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Re: Jaws in a call center environment

dave grossoehme
 

First of all you need to take each company in to account as to what applications they are using. When you have answered this question take the next step and see what will be needed to make Jaws work with these applications.
Your Friend Dave


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From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:50 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws in a call center environment

Hi there. I've been thinking about getting into this line of work as well. I graduated a couple certificates in medical transcribing, but the market really fell out of that because of voice recognition, computers in the doctor's office, etc. I figured that working in a call center type of environment would be a good switch. I'm working with VR in Wisconsin and a job development person, but them and I are all stumped on the issues of Jaws customization, adaptations, etc. There sems to be little info on the net regarding what it takes to have blind people work in this type of environment. We have at least 1 or 2 distributers of Jaws, but nto sure if they do customization work like this. Where should I point the people I'm working with to hpefully make them better able to help me?

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hill" <rhill35@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws in a call center environment


I work in such a setting. We have my phone and computer audio connected through a device. I have been helped trememndously by our in-house tech staff in consultation with the local JAWS distributor to have JAWS workable with or on-line data base. It's taken a lot of customizing, despite the software producer's insistance that the program is JAWs-Ffriendly.

Good luck.

Rob Hill CIRSt--Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

Never tried working from home, although we floated the idea a while
back. The hang up was not JFW, but the soft phone arrangement. I
needed some sort of one-touch option for answering. By the time one
switched to the appropriate app, and fumbled for the JAWS cursor, that
call would be gone to voice mail. We never got the problem resolved, so
here I remain with my huge VOIP telephone with the easily accessible
buttons. This was to have been a contingency plan for bad weather, as I
work 50 miles from home.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:49 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

Ted, thanks for responding. I'd be interested to know how well JFW
works in
a work from home virtual call center environment. I've seen jobs
available
with Alpine Access. I tried working with Cloud 10, and that didn't work
well at all. If you'd be so kind, I'd like to know first how to find
jobs
with companies that have software that works with jaws, and how JFW
works in
these situations.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

You'd better know it. I've been a Medicaid customer service rep and
trouble shooter since 1994, and a JAWS user since April, 1997. I'd be
glad to talk with you off list at either this address or
Tlisle@juno.com.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws in a call center environment

Hi folks! I wanted to ask if anyone has ever used jaws in a call center
work environment. I may be taking a job soon that requires me to work
in a virtual call center. I'm really interested to see how jaws reacts.
Anyone ever had experience with this before?
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Re: What to do about XP machines

Marsha <marcatony@...>
 

HI
Since XP has been around for a while, how do we know that Windows 7 won't
be around after Windows 8 is released. Sounds like hype for selling new
products.

Marsha


Re: access with jaws

Ann Byrne
 

See the link below. One great things is that Thunder can run from a flash drive without adding *anything to the computer.
http://www.screenreader.net/

At 03:09 PM 10/21/2011, you wrote:
The other one mentioned here won't; got a URL?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: access with jaws

Interestingly, the free thunder screen reader will read the text in
an Access field.
At 04:53 PM 10/20/2011, you wrote:
If you doubt whether Access is supported, check out the key strokes
for it under JAWS help. Most of them say "not available with access
2007". and of course that means 2007 and higher.


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Re: What to do about XP machines

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

I don't have any details but I know it won't work with jaws as it
currently is maybe not even with jaws 13 and not at all with older
jaws like previous windows versions did with old and new jaws. There's
something some mirroring thing used in windows which is assential for
jaws to work and microsoft didn't use this mirroring thing in windows
8 and apparently jaws rely on it quite a lot. As far as I've heard it
will take a total redesign of jaws to make it work with win8. I know
that the free screen reader NVDA is already very accessible with win8,
they are already doing beta testing and adapting it and there's only
some stuff that's not working think the other day they said it's about
90% accessible. As for getting hold of win7 when 8 is out, yes if
microsoft continues as it does at the moment it won't be a problem As
for you saying we'll get it if windows 8 is not accessible, just
remember we are nothing to microsoft, they'll make no exceptions to a
bunch of blind users which makes out 0.000000001% of their user base
they can do without our money and won't give a damm about us not
beeing able to use windows 8.

On 10/21/11, Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm hoping Windows 8 will be accessible when it's finally officially
released. I don't know. Have you heard anything one way or the other? I
don't think we'll have too much trouble getting Win 7, especially if there's
no good access for 8.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Ok I get what you guys are saying why fix something if it aint broken
and if it works for you I guess I'm just somewhat of a tech junky I
like the latest and the gratest if it works for me of caurse. I wasn't
implying that win7 would be the last accessible windows I only ment
that win8 won't be accessible imidietly and microsoft may stop people
from buying win7 once 8 is out and if you have a problem then, or have
to upgrade from xp then you're basically screwed. It is unlikely that
microsoft will stop you from buying 7 once 8 is out but you never
know, a lot of companies stop you from buying older versions of
software once the newer versions gets released, they force people to
buy the latest versions. Microsoft didn't do this in the past, we can
still go out and buy xp, vista or even win 98 if you can find it but
you never know they might change their tune.

On 10/21/11, Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree Ted. And as someone who uses Total Recorder daily to record TV
shows
etc, I'm much better off with XP than with 7. Besides, Nickus actually
makes
good arguments against his own position. He admits that 8 will be out
soon.
So why get 7? I could be wrong, but I assume 7 won't be the last
accessible
Windows version. He also says: "one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems". That's true, but it's not
happening yet with anything I'm running. So why anticipate it? And some
programs, such as the one I mentioned, Total Recorder, run better under
XP. To me, the only reasons to upgrade are if you're running something
that doesn't work well on XP, or buying a new computer, because Unless
you

build it yourself, it will come with an OS, and that will be 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines


I don't feel a burning need to explain my buying decisions, but I guess
I figure if it's not broken don't fix it. I don't usually do what the
industry tells me, but rather what works. It has nothing to do with 7,
which I would probably enjoy, from all I've read; it has everything to
do with losing a convenient configuration to a total reformat. I think
Tech Republic had a piece a while back on an upgrade scheme involving a
dual boot arrangement. Once there, after making sure everything works,
simply remove the old OS. If HP offered an OEM version, I might
consider that, but there's no such animal.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

I personally don't know why people is still clinging to xp. I never
had problems with windows 7 and have been using it since its beta days
and it's really not such a big learning curve. If I were you guys
rather upgrade to windows 7 now before 8 comes out because right now
not even jaws 13 will work with windows 8 not even mentioning older
jaws versions and once windows 8 is out it might be difficult to get
hold of a copy of 7. I look at it this way, the world is moving on, so
should I. Adapt or die if technology moves on we as disabled people
can't stay behind. Plus, one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems, the developers won't put in
effort to make it work on a old windows version, if it works cool but
if not they won't brake their backs in trying to make it work.

On 10/19/11, Lisle, Ted <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
After reading the list of fixes, I've decided to take the plunge
again,
but I'm not going to go to the trouble until the product release. I
was
wondering if service packs might make a difference. I don't remember
what I have at home; it's 2 here. As I recall the differences between
2
and 3 were supposed to be insignificant, and good luck finding a
service
pack for XP now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:46 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

I have used JAWS 11, 12 and 13 on a Windows XP pro machine with Office
2007.
I haven't really had any problems especially since I got my newer
machine.
I did have the problem with Excel 2007, but I was able to fix that.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Any of you guys using Office 2007 or later with XP Pro? Please
contact
me off list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robert Westfall
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Same here Jaws 12 latest build on an xp pro sp3 machine. All working
just
fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

Running JFW12 on an XP/SP3 machine with no difficulties.
Pat ByrneAt 11:38 AM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Ok, Steve. ... Thanks for the response.

I'm going to play it cool for a while here and see what other feedback
I
get.

Actually, I think my time and energy this week will be spent getting
Jaws 12 up and running on the new Windows 7 laptop the University
will be giving me, so the XP thing can wait for a bit.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I
am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I
still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS
11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches
us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still
an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at
home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they
are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which
seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with
my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7
laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Setting up jaws on a Server.

Mike Mote <mikemote@...>
 

Hi folks! I wondered if anyone here has had to set up jaws on a server for their work, and how easy it is to do? I may run into this issue at some point, and would like some advice and some problems to watch out for. Solutions to said problems would also be nice. Thanks very much.
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Re: Jaws in a call center environment

David Hardingham
 

Try calling the Olmstead Center for Sight in Buffalo New york and ask about their call center training program.

It is a seven week on site program that will train you to do as you wish and they have job placement.

Phone 716 882 5690.

David Hardingham

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Harding
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 4:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws in a call center environment

Hi there. I've been thinking about getting into this line of work as well. I
graduated a couple certificates in medical transcribing, but the market
really fell out of that because of voice recognition, computers in the
doctor's office, etc. I figured that working in a call center type of
environment would be a good switch. I'm working with VR in Wisconsin and a
job development person, but them and I are all stumped on the issues of Jaws
customization, adaptations, etc. There sems to be little info on the net
regarding what it takes to have blind people work in this type of
environment. We have at least 1 or 2 distributers of Jaws, but nto sure if
they do customization work like this. Where should I point the people I'm
working with to hpefully make them better able to help me?

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hill" <rhill35@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws in a call center environment


I work in such a setting. We have my phone and computer audio connected through a device. I have been helped trememndously by our in-house tech staff in consultation with the local JAWS distributor to have JAWS workable with or on-line data base. It's taken a lot of customizing, despite the software producer's insistance that the program is JAWs-Ffriendly.

Good luck.

Rob Hill CIRSt--Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

Never tried working from home, although we floated the idea a while
back. The hang up was not JFW, but the soft phone arrangement. I
needed some sort of one-touch option for answering. By the time one
switched to the appropriate app, and fumbled for the JAWS cursor, that
call would be gone to voice mail. We never got the problem resolved, so
here I remain with my huge VOIP telephone with the easily accessible
buttons. This was to have been a contingency plan for bad weather, as I
work 50 miles from home.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:49 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

Ted, thanks for responding. I'd be interested to know how well JFW
works in
a work from home virtual call center environment. I've seen jobs
available
with Alpine Access. I tried working with Cloud 10, and that didn't work
well at all. If you'd be so kind, I'd like to know first how to find
jobs
with companies that have software that works with jaws, and how JFW
works in
these situations.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

You'd better know it. I've been a Medicaid customer service rep and
trouble shooter since 1994, and a JAWS user since April, 1997. I'd be
glad to talk with you off list at either this address or
Tlisle@juno.com.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws in a call center environment

Hi folks! I wanted to ask if anyone has ever used jaws in a call center
work environment. I may be taking a job soon that requires me to work
in a virtual call center. I'm really interested to see how jaws reacts.
Anyone ever had experience with this before?
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Re: Jaws in a call center environment

Brent Harding
 

Hi there. I've been thinking about getting into this line of work as well. I graduated a couple certificates in medical transcribing, but the market really fell out of that because of voice recognition, computers in the doctor's office, etc. I figured that working in a call center type of environment would be a good switch. I'm working with VR in Wisconsin and a job development person, but them and I are all stumped on the issues of Jaws customization, adaptations, etc. There sems to be little info on the net regarding what it takes to have blind people work in this type of environment. We have at least 1 or 2 distributers of Jaws, but nto sure if they do customization work like this. Where should I point the people I'm working with to hpefully make them better able to help me?

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hill" <rhill35@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws in a call center environment


I work in such a setting. We have my phone and computer audio connected through a device. I have been helped trememndously by our in-house tech staff in consultation with the local JAWS distributor to have JAWS workable with or on-line data base. It's taken a lot of customizing, despite the software producer's insistance that the program is JAWs-Ffriendly.

Good luck.

Rob Hill CIRSt--Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

Never tried working from home, although we floated the idea a while
back. The hang up was not JFW, but the soft phone arrangement. I
needed some sort of one-touch option for answering. By the time one
switched to the appropriate app, and fumbled for the JAWS cursor, that
call would be gone to voice mail. We never got the problem resolved, so
here I remain with my huge VOIP telephone with the easily accessible
buttons. This was to have been a contingency plan for bad weather, as I
work 50 miles from home.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:49 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

Ted, thanks for responding. I'd be interested to know how well JFW
works in
a work from home virtual call center environment. I've seen jobs
available
with Alpine Access. I tried working with Cloud 10, and that didn't work
well at all. If you'd be so kind, I'd like to know first how to find
jobs
with companies that have software that works with jaws, and how JFW
works in
these situations.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws in a call center environment

You'd better know it. I've been a Medicaid customer service rep and
trouble shooter since 1994, and a JAWS user since April, 1997. I'd be
glad to talk with you off list at either this address or
Tlisle@juno.com.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:07 PM
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Subject: Jaws in a call center environment

Hi folks! I wanted to ask if anyone has ever used jaws in a call center
work environment. I may be taking a job soon that requires me to work
in a virtual call center. I'm really interested to see how jaws reacts.
Anyone ever had experience with this before?
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Re: access with jaws

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

The other one mentioned here won't; got a URL?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: access with jaws

Interestingly, the free thunder screen reader will read the text in
an Access field.
At 04:53 PM 10/20/2011, you wrote:
If you doubt whether Access is supported, check out the key strokes
for it under JAWS help. Most of them say "not available with access
2007". and of course that means 2007 and higher.


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basic training

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FYI. If you do an update with jaws 13 beta, you will get several basic training files.
Holger Fiallo
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Re: What to do about XP machines

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

I'm hoping Windows 8 will be accessible when it's finally officially released. I don't know. Have you heard anything one way or the other? I don't think we'll have too much trouble getting Win 7, especially if there's no good access for 8.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Ok I get what you guys are saying why fix something if it aint broken
and if it works for you I guess I'm just somewhat of a tech junky I
like the latest and the gratest if it works for me of caurse. I wasn't
implying that win7 would be the last accessible windows I only ment
that win8 won't be accessible imidietly and microsoft may stop people
from buying win7 once 8 is out and if you have a problem then, or have
to upgrade from xp then you're basically screwed. It is unlikely that
microsoft will stop you from buying 7 once 8 is out but you never
know, a lot of companies stop you from buying older versions of
software once the newer versions gets released, they force people to
buy the latest versions. Microsoft didn't do this in the past, we can
still go out and buy xp, vista or even win 98 if you can find it but
you never know they might change their tune.

On 10/21/11, Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree Ted. And as someone who uses Total Recorder daily to record TV shows
etc, I'm much better off with XP than with 7. Besides, Nickus actually makes
good arguments against his own position. He admits that 8 will be out soon.
So why get 7? I could be wrong, but I assume 7 won't be the last accessible
Windows version. He also says: "one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems". That's true, but it's not
happening yet with anything I'm running. So why anticipate it? And some
programs, such as the one I mentioned, Total Recorder, run better under
XP. To me, the only reasons to upgrade are if you're running something
that doesn't work well on XP, or buying a new computer, because Unless you

build it yourself, it will come with an OS, and that will be 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines


I don't feel a burning need to explain my buying decisions, but I guess
I figure if it's not broken don't fix it. I don't usually do what the
industry tells me, but rather what works. It has nothing to do with 7,
which I would probably enjoy, from all I've read; it has everything to
do with losing a convenient configuration to a total reformat. I think
Tech Republic had a piece a while back on an upgrade scheme involving a
dual boot arrangement. Once there, after making sure everything works,
simply remove the old OS. If HP offered an OEM version, I might
consider that, but there's no such animal.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

I personally don't know why people is still clinging to xp. I never
had problems with windows 7 and have been using it since its beta days
and it's really not such a big learning curve. If I were you guys
rather upgrade to windows 7 now before 8 comes out because right now
not even jaws 13 will work with windows 8 not even mentioning older
jaws versions and once windows 8 is out it might be difficult to get
hold of a copy of 7. I look at it this way, the world is moving on, so
should I. Adapt or die if technology moves on we as disabled people
can't stay behind. Plus, one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems, the developers won't put in
effort to make it work on a old windows version, if it works cool but
if not they won't brake their backs in trying to make it work.

On 10/19/11, Lisle, Ted <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
After reading the list of fixes, I've decided to take the plunge
again,
but I'm not going to go to the trouble until the product release. I
was
wondering if service packs might make a difference. I don't remember
what I have at home; it's 2 here. As I recall the differences between
2
and 3 were supposed to be insignificant, and good luck finding a
service
pack for XP now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:46 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

I have used JAWS 11, 12 and 13 on a Windows XP pro machine with Office
2007.
I haven't really had any problems especially since I got my newer
machine.
I did have the problem with Excel 2007, but I was able to fix that.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Any of you guys using Office 2007 or later with XP Pro? Please
contact
me off list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robert Westfall
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Same here Jaws 12 latest build on an xp pro sp3 machine. All working
just
fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

Running JFW12 on an XP/SP3 machine with no difficulties.
Pat ByrneAt 11:38 AM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Ok, Steve. ... Thanks for the response.

I'm going to play it cool for a while here and see what other feedback
I
get.

Actually, I think my time and energy this week will be spent getting
Jaws 12 up and running on the new Windows 7 laptop the University
will be giving me, so the XP thing can wait for a bit.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I
am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I
still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS
11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches
us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still
an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at
home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they
are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which
seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with
my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7
laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: What to do about XP machines

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Ok I get what you guys are saying why fix something if it aint broken
and if it works for you I guess I'm just somewhat of a tech junky I
like the latest and the gratest if it works for me of caurse. I wasn't
implying that win7 would be the last accessible windows I only ment
that win8 won't be accessible imidietly and microsoft may stop people
from buying win7 once 8 is out and if you have a problem then, or have
to upgrade from xp then you're basically screwed. It is unlikely that
microsoft will stop you from buying 7 once 8 is out but you never
know, a lot of companies stop you from buying older versions of
software once the newer versions gets released, they force people to
buy the latest versions. Microsoft didn't do this in the past, we can
still go out and buy xp, vista or even win 98 if you can find it but
you never know they might change their tune.

On 10/21/11, Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree Ted. And as someone who uses Total Recorder daily to record TV shows
etc, I'm much better off with XP than with 7. Besides, Nickus actually makes
good arguments against his own position. He admits that 8 will be out soon.
So why get 7? I could be wrong, but I assume 7 won't be the last accessible
Windows version. He also says: "one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems". That's true, but it's not
happening yet with anything I'm running. So why anticipate it? And some
programs, such as the one I mentioned, Total Recorder, run better under
XP. To me, the only reasons to upgrade are if you're running something
that doesn't work well on XP, or buying a new computer, because Unless you

build it yourself, it will come with an OS, and that will be 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines


I don't feel a burning need to explain my buying decisions, but I guess
I figure if it's not broken don't fix it. I don't usually do what the
industry tells me, but rather what works. It has nothing to do with 7,
which I would probably enjoy, from all I've read; it has everything to
do with losing a convenient configuration to a total reformat. I think
Tech Republic had a piece a while back on an upgrade scheme involving a
dual boot arrangement. Once there, after making sure everything works,
simply remove the old OS. If HP offered an OEM version, I might
consider that, but there's no such animal.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

I personally don't know why people is still clinging to xp. I never
had problems with windows 7 and have been using it since its beta days
and it's really not such a big learning curve. If I were you guys
rather upgrade to windows 7 now before 8 comes out because right now
not even jaws 13 will work with windows 8 not even mentioning older
jaws versions and once windows 8 is out it might be difficult to get
hold of a copy of 7. I look at it this way, the world is moving on, so
should I. Adapt or die if technology moves on we as disabled people
can't stay behind. Plus, one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems, the developers won't put in
effort to make it work on a old windows version, if it works cool but
if not they won't brake their backs in trying to make it work.

On 10/19/11, Lisle, Ted <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
After reading the list of fixes, I've decided to take the plunge
again,
but I'm not going to go to the trouble until the product release. I
was
wondering if service packs might make a difference. I don't remember
what I have at home; it's 2 here. As I recall the differences between
2
and 3 were supposed to be insignificant, and good luck finding a
service
pack for XP now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:46 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

I have used JAWS 11, 12 and 13 on a Windows XP pro machine with Office
2007.
I haven't really had any problems especially since I got my newer
machine.
I did have the problem with Excel 2007, but I was able to fix that.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Any of you guys using Office 2007 or later with XP Pro? Please
contact
me off list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robert Westfall
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Same here Jaws 12 latest build on an xp pro sp3 machine. All working
just
fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

Running JFW12 on an XP/SP3 machine with no difficulties.
Pat ByrneAt 11:38 AM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Ok, Steve. ... Thanks for the response.

I'm going to play it cool for a while here and see what other feedback
I
get.

Actually, I think my time and energy this week will be spent getting
Jaws 12 up and running on the new Windows 7 laptop the University
will be giving me, so the XP thing can wait for a bit.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I
am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I
still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS
11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches
us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still
an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at
home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they
are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which
seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with
my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7
laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: access with jaws

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I had trouble with column headings until I dropped verbosity to
Intermediate.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: access with jaws

I don't remember having success with Access after Office 2007 with
any version of JAWS. If someone else did, though, that's great! I
can enter data into our Access 2010 database at work, but It's a real
trick to read it back to verify what I have entered. JAWS reads when
I move up and down in a column, but not across the row. So if I want
to know whether I have entered Bill's info for May 23, I can use find
to locate the first entry for Bill, and then have to up and down
arrow through the date field to find May. In order, when I find May,
to be sure I haven't changed names, I go to the name column, and up
or down arrow to see if bill's is still the student name or if I have
moved to someone else. Column headings are not read as I go across
the page, and there are almost no hot keys. But I can read a column
header with insert-tab.


I haven't played with design view at all.
At 02:00 PM 10/20/2011, you wrote:
Ann, if do I remember correctly that Ted says JAWS 10 worked well with
Access? What was your experience? If Mike can obtain a copy, would it
be
worth the trouble? Of course, then there's the question of whether an
early
version of JAWS can be safely installed aftter a later one is already
on the
system.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Ann byrne
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: access with jaws

My experience with JAWS and later versions of Access is really
discouraging.
Let us know how you manage it, will you please???

Good luck!
At 01:14 PM 10/20/2011, you wrote:
Hi, I am getting ready to start access from ms office10. I am being
told that it will be a real challenge for me. Does anyone have any
tips to
help.
I am running windows seven pro 64 bit. With office 10 and jaws 12
soon
to be 13. The class is CIS 105 using Go With Microsoft 2010. Thanks
for any help. Mike

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Re: What to do about XP machines

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I agree Ted. And as someone who uses Total Recorder daily to record TV shows etc, I'm much better off with XP than with 7. Besides, Nickus actually makes good arguments against his own position. He admits that 8 will be out soon. So why get 7? I could be wrong, but I assume 7 won't be the last accessible Windows version. He also says: "one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems". That's true, but it's not happening yet with anything I'm running. So why anticipate it? And some programs, such as the one I mentioned, Total Recorder, run better under XP. To me, the only reasons to upgrade are if you're running something that doesn't work well on XP, or buying a new computer, because Unless you build it yourself, it will come with an OS, and that will be 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines


I don't feel a burning need to explain my buying decisions, but I guess
I figure if it's not broken don't fix it. I don't usually do what the
industry tells me, but rather what works. It has nothing to do with 7,
which I would probably enjoy, from all I've read; it has everything to
do with losing a convenient configuration to a total reformat. I think
Tech Republic had a piece a while back on an upgrade scheme involving a
dual boot arrangement. Once there, after making sure everything works,
simply remove the old OS. If HP offered an OEM version, I might
consider that, but there's no such animal.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

I personally don't know why people is still clinging to xp. I never
had problems with windows 7 and have been using it since its beta days
and it's really not such a big learning curve. If I were you guys
rather upgrade to windows 7 now before 8 comes out because right now
not even jaws 13 will work with windows 8 not even mentioning older
jaws versions and once windows 8 is out it might be difficult to get
hold of a copy of 7. I look at it this way, the world is moving on, so
should I. Adapt or die if technology moves on we as disabled people
can't stay behind. Plus, one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems, the developers won't put in
effort to make it work on a old windows version, if it works cool but
if not they won't brake their backs in trying to make it work.

On 10/19/11, Lisle, Ted <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
After reading the list of fixes, I've decided to take the plunge
again,
but I'm not going to go to the trouble until the product release. I
was
wondering if service packs might make a difference. I don't remember
what I have at home; it's 2 here. As I recall the differences between
2
and 3 were supposed to be insignificant, and good luck finding a
service
pack for XP now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:46 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

I have used JAWS 11, 12 and 13 on a Windows XP pro machine with Office
2007.
I haven't really had any problems especially since I got my newer
machine.
I did have the problem with Excel 2007, but I was able to fix that.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Any of you guys using Office 2007 or later with XP Pro? Please
contact
me off list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robert Westfall
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Same here Jaws 12 latest build on an xp pro sp3 machine. All working
just
fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

Running JFW12 on an XP/SP3 machine with no difficulties.
Pat ByrneAt 11:38 AM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Ok, Steve. ... Thanks for the response.

I'm going to play it cool for a while here and see what other feedback
I
get.

Actually, I think my time and energy this week will be spent getting
Jaws 12 up and running on the new Windows 7 laptop the University
will be giving me, so the XP thing can wait for a bit.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I
am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I
still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS
11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches
us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still
an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at
home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they
are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which
seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with
my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7
laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: What to do about XP machines

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I don't feel a burning need to explain my buying decisions, but I guess
I figure if it's not broken don't fix it. I don't usually do what the
industry tells me, but rather what works. It has nothing to do with 7,
which I would probably enjoy, from all I've read; it has everything to
do with losing a convenient configuration to a total reformat. I think
Tech Republic had a piece a while back on an upgrade scheme involving a
dual boot arrangement. Once there, after making sure everything works,
simply remove the old OS. If HP offered an OEM version, I might
consider that, but there's no such animal.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

I personally don't know why people is still clinging to xp. I never
had problems with windows 7 and have been using it since its beta days
and it's really not such a big learning curve. If I were you guys
rather upgrade to windows 7 now before 8 comes out because right now
not even jaws 13 will work with windows 8 not even mentioning older
jaws versions and once windows 8 is out it might be difficult to get
hold of a copy of 7. I look at it this way, the world is moving on, so
should I. Adapt or die if technology moves on we as disabled people
can't stay behind. Plus, one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems, the developers won't put in
effort to make it work on a old windows version, if it works cool but
if not they won't brake their backs in trying to make it work.

On 10/19/11, Lisle, Ted <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
After reading the list of fixes, I've decided to take the plunge
again,
but I'm not going to go to the trouble until the product release. I
was
wondering if service packs might make a difference. I don't remember
what I have at home; it's 2 here. As I recall the differences between
2
and 3 were supposed to be insignificant, and good luck finding a
service
pack for XP now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:46 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

I have used JAWS 11, 12 and 13 on a Windows XP pro machine with Office
2007.
I haven't really had any problems especially since I got my newer
machine.
I did have the problem with Excel 2007, but I was able to fix that.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Any of you guys using Office 2007 or later with XP Pro? Please
contact
me off list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robert Westfall
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Same here Jaws 12 latest build on an xp pro sp3 machine. All working
just
fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

Running JFW12 on an XP/SP3 machine with no difficulties.
Pat ByrneAt 11:38 AM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Ok, Steve. ... Thanks for the response.

I'm going to play it cool for a while here and see what other feedback
I
get.

Actually, I think my time and energy this week will be spent getting
Jaws 12 up and running on the new Windows 7 laptop the University
will be giving me, so the XP thing can wait for a bit.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I
am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I
still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS
11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches
us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still
an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at
home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they
are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which
seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with
my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7
laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Dave...
 

Ted,

Yes, I think you'll like 13. I know exactly what you mean, and sorry about
your emergency. I've been through one, as well during the past 6 weeks.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 06:00
Subject: RE: Jaws13.0 beta


Dave, I don't usually do betas (and certainly not at my office), but am
really looking forward to the official release of 13, something I
wouldn't have said a month ago. To you and the other listers, I had a
totally unexpected family emergency throughout much of August, and all
of September, and never had a chance to suspend my subscription. It's
been a real hassle catching up, but the time investment was worth it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:50 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Gosh, Ted! That was a month ago. I don't use MS-Access so I can't check
on
that for you. Why not download the beta (it's already in the 3rd
version)
and try it out for yourself?

When I wrote this message a month ago I was still on XP Pro. Now I'm on
Windows 7 32-bit and a new Latitude E6520. JAWS 13 continues to be more
solid than JAWS 12, so I'm continuing to believe that only odd-numbered
versions of JAWS are worth owning.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 04:49
Subject: RE: Jaws13.0 beta


How about Access 2007 under XP?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Just to let you all know, Excel 2007 now works with JAWS 13. And that
was my
biggest complaint.

They did take my favorite keystrokes for reading top 4 and leftmost 4
cells
and give them over to the new Insert+Shift, T table navigation set with
a
completely unimaginative set of Alt+1 through 8 keys, so I added my own
keystrokes to these and fixed that problem.

So far JAWS 13 is behaving no worse than JAWS 12 in general situations
overall, and perhaps more responsive.

Again bear in mind that I'm still using XP Pro and the Office 2007
suite.

The Convenient OCR feature is pretty good, although I haven't tried too
many
examples of it.

Of course ResearchIt is broken for some of the sites, but that's not a
JAWS
issue.

Note that I copied over my JAWS 12 Place Markers, Personalized Settings,
and
JAWS dictionary files. I *did not* use the merge feature.

And I definitely modified the OCR voice to something less drastic.

Pretty good so far, right out of the box.

I think my theory of odd-numbered versions of JAWS being the best is
holding
up.


Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Dave, I don't usually do betas (and certainly not at my office), but am
really looking forward to the official release of 13, something I
wouldn't have said a month ago. To you and the other listers, I had a
totally unexpected family emergency throughout much of August, and all
of September, and never had a chance to suspend my subscription. It's
been a real hassle catching up, but the time investment was worth it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:50 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Gosh, Ted! That was a month ago. I don't use MS-Access so I can't check
on
that for you. Why not download the beta (it's already in the 3rd
version)
and try it out for yourself?

When I wrote this message a month ago I was still on XP Pro. Now I'm on
Windows 7 32-bit and a new Latitude E6520. JAWS 13 continues to be more
solid than JAWS 12, so I'm continuing to believe that only odd-numbered
versions of JAWS are worth owning.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 04:49
Subject: RE: Jaws13.0 beta


How about Access 2007 under XP?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Just to let you all know, Excel 2007 now works with JAWS 13. And that
was my
biggest complaint.

They did take my favorite keystrokes for reading top 4 and leftmost 4
cells
and give them over to the new Insert+Shift, T table navigation set with
a
completely unimaginative set of Alt+1 through 8 keys, so I added my own
keystrokes to these and fixed that problem.

So far JAWS 13 is behaving no worse than JAWS 12 in general situations
overall, and perhaps more responsive.

Again bear in mind that I'm still using XP Pro and the Office 2007
suite.

The Convenient OCR feature is pretty good, although I haven't tried too
many
examples of it.

Of course ResearchIt is broken for some of the sites, but that's not a
JAWS
issue.

Note that I copied over my JAWS 12 Place Markers, Personalized Settings,
and
JAWS dictionary files. I *did not* use the merge feature.

And I definitely modified the OCR voice to something less drastic.

Pretty good so far, right out of the box.

I think my theory of odd-numbered versions of JAWS being the best is
holding
up.


Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Re: Pitch changes not holding in Eloquence.

Dave...
 

Works fine for me, any version of JAWS.
Are you changing the pitch in the following way:

Insert+J
Options
Voices
Voice Adjustments
Then make sure you do a "Save As" so you keep your settings.

Otherwise the default will return.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 17:50
Subject: Pitch changes not holding in Eloquence.


Hi,



I have worked at this for hours.

Often the changes I make in Individual voices using Eloquence do not hold.

This is in various JAWS versions.



When I used Access 32, I could ajust the pitch and the changes would
stic

Because one could adjust the pitch globally!!





1. I changed the pitch for the PC voice option. .

Often

WhenI leftarrow, the pitch changes that I assigned for the P C voice
option do not hold.



2. When I read by whole word, the changes made for the PC

option never work.

I am stuck with the sound of the JAWS voice pitch.





3. When up arrowing the PC voice pitch changes I make often may or may
not hold.

I am stuck with the JAWS voice.



4. There appears to be no global way to keep the same pitch using
Eloquenceas there is "under" GLOBAL, no pitch slider whatsoever!





5. I must go through hundreds of file or document names like very long
file names.

The correct pitch which I adopt for the PC voice fail every time.



Because reading file names and document names is vital, I need to
understand clearly acronyms or abbreviations such

As a shortened series or words in a document name. The document names read
perfectly using Access 32. a The PC voice is not available to me hence the
acronyms in document names can mush



Many people shorten words in naming documents which read perfectly using
Access 32.



This last issue is most bothersome s I rely on clear reading of document
names.

And need clear reading of numbers and specifications.



How can one get the PC voice pitch for use in the reading long file or
document names?





Thanks.

Need a solution.






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Re: Control Panel Windows 7

Mark Arnold ABG
 

I will give it a try but when I shift tab, I hear nothing...


www.AmericanBlindGolf.com

Mark D. Arnold
Director American Blind Golf
414 Allen Drive
Wadsworth, OH 44281-2119
Home: (330) 336-8654
Cell: (330) 419-1710

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of David
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:56 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Control Panel Windows 7

Hello perhaps you could try;

1, go to the ctrl panel;

2, shift+tab one time,
You should hear; either;
Category, large icons, or small icons,
Most likely you'll hear;
Category,

Press spacebar, and choose either small or large icons,
And then press enter.

This should allow you to navigate using the arrow keys.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Control Panel Windows 7

Once you are in the panel is it maximized?
What do you hear when you try to navigate from within the CTRL panel?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:59 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Control Panel Windows 7

List,



Using the latest build of JAWS 12, JAWS will not read anything in the
Control Panel of Windows 7. Anyone have any ideas on what is happening?
All other aspects of the Windows 7 operating .system are working great.



Thanks in advance,

Mark



Mark D. Arnold

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Re: Control Panel Windows 7

Mark Arnold ABG
 

I have enough residual vision to see that the window is maximized. As I tab
around, I will hear nothing for several tabs and occasionally land on a
graphic... Just not sure what is going on... I am using the latest build
of JFW 12 on a 32 bit system of Windows 7.

Mark


www.AmericanBlindGolf.com

Mark D. Arnold
Director American Blind Golf
414 Allen Drive
Wadsworth, OH 44281-2119
Home: (330) 336-8654
Cell: (330) 419-1710

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Control Panel Windows 7

Once you are in the panel is it maximized?
What do you hear when you try to navigate from within the CTRL panel?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:59 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Control Panel Windows 7

List,



Using the latest build of JAWS 12, JAWS will not read anything in the
Control Panel of Windows 7. Anyone have any ideas on what is happening?
All other aspects of the Windows 7 operating .system are working great.



Thanks in advance,

Mark



Mark D. Arnold

Director American Blind Golf

414 Allen Drive

Wadsworth, OH 44281-2119

Home: (330) 336-8654

Cell: (330) 419-1710

www.AmericanBlindGolf.com



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Pitch changes not holding in Eloquence.

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,



I have worked at this for hours.

Often the changes I make in Individual voices using Eloquence do not hold.

This is in various JAWS versions.



When I used Access 32, I could ajust the pitch and the changes would stic

Because one could adjust the pitch globally!!





1. I changed the pitch for the PC voice option. .

Often

WhenI leftarrow, the pitch changes that I assigned for the P C voice option do not hold.



2. When I read by whole word, the changes made for the PC

option never work.

I am stuck with the sound of the JAWS voice pitch.





3. When up arrowing the PC voice pitch changes I make often may or may not hold.

I am stuck with the JAWS voice.



4. There appears to be no global way to keep the same pitch using Eloquenceas there is "under" GLOBAL, no pitch slider whatsoever!





5. I must go through hundreds of file or document names like very long file names.

The correct pitch which I adopt for the PC voice fail every time.



Because reading file names and document names is vital, I need to understand clearly acronyms or abbreviations such

As a shortened series or words in a document name. The document names read perfectly using Access 32. a The PC voice is not available to me hence the acronyms in document names can mush



Many people shorten words in naming documents which read perfectly using Access 32.



This last issue is most bothersome s I rely on clear reading of document names.

And need clear reading of numbers and specifications.



How can one get the PC voice pitch for use in the reading long file or document names?





Thanks.

Need a solution.