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Punctuation, Differences Between Jaws Quick Settings & Settings Center Customize Punctuation Settings

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

This is a note on the difference between changing punctuation settings in Jaws quick settings, Insert + V, & customize punctuation in the Settings Center default all applications 
/ configuration manager.  They work backwards from one another.

When setting punctuation in Jaws quick settings, this controls the amount of
punctuation JAWS will speak / recognize.  The default setting is most.  To hear less
punctuation spoken you would select some or none.

When making changes in the customize punctuation list, this basically tells Jaws how much of a selected punctuation mark to ignore.  If you do not want
Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the
" all " selection.  You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down
through.  They are none, some, most, & all.  In these selections they work
backwards than what you would think.  For example;  If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in
whatever you are reading.  On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.

Summary:  In short the Jaws quick settings tells Jaws what punctuation to recognize / speak, & in the Settings Center default all applications / Customize Punctuation settings, tells Jaws what punctuation to ignore / not speak.  Hence, they work backwards from each other.
 
Hope this helps some of you understand the differences between the 2
punctuation setting options.
Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers!


Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

Michael,

             My sincere thanks.

              Sadly, I think that "Plan F" is what I often find myself in, if you get my drift!
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Vertical Tab symbol being spoken.

 

Tim,

             There were several separate threads that were related to this over the last several days.  The first and primary one entitled, 

 , and the others, 




That should give you and your friend all the necessary information and anyone, whether a groups.io member or not, can click through to view these threads on the website.

--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

Michael Mote
 

I feel your pain.  Good luck!  Keep us posted on what you’re dealing with.  I’m sure one of us can help with a good solution, or maybe a plan F!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

Michael,

          Thanks very much for this info.

          I doubt very much it will be useful in my specific circumstance since I doubt that any VPNs exist (or will exist) for this organization.  It's a tiny church-related charity that's almost exclusively staffed by volunteers and there's no IT department to speak of.  I exist "between a rock and a hard place" because I contract with the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually-Impaired as a tutor and tech support person.  We never know what the various sites our clients may hook up with may be like and I have no wherewithal to do anything specific on either side.  I get listened to, a lot, which is great but in the end I'm a glorified go-between and if either side decides they don't or can't go a certain way then I'm stuck coming up with plans B, C, D, and sometimes E.

          It's still great to know for future reference.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

Michael,

          Thanks very much for this info.

          I doubt very much it will be useful in my specific circumstance since I doubt that any VPNs exist (or will exist) for this organization.  It's a tiny church-related charity that's almost exclusively staffed by volunteers and there's no IT department to speak of.  I exist "between a rock and a hard place" because I contract with the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually-Impaired as a tutor and tech support person.  We never know what the various sites our clients may hook up with may be like and I have no wherewithal to do anything specific on either side.  I get listened to, a lot, which is great but in the end I'm a glorified go-between and if either side decides they don't or can't go a certain way then I'm stuck coming up with plans B, C, D, and sometimes E.

          It's still great to know for future reference.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

Michael Mote
 

Brian, JAWS has an option that allows you to connect to a virtual environment, through remote access.  You can read up on how this works under the JAWS help system.  I support this, for several employees, and could help you if this is what you indeed wind up having to do.  If it is simply connecting to a network through a VPN, generally speaking, JAWS handles that OK.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

I have a client who has been using JAWS for quite a while now and has been on version 17 since at least last fall.  He is about to begin an internship and it remains uncertain whether he will be able to connect his personal computer to the organization's network (we're hoping so, but).

I know that NVDA supports making a portable version that you can place on a USB drive or SD card, carry with, and use as a freestanding program on other machines without installing it.  I have never explored whether JAWS supports such an arrangement.  Does anyone know if it does?

--
Brian

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Vertical Tab symbol being spoken.

Tim Ford
 

HI All,
 
I know a lot of notes were exchanged recently on this list regarding JAWS speaking the vertical tab symbol under certain circumstances.  I was not noticing the problem, and did not read any of those emails.  But, a friend just asked me what to do to solve the problem.
 
Would someone on this list be so kind as to give me a brief description of the symptoms and the solution?  I would greatly appreciate the accommodation.
 
Sincerely,
Tim Ford
 


Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

James & Joseph,

           Thanks to both for letting me know that some sort of option along these lines exists.  I have just finished composing an e-mail message asking for details addressed to Freedom Scientific technical support.  They typically get back to me within a business day (which means Monday, now, unless they're really quick today).

           I will report back on what I hear as this client is using JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 machine that he owns.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

James Homuth
 

It requires (or required, perhaps) you to install the video intersept components and/or the mirror display driver before JAWS would properly function. However, I'm not sure if that requirement still exists for systems running Windows 8 or later, as the fully installed versions of JAWS no longer use those components on that version of Windows.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: June-03-16 3:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

Hi,

There is a build of JAWS that’s optimized for USB flash drives, but last time I checked, it required folks to install some components before using it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

I have a client who has been using JAWS for quite a while now and has been on version 17 since at least last fall.  He is about to begin an internship and it remains uncertain whether he will be able to connect his personal computer to the organization's network (we're hoping so, but).

I know that NVDA supports making a portable version that you can place on a USB drive or SD card, carry with, and use as a freestanding program on other machines without installing it.  I have never explored whether JAWS supports such an arrangement.  Does anyone know if it does?

--
Brian

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

Hi,

There is a build of JAWS that’s optimized for USB flash drives, but last time I checked, it required folks to install some components before using it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

I have a client who has been using JAWS for quite a while now and has been on version 17 since at least last fall.  He is about to begin an internship and it remains uncertain whether he will be able to connect his personal computer to the organization's network (we're hoping so, but).

I know that NVDA supports making a portable version that you can place on a USB drive or SD card, carry with, and use as a freestanding program on other machines without installing it.  I have never explored whether JAWS supports such an arrangement.  Does anyone know if it does?

--
Brian

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


JAWS Portable - Can such a creature be created?

 

I have a client who has been using JAWS for quite a while now and has been on version 17 since at least last fall.  He is about to begin an internship and it remains uncertain whether he will be able to connect his personal computer to the organization's network (we're hoping so, but).

I know that NVDA supports making a portable version that you can place on a USB drive or SD card, carry with, and use as a freestanding program on other machines without installing it.  I have never explored whether JAWS supports such an arrangement.  Does anyone know if it does?

--
Brian

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

That is really easy, very helpful information.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Hi again, Carolyn. I wasn't clear about how to get the ASCII value of a character which is under the cursor with Desktop keyboard layout. You would press the number 5 on the numpad three times rapidly.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion


Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



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Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thank you. That is most interesting.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Hi, Carolyn. If you are talking about the ASCII value of a character which is under your cursor, and you are using JAWS, you can find out its ASCII value. If you are using Laptop Keyboard Layout, press CAPSLOCK plus the comma key three times rapidly. If you are on the period at the end of this sentence, it will say fourty six. This is the ASCII value of the period character. If you are using Desktop Keyboard layout, you would press the number five on the number pad of your keyboard. This is not the numbers row above the letters.

If you are asking where to get the ASCII value of all characters, there are several websites which can be accessed which will give a table of ASCII values corresponding with each character. Many of these tables also include the hexidecimal values as well. They can be kind of confusing unless you know the ASCII values of some characters already. For example, the ASCII value of the space character is 32, so when you see the table, you can see where in the list the ASCII values are given. The link to the ASCII table I use is below.

http://www.ascii-code.com/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion


Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James









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Re: Windows Explorer

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I've turned it off on my machine, but for me the problem still comes up with Sonar 8.5 Producer Edition, especially when I close a project that has a VST Plugin with errors.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

Turning off the preview feature in windows explorer fixes the not responding problem because what's happening is jaws and the system is overwound bright trying to display every file so turn it off and your problems go away

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

It does not turn off the dialogue box. It speeds up the way some processes are handled in Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathy
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

Bill,

Thanks for sharing how to turn off the not responding message. Will this only turn off the dialog box or does it also fix the actual not responding issue?

Thanks,

Cathy

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

To Stop Windows Explorer From Saying: Not Responding:

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.

Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the

following:

show preview handlers in preview payne.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Cathy

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:53 PM

Subject: Windows Explorer

Hello,

Has anyone experienced freezing when trying to use windows explorer? I am not sure if it is a JAWS-related issue or not.

I am using JAWS 17, Windows 2007, MS Office 2013 and Sharepoint and networked.

Thanks,

Cathy

  



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Re: Windows Explorer

Shan Noyes
 

Turning off the preview feature in windows explorer fixes the not responding problem because what's happening is jaws and the system is overwound bright trying to display every file so turn it off and your problems go away

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

It does not turn off the dialogue box. It speeds up the way some processes are handled in Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathy
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

Bill,

 

Thanks for sharing how to turn off the not responding message. Will this only turn off the dialog box or does it also fix the actual not responding issue?

 

Thanks,

Cathy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

 

To Stop Windows Explorer From Saying: Not Responding:

 

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.

Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the

following:

show preview handlers in preview payne.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Cathy

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:53 PM

Subject: Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

 

Has anyone experienced freezing when trying to use windows explorer? I am not sure if it is a JAWS-related issue or not.

 

I am using JAWS 17, Windows 2007, MS Office 2013 and Sharepoint and networked.

 

Thanks,

Cathy

  

 

 

 



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Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi again, Carolyn. I wasn't clear about how to get the ASCII value of a character which is under the cursor with Desktop keyboard layout. You would press the number 5 on the numpad three times rapidly.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion


Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James









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Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Carolyn. If you are talking about the ASCII value of a character which is under your cursor, and you are using JAWS, you can find out its ASCII value. If you are using Laptop Keyboard Layout, press CAPSLOCK plus the comma key three times rapidly. If you are on the period at the end of this sentence, it will say fourty six. This is the ASCII value of the period character. If you are using Desktop Keyboard layout, you would press the number five on the number pad of your keyboard. This is not the numbers row above the letters.

If you are asking where to get the ASCII value of all characters, there are several websites which can be accessed which will give a table of ASCII values corresponding with each character. Many of these tables also include the hexidecimal values as well. They can be kind of confusing unless you know the ASCII values of some characters already. For example, the ASCII value of the space character is 32, so when you see the table, you can see where in the list the ASCII values are given. The link to the ASCII table I use is below.

http://www.ascii-code.com/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion


Yall amaze me how you can find the ASCII needed. Is there a place in the computer that shows the ASCII characters? Just curious.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solution found to the new line announcement problem (was) Further to the virtical tab discussion

Kimber,

Please do share if you reproduce them. I have never had JAWS announce "new line" with normally "flowed" text in MS-Word up through Word 2013. Of course, I've never heard JAWS announce a Vertical Tab, either, and have been working with JAWS for a long time now.

These behaviors seem recent, and appear to possibly be linked to changes in how Word is working and/or how JAWS is working with it.
--
Brian



A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

~ William James









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Re: Windows Explorer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

It does not turn off the dialogue box. It speeds up the way some processes are handled in Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathy
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

Bill,

 

Thanks for sharing how to turn off the not responding message. Will this only turn off the dialog box or does it also fix the actual not responding issue?

 

Thanks,

Cathy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer

 

To Stop Windows Explorer From Saying: Not Responding:

 

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.

Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the

following:

show preview handlers in preview payne.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Cathy

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:53 PM

Subject: Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

 

Has anyone experienced freezing when trying to use windows explorer? I am not sure if it is a JAWS-related issue or not.

 

I am using JAWS 17, Windows 2007, MS Office 2013 and Sharepoint and networked.

 

Thanks,

Cathy

  

 

 

 



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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

1 other note:
 
Vertical Tab, is what's trying to be muted, not vertical bar or vertical line.  Vertical Tab isn't a punctuation mark, it's got some other designation that I don't recall at the moment.
Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hi Hamilton,
 
A correction to your steps:
When making changes in the customize punctuation list, if you do not
want Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the
" all " selection.  You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down
through.  They are none, some, most, & all.  In these selections they work
backwards than what you would think.  For example;  If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in
whatever you are reading.  On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.
In short, these settings tell Jaws what to, Ignore, & not what to recognize.
 
Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: HAMILTON
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

HI ALL:

 

Let’s try this again.

 

In a previous message on this subject, I made reference to “customizing” JAWS punctuation settings, and hoped that someone with more expertise could take this to a solution for getting rid of these vertical lines.  Since no-one did, I took it upon myself to find the solution.  Keep in mind that I am using the most updated version of JAWS 17, with OFFICE 2013 on a Windows 8.1, 64-bit system.  And, by the way, I have heard the virtical lines in OUTLOOK messages, PDF files, the internet and some WORD files.

 

Anyway, here goes:

 

Go to JAWS by “alt-tabbing” until you hear “JAWS.

Press the alt key for the menu.

Right arrow once to “Utilities”.

Down arrow 5 times to “settings center” and press enter.

Down arrow to “punctuation”.

Right arrow to open “Punctuations”.

Down arrow once to “customize punctuations ...”.

Press spacebar, not the enter key, to open this item

 

At this point, you should find yourself at the top of a 190 item list of punctuations.  For each punctuation mark, it will say: “none”, “some”, “most”, or “all”.  This means that that punctuation mark will be read “none” of the time”, “some” of the time, and so on.

 

If you want to change what is specified for a specific punctuation, tab once, and it will say “none checked”, “some checked”, “most”, or “all”.  To change when that punctuation is spoken, use the up/down arrows to select the setting that you want.  If you want something to be spoken only when you are proof reading, for example, set the item to “all”.  If you never want to hear that punctuation, set it to “none”.

 

Now, “vertical line” is item 176 on this list of 190 punctuations.  So:

 

Press “end” to get to the bottom of the list.

Up arrow to “vertical line”.

Tab once to the list of: “none”, “some”, and so on.

Then use up or down arrow to select when you want it to be spoken.  If you never want to hear it, select “none”.  If you want to hear it if you are doing something like “proof reading”, select “all”. 

 

After you have made your selections, including any other changes you might want to make to this list, tab over to OK and press enter.

You will find yourself back on the “customizing punctuations ...” item in the list of JAWS settings.  Then, tab to “apply” and press enter.  Then, tab to “OK” and press enter again.  This should take you out of the “settings center”.

Then, alt-tab to the item/file that you were working on prior to this exercise.

 

Now, I am not certain of this; but, you may have to close, and restart JAWS after making punctuation changes.

 

The bottom line on this topic is that trying to use the “dictionary” to stop hearing vertical lines is likely doomed to failure.  Whereas, the above method should work without fail.

 

Jim H

 

 

 


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Hamilton,
 
A correction to your steps:
When making changes in the customize punctuation list, if you do not
want Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the
" all " selection.  You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down
through.  They are none, some, most, & all.  In these selections they work
backwards than what you would think.  For example;  If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in
whatever you are reading.  On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.
In short, these settings tell Jaws what to, Ignore, & not what to recognize.
 
Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: HAMILTON
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

HI ALL:

 

Let’s try this again.

 

In a previous message on this subject, I made reference to “customizing” JAWS punctuation settings, and hoped that someone with more expertise could take this to a solution for getting rid of these vertical lines.  Since no-one did, I took it upon myself to find the solution.  Keep in mind that I am using the most updated version of JAWS 17, with OFFICE 2013 on a Windows 8.1, 64-bit system.  And, by the way, I have heard the virtical lines in OUTLOOK messages, PDF files, the internet and some WORD files.

 

Anyway, here goes:

 

Go to JAWS by “alt-tabbing” until you hear “JAWS.

Press the alt key for the menu.

Right arrow once to “Utilities”.

Down arrow 5 times to “settings center” and press enter.

Down arrow to “punctuation”.

Right arrow to open “Punctuations”.

Down arrow once to “customize punctuations ...”.

Press spacebar, not the enter key, to open this item

 

At this point, you should find yourself at the top of a 190 item list of punctuations.  For each punctuation mark, it will say: “none”, “some”, “most”, or “all”.  This means that that punctuation mark will be read “none” of the time”, “some” of the time, and so on.

 

If you want to change what is specified for a specific punctuation, tab once, and it will say “none checked”, “some checked”, “most”, or “all”.  To change when that punctuation is spoken, use the up/down arrows to select the setting that you want.  If you want something to be spoken only when you are proof reading, for example, set the item to “all”.  If you never want to hear that punctuation, set it to “none”.

 

Now, “vertical line” is item 176 on this list of 190 punctuations.  So:

 

Press “end” to get to the bottom of the list.

Up arrow to “vertical line”.

Tab once to the list of: “none”, “some”, and so on.

Then use up or down arrow to select when you want it to be spoken.  If you never want to hear it, select “none”.  If you want to hear it if you are doing something like “proof reading”, select “all”. 

 

After you have made your selections, including any other changes you might want to make to this list, tab over to OK and press enter.

You will find yourself back on the “customizing punctuations ...” item in the list of JAWS settings.  Then, tab to “apply” and press enter.  Then, tab to “OK” and press enter again.  This should take you out of the “settings center”.

Then, alt-tab to the item/file that you were working on prior to this exercise.

 

Now, I am not certain of this; but, you may have to close, and restart JAWS after making punctuation changes.

 

The bottom line on this topic is that trying to use the “dictionary” to stop hearing vertical lines is likely doomed to failure.  Whereas, the above method should work without fail.

 

Jim H