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Re: PDF email attachments

 

Carolyn Arnold asked, "Have you tried copying all of what JAWS says is blank, pasting into a word document and see if you can read it?"

You're just going to have to trust me on this or experiment yourself, but this doesn't work.  If JAWS is saying "blank" it's because, as the file stands, there is no text to recognize and thus, no text to copy.  The PDF is a series of images of pages which is in no way readable.  If you copy it you copy a series of images and paste a series of images that remains unreadable.

This is why optical character recognition is absolutely necessary.

Brian
-- 
I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when looked at in the right way, did not become still more complicated.
     ~  Poul Anderson


Re: Firefox and Alerts

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

Once the alerts come up, how can you get beyond them to navigate the
particular web page you are on?

Sometimes, I find that I have to completely back out of Firefox, and then
get back in to it to eliminate the alert, which is a pain, to say the least.

And, what if any is the value of the alerts?

Just trying to learn here! (smile)

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox and Alerts

I haven't found any way to stop alerts from coming up in Firefox.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox and Alerts


Bill:

Is there any way to stop the alerts from coming up in Firefox?

Perhaps there may be some value to them, but I find that they get in the
way
of navigation.

I've found this problem to be especially annoying, most recently in
Firefox
46.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox and Alerts

Alerts come up once in Firefox without having to press any key. The
drawback
is that once the alerts come up, and then disappear, they are gone. There
is
no key which can be pressed to get back the alert message.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:17 AM
Subject: Firefox and Alerts


In IE it was easy--Press Alt-N. How are the alerts gotten to in FF?






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Re: Firefox and Alerts

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I haven't found any way to stop alerts from coming up in Firefox.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox and Alerts


Bill:

Is there any way to stop the alerts from coming up in Firefox?

Perhaps there may be some value to them, but I find that they get in the way
of navigation.

I've found this problem to be especially annoying, most recently in Firefox
46.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox and Alerts

Alerts come up once in Firefox without having to press any key. The drawback
is that once the alerts come up, and then disappear, they are gone. There is
no key which can be pressed to get back the alert message.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:17 AM
Subject: Firefox and Alerts


In IE it was easy--Press Alt-N. How are the alerts gotten to in FF?






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Re: Firefox and Alerts

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

Is there any way to stop the alerts from coming up in Firefox?

Perhaps there may be some value to them, but I find that they get in the way
of navigation.

I've found this problem to be especially annoying, most recently in Firefox
46.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox and Alerts

Alerts come up once in Firefox without having to press any key. The drawback
is that once the alerts come up, and then disappear, they are gone. There is
no key which can be pressed to get back the alert message.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:17 AM
Subject: Firefox and Alerts


In IE it was easy--Press Alt-N. How are the alerts gotten to in FF?






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Re: PDF email attachments

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

OK, so it is Insert-Space first then. Disregard my previous query.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 4:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDF email attachments

Laura, you press insert Space, lift up those keys, then press O followed by D.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDF email attachments

Brian,



Sorry if I seem a bit dippy (LOL) but I’m still confused. Also, I use a desktop keyboard for my laptop computer …… I’m trying to figure out how I’m going to hold down the space bar and the insert key on the numb pad at the same time while pressing O and D.



Laura



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDF email attachments



Laura,

To be perfectly honest I very, very seldom have clients do OCR using JAWS itself, but in consulting my Keyboard Shortcuts document the Recognize Current PDF Document is INSERT+Spacebar, followed by O and then D. The Announce Help Message for OCR commands is INSERT+Spacebar, followed by O and then the question mark.

I don't even know if JAWS OCR results can be permanently saved with the file that's just been OCR-ed. Someone can surely say whether they can or cannot that uses the feature with some frequency.

I use a third party PDF Viewer that isn't very accessible from a "use it as a PDF reader with a screen reader" perspective, but its OCR function is excellent, allows you to save the resulting text layer with the original file for later use. That OCR function is completely accessible, too.

Brian
--
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~ Poul Anderson


Re: PDF email attachments

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

You said Insert Space and O, but on the next one, Insert O then Space. I am assuming that it is Insert-Space-O-D and Insert-Space-O-C?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 4:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDF email attachments

Hi Laura,

You are correct. Insert-Space, O and D will scan a multiple page document. Insert-O, space and C will scan a single page. I did try the first option the other day on a pdf document that was reported as blank, and Jaws reported, OCR Failed to Start, so I could not complete the process on that pdf file. It was Dragon Naturally Speaking documentation which I was unable to scan.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDF email attachments

Brian,



When I opened the PDF attachment and tried to read it Jaws did what you said, it said “blank”. Since I didn’t know what OCR was and have never used this I did a Google search. The information I found said to press insert + space bar, O, D to run OCR.



Could you please tell me if this information is correct before I try this? ...... If this is not correct, could you tell me how to use OCR to read PDF documents?



Often I’m hesitant to try things because it could be several days before I would have a sighted person available to help if something messes up and my computer won’t talk to me.



Laura





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 6:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDF email attachments



Laura,

Also know that if you open something in Adobe Reader and you get the statement "blank" from JAWS it's almost certainly an old PDF that was scanned as an image PDF, which means each page, even if it's entirely composed of text is, for all practical intents and purposes, a picture. If you know that the content is text then you will need to run OCR on the document before it can be read.

Even thought you can open PDFs using more recent versions of MS-Office, I believe that only works for PDF files that already have a text layer and are searchable. If someone can try to open a PDF file that they know to be an image PDF using Office and report back I'd love to know exactly what office does and whether there's any "behind the scenes" OCR as part of the conversion process. I'm suspecting not.


Brian
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Re: Reading text in Windows 10 Settings application

Jason White
 

Here's a good example of the kind that Brian suggested:

The option to enable developer mode in Settings displays a warning, then
prompts the user to confirm. I selected "no" for now (I may need to revisit
this when the update is released that allows Linux software to be installed).


Re: PDF email attachments

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Have you tried copying all of what JAWS says is blank, pasting into a word document and see if you can read it?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDF email attachments

Brian,



Ding! (smile); I understand now but am somewhat frustrated …… The first time I opened this attachment Jaws said “blank” and now when I open the attachment it tells me “Alert: Empty document” and when I try to run OCR it says there is no document (sigh). I’m very appreciative for your help and others who have given input on this and hope y’all will be able to help me resolve this issue.



It’s getting late in my time zone so I think I’ll call it a night and try again in the morning.



Thank you,

Laura





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 10:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDF email attachments



Laura,

Each of us has been dippy at one point or another in our lives!!

You don't hold down all four keys at once. The description from the shortcut file I gave earlier is accurate. It's INSERT+Spacebar, [release that dual key press], followed by O, [release that letter O], followed by D [release that letter D]. The same for the announce help messages for OCR except that final character is a question mark instead of a D.

There are some triple and quadruple key presses that are for very rarely used commands that one doesn't ever want to trigger unintentionally. In that case it would be written with the plus sign between all three or four keys, an artificial example would be something like INSERT+CTRL+SHIFT+NumPad Multiply.

Brian
--
I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when looked at in the right way, did not become still more complicated.
~ Poul Anderson


Re: Reading text in Windows 10 Settings application

Jason White
 

Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

            Have you tried hitting the F1 button to see if Microsoft has put
help text on these controls that matches what the control labels are?  That
is a common, if not universal, practice.

Thanks. I'll try it. I'll also investigate the use of the touch cursor in this
context.


Re: Firefox and Alerts

Robert Logue
 

I've learned to listen for the hot key announcement with most alerts. Sometimes it's alt+r. Or alt+a. It depends on the context of the alert. I press the hot key then tab to the choices if any.
It's a pain if I miss it or if Jaws somehow doesnn't read it.

Bob

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Alerts come up once in Firefox without having to press any key. The drawback is that once the alerts come up, and then disappear, they are gone. There is no key which can be pressed to get back the alert message.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:17 AM
Subject: Firefox and Alerts


In IE it was easy--Press Alt-N. How are the alerts gotten to in FF?






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Re: Firefox and Alerts

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Alerts come up once in Firefox without having to press any key. The drawback is that once the alerts come up, and then disappear, they are gone. There is no key which can be pressed to get back the alert message.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:17 AM
Subject: Firefox and Alerts


In IE it was easy--Press Alt-N. How are the alerts gotten to in FF?






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Firefox and Alerts

Steve Matzura
 

In IE it was easy--Press Alt-N. How are the alerts gotten to in FF?


Re: My monitor is totally black

"Kevin Hourigan " <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello George,
I have had that a few times, and rebooting fixed it, if you have not tried that already.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Marshall
Sent: May 14, 2016 7:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: My monitor is totally black


Hi:

I hope someone can help, give me some ideas? As I stated in this subject line my monitor won't come on. I've checked in the devices and clicked on the monitor. It tells me this device is working properly but the screen is black. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

Thanks for any help,
George R. Marshall
geoma4.marshall@gmail.com


Re: My monitor is totally black

Charles Coe
 

Hi, George,

I would suggest googling the "black monitor repair" . You will find solutions on how to repair this type of problem. There is even you tube videos on the topic.

You may have a problem with worn out capacitors in the monitor if it has been used a lot.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My monitor is totally black

George,

Most separate PC monitors have an on-off switch. have you looked for anything like that?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Marshall" <geoma4.marshall@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 07:47 AM
Subject: My monitor is totally black



Hi:

I hope someone can help, give me some ideas? As I stated in this subject
line my monitor won't come on. I've checked in the devices and clicked on
the monitor. It tells me this device is working properly but the screen is
black. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

Thanks for any help,
George R. Marshall
geoma4.marshall@gmail.com


Re: Reading text in Windows 10 Settings application

 

Hi,
Touch cursor is the best around solution for this.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading text in Windows 10 Settings application

Although everything which receives focus in the Settings application can be
read with JAWS, the JAWS cursor and Insert+B commands are unable to review
any of the text.

There are situations in which I need to read text that does not receive
focus.
For example, when "yes" and "no" buttons are presented, I need to read the
text that precedes them so as to understand the question asked.


Is there a known solution?


Re: Reading text in Windows 10 Settings application

 

Jason,

            Have you tried hitting the F1 button to see if Microsoft has put help text on these controls that matches what the control labels are?  That is a common, if not universal, practice.

            If that does work would you please report back on what dialog(s) you've used it with?

Brian
-- 
I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when looked at in the right way, did not become still more complicated.
     ~  Poul Anderson


Reading text in Windows 10 Settings application

Jason White
 

Although everything which receives focus in the Settings application can be
read with JAWS, the JAWS cursor and Insert+B commands are unable to review any
of the text.

There are situations in which I need to read text that does not receive focus.
For example, when "yes" and "no" buttons are presented, I need to read the
text that precedes them so as to understand the question asked.


Is there a known solution?


Re: My monitor is totally black

Dave...
 

George,

Most separate PC monitors have an on-off switch. have you looked for
anything like that?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Marshall" <geoma4.marshall@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 07:47 AM
Subject: My monitor is totally black



Hi:

I hope someone can help, give me some ideas? As I stated in this subject
line my monitor won't come on. I've checked in the devices and clicked on
the monitor. It tells me this device is working properly but the screen is
black. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

Thanks for any help,
George R. Marshall
geoma4.marshall@gmail.com


Re: Windows 10 settings

 

I believe what you're referring to is in the Updates & Security Dialog, Windows Updates Pane, under the Advanced Options Link.   Once you have opened the Advanced Options dialog, there is a link that reads "Choose How Updates are Delivered," activate it.   In the dialog that comes up you have a Toggle Switch that tells you that when it's turned on your computer may send part or all of updates it has already downloaded to either other computers on your local network or on your local network and the internet, depending on what you have selected in the radio button group below.

That radio button group lets you select PCs on my local network or PCs on my local network and PCs on the internet.

If you anticipate even the possibility of having more than one Windows 10 machine on your local network it makes no sense to turn this feature off entirely, since you could save time and data traffic by allowing computers only on your local network to exchange Windows Updates with each other rather than making each download the same update on its own.  I have that feature turned on, but with the "PCs on my local network" radio button checked so that I'm not serving as a potential Windows Update server to the world at large.

Brian
-- 
I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when looked at in the right way, did not become still more complicated.
     ~  Poul Anderson


Re: My monitor is totally black

 

George,

            Have you tested it on another machine.  It is possible that the monitor itself has died.  When that's the case the Device Manager will still report that the monitor is working properly because from the computer's side, it is.

            If this is a laptop I have other possibilities, but more information is needed.

Brian
-- 
I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when looked at in the right way, did not become still more complicated.
     ~  Poul Anderson