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Re: Action Keys Mode - A Warning to Those Buying Certain New Laptops

Russell Solowoniuk
 

When I purchased my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 laptop a little over a year ago from Future Shop, I had the tech guys there go into the bios and set the function keys to behave the way I needed for Jaws use. I had a bit of a fight to get them to do this, but insisted they do it or I would purchase the laptop somewhere where they would do it for me. It took the tech guy all of 3 minutes to do this. Don’t forget, when you are spending good money, that you have a right to have your laptop set up in a way that will work for you. It’s much easier to get them to do it before the sale is made! :).

Thanks,

Russell

On Jan 31, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For all I know the following may apply to some desktops and/or all-in-ones, too, but I've not yet encountered it in these environments.

Since the beginning of the laptop, convention had been that the function keys across the very top of the keyboard required the Fn key that's nested along the very bottom of the keyboard to be held before hitting a given function key to make it perform whatever function the manufacturer defines for that key.  Most people are familiar with function keys to do things like:  volume up, volume down, mute, wireless on/off, brightness up, brightness down, etc.

There is a new feature that HP, at least, calls "Action Keys Mode" which turns this convention on its head.  When activated, this makes a simple press of a given function key trigger its function rather than being passed along to whatever application as a key press.  This can have some "interesting" effects for screen reader users.  This function is currently enabled by default on my laptop and the F6 key so happens to be the Mute on/off toggle key.  When using NVDA, if I press F6 it simply toggles the mute state.  In order to make it behave as F6 normally would I must hit Fn+F6.  This does not apply if the SHIFT is pressed along with F6 in order to reverse the direction.  That works perfectly well.  I can only imagine the chaos this could unleash if you start using the various commands that employ the function keys on a system with Action Keys Mode activated.

Action Keys Mode can be disabled, but it is controlled via UEFI/BIOS.  On my machine one disables it by activating the UEFI menu by doing a repeated ESC key press during boot and selecting F10 choice.  Once the old-fashioned BIOS-like screen pops up, you have to transition to the System Configuration pane and arrow to the Action Keys Mode entry and disable it.  Since this is done well before the operating system is even involved, I don't know of a single screen reader that could be active to accomplish the task.

Since this mode is controlled by the hardware ahead of any intervention by anything else, you must disable it if you wish your function keys to operate "the way they always have."

Brian



Re: Jaws 17 issues with edit fields in Internet Explorer 11

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi,

I haven’t written to FS yet, mainly because I don’t have much faith in FS tech support these days. I thought I’d ask here first, and if no one gave a solution, FS tech support will be my next step. Looks like it’s come to that! Wish me luck! LOL.

Russell

On Jan 31, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Walt Smith <ka3lists@...> wrote:

Have all of you who are having this problem actually reported it to FS as an
issue in JAWS 17? Also, this is why I always keep at least one older version
of JAWS on my computer any time I install a newer one: this way, I can exit
the latest version and bring up the older one if I encounter a problem that
wasn't present in the earlier version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Solowoniuk [mailto:rsolowoniuk@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:21 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 issues with edit fields in Internet Explorer 11

Yes, I've had many issues with Facebook as well. I'm surprised at all the
problems I'm having with edit fields elsewhere though! It seems like FS
continues to add new features that no one really wants, when they should be
concentrating on making daily tasks, like typing and editing text in web
browser edit fields work as they ought to. I don't know about anyone else on
this list, but, after a couple of days playing around with the "smart
navigation" feature, I went into settings centre and turned it off. I find
it quite a nuisance. Others may like it, and that's fine, but I'd sooner FS
make edit fields workable again.

Thanks for your feedback Carolyn.

Russell




Action Keys Mode - A Warning to Those Buying Certain New Laptops

 

For all I know the following may apply to some desktops and/or all-in-ones, too, but I've not yet encountered it in these environments.

Since the beginning of the laptop, convention had been that the function keys across the very top of the keyboard required the Fn key that's nested along the very bottom of the keyboard to be held before hitting a given function key to make it perform whatever function the manufacturer defines for that key.  Most people are familiar with function keys to do things like:  volume up, volume down, mute, wireless on/off, brightness up, brightness down, etc.

There is a new feature that HP, at least, calls "Action Keys Mode" which turns this convention on its head.  When activated, this makes a simple press of a given function key trigger its function rather than being passed along to whatever application as a key press.  This can have some "interesting" effects for screen reader users.  This function is currently enabled by default on my laptop and the F6 key so happens to be the Mute on/off toggle key.  When using NVDA, if I press F6 it simply toggles the mute state.  In order to make it behave as F6 normally would I must hit Fn+F6.  This does not apply if the SHIFT is pressed along with F6 in order to reverse the direction.  That works perfectly well.  I can only imagine the chaos this could unleash if you start using the various commands that employ the function keys on a system with Action Keys Mode activated.

Action Keys Mode can be disabled, but it is controlled via UEFI/BIOS.  On my machine one disables it by activating the UEFI menu by doing a repeated ESC key press during boot and selecting F10 choice.  Once the old-fashioned BIOS-like screen pops up, you have to transition to the System Configuration pane and arrow to the Action Keys Mode entry and disable it.  Since this is done well before the operating system is even involved, I don't know of a single screen reader that could be active to accomplish the task.

Since this mode is controlled by the hardware ahead of any intervention by anything else, you must disable it if you wish your function keys to operate "the way they always have."

Brian


Re: working with application mode

Adrian Spratt
 

Bob,

I find the way to work with applications mode is not to. When JAWS verbalizes "applications mode," I press the PC cursor key twice to get out of it. After that, navigation and reading work fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Logue [mailto:bobcat11@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: working with application mode

Can I get some pointers to documentation for working with application
mode and Jaws on web pages?
A search for application mode in the Jaws manual didn't find anything
helpful.

I'm not having much luck using application mode where I find it more
often these days. Standard keyboard navigation just does not
work.Perhaps there are tricks I don't know about.

Bob


Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

brian albriton
 

Thank you much.]
You've all got me on the right track.
Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

there is also another one. after starting internet explorer, press
control+j, tab to and enter on the options button, there is a check box
to play a sound when the download completes. press space bar to check it if
it isn't already, tab to and enter on ok button.


On 1/31/2016 4:18 PM, Mario wrote:
in internet explorer, there are 2 setting in the advanced tab. they are
Play system sounds and Notify when downloads complete. if either are
off, press the space bar to toggle it on. tab to and press enter on the
ok button.

On 1/31/2016 3:33 PM, brian albriton wrote:
Hi, folks. How do I get a download sound to play when a download is
complete with internet explorer?

Brian

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...


Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

brian albriton
 

Thanks Lee.
Just to clarify a little bit, I've no trouble finding the download. I just
miss what seem to happen by default in earlier versions of windows. When the
download was complete, you would hear a piano chord or some such. I'm just
not finding the event in sound schemes which corresponds to when a download
is complete

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Maschmeyer [mailto:leemer1@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

Hi Brian,

Not sure exactly what you want. Here are some possible answers:

At least in Windows 7, downloaded files go into:

c:\users\<YourID>\Downloads

Using the Run (Windows+R) dialog you can enter just a period (.) and press
Enter. This will open the c:\users|<YourID> folder. Then navigate to the
Downloads folder and from there click on the name of the file you just
downloaded.

If you're downloading from a website like otrcat.com that has a download
button click on that. You'll get a message that says Notification bar and
tells you to hit Alt+N. Do so and you're on several buttons such as Open,
Save, and a couple others.

HTH,

--

Lee Maschmeyer

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to
others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you
had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."
--Lewis Carroll


Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

Lee Maschmeyer
 

Note that OK is often the default button. When you've done your thing, press Insert+E and Jaws will tell you if it knows what will happen if you press Enter. This frequently saves some tabbing to the OK button. Be careful though because sometimes the default button is Quit!

--

Lee Maschmeyer

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."
--Lewis Carroll


Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi All,
 
Below is a Dropbox download link for Jaws Desktop, Laptop, & Windows keystrokes:
 
 
 
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Hi Mike,

Could you include it in the body of your message?

 

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

 

Well, I guess the list doesn't allow attachments anymore.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:17 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

 

Hi Brian,

 

Take a look at the attached file.  I put together these keystrokes not too long ago, but I don't recall from what version of Jaws I referenced for them.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:47 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

 

Nermin,

           Thanks, I'll give this a look.  But what I was hoping for is an actual reference document that one could either print or carry around in electronic format of some sort.  It's handy to have this sort of thing when "plotting strategy" for some things that seldom need to happen.

           That layout is exactly parallel to the keystrokes documents, but perhaps the "live content" is more extensive.  That could be helpful in the moment, but not so much when I'm not in front of a computer running JAWS.

Brian


Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi folks,

 

I don’t have sight help right now; therefore, if someone can try tethering the JAWS cursor to the virtual cursor insert+control, numpad – and see if that helps. In going through all the commands I know, I think this is the only one I see coming close to what we’re asking for; otherwise, I usually stop JAWS from reading and highlight a word so a sighted person can see exactly where JAWS is reading.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 09:30 am, Charles Coe <charlesmar@...> wrote:

When I need to find out what is on the screen or where I am in the application I have my son who is sighted hear what JAWS is reading so he can locate where JAWS is reading.

 Charles,

               That's what pretty much everyone does as far as sighted assistants go when confronted with JAWS processing something in its virtual space that cannot currently be seen on the screen.  Sometimes that's a simple task, but very often it's not.

               It would just be so much simpler for those who are working with a sighted assistant to have JAWS "follow along" on the screen to match where it is in JAWS virtual space.  It could also save hours of time when you're dealing with huge webpages that aren't all that easy to wade your way through to find that match-up.  It gets really interesting when there are intentionally invisible elements on a web page that JAWS detects but aren't necessarily accessibility related and are intentionally never meant to be interacted with by the visitor to that page.

Brian

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Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

Lee Maschmeyer
 

Hi Brian,

Not sure exactly what you want. Here are some possible answers:

At least in Windows 7, downloaded files go into:

c:\users\<YourID>\Downloads

Using the Run (Windows+R) dialog you can enter just a period (.) and press Enter. This will open the c:\users|<YourID> folder. Then navigate to the Downloads folder and from there click on the name of the file you just downloaded.

If you're downloading from a website like otrcat.com that has a download button click on that. You'll get a message that says Notification bar and tells you to hit Alt+N. Do so and you're on several buttons such as Open, Save, and a couple others.

HTH,

--

Lee Maschmeyer

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."
--Lewis Carroll


Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

Mario
 

there is also another one. after starting internet explorer, press control+j, tab to and enter on the options button, there is a check box to play a sound when the download completes. press space bar to check it if it isn't already, tab to and enter on ok button.

On 1/31/2016 4:18 PM, Mario wrote:
in internet explorer, there are 2 setting in the advanced tab. they are
Play system sounds and Notify when downloads complete. if either are
off, press the space bar to toggle it on. tab to and press enter on the
ok button.

On 1/31/2016 3:33 PM, brian albriton wrote:
Hi, folks. How do I get a download sound to play when a download is
complete with internet explorer?

Brian

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...


Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

Mario
 

in internet explorer, there are 2 setting in the advanced tab. they are Play system sounds and Notify when downloads complete. if either are off, press the space bar to toggle it on. tab to and press enter on the ok button.

On 1/31/2016 3:33 PM, brian albriton wrote:
Hi, folks. How do I get a download sound to play when a download is
complete with internet explorer?

Brian

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...


Download Sound In Internet Explorer

brian albriton
 

Hi, folks. How do I get a download sound to play when a download is complete with internet explorer?

Brian

 

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

 


Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

 

Mike,

           Could you either send this to me via e-mail or quote it here.

           Anyone not interacting with the JFW List in e-mail itself, but using the web forum interface, cannot see any attachments that someone else might send.  I've already identified this as an issue, but I have no idea who can resolve it.  The fact that attachments are not shown, let alone accessible, via the web interface means that the historical repository for the JFW List is missing big chunks of information people have shared or will share via attachments.

           There's also no way that I've encountered to even include an attachment from the web forum interface.

Brian


Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 10:46 am, Donna <mermaid7@...> wrote:
Could this possibly be what you are looking for? You could print it out if so. 

 On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 10:46 am, Donna <mermaid7@...> wrote:

Could this possibly be what you are looking for? You could print it out if so. 

 Donna,

              Thanks.  It's certainly much closer.  The F6 (and it's "reverse direction" SHIFT+F6) command is documented in this list and I've never seen it elsewhere.  Of course, the way it's described, "Switch Between Windows", is not in any way true as far as how Microsoft or anyone else using Windows would describe the action.  What it appears to do, in virtually any situation where I've used it, is to move you between control and/or display panes/regions/areas/whatever you might want to call them that reside within a single window.  ALT+TAB, which switches your focus between active programs, is far closer to "switch between windows" than what the F6 command does.

Brian


Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Charles Coe
 

Hi Mike,

Could you include it in the body of your message?

 

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

 

Well, I guess the list doesn't allow attachments anymore.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:17 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

 

Hi Brian,

 

Take a look at the attached file.  I put together these keystrokes not too long ago, but I don't recall from what version of Jaws I referenced for them.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:47 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

 

Nermin,

           Thanks, I'll give this a look.  But what I was hoping for is an actual reference document that one could either print or carry around in electronic format of some sort.  It's handy to have this sort of thing when "plotting strategy" for some things that seldom need to happen.

           That layout is exactly parallel to the keystrokes documents, but perhaps the "live content" is more extensive.  That could be helpful in the moment, but not so much when I'm not in front of a computer running JAWS.

Brian


Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Well, I guess the list doesn't allow attachments anymore.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Hi Brian,
 
Take a look at the attached file.  I put together these keystrokes not too long ago, but I don't recall from what version of Jaws I referenced for them.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Nermin,

           Thanks, I'll give this a look.  But what I was hoping for is an actual reference document that one could either print or carry around in electronic format of some sort.  It's handy to have this sort of thing when "plotting strategy" for some things that seldom need to happen.

           That layout is exactly parallel to the keystrokes documents, but perhaps the "live content" is more extensive.  That could be helpful in the moment, but not so much when I'm not in front of a computer running JAWS.

Brian


Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Brian,
 
Take a look at the attached file.  I put together these keystrokes not too long ago, but I don't recall from what version of Jaws I referenced for them.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Nermin,

           Thanks, I'll give this a look.  But what I was hoping for is an actual reference document that one could either print or carry around in electronic format of some sort.  It's handy to have this sort of thing when "plotting strategy" for some things that seldom need to happen.

           That layout is exactly parallel to the keystrokes documents, but perhaps the "live content" is more extensive.  That could be helpful in the moment, but not so much when I'm not in front of a computer running JAWS.

Brian


Re: Jaws 17 issues with edit fields in Internet Explorer 11

Tusing <ptusing@...>
 

HI,
Rgarding JAWS 17, I now refer to an earlier version of JAWS with FaceBook and include some maybe useful commands at the end of this message.
I am able to type in comments on FaceBook using JAWS 16 and I E 10 and all the words do appear.

Because a super tech helped me with FaceBook, I will put in some of what I learned.

ON FaceBook hit "e" to go to the FaceBook search editfield or
Simpler hit the "/" key (minus the quotes). You will be almost on top of the editfield for searching.
The "/" is listed under keystrokes for (sighted) users of FaceBook and is part of a command "control + /" which did not work as well for me.
However, you may find the / actually inside the edit field. Make sure to erase the /, and then type in the search term.
Also using semi forms mode makes the edit field easier to use.
Then if you hit "q" that takes one to the main region where search results can be found.

Hope this helps

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Wollenweber [mailto:dancingweed@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:04 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 issues with edit fields in Internet Explorer 11

Russell:

Yes, JAWS 17 plays havoc with edit fields. As I possibly already stated, when I'm on Facebook and write comments to someone else or on my own page, only the first letter gets posted. Yet, if I go back to JAWS 15, I have no problems at all. I'd like to know why this happens. This may be akin to the issues you're having with EDIT fields on Internet Explorer.

Kevin


Re: Is there a comprehensive/exhaustive list of JAWS keyboard shortcuts?

Donna <mermaid7@...>
 

Could this possibly be what you are looking for? You could print it out if so. 


Donna 

Nermin,

           Thanks, I'll give this a look.  But what I was hoping for is an actual reference document that one could either print or carry around in electronic format of some sort.  It's handy to have this sort of thing when "plotting strategy" for some things that seldom need to happen.

           That layout is exactly parallel to the keystrokes documents, but perhaps the "live content" is more extensive.  That could be helpful in the moment, but not so much when I'm not in front of a computer running JAWS.

Brian