versions.

Thanks for giving us another idea of a place to look.

Debby

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:12:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Hello Kim,

You can try just disabling the scripts for the remote sessions.

JAWS/Options/Manage Applications

Then uncheck the script(s) that relate to the remote sessions.

Then press Okay to save the changes.

This is very safe, and of course reversible later.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:02
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi Debby,

I don't think I used the merge utility when I installed jaws 12,
but
honestly I can't remember.

I thought you had to use the same versions of jaws on both the
local
machine and the remote machine. Is that not the case? Why did I
think
that?

I just downloaded jaws 13 so it will be interesting to see if the
sticky key problem is cleared up. I'll report back once I have
time to
get everything installed and test it out.

Kim

On 10/24/11, Debby Hill <dm-hill@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Kimber,

I am sorry I left you in the lurch. I went off to have some
lunch.

Tech support at FS told me that they had fixed this problem in
JAWS 12., So I have a couple of thoughts. Did you use the merge
utility when you upgraded to JAWS 12, say from version 11. If
yes, then something to try might be to uninstall version 12 and
do a clean install of it and don't merge.

If you didn't use the merge utility, then I hate to say it but
it
is probably time to call FS or send an e-mail to
support@freedomscientific.com. I reported the problem sometime
ago, but when I use remote desktop, I am sometimes using Jaws 12
on my local machine and JAWS 7 on the remote machine. This has
to
do with the application I have to use on the remote machine.
(that's another shaggy dog story.)

I do know what you are talking about when you have the problem.
It is painful!! I usually try to see if I can unload JAWS on the
remote machine and reload it. It it a struggle, but I often end
up having to use Narrator.

Hope something of this helps. Let me know how it turns out.

Debby

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:32:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Hi Debby,

I have version 12 on both the local computer and on the server.

I don't see this sticky key problem in any application except
during
remote access sessions. But as I said, when it happens it screws
up an
entire session, rendering the keyboard virtually inoperable to
the
point that I can't even properly reboot the system but have to
turn it
off and back on again.

K

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Knowing that there is a problem has never been an issue for FS.
Owning up to their contribution to it, is another matter. They
have
traditionally blamed the Microsoft key handler as the real
problem, but I
don't hear my sighted colleagues ever mentioning sticky keys.

Go figure, and just consider how FS's Openbook leave behind a
sticky Control
key as a glaring indictment of the ownership.

You're right. After all these years, it would be easy for FS to
build in an
un-stick subroutine in their scripts or underlying code.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 07:13
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Thanks Dave. Hmm, interesting that they seem to know what
causes
it
yet it hasn't been fixed in all these releases.

I'll try the key tap solution next time it happens.

Thanks again

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Stuck modifier keys is a very common occurrence (at least for
me
with all
my
different versions of JAWS and hardware). It's been around
since
JAWS 3.5
and my old HP pavilion with Windows 2000.

That said, it happens most often for me after using Openbook.

Your case is not unusual.

Don't reboot. Just alternately rapidly tap each of the modifier
keys one
at
a time. e.g. left alt, right alt, left alt right alt etc.
several times in
succession. Then do the same with control, shift, and the
windows keys.
If
you don't have one of these as a pair, just tap the individual
key
rapidly.

This sounds crazy but it does unstick the key.

It's not a mechanical problem. It's related to the key code
decoding in
the
JAWS processing. At least that's what FS support has said for
several
years.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 04:35
Subject: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi All,

Not sure how many of you have used Jaws for remote access, but
I
would
appreciate any help.

When I'm signed on to my work computer via a vpn using remote
desktop,
occasionally the alt key seems to stick. That is whenever I
press any
key I first hear "alt" followed by the name of the key be that
up
arrow or whatever. The only way to unstick the alt key is to
reboot
the local computer.

Is there another method for resetting the keyboard and
unsticking the alt
key?

Thanks,
Kim

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I just downloaded jaws 13 and it is not beta. It is the regular jaws 13.
Holger Fiallo
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Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Debby Hill
 

Hi Dave,

I had never looked at the application manager before and you got me curious. There doesn't seem to be any scripts that are used for the remote sessions. I think it just relies on what scripts you use for the applications you are running on the local and remote computers.

What they had me change in versions of JAWS prior to 12 was in the jkm (keyboard manager) file. When I started having problem in JAWS 12 with the sticky alt key, I looked for the JKM file in JAWS 12 and they don't seem to do things the same way in 12 as they did in the previous versions.

Thanks for giving us another idea of a place to look.

Debby

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:12:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Hello Kim,

You can try just disabling the scripts for the remote sessions.

JAWS/Options/Manage Applications

Then uncheck the script(s) that relate to the remote sessions.

Then press Okay to save the changes.

This is very safe, and of course reversible later.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:02
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi Debby,

I don't think I used the merge utility when I installed jaws 12, but
honestly I can't remember.

I thought you had to use the same versions of jaws on both the local
machine and the remote machine. Is that not the case? Why did I think
that?

I just downloaded jaws 13 so it will be interesting to see if the
sticky key problem is cleared up. I'll report back once I have time to
get everything installed and test it out.

Kim

On 10/24/11, Debby Hill <dm-hill@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Kimber,

I am sorry I left you in the lurch. I went off to have some
lunch.

Tech support at FS told me that they had fixed this problem in
JAWS 12., So I have a couple of thoughts. Did you use the merge
utility when you upgraded to JAWS 12, say from version 11. If
yes, then something to try might be to uninstall version 12 and
do a clean install of it and don't merge.

If you didn't use the merge utility, then I hate to say it but it
is probably time to call FS or send an e-mail to
support@freedomscientific.com. I reported the problem sometime
ago, but when I use remote desktop, I am sometimes using Jaws 12
on my local machine and JAWS 7 on the remote machine. This has to
do with the application I have to use on the remote machine.
(that's another shaggy dog story.)

I do know what you are talking about when you have the problem.
It is painful!! I usually try to see if I can unload JAWS on the
remote machine and reload it. It it a struggle, but I often end
up having to use Narrator.

Hope something of this helps. Let me know how it turns out.

Debby

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:32:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Hi Debby,

I have version 12 on both the local computer and on the server.

I don't see this sticky key problem in any application except
during
remote access sessions. But as I said, when it happens it screws
up an
entire session, rendering the keyboard virtually inoperable to
the
point that I can't even properly reboot the system but have to
turn it
off and back on again.

K

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Knowing that there is a problem has never been an issue for FS.
Owning up to their contribution to it, is another matter. They
have
traditionally blamed the Microsoft key handler as the real
problem, but I
don't hear my sighted colleagues ever mentioning sticky keys.

Go figure, and just consider how FS's Openbook leave behind a
sticky Control
key as a glaring indictment of the ownership.

You're right. After all these years, it would be easy for FS to
build in an
un-stick subroutine in their scripts or underlying code.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 07:13
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Thanks Dave. Hmm, interesting that they seem to know what causes
it
yet it hasn't been fixed in all these releases.

I'll try the key tap solution next time it happens.

Thanks again

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Stuck modifier keys is a very common occurrence (at least for me
with all
my
different versions of JAWS and hardware). It's been around since
JAWS 3.5
and my old HP pavilion with Windows 2000.

That said, it happens most often for me after using Openbook.

Your case is not unusual.

Don't reboot. Just alternately rapidly tap each of the modifier
keys one
at
a time. e.g. left alt, right alt, left alt right alt etc.
several times in
succession. Then do the same with control, shift, and the
windows keys.
If
you don't have one of these as a pair, just tap the individual
key
rapidly.

This sounds crazy but it does unstick the key.

It's not a mechanical problem. It's related to the key code
decoding in
the
JAWS processing. At least that's what FS support has said for
several
years.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 04:35
Subject: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi All,

Not sure how many of you have used Jaws for remote access, but I
would
appreciate any help.

When I'm signed on to my work computer via a vpn using remote
desktop,
occasionally the alt key seems to stick. That is whenever I
press any
key I first hear "alt" followed by the name of the key be that
up
arrow or whatever. The only way to unstick the alt key is to
reboot
the local computer.

Is there another method for resetting the keyboard and
unsticking the alt
key?

Thanks,
Kim

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Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Peter Holdstock <ptrholdstock@...>
 

Cheers John. Even you just talking to them about it might embaress them a little enough to get them to make the changes.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting for a new application

That is a great suggestion. I'll talk to FS about this.
John

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On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

There's a good idea John. WLM is used by many but has it's very silly querks
and it would be great if we could get an email client working perfectly well
with JAWS. I reckon it would only take you a day or so to fix everything as
much of it is stupid stuff like graphics not been labelled so the user has
to do it themselves so it will then identify unread messages, collapsed
conversations etc and the calendar function isn't ideal. Could be a quick
bit of work and create many happy JAWS users. That said I know I and many
others have repeatedly reported these issues to FS including during the JAWS
13 beta so hopefully they'll get off their backsides and fix them.

Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Hello,
Does anyone know if there are scripts for the new WLM?
I'm running Windows Vista and Jaws 11 and I just installed WLM. It seems as
if it is utilizing ribbons instead of a menu bar, so I'm stuck with a
not-so-good way of changing my settings. Also the spell check is horrible
because it just tells the word that it wants to change to, not the
misspelled word.
I don't think this problem was on the old Windows Live Mail but I don't know
how to get an earlier version of WLM.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Holdstock
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

I think all of us agree that John should get some recompense for his work
and I think many offered to pay something for the fnatastic Itunes scripts.
Perhaps having a paypal link on his site would be a good idea for voluntary
contributions although if he came up with realistic prices I'd be happy to
consider whether I need the product or not.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting for a new application

At the risk of starting a conflagration of controversy, I would like to
support the notion that John should get some remuneration for his hard work
-- even if he charged for scripts.
I know I would pay significantly for a set of scripts that made Google Docs
accessable, though I think that is not feasible.
The biggest single area of inaccessibility I encounter on my job is with
respect to on-line collaboration. I have clients who regularly send
invitations to go-to-meeting sessions where a document will be on the
screen, albeit from the client's computer. We will be on the phone
together, and sometimes the client will make edits he wants me to review,
and sometimes he will say simply, "Here, I'll give you control. Why don't
you revise this section on indemnification?"
I accomplish this only with the assistance of my sighted secretary. Without
her presence, I would be sunk.
Serotek has something called Accessable Event, but that really doesn't cut
it.
Again, this may be an application of limited applicability, but I run into
it all the time, and document collaboration is becoming more and more
popular. I hear ads for Go-To-Meeting almost every time I tune into XM
Radio, and note the popularity of Google Docs, not just because it is cheap,
but also because it offers collaboration.
This may simply be impossible and not everyone needs it, but if you need it,
you need it bad.


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On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application


Ok, so with most of the Office applications scripted for, not to
mention iTunes, and the various parts of Windows, what else would the
masses of unemployed blind folks with limitted incomes like access to?
With the basics that most people want to use daily covered, we're probably
going to move into more specialized applications that not as many people
require. If said application is something that some of us who work or are
trying to find work need access to, maybe we should donate a little cash to
John for his hard work and probably hundreds of hours spent scripting. Just
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Re: JAWS Kinesis keyboard layout

Dave...
 

Interesting. I use a MS Natural keyboard, which splits the right and left
hand groups with a slight tilt and spread -- very comfortable. However the
Kinesis seems to be an even more radical separation with a strong tilt.

I recall an admin years ago showing me her Kinesis and I was really
impressed. Her Kinesis had a very triangular shape to it, and you
manipulated it with your hands on each side, fingering the buttons almost
with your palms facing each other. Of course many of the buttons have to be
duplicated on each side to allow for reaching and I can see now that many of
the JAWS multiple-key combinations would require I use my toes to help.
After seeing her Kinesis I was never quite the same. I've never seen
another Kinesis like that one, so I guess they are pretty rare.

I saw on Amazon that you can get some variant of a Kinesis for anywhere
from $31 to $300, and one Kinesis even had a foot switch. I recall that her
Kinesis also had a foot switch, but I didn't investigate it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 14:20
Subject: Re: JAWS Kinesis keyboard layout


I found this in Jaws Help:
"For those of you who are using any of the Kinesis keyboards,
select kinesis as this implements the features of these keyboards."
So, then I searched Wikipedia for Kinesis Keyboards and found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesis_(keyboard)

Chris

At 01:37 PM 10/24/2011, you wrote:

Dear Friends,

In JAWS keyboard settings, we have three options - Desktop, Laptop
& Kinesis. While the first two keyboard settings are
self-explanatory, the Kinesis setting is not.

Kindly inform me as to when the Kinesis keyboard setting in JAWS
would be used. Also, is there any list of keystrokes for this
keyboard setting?

Thanking you all in advance for any & all assistance.

Regards
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Re: SMA

Roy Nickelson <roylee@...>
 

from the help menu choose update authorization then your about box should
show 2 then you can install jaws 13.
Roy

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Subject: SMA


In about jaws in my jaws 12 Help, it says I have 0 SMA. Actually I have 2.
Can I download jaws 13 and have this come out right, or must I call Freedom
Scientific to get straightened out?

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Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Peter Holdstock <ptrholdstock@...>
 

Do you need to be sighted to be able to script efficiently? I'm assuming it depends on what level the scripting is required i.e. at work we use an application which requires every form field on the scrreen to be input including it's location, size, type etc and that's the more basic stuff. I'm assuming to be able to do that you would physically need to be able to see the screen?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Kessler
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

This is an area that Rehab should have looked into a long time ago; funding
for small businesses to get their proprietary programs scripted. A lot of
money has been spent through schools to have people trained only to have
much unaccessible because of specialty programs.
Debbie, Chaz & Jessie
e-mail: jessesgirl@earthlink.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application



Ok, so with most of the Office applications scripted for, not to
mention iTunes, and the various parts of Windows, what else would
the masses of unemployed blind folks with limitted incomes like
access to?
With the basics that most people want to use daily covered, we're
probably going to move into more specialized applications that not
as many people require. If said application is something that some
of us who work or are trying to find work need access to, maybe we
should donate a little cash to John for his hard work and probably
hundreds of hours spent scripting. Just a thought. Of course, any
donations would be voluntary.





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Re: JAWS Kinesis keyboard layout

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

I found this in Jaws Help:
"For those of you who are using any of the Kinesis keyboards, select kinesis as this implements the features of these keyboards."
So, then I searched Wikipedia for Kinesis Keyboards and found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesis_(keyboard)

Chris

At 01:37 PM 10/24/2011, you wrote:

Dear Friends,

In JAWS keyboard settings, we have three options - Desktop, Laptop & Kinesis. While the first two keyboard settings are self-explanatory, the Kinesis setting is not.

Kindly inform me as to when the Kinesis keyboard setting in JAWS would be used. Also, is there any list of keystrokes for this keyboard setting?

Thanking you all in advance for any & all assistance.

Regards
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Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Debbie Kessler
 

This is an area that Rehab should have looked into a long time ago; funding
for small businesses to get their proprietary programs scripted. A lot of
money has been spent through schools to have people trained only to have
much unaccessible because of specialty programs.
Debbie, Chaz & Jessie
e-mail: jessesgirl@earthlink.net

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application



Ok, so with most of the Office applications scripted for, not to
mention iTunes, and the various parts of Windows, what else would
the masses of unemployed blind folks with limitted incomes like
access to?
With the basics that most people want to use daily covered, we're
probably going to move into more specialized applications that not
as many people require. If said application is something that some
of us who work or are trying to find work need access to, maybe we
should donate a little cash to John for his hard work and probably
hundreds of hours spent scripting. Just a thought. Of course, any
donations would be voluntary.





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Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

John Martyn
 

That is a great suggestion. I'll talk to FS about this.
John

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

There's a good idea John. WLM is used by many but has it's very silly querks
and it would be great if we could get an email client working perfectly well
with JAWS. I reckon it would only take you a day or so to fix everything as
much of it is stupid stuff like graphics not been labelled so the user has
to do it themselves so it will then identify unread messages, collapsed
conversations etc and the calendar function isn't ideal. Could be a quick
bit of work and create many happy JAWS users. That said I know I and many
others have repeatedly reported these issues to FS including during the JAWS
13 beta so hopefully they'll get off their backsides and fix them.

Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Hello,
Does anyone know if there are scripts for the new WLM?
I'm running Windows Vista and Jaws 11 and I just installed WLM. It seems as
if it is utilizing ribbons instead of a menu bar, so I'm stuck with a
not-so-good way of changing my settings. Also the spell check is horrible
because it just tells the word that it wants to change to, not the
misspelled word.
I don't think this problem was on the old Windows Live Mail but I don't know
how to get an earlier version of WLM.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Holdstock
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

I think all of us agree that John should get some recompense for his work
and I think many offered to pay something for the fnatastic Itunes scripts.
Perhaps having a paypal link on his site would be a good idea for voluntary
contributions although if he came up with realistic prices I'd be happy to
consider whether I need the product or not.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting for a new application

At the risk of starting a conflagration of controversy, I would like to
support the notion that John should get some remuneration for his hard work
-- even if he charged for scripts.
I know I would pay significantly for a set of scripts that made Google Docs
accessable, though I think that is not feasible.
The biggest single area of inaccessibility I encounter on my job is with
respect to on-line collaboration. I have clients who regularly send
invitations to go-to-meeting sessions where a document will be on the
screen, albeit from the client's computer. We will be on the phone
together, and sometimes the client will make edits he wants me to review,
and sometimes he will say simply, "Here, I'll give you control. Why don't
you revise this section on indemnification?"
I accomplish this only with the assistance of my sighted secretary. Without
her presence, I would be sunk.
Serotek has something called Accessable Event, but that really doesn't cut
it.
Again, this may be an application of limited applicability, but I run into
it all the time, and document collaboration is becoming more and more
popular. I hear ads for Go-To-Meeting almost every time I tune into XM
Radio, and note the popularity of Google Docs, not just because it is cheap,
but also because it offers collaboration.
This may simply be impossible and not everyone needs it, but if you need it,
you need it bad.


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On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application


Ok, so with most of the Office applications scripted for, not to
mention iTunes, and the various parts of Windows, what else would the
masses of unemployed blind folks with limitted incomes like access to?
With the basics that most people want to use daily covered, we're probably
going to move into more specialized applications that not as many people
require. If said application is something that some of us who work or are
trying to find work need access to, maybe we should donate a little cash to
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Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Debby Hill
 

Hi Kim,

I guess I never knew that you can't run two different versions and I just did it. Before JAWS 12 and once I made the changes that FS told me to make in each version I was running remotely, it worked. But now if I am running JAWS 12 on the local machine and something else on the remote machine I can get the problem back. That as you know is no fun!!

I will be interested to see if installing of JAWS 13 fixes it.

Debby

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:02:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Hi Debby,

I don't think I used the merge utility when I installed jaws 12, but
honestly I can't remember.

I thought you had to use the same versions of jaws on both the local
machine and the remote machine. Is that not the case? Why did I think
that?

I just downloaded jaws 13 so it will be interesting to see if the
sticky key problem is cleared up. I'll report back once I have time to
get everything installed and test it out.

Kim

On 10/24/11, Debby Hill <dm-hill@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Kimber,

I am sorry I left you in the lurch. I went off to have some
lunch.

Tech support at FS told me that they had fixed this problem in
JAWS 12., So I have a couple of thoughts. Did you use the merge
utility when you upgraded to JAWS 12, say from version 11. If
yes, then something to try might be to uninstall version 12 and
do a clean install of it and don't merge.

If you didn't use the merge utility, then I hate to say it but it
is probably time to call FS or send an e-mail to
support@freedomscientific.com. I reported the problem sometime
ago, but when I use remote desktop, I am sometimes using Jaws 12
on my local machine and JAWS 7 on the remote machine. This has to
do with the application I have to use on the remote machine.
(that's another shaggy dog story.)

I do know what you are talking about when you have the problem.
It is painful!! I usually try to see if I can unload JAWS on the
remote machine and reload it. It it a struggle, but I often end
up having to use Narrator.

Hope something of this helps. Let me know how it turns out.

Debby

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:32:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Hi Debby,

I have version 12 on both the local computer and on the server.

I don't see this sticky key problem in any application except
during
remote access sessions. But as I said, when it happens it screws
up an
entire session, rendering the keyboard virtually inoperable to
the
point that I can't even properly reboot the system but have to
turn it
off and back on again.

K

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Knowing that there is a problem has never been an issue for FS.
Owning up to their contribution to it, is another matter. They
have
traditionally blamed the Microsoft key handler as the real
problem, but I
don't hear my sighted colleagues ever mentioning sticky keys.

Go figure, and just consider how FS's Openbook leave behind a
sticky Control
key as a glaring indictment of the ownership.

You're right. After all these years, it would be easy for FS to
build in an
un-stick subroutine in their scripts or underlying code.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 07:13
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Thanks Dave. Hmm, interesting that they seem to know what causes
it
yet it hasn't been fixed in all these releases.

I'll try the key tap solution next time it happens.

Thanks again

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Stuck modifier keys is a very common occurrence (at least for me
with all
my
different versions of JAWS and hardware). It's been around since
JAWS 3.5
and my old HP pavilion with Windows 2000.

That said, it happens most often for me after using Openbook.

Your case is not unusual.

Don't reboot. Just alternately rapidly tap each of the modifier
keys one
at
a time. e.g. left alt, right alt, left alt right alt etc.
several times in
succession. Then do the same with control, shift, and the
windows keys.
If
you don't have one of these as a pair, just tap the individual
key
rapidly.

This sounds crazy but it does unstick the key.

It's not a mechanical problem. It's related to the key code
decoding in
the
JAWS processing. At least that's what FS support has said for
several
years.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 04:35
Subject: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi All,

Not sure how many of you have used Jaws for remote access, but I
would
appreciate any help.

When I'm signed on to my work computer via a vpn using remote
desktop,
occasionally the alt key seems to stick. That is whenever I
press any
key I first hear "alt" followed by the name of the key be that
up
arrow or whatever. The only way to unstick the alt key is to
reboot
the local computer.

Is there another method for resetting the keyboard and
unsticking the alt
key?

Thanks,
Kim

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Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Dave...
 

Hello Kim,

You can try just disabling the scripts for the remote sessions.

JAWS/Options/Manage Applications

Then uncheck the script(s) that relate to the remote sessions.

Then press Okay to save the changes.

This is very safe, and of course reversible later.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:02
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi Debby,

I don't think I used the merge utility when I installed jaws 12, but
honestly I can't remember.

I thought you had to use the same versions of jaws on both the local
machine and the remote machine. Is that not the case? Why did I think
that?

I just downloaded jaws 13 so it will be interesting to see if the
sticky key problem is cleared up. I'll report back once I have time to
get everything installed and test it out.

Kim

On 10/24/11, Debby Hill <dm-hill@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Kimber,

I am sorry I left you in the lurch. I went off to have some
lunch.

Tech support at FS told me that they had fixed this problem in
JAWS 12., So I have a couple of thoughts. Did you use the merge
utility when you upgraded to JAWS 12, say from version 11. If
yes, then something to try might be to uninstall version 12 and
do a clean install of it and don't merge.

If you didn't use the merge utility, then I hate to say it but it
is probably time to call FS or send an e-mail to
support@freedomscientific.com. I reported the problem sometime
ago, but when I use remote desktop, I am sometimes using Jaws 12
on my local machine and JAWS 7 on the remote machine. This has to
do with the application I have to use on the remote machine.
(that's another shaggy dog story.)

I do know what you are talking about when you have the problem.
It is painful!! I usually try to see if I can unload JAWS on the
remote machine and reload it. It it a struggle, but I often end
up having to use Narrator.

Hope something of this helps. Let me know how it turns out.

Debby

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:32:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Hi Debby,

I have version 12 on both the local computer and on the server.

I don't see this sticky key problem in any application except
during
remote access sessions. But as I said, when it happens it screws
up an
entire session, rendering the keyboard virtually inoperable to
the
point that I can't even properly reboot the system but have to
turn it
off and back on again.

K

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Knowing that there is a problem has never been an issue for FS.
Owning up to their contribution to it, is another matter. They
have
traditionally blamed the Microsoft key handler as the real
problem, but I
don't hear my sighted colleagues ever mentioning sticky keys.

Go figure, and just consider how FS's Openbook leave behind a
sticky Control
key as a glaring indictment of the ownership.

You're right. After all these years, it would be easy for FS to
build in an
un-stick subroutine in their scripts or underlying code.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 07:13
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Thanks Dave. Hmm, interesting that they seem to know what causes
it
yet it hasn't been fixed in all these releases.

I'll try the key tap solution next time it happens.

Thanks again

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Stuck modifier keys is a very common occurrence (at least for me
with all
my
different versions of JAWS and hardware). It's been around since
JAWS 3.5
and my old HP pavilion with Windows 2000.

That said, it happens most often for me after using Openbook.

Your case is not unusual.

Don't reboot. Just alternately rapidly tap each of the modifier
keys one
at
a time. e.g. left alt, right alt, left alt right alt etc.
several times in
succession. Then do the same with control, shift, and the
windows keys.
If
you don't have one of these as a pair, just tap the individual
key
rapidly.

This sounds crazy but it does unstick the key.

It's not a mechanical problem. It's related to the key code
decoding in
the
JAWS processing. At least that's what FS support has said for
several
years.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 04:35
Subject: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi All,

Not sure how many of you have used Jaws for remote access, but I
would
appreciate any help.

When I'm signed on to my work computer via a vpn using remote
desktop,
occasionally the alt key seems to stick. That is whenever I
press any
key I first hear "alt" followed by the name of the key be that
up
arrow or whatever. The only way to unstick the alt key is to
reboot
the local computer.

Is there another method for resetting the keyboard and
unsticking the alt
key?

Thanks,
Kim

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Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Kimber Gardner
 

Hi Debby,

I don't think I used the merge utility when I installed jaws 12, but
honestly I can't remember.

I thought you had to use the same versions of jaws on both the local
machine and the remote machine. Is that not the case? Why did I think
that?

I just downloaded jaws 13 so it will be interesting to see if the
sticky key problem is cleared up. I'll report back once I have time to
get everything installed and test it out.

Kim

On 10/24/11, Debby Hill <dm-hill@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Kimber,

I am sorry I left you in the lurch. I went off to have some
lunch.

Tech support at FS told me that they had fixed this problem in
JAWS 12., So I have a couple of thoughts. Did you use the merge
utility when you upgraded to JAWS 12, say from version 11. If
yes, then something to try might be to uninstall version 12 and
do a clean install of it and don't merge.

If you didn't use the merge utility, then I hate to say it but it
is probably time to call FS or send an e-mail to
support@freedomscientific.com. I reported the problem sometime
ago, but when I use remote desktop, I am sometimes using Jaws 12
on my local machine and JAWS 7 on the remote machine. This has to
do with the application I have to use on the remote machine.
(that's another shaggy dog story.)

I do know what you are talking about when you have the problem.
It is painful!! I usually try to see if I can unload JAWS on the
remote machine and reload it. It it a struggle, but I often end
up having to use Narrator.

Hope something of this helps. Let me know how it turns out.

Debby

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:32:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access

Hi Debby,

I have version 12 on both the local computer and on the server.

I don't see this sticky key problem in any application except
during
remote access sessions. But as I said, when it happens it screws
up an
entire session, rendering the keyboard virtually inoperable to
the
point that I can't even properly reboot the system but have to
turn it
off and back on again.

K

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Knowing that there is a problem has never been an issue for FS.
Owning up to their contribution to it, is another matter. They
have
traditionally blamed the Microsoft key handler as the real
problem, but I
don't hear my sighted colleagues ever mentioning sticky keys.

Go figure, and just consider how FS's Openbook leave behind a
sticky Control
key as a glaring indictment of the ownership.

You're right. After all these years, it would be easy for FS to
build in an
un-stick subroutine in their scripts or underlying code.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 07:13
Subject: Re: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Thanks Dave. Hmm, interesting that they seem to know what causes
it
yet it hasn't been fixed in all these releases.

I'll try the key tap solution next time it happens.

Thanks again

On 10/24/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Kimber,

Stuck modifier keys is a very common occurrence (at least for me
with all
my
different versions of JAWS and hardware). It's been around since
JAWS 3.5
and my old HP pavilion with Windows 2000.

That said, it happens most often for me after using Openbook.

Your case is not unusual.

Don't reboot. Just alternately rapidly tap each of the modifier
keys one
at
a time. e.g. left alt, right alt, left alt right alt etc.
several times in
succession. Then do the same with control, shift, and the
windows keys.
If
you don't have one of these as a pair, just tap the individual
key
rapidly.

This sounds crazy but it does unstick the key.

It's not a mechanical problem. It's related to the key code
decoding in
the
JAWS processing. At least that's what FS support has said for
several
years.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco
Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 04:35
Subject: Weird keyboard behavior during remote access


Hi All,

Not sure how many of you have used Jaws for remote access, but I
would
appreciate any help.

When I'm signed on to my work computer via a vpn using remote
desktop,
occasionally the alt key seems to stick. That is whenever I
press any
key I first hear "alt" followed by the name of the key be that
up
arrow or whatever. The only way to unstick the alt key is to
reboot
the local computer.

Is there another method for resetting the keyboard and
unsticking the alt
key?

Thanks,
Kim

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Re: JAWS Scripting for a new application

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Hi Dave.
Ok, your point is well-taken. I guess I'll amend my comment to say that if you were going to learn a first programming language, Jaws scripting would be an easy one, compared to say C, especially with the Script manager and other things helping you generate the necessary code.

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