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Re: Using Microsoft Narrator to download and install JAWS

Soronel Haetir
 

I am pretty sure win+enter does _not_ work on win7, IIRC it's win+u
there,, though that may just bring up the accessibility center with
speech enabled. If win+u does not start narrator I know the
accessibility center can do so.

On 7/13/16, Page, Aaron <Aaron.Page@mso.umt.edu> wrote:
Keith,

Not 100% sure if this works in Windows 7 or not, but you can give it a try.
Narrator was beefed up in Windows 10, and I know these steps would work on
Windows 10:

Press the Windows Key + Enter simultaneously to start Narrator. This works
at the login screen in Windows 10.
Hold down Caps Lock and use the left/right arrow keys to move between
objects/buttons/controls. This works at the login screen and on web pages.

I was able to use Narrator in this fashion to login, download, and install
JAWS on a new Windows 10 installation. However, Narrator was far less
sophisticated in Windows 7 so this may not work.

I hope this helps!

Regards,
Aaron M. Page, B.S.
EIT Accessibility Specialist
Accessible Technology Services, University of Montana
Phone: (406) 243-2082
E-mail: aaron.page@umontana.edu
[Title: JAWS Certified, 2015 -
Description:]<http://www.freedomscientific.com/certification>


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Microsoft Narrator to download and install JAWS

Hi,

I have 2 new computers with Windows 7 Pro that do not yet have a screen
reader.

I think I'll need to use Microsoft Narrator to gain Administrative
privileges to download and install JAWS.

Do you think this will work? How can I activate Narrator? Any advice on
practical use within Narrator will be much appreciated.

Is there any way to activate Narrator from the Login Screen? I doubt it, but
thought I'd ask.

Best,
Keith

--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Using Microsoft Narrator to download and install JAWS

Page, Aaron
 

Keith,

 

Not 100% sure if this works in Windows 7 or not, but you can give it a try. Narrator was beefed up in Windows 10, and I know these steps would work on Windows 10:

 

Press the Windows Key + Enter simultaneously to start Narrator. This works at the login screen in Windows 10.

Hold down Caps Lock and use the left/right arrow keys to move between objects/buttons/controls. This works at the login screen and on web pages.  

 

I was able to use Narrator in this fashion to login, download, and install JAWS on a new Windows 10 installation. However, Narrator was far less sophisticated in Windows 7 so this may not work.  

 

I hope this helps!  

 

Regards,

Aaron M. Page, B.S.

EIT Accessibility Specialist

Accessible Technology Services, University of Montana

Phone: (406) 243-2082

E-mail: aaron.page@...

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Microsoft Narrator to download and install JAWS

 

Hi,

 

I have 2 new computers with Windows 7 Pro that do not yet have a screen reader.

 

I think I’ll need to use Microsoft Narrator to gain Administrative  privileges to download and install JAWS.

 

Do you think this will work? How can I activate Narrator? Any advice on practical use within Narrator will be much appreciated.

 

Is there any way to activate Narrator from the Login Screen? I doubt it, but thought I’d ask.

 

Best,

Keith


Re: Using Microsoft Narrator to download and install JAWS

Mario
 

I think the easiest way is to press the windows key+r, type narrator and press enter. I don't know if it can be set to load at the login screen.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 4:46 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Microsoft Narrator to download and install JAWS

Hi,



I have 2 new computers with Windows 7 Pro that do not yet have a screen
reader.



I think I’ll need to use Microsoft Narrator to gain Administrative
privileges to download and install JAWS.



Do you think this will work? How can I activate Narrator? Any advice on
practical use within Narrator will be much appreciated.



Is there any way to activate Narrator from the Login Screen? I doubt it,
but thought I’d ask.



Best,

Keith


Re: Using Microsoft Narrator to download and install JAWS

Soronel Haetir
 

I know it works on win 8, 8.1 and 10. I'm not sure that win 7's
narrator is robust enough to manage it (the hardest step is using it
with internet explorer to perform the actual download, everything else
is trivial).

On 7/13/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I have 2 new computers with Windows 7 Pro that do not yet have a screen
reader.

I think I'll need to use Microsoft Narrator to gain Administrative
privileges to download and install JAWS.

Do you think this will work? How can I activate Narrator? Any advice on
practical use within Narrator will be much appreciated.

Is there any way to activate Narrator from the Login Screen? I doubt it, but
thought I'd ask.

Best,
Keith
--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Using Microsoft Narrator to download and install JAWS

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Hi,

 

I have 2 new computers with Windows 7 Pro that do not yet have a screen reader.

 

I think I’ll need to use Microsoft Narrator to gain Administrative  privileges to download and install JAWS.

 

Do you think this will work? How can I activate Narrator? Any advice on practical use within Narrator will be much appreciated.

 

Is there any way to activate Narrator from the Login Screen? I doubt it, but thought I’d ask.

 

Best,

Keith


Jaws keyboard help

Mark Furness
 

I know that jaws key plus 1 turns it on/off.
However when on it does not say all the keys on my assus laptop.
I also thought it stops the pressed keys from being passed through.
Not true with the power on/off key..
It does not state the button left key on num pad either.


Re: what is application mode?

Mario
 

thanks Aaron.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Page, Aaron [mailto:Aaron.Page@mso.umt.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 10:52 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: what is application mode?

Hi Ann,

Application Mode is a mode that JAWS will enter when it begins to interact with a web application. Application Mode is designed to treat the web application as if it were a typical Windows-based program, and not as a web page. The advantage to this is that application-specific keyboard shortcuts will work without the need to use the JAWS pass-through, the disadvantage is that typical JAWS keyboard shortcuts (i.e. "H" for headings, "B" for buttons) will not work as these keystrokes are now being passed through JAWS to the application.

When using web applications that trigger JAWS' Application Mode, it is usually very helpful to learn keyboard shortcuts that are specific to the application in order to effectively navigate and use the application. You should also have some success (if the application is accessible) navigating the web application using tab and the arrow keys.

You can usually tell that you are entering an application as JAWS will announce "Application", and upon pressing Enter you should hear JAWS beep as if it just entered a form. The most frustrating thing about application mode (in my opinion) is the difficulty in getting back out of the application. I usually will press Insert+Z to set the Virtual PC Cursor to off, and then press Insert+Z again to turn the Virtual PC Cursor back on. After turning off and back on the Virtual PC Cursor you should again be able to use normal JAWS keyboard shortcuts. If anyone on-list knows a better way to exit applications mode, I would love to hear it.

You can practice using applications mode on this page: https://www.tinymce.com/. If you press "R" to move through the regions you will encounter the application region, at which point you can press Enter to enter applications mode and begin interacting with the application. This example is an HTML text editor called TinyMCE, which is a commonly used editor that uses an application region and is relatively accessible.

Hope this helps!

Regards,
Aaron M. Page, B.S.
EIT Accessibility Specialist
Accessible Technology Services, University of Montana
Phone: (406) 243-2082
E-mail: aaron.page@umontana.edu



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: what is application mode?

What is application mode, and how does it affect what I am doing?

Thanks,


Re: what is application mode?

Mario
 

Ann, do you mean when in a form? I think it may mean the absence of being in an interactive mode. for example, when you come to an edit box, you need to enter forms mode before typing in whatever is needed and return to application mode so you can resume your interaction with what's on the screen, such as working with another control or just reviewing.

if I'm not on track, I'd like to be corrected.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 9:53 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: what is application mode?

Ann, I don't know what you mean by Application Mode", can you expand on
what you're asking about?

------- Original Message --------
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 8:52 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: what is application mode?

What is application mode, and how does it affect what I am doing?

Thanks,


Re: what is application mode?

Page, Aaron
 

Hi Ann,

Application Mode is a mode that JAWS will enter when it begins to interact with a web application. Application Mode is designed to treat the web application as if it were a typical Windows-based program, and not as a web page. The advantage to this is that application-specific keyboard shortcuts will work without the need to use the JAWS pass-through, the disadvantage is that typical JAWS keyboard shortcuts (i.e. "H" for headings, "B" for buttons) will not work as these keystrokes are now being passed through JAWS to the application.

When using web applications that trigger JAWS' Application Mode, it is usually very helpful to learn keyboard shortcuts that are specific to the application in order to effectively navigate and use the application. You should also have some success (if the application is accessible) navigating the web application using tab and the arrow keys.

You can usually tell that you are entering an application as JAWS will announce "Application", and upon pressing Enter you should hear JAWS beep as if it just entered a form. The most frustrating thing about application mode (in my opinion) is the difficulty in getting back out of the application. I usually will press Insert+Z to set the Virtual PC Cursor to off, and then press Insert+Z again to turn the Virtual PC Cursor back on. After turning off and back on the Virtual PC Cursor you should again be able to use normal JAWS keyboard shortcuts. If anyone on-list knows a better way to exit applications mode, I would love to hear it.

You can practice using applications mode on this page: https://www.tinymce.com/. If you press "R" to move through the regions you will encounter the application region, at which point you can press Enter to enter applications mode and begin interacting with the application. This example is an HTML text editor called TinyMCE, which is a commonly used editor that uses an application region and is relatively accessible.

Hope this helps!

Regards,
Aaron M. Page, B.S.
EIT Accessibility Specialist
Accessible Technology Services, University of Montana
Phone: (406) 243-2082
E-mail: aaron.page@umontana.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: what is application mode?

What is application mode, and how does it affect what I am doing?

Thanks,


Re: what is application mode?

larelishumate@...
 

I am, can you explain a little bit more about what you are talking about?
Laura



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On Jul 13, 2016, at 8:52 AM, "Ann Byrne" <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

What is application mode, and how does it affect what I am doing?

Thanks,




Re: what is application mode?

Mario
 

Ann, I don't know what you mean by Application Mode", can you expand on what you're asking about?

------- Original Message --------
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 8:52 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: what is application mode?

What is application mode, and how does it affect what I am doing?

Thanks,


what is application mode?

Ann Byrne
 

What is application mode, and how does it affect what I am doing?

Thanks,


Re: Replacing older computer. What to do about installing JAWS?

larelishumate@...
 

I list, I heard a long time ago that you could only have licenses for three computers. Is this true? Because somebody had mentioned on this list that they use on it on five computers.
Laura



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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:55 PM, "Mike B." <mb69mach1@...> wrote:

Hi Keith,
 
From what Freedom Scientific has told me, you can have Jaws installed on several computers as long as they belong to you.  I have several versions of Jaws installed onto 5 different computers, & have never had a problem, except for running out of activation keys, which FS always reset my count.  So in short, don't worry about it, go ahead & install, & if you get a message stating you don't have any activation keys left call this number, explain the situation, & they'll be more than happy to reset your activation keys.  Call:  Activation: 1-727-803-8015.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Replacing older computer. What to do about installing JAWS?

Keith,

         When I've needed to do this I've called Freedom Scientific Technical Support.  Typically I didn't even have to uninstall if I was willing to say (and I meant it) that the old machine was being completely retired and/or recycled.  You can, of course, uninstall.

         Typically, if they have this information from the user, they will reset your license to allow a replacement installation on the new hardware.

--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Replacing older computer. What to do about installing JAWS?

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Keith,
 
From what Freedom Scientific has told me, you can have Jaws installed on several computers as long as they belong to you.  I have several versions of Jaws installed onto 5 different computers, & have never had a problem, except for running out of activation keys, which FS always reset my count.  So in short, don't worry about it, go ahead & install, & if you get a message stating you don't have any activation keys left call this number, explain the situation, & they'll be more than happy to reset your activation keys.  Call:  Activation: 1-727-803-8015.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Replacing older computer. What to do about installing JAWS?

Keith,

         When I've needed to do this I've called Freedom Scientific Technical Support.  Typically I didn't even have to uninstall if I was willing to say (and I meant it) that the old machine was being completely retired and/or recycled.  You can, of course, uninstall.

         Typically, if they have this information from the user, they will reset your license to allow a replacement installation on the new hardware.

--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Replacing older computer. What to do about installing JAWS?

 

Keith,

         When I've needed to do this I've called Freedom Scientific Technical Support.  Typically I didn't even have to uninstall if I was willing to say (and I meant it) that the old machine was being completely retired and/or recycled.  You can, of course, uninstall.

         Typically, if they have this information from the user, they will reset your license to allow a replacement installation on the new hardware.

--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Replacing older computer. What to do about installing JAWS?

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

HI,

 

I’m replacing an older computer, a laptop.

 

Is there a process I should follow that will permit me to install JAWS on the new machine? I have JAWS also installed on my desktop, and I understand installation is only permitted on 2 computers.

 

I’m aware with other programs, that one must deactivate or uninstall the program on the older computer to allow installation on its replacement.

 

I’ll appreciate any guidance.

 

Keith


Re: More complicated search and replace situations

Gudrun Brunot
 

Excellent, Brian. I've actually read about search and replace and special characters, but I wasn't sure I understood it right. Your explanation makes it crystal clear.



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 3:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: More complicated search and replace situations

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:17 am, Gudrun Brunot wrote: "what I want to do is: search for right brace followed by any letter followed by colon followed by end quote followed by any letter followed by right brace."

Gudrun,

The search string you're looking for is: \{*:"*\}

Just to explain, since the curly brace is actually a character used as part of wildcard strings for other purposes, if you want to use one as a literal to search for you must prefix it with a backslash, which is referred to escaping the character. This is true for the other special characters, e.g., the question mark, which is normally used to denote any single character, but if you want to search for the question mark character you must escape it. If you look at the page I posted the link to previously the various special characters that are employed as part of wildcard strings, rather than being taken literally unless escaped, are shown and discussed at length.

So in the above search string, it searches for literal left curly brace followed by any number of random characters, with those random characters then followed by a colon and a double quotation mark, then followed by any number of characters terminated by a literal right curly brace.

You can use whatever you'd like as your replace string. I often use some really odd character, like the tilde, just because those are much easier to find afterward than, say space, and easier to replace with whatever you'd like. Of course, I only do this if there is some question as to what might get replaced. If you're positive that the format you specified is only going to match what you think it should then replace it with whatever makes sense to you.

--

Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James


Re: More complicated search and replace situations

 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:17 am, Gudrun Brunot wrote:  "what I want to do is: search for right brace followed by any letter followed by colon followed by end quote followed by any letter followed by right brace."

Gudrun,

The search string you're looking for is:   \{*:"*\}

Just to explain, since the curly brace is actually a character used as part of wildcard strings for other purposes, if you want to use one as a literal to search for you must prefix it with a backslash, which is referred to escaping the character.  This is true for the other special characters, e.g., the question mark, which is normally used to denote any single character, but if you want to search for the question mark character you must escape it.  If you look at the page I posted the link to previously the various special characters that are employed as part of wildcard strings, rather than being taken literally unless escaped, are shown and discussed at length.

So in the above search string, it searches for literal left curly brace followed by any number of random characters, with those random characters then followed by a colon and a double quotation mark, then followed by any number of characters terminated by a literal right curly brace.

You can use whatever you'd like as your replace string.  I often use some really odd character, like the tilde, just because those are much easier to find afterward than, say space, and easier to replace with whatever you'd like.  Of course, I only do this if there is some question as to what might get replaced.  If you're positive that the format you specified is only going to match what you think it should then replace it with whatever makes sense to you.

-- 

Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Microsoft word 2007, and replacing tabs with a space.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

That makes sense. Thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft word 2007, and replacing tabs with a space.

Carolyn: the reason you'd replace tab with space is that, in some instances, words would be strung together. So, the next thing to do to tighten things up, is to replace space space with space. This way, the few instances of two spaces inside a sentence would be fixed.

Contro-h, replace caret t with space, alt-a for replace all.



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft word 2007, and replacing tabs with a space.

I just need to ask why one would replace a tab with a space. I haven't kept up with the thread, but it keeps appearing, so I'm wondering what is the reason, and if it is a good one, if someone would repeat what has to be done to accomplish the task. Thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 10:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft word 2007, and replacing tabs with a space.

Bill,

I don't know why that click-through link would be considered too long, as that's what the tinyurl version gets replaced with. Interesting.

I can access that page whether or not I'm logged in to a Microsoft Account. I've never known of a Microsoft support page that doesn't allow open access.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James


Re: Microsoft word 2007, and replacing tabs with a space.

Gudrun Brunot
 

Carolyn: the reason you'd replace tab with space is that, in some instances, words would be strung together. So, the next thing to do to tighten things up, is to replace space space with space. This way, the few instances of two spaces inside a sentence would be fixed.

Contro-h, replace caret t with space, alt-a for replace all.



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft word 2007, and replacing tabs with a space.

I just need to ask why one would replace a tab with a space. I haven't kept up with the thread, but it keeps appearing, so I'm wondering what is the reason, and if it is a good one, if someone would repeat what has to be done to accomplish the task. Thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 10:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft word 2007, and replacing tabs with a space.

Bill,

I don't know why that click-through link would be considered too long, as that's what the tinyurl version gets replaced with. Interesting.

I can access that page whether or not I'm logged in to a Microsoft Account. I've never known of a Microsoft support page that doesn't allow open access.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James