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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Gary King
 

Tom,
Can you place the PC cursor on the symbol that is indicated by JAWS as a vertical tab? If so, place it there and bring up the JAWS Dictionary with JAWS Key d. Then press Control Shift d if you want the replacement to be in all programs. Press Spacebar on the Add Button. The symbol should appear in the Actual Word field. Then put a space in the Replacement Word field. Press Enter, Control s to save and then exit the JAWS Dictionary.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

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To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Bill:

I tried this, but still no luck.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Putting 11 in the dictionary won't work. the way ASCII values are expressed
is with the Shift plus the number six on the numbers row below the F keys
followed by the ASCII value which in this case is 11.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Ok, Bill.

I put 11 in the first Jaws dictionary field, followed by a space, but
still no luck.

It may be time to call FS on this issue.

I'm not sure iff I'll get to it tomorrow, but if I do, I'll keep
everyone posted.

Thanks all for your patience.

And, of course, I'll continue to take any and all suggestions.

Tom behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hi, Tom. The character which is voicing as a vertical tab has an ASCII
value of eleven.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that
came up in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I
navigate whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan
















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Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


Is the circle with top right quadrant filled in what you would consider a "quarter circle"? How would I put it? Would I say that JAWS should say something like: "symbol145=U+25d4 11010101 upper right quarter circle"?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

This may be a bit more accessible than the PDF file I posted earlier.  It deals strictly with geometric shape characters in Unicode:  http://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_25A0.html

25CB begins a chunk of Circle characters including the one with top right quadrant filled in at 25D4
--
Brian


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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Louise Johnson <herclouise@...>
 

Hi well I am using outlook 2013 and have this happen only in word. It isn’t happening in email so if this helps anyone please share the answer as I don’t like hearing it when putting together documentsLouise and princess Kiara

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: June 1, 2016 5:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Brian:

 

I can send you a sample  file where the vertical tabs are being announced, if you’d like.

 

One thing I have just discovered is that vertical tabs do not appear to be announced in files that have been prepared with previous versions of word such as Word 2003, 2007, or 2010.

 

It seems to be most prevalent with files in Word 2016, or in e-mails in Outlook 2016 in Office 365.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Martin,

          I know what it is, but it is so very seldom used (or even known about) that I'm really wondering if what is being announced as "vertical tab" is actually a vertical tab.  I come from the days of computing when there were punch cards, 300 BAUD lines, tractor feed paper, and when carriage return was just that and a line feed character was necessary to bump the paper (or screen cursor) to the next line.

          The only use that I can conceivably find for vertical tab these days is if one is writing poetry where one wants line breaks but doesn't want the automatic paragraph break that comes from hitting return.  Were I writing this way I'd find it much easier to set paragraph spacing such that there was "no space after paragraph" and actually have to hit Enter twice to create a blank line.

          I'd love to have an example of a file where "vertical tab" is being announced to see how it's laid out on the screen and whether the vertical tab is actually there or if that's being used to describe something else.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

 

This may be a bit more accessible than the PDF file I posted earlier.  It deals strictly with geometric shape characters in Unicode:  http://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_25A0.html

25CB begins a chunk of Circle characters including the one with top right quadrant filled in at 25D4
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Annabelle. I brought up a Wikipedia article about Unicode and geometric shapes. There is a table, but nowhere in that table is there a representation of the quarter circle. I have seen this in the past as well, but can't find one right now to check its character value.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 4:48 PM
Subject: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I've discovered that you can configure JAWS to speak unicode characters in any way you want it to, but I wonder, of all the unicode characters, I can't find one that represents a "quarter circle". Where I've heard it speak this "quarter circle" is on radio buttons of an installation screen on a program, specifically the ones that are unchecked, especially when I navigate to them with the JAWS cursor. Which unicode character and hexidecimal value represents a quarter circle? This way, I can have JAWS speak all occurances of this character no matter what synthesizer I have it switched to.


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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Bill,

        See if you can merge forces with Annabelle Susan Morrison in her thread, Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS.  Even though Vertical Tab (VT) is not a geometric shape it has a Unicode hex value of U+000B and decimal value for ASCII of 11.

         If you can set one Unicode character to be consistently pronounced (or not pronounced, as the case may be) regardless of context you can do it for another.  She may be able to help you to get JAWS to stop saying anything at all when it encounters a Vertical Tab.  This goes into areas of JAWS that I have no real familiarity with.
--
Brian


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         ~ William James


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

I tried this, but still no luck.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Putting 11 in the dictionary won't work. the way ASCII values are expressed
is with the Shift plus the number six on the numbers row below the F keys
followed by the ASCII value which in this case is 11.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Ok, Bill.

I put 11 in the first Jaws dictionary field, followed by a space, but
still no luck.

It may be time to call FS on this issue.

I'm not sure iff I'll get to it tomorrow, but if I do, I'll keep
everyone posted.

Thanks all for your patience.

And, of course, I'll continue to take any and all suggestions.

Tom behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hi, Tom. The character which is voicing as a vertical tab has an ASCII
value of eleven.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that
came up in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I
navigate whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan
















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Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

 

Anabelle,

         I can't really answer your question.  An unselected radio button visually looks like an empty circle.  There is no portion of it that is filled in.  A selected radio button looks like a fully filled in circle.

         When you start getting into the JAWS Virtual cursor as opposed to the system cursor things get really complicated since JAWS essentially changes two dimensions, horizontal and vertical, into a long single dimension or chain as best I can understand it.  The way it does that mapping is not always intuitively equivalent to how a sighted person processes a layout that is supposed to use visual cueing to suggest what order it should be traversed in.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Carol. I don't know how to get it to work. It might not work in a dictionary entry, but the ASCII value is 11, and it is preceded by the caret, which is the Shift key plus the number six, followed in this case by 11
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


So how do you use ASCII 11 to solve the problem, please? I tried the
dictionary trick, but the trick did not work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hi, Tom. The character which is voicing as a vertical tab has an ASCII
value of eleven.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that
came up in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement
field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I
navigate whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they
are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan
















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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Putting 11 in the dictionary won't work. the way ASCII values are expressed is with the Shift plus the number six on the numbers row below the F keys followed by the ASCII value which in this case is 11.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Ok, Bill.

I put 11 in the first Jaws dictionary field, followed by a space, but still
no luck.

It may be time to call FS on this issue.

I'm not sure iff I'll get to it tomorrow, but if I do, I'll keep everyone
posted.

Thanks all for your patience.

And, of course, I'll continue to take any and all suggestions.

Tom behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hi, Tom. The character which is voicing as a vertical tab has an ASCII value
of eleven.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that
came up in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I
navigate whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan
















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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

So how do you use ASCII 11 to solve the problem, please? I tried the
dictionary trick, but the trick did not work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hi, Tom. The character which is voicing as a vertical tab has an ASCII
value of eleven.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that
came up in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement
field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I
navigate whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they
are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan
















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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I tried it too, and still an e-mail said Vertical Tab. It is annoying. I
hope 18 gets it better.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that came
up in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

OK, Doc Tom, here's what I suggested, that you use JAWS dictionary, by
typing in vertical tab in the place where the dictionary says add, then
tab once to put in the word that you want pronounced, where you spell it
however you can to make JAWS pronounce it the way you want it to, and hit
Spacebar there.

On my computer, I can hit Insert-D and I'm in the Dictionary, but on
older programs, and I can also do this, to use the dictionary, you hit
Insert-F2. You would be in JAWS Manager, so you type d to get into the
dictionary. Enter. It will ask you to hit Control-Shift-D, if you want
your substitute in all programs. If you want it only in the specific
program you are using for e-mail, do not hit the Control-Shift-D. When
you Entered, you should be at Add. So Add means add whatever word you
want JAWS to pronounce in another way. You type in the add place the
correct word. Then you go to the next tab and type what you want JAWS to
say. For instance in mine, I changed per se, because JAWS makes it sound
like per see. So at that second tab I typed per say, and it has a more
acceptable pronunciation.

Please excuse me, if I told you stuff you already know or more than you
ever wanted to know about JAWS Dictionary. I use it a lot.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Carolyn:

Where would I find the alt vertical tab that you mention in step 4?

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Ok, Bill.

I put 11 in the first Jaws dictionary field, followed by a space, but still
no luck.

It may be time to call FS on this issue.

I'm not sure iff I'll get to it tomorrow, but if I do, I'll keep everyone
posted.

Thanks all for your patience.

And, of course, I'll continue to take any and all suggestions.

Tom behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hi, Tom. The character which is voicing as a vertical tab has an ASCII value
of eleven.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that
came up in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I
navigate whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan
















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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. The character which is voicing as a vertical tab has an ASCII value of eleven.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that came up
in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from JAWS
might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it wouldn't hurt
to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a fairly
new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan















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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Carolyn:

Bill White set me straight regarding step 4 of your instructions.

I actually wrote the words vertical tab in the add edit field that came up
in the Jaws dictionary, and put a space in the replacement field.

But, still no luck.

I think this is because the vertical tab is some sort of a computer
character.

Thanks to Bill for the clarification.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from JAWS
might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it wouldn't hurt
to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a fairly
new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. In step 4 she said to write the words vertical tab in the dictionary, then in the replacement word, enter the space character. She didn't say anything about ALT right tab.

I think you misheard write tab as right tab.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"


Carolyn:

Where would I find the alt vertical tab that you mention in step 4?

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from JAWS
might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it wouldn't hurt
to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a fairly
new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan















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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Kimber Gardner
 

Just to add my 2 cents to the discussion, I too have noticed the
announcement of vertical tab in the most recent version of jaws. For
me it happens a lot when I have copied some text from a web page (from
BARD for example) then paste that text into a word document. After
doing that, when I read the text jaws will announce vertical tab at
the end of each line. Most of the time I can go back and delete the
vertical tabs, but this is tedious and time-consuming. I would much
prefer not having to hear them at all.

Kimber

On 6/1/16, Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a fairly
new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





--
Kimberly


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Brian:

 

I can do this, but need to know where to send the files,  since I don’t think the list will accommoddate the attachments.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Tom,

       If you've got an "old word" file where it's announced, and a "new word" file where it's announced, I'll happily have a look to see what's up.  If it's very easy for you to tell me the phrase that precedes "vertical tab" that would make things a bit faster for me, but it's not necessary.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


Is that the character that usually appears beside a radio button that is unchecked when you navigate with the JAWS cursor?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Annabelle,

          I do not know how accessible this PDF file is, but it's worth taking a look at, http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U25A0.pdf, which deals with unicode for geometric shapes.

          If, by quarter circle, you mean a circle with the quadrant at the top right (noon to 3 PM on a clock face) darkened the Hex code for that is 25D4.  It's called "circle with upper right quadrant black" and is on page four of the linked document.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James