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Re: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

 

Hi,

Press Numpad Plus twice quickly to return to PC cursor.

Despite its name, touch cursor isn’t limited to tablets – it is actually a fancy name for object navigation. Touch cursor comes in handy if you need to work with modern apps (including universal apps) where object navigation/touch cursor usage is essential.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

 

Hello list,

So while typing away doing this and that on my business desktop, I must have been too fast and sloppy because now, I seem to have enabled some sort of touch mode for a tablet PC and Jaws. Naturally, the famous search for command feature that was introduced in one of the recent Jaws updates isn’t giving me any results no matter what I type. Poking around the Jaws help files isnt’ giving me anything either. I have to imagine it’s a toggle keystroke, but so far, I haven’t found it. The closeest I’ve come to is insert+shift+semi-colin for the touch cursor which doesn’t’ get me out of this mode.

I’m banging  out this email on my personal laptop, but I need to be able to work with my business machine. I thought I’d shoot an email to folks with more experience with the touch interface of Jaws while I continue my search  for a solution.

 

Thanks,


Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

Robert Logue
 

Thanks Artur. It is crazy that that dialog does not always show up using Jaws.  I've seen that happen lots of times before the current versions of Reader and Jaws.  I've had to hunt for it many times over the last few years.

I see they have slightly changed the name of the dialog.
Reading Untagged Document with Assistive Technology

And, yes. I just tested by alt tabbing away from the dialog and it is not in focus when I alt tab back to Acrobat Reader DC.
However, I Press the Jaws to pc key and landed right on it this time.
But, then when I rout pc to jaws, it's still not in focus. 
Had to right click something to focus it.

I just tested with NVDA and can't even get back to the dialog.  It's like it is in a sepperet window that is removed from the app switching list when I alt tab away.  I have no idea how to get back to it with NVDA.

Now I need to read the whole thread to see what else is being done to fix this.

Bob

On 2/4/2016 4:33 AM, Artur Räpp wrote:

Hi,

 

I don’t have any problems with the newest adobe reader.

And there is  really a place where you shouln’d alt+tab. That is when you open a PDF file and Adobe Reader opens the dialog „how to read this PDF file. If you don’t wait enouch and alt+tab avay then you can’t alt+tab back to this dialog. You have only two possibilities wait and hope that this dialog moves into focus or search it trough  JAWS+f10  application list.

If you start alt+tabing then you get lost and cann’tfind the dialog and cann’t read the PDF file..

There is nothing to do with JAWS, Adobe made it’s software in such way.

 

Artur

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 5:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

 

Anybody remember the film “Fire Fox”?  Now those are the smarts we need—make my day!

 

Ted

 

From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

 

Or like telling the same blind computer user to pick up a mouse and will it to do what you think.  Alt tabbing is as normal as breathing.  JB

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 6:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 03:24 pm, ptusing <ptusing@...> wrote:

simply do not ever alt tab.

 Yeah, right.  This is akin to telling a computer user who can't see the system tray to "simply do not ever breathe."

Oy!

Brian



Resolved Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

Cristóbal
 

A quick follow up. I figured it out. PC cursor press twice quickly.

Thank you,

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:11 PM
To: 'jfw@groups.io'
Subject: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

 

Hello list,

So while typing away doing this and that on my business desktop, I must have been too fast and sloppy because now, I seem to have enabled some sort of touch mode for a tablet PC and Jaws. Naturally, the famous search for command feature that was introduced in one of the recent Jaws updates isn’t giving me any results no matter what I type. Poking around the Jaws help files isnt’ giving me anything either. I have to imagine it’s a toggle keystroke, but so far, I haven’t found it. The closeest I’ve come to is insert+shift+semi-colin for the touch cursor which doesn’t’ get me out of this mode.

I’m banging  out this email on my personal laptop, but I need to be able to work with my business machine. I thought I’d shoot an email to folks with more experience with the touch interface of Jaws while I continue my search  for a solution.

 

Thanks,


Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So while typing away doing this and that on my business desktop, I must have been too fast and sloppy because now, I seem to have enabled some sort of touch mode for a tablet PC and Jaws. Naturally, the famous search for command feature that was introduced in one of the recent Jaws updates isn’t giving me any results no matter what I type. Poking around the Jaws help files isnt’ giving me anything either. I have to imagine it’s a toggle keystroke, but so far, I haven’t found it. The closeest I’ve come to is insert+shift+semi-colin for the touch cursor which doesn’t’ get me out of this mode.

I’m banging  out this email on my personal laptop, but I need to be able to work with my business machine. I thought I’d shoot an email to folks with more experience with the touch interface of Jaws while I continue my search  for a solution.

 

Thanks,


Re: Google Cast extiion

Shane clark
 

brian, thanks for this info.
Here's my next question, do you think its possible for me to be able to connect this laptop to my TV via a wire of some sort? Maybe something like a VGA to HDMI, or USB to HDMI? Those are about the only ports that I have on this machine, as this computer is from 2009 or 2010, can't remember which right off hand. Shane.


On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 3:21 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Shane,

           The Chromecast extension will only cast what appears in a tab in Chrome (or full screen if enlarged from Chrome) to your TV set.  JAWS 11 is, at this point, in "the wayback machine" as far as web browser features go and I'm not surprised that it is not announcing the pop-up/drop-down menu for Chromecast.  I just now tested with NVDA and it is announcing "Google Cast Extension" when it lands on the button in Chrome's main control bar and is announcing all the items, the first of which is "cast to {the name I gave my Chromecast dongle}, followed by "separator," menu items options, send feedback, and help.

           I just looked at the Kodi.tv website and Kodi appears to be a stand-alone media player program.  I see no browser-related extensions/add-ins on their site and searches on cast, casting, and Chromecast turn up nothing that indicates Kodi and Chromecast can be used together in any way.

Brian


Re: uninstalling talking installer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Jim. You'll be fine as long as the Talking Installer you are removing is not for the current version you are using for JAWS.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim L
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:42 PM
Subject: uninstalling talking installer

Heya folks,

 

Been doing a general clean up of my windows 7 PC and found I had a few versions of Jaws talking installers still installed which I uninstalled those Jaws versions awhile ago, as am using the latest Jaws 17 now. Is it safe to uninstall those older talking installers 15 and 16 and won’t affect my latest version 17 in any way?

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 


TB annoyance

Mario
 

every time Thunderbird is started and when I want to send an email, I am asked for a password. someone mentioned there might be a broken setting or something like that, but I can't recall the fix. someone help as it's becoming rather annoying.


uninstalling talking installer

Jim L
 

Heya folks,

 

Been doing a general clean up of my windows 7 PC and found I had a few versions of Jaws talking installers still installed which I uninstalled those Jaws versions awhile ago, as am using the latest Jaws 17 now. Is it safe to uninstall those older talking installers 15 and 16 and won’t affect my latest version 17 in any way?

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 


Re: Google Cast extiion

 

Shane,

           The Chromecast extension will only cast what appears in a tab in Chrome (or full screen if enlarged from Chrome) to your TV set.  JAWS 11 is, at this point, in "the wayback machine" as far as web browser features go and I'm not surprised that it is not announcing the pop-up/drop-down menu for Chromecast.  I just now tested with NVDA and it is announcing "Google Cast Extension" when it lands on the button in Chrome's main control bar and is announcing all the items, the first of which is "cast to {the name I gave my Chromecast dongle}, followed by "separator," menu items options, send feedback, and help.

           I just looked at the Kodi.tv website and Kodi appears to be a stand-alone media player program.  I see no browser-related extensions/add-ins on their site and searches on cast, casting, and Chromecast turn up nothing that indicates Kodi and Chromecast can be used together in any way.

Brian


Re: Google Cast extiion

Shane clark
 

Hi Brian,
So I got together with my niece, and we tried casting my computer too there TV, and this is what we came up with so far. First, Jaws 11, did not announce the area where it says the name of your chromecast and  do you want to cast to this device or not. So I had no way of knowing when I was even there. Secondly, once we got the computer to cast to the TV, & I went to a program called Kodi, just to see if this will work, - informing me that so we were casting, all she could see on the TV was the Google Chrome window, so apparently nothing from Cody was being casted. So I'm not sure what was going on there, I do know however, that the video was playing, but just on my computer itself. So that's as far as we've gotten with this. So not sure what exactly is going on. Shane.


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016, 12:49 AM Shane clark <hshaneclark@...> wrote:

Hi,
Will check it out in the morning and let you know.
Shane.


On Mon, Feb 8, 2016, 11:23 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Shane,

         When you click the Google Cast button what is the first option in the dropdown menu?  It should be "Cast tab to {insert name you gave your Chromecast dongle at install}" and if it isn't it means that your Chromecast is not connected to your wireless network.  This should have been done when you did your install of Chromecast itself, but I can't know whether that worked or not.  If that's not the first thing in the menu, then arrow down until you reach the "Options" option and select it.  This should open a new tab in Chrome and throw focus to that tab.  It is for "Google Cast Extension Options" and contains a link to "Set up a new cast device" (as well as another to "Manage cast devices").

          You must have a Chromecast device already connected to your wireless network and recognized by the Google Cast extension before you can cast a tab to it.

         This is the best stab I can take with the information available.

Brian


locked Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

James Homuth
 

This thread in particular is a candidate for a closing. A little topic drift is expected on a mailing list this large. That's why I moved the list to groups.io - people who have no interest in the thread can, therefore, not be included in that thread. I've been keeping an eye on the original thread and a few others. For the moment, nothing has happened that's warranted me stepping in. Please keep it that way. In the meantime, if anyone has problems with something on the list, please refer to the policies.
 
James,
List Admin


From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: February-10-16 11:20 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 08:12 am, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
I think that changing a subject line to reflect the current topic is both helpful and respectful to the other members of the group.

 And I don't think that anyone would argue that fact provided the new subject might possibly have any interest to the broader group.  If you've dropped reading the originally referenced thread I will pretty much assure you that things like discussing our experience of age, how many 'c's are in Al Pacino's name, and a plethora of trivial sidebars are entirely unlikely to be subjects worthy of their own threads.

There's a balance to be struck, and so far not renaming most of the drifted contributions seems entirely reasonable based upon their very content.  They're not topics that warrant a separate thread and most likely would result in wailing about "off topic posts."  This very thread has the very real danger of starting that type of wailing, but here I am!

As far as moderators go, I'm in favor of hands-off except in case of flame war.  I've seen way more than one lively list, with mostly on-topic posts, die because a moderator enforced their own purity tests rather than letting the cohort posting decide what was OK and what was not.

Brian


locked Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

In the cases you've described, simply adding an OT: to the Subject would probably let the readers know it's gotten far afield of the list's topic range. And yes, I've seen and encountered many examples of over-moderation and also selective moderation too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:20 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 08:12 am, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:


I think that changing a subject line to reflect the current topic is both helpful and respectful to the other members of the group.

And I don't think that anyone would argue that fact provided the new subject might possibly have any interest to the broader group. If you've dropped reading the originally referenced thread I will pretty much assure you that things like discussing our experience of age, how many 'c's are in Al Pacino's name, and a plethora of trivial sidebars are entirely unlikely to be subjects worthy of their own threads.

There's a balance to be struck, and so far not renaming most of the drifted contributions seems entirely reasonable based upon their very content. They're not topics that warrant a separate thread and most likely would result in wailing about "off topic posts." This very thread has the very real danger of starting that type of wailing, but here I am!

As far as moderators go, I'm in favor of hands-off except in case of flame war. I've seen way more than one lively list, with mostly on-topic posts, die because a moderator enforced their own purity tests rather than letting the cohort posting decide what was OK and what was not.

Brian


locked Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 08:12 am, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
I think that changing a subject line to reflect the current topic is both helpful and respectful to the other members of the group.

 And I don't think that anyone would argue that fact provided the new subject might possibly have any interest to the broader group.  If you've dropped reading the originally referenced thread I will pretty much assure you that things like discussing our experience of age, how many 'c's are in Al Pacino's name, and a plethora of trivial sidebars are entirely unlikely to be subjects worthy of their own threads.

There's a balance to be struck, and so far not renaming most of the drifted contributions seems entirely reasonable based upon their very content.  They're not topics that warrant a separate thread and most likely would result in wailing about "off topic posts."  This very thread has the very real danger of starting that type of wailing, but here I am!

As far as moderators go, I'm in favor of hands-off except in case of flame war.  I've seen way more than one lively list, with mostly on-topic posts, die because a moderator enforced their own purity tests rather than letting the cohort posting decide what was OK and what was not.

Brian


locked Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

I think that changing a subject line to reflect the current topic is both helpful and respectful to the other members of the group. Assuming topic drift is a lot to ask, and any threading code worth its salt should be able to keep threads in the same conversation using message header data. (Even Outlook Express could do this back in 1995) That said, it's also very helpful if old threads are referenced in the subject line to let folks know it's drift from the prior topic. This has been the standard for netiquette dating back from the BBS and DARPANet days.
Here's an example of such a subject line:
Subject: USB Lego Interface (Was: Accessible Chutes and Ladders Diagnostics)
This both preserves thread awareness while also giving folks who may have dropped the thread a chance to return to it if they're interested. And it also helps moderators in monitoring topicality of a thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:44 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

Asked and answered on the original thread.

I doubt that people are thankful for the creation of a thread to complain about another thread that's been suffering thread drift for some days now. It could lead to some "interesting" snowballing were people to do that on a routine basis. Not changing the subject allows people to avoid uninteresting content far more easily. If there's actually another serious subject, then create a new thread.

Brian


locked Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

 

Asked and answered on the original thread.

I doubt that people are thankful for the creation of a thread to complain about another thread that's been suffering thread drift for some days now.  It could lead to some "interesting" snowballing were people to do that on a routine basis.  Not changing the subject allows people to avoid uninteresting content far more easily.  If there's actually another serious subject, then create a new thread.

Brian


Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Good to know, I’m a lot stronger on Spanish.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 4:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:56 pm, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

I'd bet on cc too.

 Al Pacino - single 'c'.  This page on pronouncing consonants in Italian gives good guidelines.  Since Al's 'c' is before an 'i' it gets the same treatment as the "ch" in church does.

Brian, mega thread drift


locked Re: Subject Change: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

Dave...
 


Cindy, that's a very good question. And then ask yourself the same...
 
Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: Cindy Ray
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

How come you all don’t change the subject lines on these messages?

Cindy Lou Ray

 

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 2:20 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

 

Uh huh!

 

From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 4:30 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

 

Hi Ted,

When my alarm goes off, instead of 49, I feel 63 Lol! Have a great one.

 

 

Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:55 AM

Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

 

Hope so, I’m 63.  I don’t feel it, except at 4:00 A.M. , when I respond to that darn alarm; then I feel every minute of it!

 

Ted

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 11:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 02:45 am, Angel <angel238@...> wrote:

do so with arrogance

Sincerely, physician, heal thyself.

Also, I don't think that 53 years is "youthful" in any common sense of the term.


Re: Unable to edit cells in Excel

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

Check your scroll lock key -- that causes odd behavior in Excel.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to edit cells in Excel

Excel 2010. Working with call center data, some cells as wide as 210
characters. Using f2 to edit, sometimes JAWS reads the cell, sometimes part
of the cell, and sometimes it just says 'blank.' In one spread sheet JAWS
reads fine until row 135, then just says 'blank' for the next 500 rows. I
can type new data into the cell, but get 'blank' when I need to use f2 to
edit.

Using JAWS 16, Windows 7, Office 2010. Is there some exotic setting that
says 'edit the stinker, no matter what'?

thanks,

Ann


Unable to edit cells in Excel

Ann Byrne
 

Excel 2010. Working with call center data, some cells as wide as 210 characters. Using f2 to edit, sometimes JAWS reads the cell, sometimes part of the cell, and sometimes it just says 'blank.' In one spread sheet JAWS reads fine until row 135, then just says 'blank' for the next 500 rows. I can type new data into the cell, but get 'blank' when I need to use f2 to edit.

Using JAWS 16, Windows 7, Office 2010. Is there some exotic setting that says 'edit the stinker, no matter what'?

thanks,

Ann


Re: Reporting technical issues to groups.io

James Homuth
 

I've also brought this up on the development list for groups.io. If I hear anything further there I'll pass it on to affected members.


From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: February-09-16 12:59 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Reporting technical issues to groups.io

Since we now have a crop of people having the mute function not mute, and there's power in numbers as far as trouble reports go, I thought I'd start this thread.

Groups.io uses e-mail to report technical issues and that address is support@groups.io [support at groups dot io].

I've just sent an e-mail regarding the mute function and encourage others for whom it's not working to do the same.  I have reported that at least one JFW user states that it is working as advertised for her, but the majority of us aren't seeing any effect from it at all.  The request number associated with my report is 978.  Feel free to reference it so that they can link reports together.

Brian