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Re: So it is not just me: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave...
 

Tim,

Please send a report to support@freedomscientific.com to let them know your
issue.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Ford" <ttford@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 02:11 PM
Subject: So it is not just me: Jaws 17 Lagging


I am relieved that the problems I noticed were not just me. What is
reported below is exactly what I am experiencing, and the timing matches,
starting a couple of builds ago. FS Support had me do a special command
repair. and it seems to have helped some. But it is now clear that this is
a wide-spread problem.

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Ugh, I'll look into that. Very nice of us to do troubleshooting for FS, free
of charge, isn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I reported to FS (or VFO) the following:

Since JAWS 17 last two minor builds, there is a 15 to 20 second delay when I
press Ctrl+F to do a find in IE. I'm also using Windows 7 on a 32-bit
machine. This has been annoying me for several weeks, and I finally reported
it.

Furthermore, I find that if I shut down JAWS 17 and launch JAWS 15 there is
absolutely no delay at all.

Same delay symptoms when invoking JAWS+F7 or JAWS+F5 in web pages. 15 to 20
second delay before responding.

FS suggested I remove all my startup processes using MSConfig, and just
enable JAWS. That fixed the problem, for now with JAWS 17. Now I'm asked by
FS to start enabling my startup processes one at a time until I find one
that is causing the problem. Essentially I'm doing the troubleshooting work
for FS -- so be it.

Give that a try yourself and see if the delays or sluggishness disappear.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging


I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave...
 

Sorry I'm not compliant with the "standard" system configuration. If that's
my sin, then I'll just have to carry it with me to Hades.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason White via Groups.io" <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 01:00 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging


Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and
it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't
be so many different versions to deal with.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Gene Stevens
 

I've had no issues with lag. I'm running the latest build of Win 10 and Jaws 17.0.1539 on a 64 bit Dell desktop with 4 Gig of RAM.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
This is a bit annoying, but it's nowhere as annoying as the system locking
up like it did all the time with Jaws 15.

And as it did for me with JAWS 16.

They evidently fixed the bug.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Jason White
 

Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
This is a bit annoying, but it's nowhere as annoying as the system locking
up like it did all the time with Jaws 15.

And as it did for me with JAWS 16.

They evidently fixed the bug.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

I think the reason why it jumps out at me is because this didn't happen in
15, and I did the upgrade to 17 a couple of days ago and it was obvious to
me as soon as I started doing my normal routine. I've also noticed that
sometimes it gives me a "blank" instead of the first letter of a response in
Outlook.
This is a bit annoying, but it's nowhere as annoying as the system locking
up like it did all the time with Jaws 15.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Moore
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Hi Nicole,

I am using Windows 10, JAWS 17 (latest build) and Office 2013. The
only slowness I find is with Outlook 2013, where JAWS is slow to respond
when I press Control y to go to a particular folder and when I press Shift
Control v to move messages to a particular folder. However, if I press Shift
Control I to go back to the inbox, JAWS responds immediately. I called FS
about this slowness and was told that this is normal, but it's funny that I
never experienced this before upgrading to Windows 10.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Actually, I find it slow when I search in Word, when I use Outlook, and it
seems there was one other places. I think I've had better luck with 13 than
16 though.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Moore
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Hi Nicole,

I am using Windows 10, JAWS 17 (latest build) and Office 2013. The
only slowness I find is with Outlook 2013, where JAWS is slow to respond
when I press Control y to go to a particular folder and when I press Shift
Control v to move messages to a particular folder. However, if I press Shift
Control I to go back to the inbox, JAWS responds immediately. I called FS
about this slowness and was told that this is normal, but it's funny that I
never experienced this before upgrading to Windows 10.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Don Moore <donmoore@...>
 

Hi Nicole,

I am using Windows 10, JAWS 17 (latest build) and Office 2013. The
only slowness I find is with Outlook 2013, where JAWS is slow to respond
when I press Control y to go to a particular folder and when I press Shift
Control v to move messages to a particular folder. However, if I press Shift
Control I to go back to the inbox, JAWS responds immediately. I called FS
about this slowness and was told that this is normal, but it's funny that I
never experienced this before upgrading to Windows 10.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Maria, you do in fact make a good point. *smile*

Cindy

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 5:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

 

Of course FS is no longer run by the blind for the blind as in the Henter Joyce days.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1@...
 
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 5/28/2016 6:48 PM, Tony wrote:

Actually, Jaws has become more of a problem than it used to be.  Back when
it was somewhere in the single digit release (I started with version 0 and
had a low 4 digit serial) I was able to do just about anything I needed with
Jaws.  Even graphics were mostly easy to work with.  Unfortunately, web and
software developers of today aren't willing to spend the three minutes it
would take to properly tag a webpage for accessibility.  And most of them
are proud they saved the boss that three minutes.  
 
If you can get to someone with the authority to correct the problem they
don't want to hear about it or where to find the accessibility
documentation.  Many sites that were a breeze three years ago, and workable
a year ago, are now margin at best.  Some sites that have not changed in the
past few years are likewise less accessible due to "improvements" made to
Jaws.
 
I haven't had any contact with Freedom Scientific in years but in the
distant past they would implement someone's brainstorm and not worry about
the side effects.  I once asked one of the techs how to read a progress bar.
He said to cut out a strip in a piece of cardboard, place it on the screen,
and use a light detector.  The job would have been completed before I got
the cardboard properly aligned.
 
My rant for the week.
 
Tony\
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging
 
Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging
 
My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging
 
Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
 
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.
 
 
I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.
 
Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Maria Campbell
 

Of course FS is no longer run by the blind for the blind as in the Henter Joyce days.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
On 5/28/2016 6:48 PM, Tony wrote:

Actually, Jaws has become more of a problem than it used to be.  Back when
it was somewhere in the single digit release (I started with version 0 and
had a low 4 digit serial) I was able to do just about anything I needed with
Jaws.  Even graphics were mostly easy to work with.  Unfortunately, web and
software developers of today aren't willing to spend the three minutes it
would take to properly tag a webpage for accessibility.  And most of them
are proud they saved the boss that three minutes.  

If you can get to someone with the authority to correct the problem they
don't want to hear about it or where to find the accessibility
documentation.  Many sites that were a breeze three years ago, and workable
a year ago, are now margin at best.  Some sites that have not changed in the
past few years are likewise less accessible due to "improvements" made to
Jaws.

I haven't had any contact with Freedom Scientific in years but in the
distant past they would implement someone's brainstorm and not worry about
the side effects.  I once asked one of the techs how to read a progress bar.
He said to cut out a strip in a piece of cardboard, place it on the screen,
and use a light detector.  The job would have been completed before I got
the cardboard properly aligned.

My rant for the week.

Tony\



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.

      
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.

















Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Tony
 

Actually, Jaws has become more of a problem than it used to be. Back when
it was somewhere in the single digit release (I started with version 0 and
had a low 4 digit serial) I was able to do just about anything I needed with
Jaws. Even graphics were mostly easy to work with. Unfortunately, web and
software developers of today aren't willing to spend the three minutes it
would take to properly tag a webpage for accessibility. And most of them
are proud they saved the boss that three minutes.

If you can get to someone with the authority to correct the problem they
don't want to hear about it or where to find the accessibility
documentation. Many sites that were a breeze three years ago, and workable
a year ago, are now margin at best. Some sites that have not changed in the
past few years are likewise less accessible due to "improvements" made to
Jaws.

I haven't had any contact with Freedom Scientific in years but in the
distant past they would implement someone's brainstorm and not worry about
the side effects. I once asked one of the techs how to read a progress bar.
He said to cut out a strip in a piece of cardboard, place it on the screen,
and use a light detector. The job would have been completed before I got
the cardboard properly aligned.

My rant for the week.

Tony\

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Jason White
 

Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade.
This depends on the effectiveness of the automated accessibility testing, the
beta testing with users, and the bug fixing.

Microsoft just released open-source software for automatically testing the
accessibility of a browser that uses User Interface Automation - as Edge will
after the next upgrade.

How far the automated testing will extend remains to be seen, however.

At the moment, nobody (Apple, Google, GNOME or Microsoft) seems to be doing
proper testing before making releases or during development.

Having only one main operating system version to support will make it easier
for Windows screen reader developers though.


So it is not just me: Jaws 17 Lagging

Tim Ford
 

I am relieved that the problems I noticed were not just me. What is reported below is exactly what I am experiencing, and the timing matches, starting a couple of builds ago. FS Support had me do a special command repair. and it seems to have helped some. But it is now clear that this is a wide-spread problem.

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Ugh, I'll look into that. Very nice of us to do troubleshooting for FS, free
of charge, isn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I reported to FS (or VFO) the following:

Since JAWS 17 last two minor builds, there is a 15 to 20 second delay when I
press Ctrl+F to do a find in IE. I'm also using Windows 7 on a 32-bit
machine. This has been annoying me for several weeks, and I finally reported
it.

Furthermore, I find that if I shut down JAWS 17 and launch JAWS 15 there is
absolutely no delay at all.

Same delay symptoms when invoking JAWS+F7 or JAWS+F5 in web pages. 15 to 20
second delay before responding.

FS suggested I remove all my startup processes using MSConfig, and just
enable JAWS. That fixed the problem, for now with JAWS 17. Now I'm asked by
FS to start enabling my startup processes one at a time until I find one
that is causing the problem. Essentially I'm doing the troubleshooting work
for FS -- so be it.

Give that a try yourself and see if the delays or sluggishness disappear.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging


I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Jason White
 

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox) and
it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there won't
be so many different versions to deal with.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

Oh, I've waited for 15-20 minutes and no joy. I'm going to start keeping
notes about this so I can submit a bug report.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole,

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:35 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging


Another thing I've noticed -- when I press Jaws+F11 it does something odd,
and the list of tray programs won't come up. If I press it again, even after
some time has passed, I get a note that Jaws can't open it because it's
already open. Rebooting Jaws seems to fix this issue, so it's an
intermittent problem where only sometimes the program has trouble with this.
Sort of odd.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I don't find too much lag in JAWS 17, but Narrator is terrible in that
department in W10. I also find much lag when connecting via bluetooth.
Most annoying.




Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1@gmail.com>

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
On 5/28/2016 12:08 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:


I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than
the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and
composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk
email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and
title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps
adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if
there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web
page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying
to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7
on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in
Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems
slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known
issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows
down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it
seems more
sluggish.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

Ugh, I'll look into that. Very nice of us to do troubleshooting for FS, free
of charge, isn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I reported to FS (or VFO) the following:

Since JAWS 17 last two minor builds, there is a 15 to 20 second delay when I
press Ctrl+F to do a find in IE. I'm also using Windows 7 on a 32-bit
machine. This has been annoying me for several weeks, and I finally reported
it.

Furthermore, I find that if I shut down JAWS 17 and launch JAWS 15 there is
absolutely no delay at all.

Same delay symptoms when invoking JAWS+F7 or JAWS+F5 in web pages. 15 to 20
second delay before responding.

FS suggested I remove all my startup processes using MSConfig, and just
enable JAWS. That fixed the problem, for now with JAWS 17. Now I'm asked by
FS to start enabling my startup processes one at a time until I find one
that is causing the problem. Essentially I'm doing the troubleshooting work
for FS -- so be it.

Give that a try yourself and see if the delays or sluggishness disappear.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging


I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Tom Behler
 

Can do, Dave, since I still have Jaws 16 on this machine.

I also thought of calling FS early next week, just to let them know about
the problem and to see what they say.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Tom,

Try a simple test. Use JAWS 16 for a while with everything else the same and
see if the problem continues or abates.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging


I, too, am having a problem with Jaws sluggishness with Outlook 2016.

It seems that as I continue to type an e-mail in Outlook, Jaws slows down in
terms of announcing my key strokes. In fact, sometimes, it gets to the
point where Jaws totally freezes, and I have to wait a few seconds for it to
recover.

I can't consistently replicate the problem, or link it to anything else that
might be running on my computer at the time, so if anyone has any
suggestions, please let me know.

Again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 17 here on a Windows 7 64-bit
laptop.

I don't recall having this problem with Outlook 2010 and Jaws 16 on this
same computer prior to my software upgrades.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave...
 

Tom,

Try a simple test. Use JAWS 16 for a while with everything else the same and
see if the problem continues or abates.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging


I, too, am having a problem with Jaws sluggishness with Outlook 2016.

It seems that as I continue to type an e-mail in Outlook, Jaws slows down in
terms of announcing my key strokes. In fact, sometimes, it gets to the
point where Jaws totally freezes, and I have to wait a few seconds for it to
recover.

I can't consistently replicate the problem, or link it to anything else that
might be running on my computer at the time, so if anyone has any
suggestions, please let me know.

Again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 17 here on a Windows 7 64-bit
laptop.

I don't recall having this problem with Outlook 2010 and Jaws 16 on this
same computer prior to my software upgrades.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.