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JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

I have a client who has been using JAWS for quite a while now and has been on version 17 since at least last fall.  He is about to begin an internship and it remains uncertain whether he will be able to connect his personal computer to the organization's network (we're hoping so, but).

I know that NVDA supports making a portable version that you can place on a USB drive or SD card, carry with, and use as a freestanding program on other machines without installing it.  I have never explored whether JAWS supports such an arrangement.  Does anyone know if it does?

--
Brian

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

That is really easy, very helpful information.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Hi again, Carolyn. I wasn't clear about how to get the ASCII value of a character which is under the cursor with Desktop keyboard layout. You would press the number 5 on the numpad three times rapidly.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion


Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James









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Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thank you. That is most interesting.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Hi, Carolyn. If you are talking about the ASCII value of a character which is under your cursor, and you are using JAWS, you can find out its ASCII value. If you are using Laptop Keyboard Layout, press CAPSLOCK plus the comma key three times rapidly. If you are on the period at the end of this sentence, it will say fourty six. This is the ASCII value of the period character. If you are using Desktop Keyboard layout, you would press the number five on the number pad of your keyboard. This is not the numbers row above the letters.

If you are asking where to get the ASCII value of all characters, there are several websites which can be accessed which will give a table of ASCII values corresponding with each character. Many of these tables also include the hexidecimal values as well. They can be kind of confusing unless you know the ASCII values of some characters already. For example, the ASCII value of the space character is 32, so when you see the table, you can see where in the list the ASCII values are given. The link to the ASCII table I use is below.

http://www.ascii-code.com/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion


Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James









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Re: Windows Explorer

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I've turned it off on my machine, but for me the problem still comes up with Sonar 8.5 Producer Edition, especially when I close a project that has a VST Plugin with errors.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

Turning off the preview feature in windows explorer fixes the not responding problem because what's happening is jaws and the system is overwound bright trying to display every file so turn it off and your problems go away

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

It does not turn off the dialogue box. It speeds up the way some processes are handled in Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathy
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

Bill,

Thanks for sharing how to turn off the not responding message. Will this only turn off the dialog box or does it also fix the actual not responding issue?

Thanks,

Cathy

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

To Stop Windows Explorer From Saying: Not Responding:

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.

Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the

following:

show preview handlers in preview payne.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Cathy

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:53 PM

Subject: Windows Explorer

Hello,

Has anyone experienced freezing when trying to use windows explorer? I am not sure if it is a JAWS-related issue or not.

I am using JAWS 17, Windows 2007, MS Office 2013 and Sharepoint and networked.

Thanks,

Cathy

  



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Re: Windows Explorer

Shan Noyes
 

Turning off the preview feature in windows explorer fixes the not responding problem because what's happening is jaws and the system is overwound bright trying to display every file so turn it off and your problems go away

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

It does not turn off the dialogue box. It speeds up the way some processes are handled in Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathy
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

Bill,

 

Thanks for sharing how to turn off the not responding message. Will this only turn off the dialog box or does it also fix the actual not responding issue?

 

Thanks,

Cathy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

 

To Stop Windows Explorer From Saying: Not Responding:

 

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.

Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the

following:

show preview handlers in preview payne.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Cathy

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:53 PM

Subject: Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

 

Has anyone experienced freezing when trying to use windows explorer? I am not sure if it is a JAWS-related issue or not.

 

I am using JAWS 17, Windows 2007, MS Office 2013 and Sharepoint and networked.

 

Thanks,

Cathy

  

 

 

 



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Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi again, Carolyn. I wasn't clear about how to get the ASCII value of a character which is under the cursor with Desktop keyboard layout. You would press the number 5 on the numpad three times rapidly.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion


Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James









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Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Carolyn. If you are talking about the ASCII value of a character which is under your cursor, and you are using JAWS, you can find out its ASCII value. If you are using Laptop Keyboard Layout, press CAPSLOCK plus the comma key three times rapidly. If you are on the period at the end of this sentence, it will say fourty six. This is the ASCII value of the period character. If you are using Desktop Keyboard layout, you would press the number five on the number pad of your keyboard. This is not the numbers row above the letters.

If you are asking where to get the ASCII value of all characters, there are several websites which can be accessed which will give a table of ASCII values corresponding with each character. Many of these tables also include the hexidecimal values as well. They can be kind of confusing unless you know the ASCII values of some characters already. For example, the ASCII value of the space character is 32, so when you see the table, you can see where in the list the ASCII values are given. The link to the ASCII table I use is below.

http://www.ascii-code.com/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion


Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James









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Re: Windows Explorer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

It does not turn off the dialogue box. It speeds up the way some processes are handled in Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathy
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

Bill,

 

Thanks for sharing how to turn off the not responding message. Will this only turn off the dialog box or does it also fix the actual not responding issue?

 

Thanks,

Cathy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

 

To Stop Windows Explorer From Saying: Not Responding:

 

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.

Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the

following:

show preview handlers in preview payne.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Cathy

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:53 PM

Subject: Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

 

Has anyone experienced freezing when trying to use windows explorer? I am not sure if it is a JAWS-related issue or not.

 

I am using JAWS 17, Windows 2007, MS Office 2013 and Sharepoint and networked.

 

Thanks,

Cathy

  

 

 

 



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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

1 other note:
 
Vertical Tab, is what's trying to be muted, not vertical bar or vertical line.  Vertical Tab isn't a punctuation mark, it's got some other designation that I don't recall at the moment.
Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hi Hamilton,
 
A correction to your steps:
When making changes in the customize punctuation list, if you do not
want Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the
" all " selection.  You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down
through.  They are none, some, most, & all.  In these selections they work
backwards than what you would think.  For example;  If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in
whatever you are reading.  On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.
In short, these settings tell Jaws what to, Ignore, & not what to recognize.
 
Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: HAMILTON
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

HI ALL:

 

Let’s try this again.

 

In a previous message on this subject, I made reference to “customizing” JAWS punctuation settings, and hoped that someone with more expertise could take this to a solution for getting rid of these vertical lines.  Since no-one did, I took it upon myself to find the solution.  Keep in mind that I am using the most updated version of JAWS 17, with OFFICE 2013 on a Windows 8.1, 64-bit system.  And, by the way, I have heard the virtical lines in OUTLOOK messages, PDF files, the internet and some WORD files.

 

Anyway, here goes:

 

Go to JAWS by “alt-tabbing” until you hear “JAWS.

Press the alt key for the menu.

Right arrow once to “Utilities”.

Down arrow 5 times to “settings center” and press enter.

Down arrow to “punctuation”.

Right arrow to open “Punctuations”.

Down arrow once to “customize punctuations ...”.

Press spacebar, not the enter key, to open this item

 

At this point, you should find yourself at the top of a 190 item list of punctuations.  For each punctuation mark, it will say: “none”, “some”, “most”, or “all”.  This means that that punctuation mark will be read “none” of the time”, “some” of the time, and so on.

 

If you want to change what is specified for a specific punctuation, tab once, and it will say “none checked”, “some checked”, “most”, or “all”.  To change when that punctuation is spoken, use the up/down arrows to select the setting that you want.  If you want something to be spoken only when you are proof reading, for example, set the item to “all”.  If you never want to hear that punctuation, set it to “none”.

 

Now, “vertical line” is item 176 on this list of 190 punctuations.  So:

 

Press “end” to get to the bottom of the list.

Up arrow to “vertical line”.

Tab once to the list of: “none”, “some”, and so on.

Then use up or down arrow to select when you want it to be spoken.  If you never want to hear it, select “none”.  If you want to hear it if you are doing something like “proof reading”, select “all”. 

 

After you have made your selections, including any other changes you might want to make to this list, tab over to OK and press enter.

You will find yourself back on the “customizing punctuations ...” item in the list of JAWS settings.  Then, tab to “apply” and press enter.  Then, tab to “OK” and press enter again.  This should take you out of the “settings center”.

Then, alt-tab to the item/file that you were working on prior to this exercise.

 

Now, I am not certain of this; but, you may have to close, and restart JAWS after making punctuation changes.

 

The bottom line on this topic is that trying to use the “dictionary” to stop hearing vertical lines is likely doomed to failure.  Whereas, the above method should work without fail.

 

Jim H

 

 

 


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Hamilton,
 
A correction to your steps:
When making changes in the customize punctuation list, if you do not
want Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the
" all " selection.  You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down
through.  They are none, some, most, & all.  In these selections they work
backwards than what you would think.  For example;  If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in
whatever you are reading.  On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.
In short, these settings tell Jaws what to, Ignore, & not what to recognize.
 
Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: HAMILTON
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

HI ALL:

 

Let’s try this again.

 

In a previous message on this subject, I made reference to “customizing” JAWS punctuation settings, and hoped that someone with more expertise could take this to a solution for getting rid of these vertical lines.  Since no-one did, I took it upon myself to find the solution.  Keep in mind that I am using the most updated version of JAWS 17, with OFFICE 2013 on a Windows 8.1, 64-bit system.  And, by the way, I have heard the virtical lines in OUTLOOK messages, PDF files, the internet and some WORD files.

 

Anyway, here goes:

 

Go to JAWS by “alt-tabbing” until you hear “JAWS.

Press the alt key for the menu.

Right arrow once to “Utilities”.

Down arrow 5 times to “settings center” and press enter.

Down arrow to “punctuation”.

Right arrow to open “Punctuations”.

Down arrow once to “customize punctuations ...”.

Press spacebar, not the enter key, to open this item

 

At this point, you should find yourself at the top of a 190 item list of punctuations.  For each punctuation mark, it will say: “none”, “some”, “most”, or “all”.  This means that that punctuation mark will be read “none” of the time”, “some” of the time, and so on.

 

If you want to change what is specified for a specific punctuation, tab once, and it will say “none checked”, “some checked”, “most”, or “all”.  To change when that punctuation is spoken, use the up/down arrows to select the setting that you want.  If you want something to be spoken only when you are proof reading, for example, set the item to “all”.  If you never want to hear that punctuation, set it to “none”.

 

Now, “vertical line” is item 176 on this list of 190 punctuations.  So:

 

Press “end” to get to the bottom of the list.

Up arrow to “vertical line”.

Tab once to the list of: “none”, “some”, and so on.

Then use up or down arrow to select when you want it to be spoken.  If you never want to hear it, select “none”.  If you want to hear it if you are doing something like “proof reading”, select “all”. 

 

After you have made your selections, including any other changes you might want to make to this list, tab over to OK and press enter.

You will find yourself back on the “customizing punctuations ...” item in the list of JAWS settings.  Then, tab to “apply” and press enter.  Then, tab to “OK” and press enter again.  This should take you out of the “settings center”.

Then, alt-tab to the item/file that you were working on prior to this exercise.

 

Now, I am not certain of this; but, you may have to close, and restart JAWS after making punctuation changes.

 

The bottom line on this topic is that trying to use the “dictionary” to stop hearing vertical lines is likely doomed to failure.  Whereas, the above method should work without fail.

 

Jim H

 

 

 


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

HAMILTON
 

HI ALL:

 

Let’s try this again.

 

In a previous message on this subject, I made reference to “customizing” JAWS punctuation settings, and hoped that someone with more expertise could take this to a solution for getting rid of these vertical lines.  Since no-one did, I took it upon myself to find the solution.  Keep in mind that I am using the most updated version of JAWS 17, with OFFICE 2013 on a Windows 8.1, 64-bit system.  And, by the way, I have heard the virtical lines in OUTLOOK messages, PDF files, the internet and some WORD files.

 

Anyway, here goes:

 

Go to JAWS by “alt-tabbing” until you hear “JAWS.

Press the alt key for the menu.

Right arrow once to “Utilities”.

Down arrow 5 times to “settings center” and press enter.

Down arrow to “punctuation”.

Right arrow to open “Punctuations”.

Down arrow once to “customize punctuations ...”.

Press spacebar, not the enter key, to open this item

 

At this point, you should find yourself at the top of a 190 item list of punctuations.  For each punctuation mark, it will say: “none”, “some”, “most”, or “all”.  This means that that punctuation mark will be read “none” of the time”, “some” of the time, and so on.

 

If you want to change what is specified for a specific punctuation, tab once, and it will say “none checked”, “some checked”, “most”, or “all”.  To change when that punctuation is spoken, use the up/down arrows to select the setting that you want.  If you want something to be spoken only when you are proof reading, for example, set the item to “all”.  If you never want to hear that punctuation, set it to “none”.

 

Now, “vertical line” is item 176 on this list of 190 punctuations.  So:

 

Press “end” to get to the bottom of the list.

Up arrow to “vertical line”.

Tab once to the list of: “none”, “some”, and so on.

Then use up or down arrow to select when you want it to be spoken.  If you never want to hear it, select “none”.  If you want to hear it if you are doing something like “proof reading”, select “all”. 

 

After you have made your selections, including any other changes you might want to make to this list, tab over to OK and press enter.

You will find yourself back on the “customizing punctuations ...” item in the list of JAWS settings.  Then, tab to “apply” and press enter.  Then, tab to “OK” and press enter again.  This should take you out of the “settings center”.

Then, alt-tab to the item/file that you were working on prior to this exercise.

 

Now, I am not certain of this; but, you may have to close, and restart JAWS after making punctuation changes.

 

The bottom line on this topic is that trying to use the “dictionary” to stop hearing vertical lines is likely doomed to failure.  Whereas, the above method should work without fail.

 

Jim H

 

 

 


Re: Windows Explorer

Shan Noyes
 

I have had this problem before with windows explorer and when it's happened is related to the preview pane is on iPhone that the key combination alt plus the letter P is a toggle and turns it on and off so turn the preview pane off and then when you look at the list of files it doesn't display file content

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Cathy <clschmitt@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

Thanks for sharing how to turn off the not responding message. Will this only turn off the dialog box or does it also fix the actual not responding issue?

 

Thanks,

Cathy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

 

To Stop Windows Explorer From Saying: Not Responding:

 

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.

Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the

following:

show preview handlers in preview payne.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Cathy

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:53 PM

Subject: Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

 

Has anyone experienced freezing when trying to use windows explorer? I am not sure if it is a JAWS-related issue or not.

 

I am using JAWS 17, Windows 2007, MS Office 2013 and Sharepoint and networked.

 

Thanks,

Cathy

  

 

 

 



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Dictionary.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I don’t know what in the world happened in my dictionary, but the word to, t o was not reading in text. I simply went to JAWS Dictionary, hit Control-Shift-D for all programs, hit Add, then typed in the word to, t o, then tabbed and typed it in. When I got to OK, it said I had an entry, did I want to over ride it, and I just said I did, saved, and now it reads to again.

 

Best from,

 

Carolyn

 


Re: Windows Explorer

 

Bill,

 

Thanks for sharing how to turn off the not responding message. Will this only turn off the dialog box or does it also fix the actual not responding issue?

 

Thanks,

Cathy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

 

To Stop Windows Explorer From Saying: Not Responding:

 

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.

Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the

following:

show preview handlers in preview payne.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Cathy

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:53 PM

Subject: Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

 

Has anyone experienced freezing when trying to use windows explorer? I am not sure if it is a JAWS-related issue or not.

 

I am using JAWS 17, Windows 2007, MS Office 2013 and Sharepoint and networked.

 

Thanks,

Cathy

  

 

 

 



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Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Ann Byrne
 

Oops. I missed a step.

Text processing
general
then the new line thing.

At 06:53 PM 6/2/2016, you wrote:
Is this the line marker that JAWS reads whether Word has it marked or not?

Go to settings center
text processing
indicate new lines when (closed)

To turn off reading of space marker/paragraph marker in Word, press alt-h, then 8.

At 11:46 AM 6/2/2016, you wrote:
Brian,

Unless you have certain nondisplay characters turned on within Word
(like paragraph marks), you probably won't experience the newline
problem.

When writing and proofing documents, I often need to know where such
marks occur which is why I have them turned on to begin with. I think
this why my issue is somewhat rare.

Kimber

On 6/2/16, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com> wrote:
I called FS with my new line announcement dilemma. At first the guy
said, "nothing you can do. you are stuck with it."

But then he gave it a little thought and came up with a solution using
speech and sound schemes. Since the problem is present only in word,
we modified the word classic scheme to silence the speak new line
announcement, replacing the text with a space. It works beautifully
and if I can reproduce the steps, I will be happy to share them if
anyone is interested.

Kimber

On 6/2/16, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hi, Kimber. Try entering these two entries into the dictionary. \013 and
\010. These are for the linefeed and carriage return respectively, and
these

are the ASCII symbols which signal a new line.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:26 AM
Subject: Further to the virtical tab discussion


Hi All,

The vertical tab announcements are now gone thanks to the excellent
instructions previously posted. But now I would like to rid myself of
the "new line" announcement at the termination of every single line
that doesn't terminate with a paragraph symbol.

Before someone suggests that I turn off announcement of symbols, I am
a writer and I need to hear where certain symbols occur like the
paragraph symbol so turning everything off isn't a good option.

I tried using the same steps that worked for the vertical tab problem,
substituting a \n which is the ascii symbol for new line, but it
didn't work.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Thanks,
Kimber

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Re: Turn Off Automatic Page Breaks in Microsoft Word

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

When I have an unwanted page break, I get to it and delete or past and
back space. I have had no problem getting them out, but I only have
things like my card rules for two games, my personal address files and
things like that. Also I keep bank records, since I can't write in the
register. I start with a new form every month, and where a page might
interfere, I have had no problem ridding myself of it. Now, if you have
material of a more sophisticated character, this might not be helpful in
your case.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Turn Off Automatic Page Breaks in Microsoft Word

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is there a way for me to turn off, or at least override automatic page
breaks in Microsoft Word? In this document I have, there's an automatic
page break to page 5, with no text on that line, then I inserted a manual
page break, where it was supposed to be page 5, but Microsoft Word
automatically put it as page 6. I have Microsoft Office Standard Edition
2003.


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Doc Tom, I just followed directions from someone on one of the lists who said to go:

1. Go to Dictionary (Insert-D).
2. If desired in all programs, Control-Shift-D; Enter.
3. Type Control Enter.
4. Tab once.
5. Put a Space.
6. Tab to OK.
7. Alt F4.

I don't know yet if that will work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Barbara:



The vertical bar announcements occur in documents that have been prepared in Microsoft Word 2016 and in Outlook 2016 e-mails. I’m using Office 365 here.



It’s a problem for me because I work a lot with MS Word documents, and sometimes with more than one document at a time.



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"



I am assuming the vertical tab is on a web page or an e-mail. When you are working with G-mail and reading line by line, you hear reply vertical bar, forward, vertical bar, print, vertical bar. It is actually a small bar that is no more than ¼ inches long running top to bottom. I have never tried to stop JAWS from speaking the vertical bar because I don’t know if you can.



From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"



Brian:



I can do this, but need to know where to send the files, since I don’t think the list will accommoddate the attachments.



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"



Tom,

If you've got an "old word" file where it's announced, and a "new word" file where it's announced, I'll happily have a look to see what's up. If it's very easy for you to tell me the phrase that precedes "vertical tab" that would make things a bit faster for me, but it's not necessary.
--
Brian


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Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Ann Byrne
 

Is this the line marker that JAWS reads whether Word has it marked or not?

Go to settings center
text processing
indicate new lines when (closed)

To turn off reading of space marker/paragraph marker in Word, press alt-h, then 8.

At 11:46 AM 6/2/2016, you wrote:
Brian,

Unless you have certain nondisplay characters turned on within Word
(like paragraph marks), you probably won't experience the newline
problem.

When writing and proofing documents, I often need to know where such
marks occur which is why I have them turned on to begin with. I think
this why my issue is somewhat rare.

Kimber

On 6/2/16, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com> wrote:
I called FS with my new line announcement dilemma. At first the guy
said, "nothing you can do. you are stuck with it."

But then he gave it a little thought and came up with a solution using
speech and sound schemes. Since the problem is present only in word,
we modified the word classic scheme to silence the speak new line
announcement, replacing the text with a space. It works beautifully
and if I can reproduce the steps, I will be happy to share them if
anyone is interested.

Kimber

On 6/2/16, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hi, Kimber. Try entering these two entries into the dictionary. \013 and
\010. These are for the linefeed and carriage return respectively, and
these

are the ASCII symbols which signal a new line.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:26 AM
Subject: Further to the virtical tab discussion


Hi All,

The vertical tab announcements are now gone thanks to the excellent
instructions previously posted. But now I would like to rid myself of
the "new line" announcement at the termination of every single line
that doesn't terminate with a paragraph symbol.

Before someone suggests that I turn off announcement of symbols, I am
a writer and I need to hear where certain symbols occur like the
paragraph symbol so turning everything off isn't a good option.

I tried using the same steps that worked for the vertical tab problem,
substituting a \n which is the ascii symbol for new line, but it
didn't work.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Thanks,
Kimber

--
Kimberly






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Re: Which youtube to mp3 converters do you recommend as safe and accessible?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I use that one as well. It works wonders!



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which youtube to mp3 converters do you recommend as safe and accessible?

Hi,

 

I use an online converter called clip converter which seems to work welll and is accessible. The link is below

 

http://www.clipconverter.cc/

 

 

paul

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: 02 June 2016 20:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Which youtube to mp3 converters do you recommend as safe and accessible?

 

Hi,

 

Which youtube to mp3 converters do you recommend as safe and accessible?

 

Thanks, Keith


Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



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