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Re: Jaws 17 issues with edit fields in Internet Explorer 11

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I certainly have had that problem with Facebook, and I do not like that at all - about ready to say bye bye to the thing. The way I see it, there's a big world out there. Why should I put myself through something that presents such problems, especially when it once was not as much of one, but pretty much always has been somewhat.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Wollenweber [mailto:dancingweed@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:04 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 issues with edit fields in Internet Explorer 11

Russell:

Yes, JAWS 17 plays havoc with edit fields. As I possibly already stated, when I'm on Facebook and write comments to someone else or on my own page, only the first letter gets posted. Yet, if I go back to JAWS 15, I have no problems at all. I'd like to know why this happens. This may be akin to the issues you're having with EDIT fields on Internet Explorer.

Kevin


question on Jaws and telemarketing

Tom Macha <toml614@...>
 

Hello, everyone, I am a telemarketer. I am checking to see what equipment is available for headsets. I am using Jaws and an auto-dialer with aa, “Softphone.”  However; people can hear Jaws as well. IS there a way to prevent this from happening? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tom


Jaws conjoined with backblaze:

Angel
 


I forgot to mention in my last post, I am using Jaws 10 with windows XP.  If that assists.


Re: Jaws 17 issues with edit fields in Internet Explorer 11

Kevin Wollenweber <dancingweed@...>
 

Russell:

Yes, JAWS 17 plays havoc with edit fields. As I possibly already stated, when I'm on Facebook and write comments to someone else or on my own page, only the first letter gets posted. Yet, if I go back to JAWS 15, I have no problems at all. I'd like to know why this happens. This may be akin to the issues you're having with EDIT fields on Internet Explorer.

Kevin


Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

Angel
 


This is why dear Debbie Scales will always be missed.  The answers she gave for the programs she recommended we Jaws users use was tested by her, and worked every time they were tried.  It didn't hurt that she was blind herself.    

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

Hi, Brian. I wasn't trying to PO you. I wasn't even snarking. What I am saying is that even though Windows-based commands which should work with JAWS, sometimes don't. Windows-based commands don't even work consistently between screen readers. For this reason, I seldom give commands for other screen readers which I am not using, because I haven't tested them, and I may not even have the same computer configuration as the intended user. This often changes how JAWS works, and what it verbalizes.
 
I apologize if I came off sounding snarky. It is just so often difficult dealing with the gap between what sighted users offer and what it is practical for blind users to implement.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 08:49 am, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
You could get a copy of JAWS, become familiar with it, use it in 40-minute-mode, and see if some of these "solutions" actually work in JAWS, since you are on a JAWS users list, not a sighted users list.

 You know, this is the very sort of nasty snark that really does make me PO-ed.  Most of the stuff I offer has been tested on JAWS, as I've been tutoring JAWS for several years now.  When I know that the information I'm presenting is Windows-based, not JAWS based, and a very great deal of it is, it should work and virtually always does unless JAWS is capturing something as its own command ahead of Windows, which happens seldom.

I've started trying things in NVDA because Freedom Scientific is the only screen-reader producer who doesn't have a version of its screen reader available in a trial or testing form that lasts beyond 40 minutes.  Even then, I have a pretty decent sense of what needs to be verified versus what doesn't.  Sometimes I am wrong; I'm not perfect.

No one is forced to try the suggestions/"solutions" I offer, and if you find them objectionable, then please don't.  Just don't have the unmitigated gall to even imply that I'm just "pulling them out of thin air" without any consideration as to whether they're likely to work before offering them.

Brian



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A question about Jaws and Backblaze

Angel
 


I somehow got my external drive letters confused.  The drive letter J I was backing up, became confused with the letter I which I was not backing up.  I was trying to exchange the drive letters to what they were when backblaze began its original back up, but to no avail.  Jaws didn't seem to recognize the new drive letter among those I was to check in the settings menu of backblaze.  My sighted daughter, however,  told me the new drive letter assignment was among the drives in that menu.  She unchecked the now non existent drive letter with that which was shown among  the menu choices.  If such confusion occurs again, how will I be able to read with Jaws the newly assigned drive letter.  Was the problem a lack of knowledge concerning the different cursers, and their relationship with the backblaze program?  Or Does Jaws not read newly assigned drive letters.  If I should want to back up additional drives with different letters assigned them, I should like jaws to recognize them.  Is this a problem found only in the initial backing up process?   Is it likely to disappear after the initial backups are backed up?


Jaws 17 issues with edit fields in Internet Explorer 11

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi all,

I am running Jaws 17, latest update, Internet Explorer 11, on a Windows 7 machine at work. I am having lots of problems with edit fields in IE, and, for that matter, in Firefox 47. For example, if I copy some text from a PDF document or anywhere else, and paste it into the search edit field in Google, nothing gets pasted. Sometimes, if I go back and copy the text again, and alt tab back to the edit field and paste, it will show up but not all the time. If I press Insert + space, C I will be told that there is no text on the clipboard. This is very frustrating. I also have times when I’ve pasted text into an edit field in IE or Firefox, and when I arrow left and right to try to read the text, letters are repeated 2 or 3 times making it impossible to see if the text I wish there is actually what’s there. I hope this is making sense? I’m finding Jaws 17 to have quite a few issues browsing the web. Are others experiencing anything like this? If so, is there a fix, besides going back to Jaws 16 or 15? :)

I plan to write tech support, but wanted to check with you all first.

Thanks,

Russell


Re: copying formatting in Word 2010

judith bron
 

Shift down arrow selects the line

Control A selects the document

Control/shift right arrow selects the word

Hth, Judith

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 10:28 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: copying formatting in Word 2010

 

Can someone throw me a bone here and refresh my memory as to how one selects text via keyboard commands?  I cannot seem to find this documented and have forgotten.  I want to test out Format Painter with NVDA active to see if any of the NVDA layer may be screwing up the ability to complete format painting because the commands necessary to select the text to be painted somehow "undoes" the format paint process itself.

Brian


Re: CCleaner

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi Jim,

 

Currently, I use CCleaner pro. When you click on the cleaner button or not, if you tab to the list of places that can be cleaned by the software, i.e. Microsoft edge, Internet explorer and so on. These are usually check and they are the main categories. If they are check, then there is no need to check the subcategory items just tab over to analyze and press the button then run cleaner.  I’m running JAWS17 and Windows10. As far, as the registry button press it and then tab to scan wait until scan is finished,  JAWS  does annunciate the progress level, then tab to the fix selected item then tab to fix all selected items. The fix all button is not there until you fix the first one. I don’t know why it works that way. It just does. The tools button works in a similar manner. When the app open just tab around the screen and familiarize yourself with the layout of the land and go from there. There are other software on the market that claims to do a good job and they very might will; however, accessibility is somewhat of an issue; like,  WinZip System Utilities, Advance System Optimizer, and Tune-up utilities tool. I have used the others and found that CCleaner does a great job and is very accessible. There is a learning curve; but, what software doesn’t have one.

 

From: Jim L [mailto:jimscave@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 5:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: CCleaner

 

Heya folks,

 

How best to use latest Jaws 17 and Ccleaner? As for ages check boxes aren’t spoken in sub catogories and one doesn’t know what’s checked or not from one use to another as I like to be sure. Manually checking and unchecking so Jaws can speak check boxes is so time consuming and Jaws or PC cursor doesn’t work either.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

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CCleaner

Jim L
 

Heya folks,

 

How best to use latest Jaws 17 and Ccleaner? As for ages check boxes aren’t spoken in sub catogories and one doesn’t know what’s checked or not from one use to another as I like to be sure. Manually checking and unchecking so Jaws can speak check boxes is so time consuming and Jaws or PC cursor doesn’t work either.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 


Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:35 pm, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:
Brian says to click on the PDF file link, by which I think he means right-click, and select the “save” option. My system didn’t give a save option in the right-click or applications key menu.

 Now I'm going from memory, but no, what I meant is that after you've disabled the PDF Viewer in Chrome, the next PDF link you do a regular click on, as in left click, has caused a "Save" dialog to pop up on both my Windows 10 and Windows 7 machines.  I simply saved the file.

When the save is complete there is a control bar that comes up across the bottom of the Chrome screen that I mentioned last night that I can get focus on in NVDA via SHIFT+F6.  Once you are there, and have focus on the "button" for the downloaded file, which is announced as a submenu, if you open that submenu you should have a "Always show in system viewer/Adobe reader" option that must be checked.  Checking it does nothing for that particular file.

After that option has been checked any time I'm clicking, left clicking, on a link for a PDF file it is then being downloaded behind the scenes and immediately opened in Adobe Reader or my PDF Viewer of choice, whatever that may be.

Brian


go to--was copying format in Word

Ann Byrne
 

Goto is awesome. You can use it to direct your cursor to a cell, or to highlight a group of cells. After pressing either f5 or control+g, type the cells you want selected. If they are contiguous--i.e.,a1, b1, c1--you can type the first and last one, joined by a colon--a1:a3. If non-contiguous, join them with comma--a1,b3,x15. Press enter to complete the action, and your cells are selected. And the formatting just plunks itself into place from alt+h, f, p.


Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

Adrian Spratt
 

Tony,

 

After you disabled the PDF plug-in, were you able to handle PDF files? I wasn’t. Brian says to click on the PDF file link, by which I think he means right-click, and select the “save” option. My system didn’t give a save option in the right-click or applications key menu.

 

From: Tony [mailto:Tony@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:53 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

I had finally found it but your method is much easier and allowed me to be sure I had disabled the correct plugin.

 

Thanks

 

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 11:24 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Hi, Tony. One thing which you can do while in Chrome is:

 

Bring up the Address Bar, type in:

about:plugins

 

This will bring up all your AddOns. You can find the Adobe plugin in the list.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Tony

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Using Windows 7 Pro, latest Google, and Adobe DC.

 

In Adobe the directions for not reading PDFs in Chrome, itsays to go to tools > add-ons in Chrome.

 

Can’t find add-ons anywhere.

 

Any help appreciated.

 

Tony

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:12 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Adobe DC, JAWS 17, Win7. The Adobe XI checkbox you refer to is now buried in Adobe DC’s edit menu, as I explained in my original post. This checkbox, which purports to determine whether a PDF file will or will not open in a browser, works for IE, but has no impact on Chrome.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Adrian,

         If you're using something earlier than Adobe Reader DC, try opening the preferences for Adobe Reader and going to the "Internet" preferences.  There used to be a checkbox there labeled, "Display PDF in Browser," which was checked by default and needs to be unchecked.

         Since doing the same thing I recommended earlier Chrome is now attempting to download and save any PDF link I click rather than opening it in my chosen PDF viewer.  Based on what I'm finding out there this has been a recurring problem, but at least it gives you the option to save the file and then open it with your PDF Reader of choice.

          What version of Windows are you on and what Adobe Reader are you using.  It's become more than a bit complicated to disentangle browser, Windows, and Adobe tweaks necessary over time, much to everyone's chagrin.

Brian



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Re: Get error message when I try to do JAWS repair...

HAMILTON
 

First, sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I have spent much-needed time away from my PC. Every now and then, I have to get a bunch of other stuff done; so, have to "stop" myself from logging on. It allows me to concentrate on getting other projects done. To answer your questions: 1. is JAWS17.1377 installed? ... YES 2. if not then repair with the installed version then that is the version you need to repair with. ... N/A 3. was it an update or an actual download from freedomscientific? ... The first instal was an :update; but, I downloaded the J17.0.1337 ".exe" file from the FS download page. 4. where was it downloaded to as in folder? ... It was downloaded into my download folder; then, moved into the C:\ - the "root". 5. did you type the path address or copied and pasted it in the run dialog? ... Both ways... After getting instructions to "copy and paste", in two different ways, I tried them both, and still got that error message. Now, the first time I "copied and pasted " the file, the full path was there, including the "C:\users\...\J17.0.1377enu-x64.exe"; but, that did not sound right to me; so, I left only the "C:\J17.0...". Perhaps, this was a mistake on my part, and I should do it that way again, leaving the "full" path in place. 6. Copying/pasting is best it avoids many simple syntax errors. ... I avoided simply typing the filename after being told that in an earlier digest. Perhaps, that was you as well. 7. If my questions doesn’t solve the issue then download fresh copy from Freedom Scientific note location of downloaded file 8. Go to that folder and try again. ... I will do this, with the above in mind. In case this does not work because my above assumptions are incorrect, please "correct" me. Thanks much.


Installing Kodi screen reader.

Shane clark
 

Hi guys,
I'm trying to install Kodi's screen reader on my laptop running Vista and Jaws 11. I was able to install Kodi, but from there, my wife has taken over, but she can'f find the ad-on for the screen reader. Does Jaws need to be turned off for the reader to work? Any suggestions as to why she can't find the repository for the ad-on? The video I saw said to look under system, ad-on, install from repository, kodi repository, services, kodi screen reader. Install, then ad-on.
Any help is appreciated, Shane.


Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

Tony
 

I had finally found it but your method is much easier and allowed me to be sure I had disabled the correct plugin.

 

Thanks

 

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 11:24 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Hi, Tony. One thing which you can do while in Chrome is:

 

Bring up the Address Bar, type in:

about:plugins

 

This will bring up all your AddOns. You can find the Adobe plugin in the list.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tony

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Using Windows 7 Pro, latest Google, and Adobe DC.

 

In Adobe the directions for not reading PDFs in Chrome, itsays to go to tools > add-ons in Chrome.

 

Can’t find add-ons anywhere.

 

Any help appreciated.

 

Tony

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:12 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Adobe DC, JAWS 17, Win7. The Adobe XI checkbox you refer to is now buried in Adobe DC’s edit menu, as I explained in my original post. This checkbox, which purports to determine whether a PDF file will or will not open in a browser, works for IE, but has no impact on Chrome.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Adrian,

         If you're using something earlier than Adobe Reader DC, try opening the preferences for Adobe Reader and going to the "Internet" preferences.  There used to be a checkbox there labeled, "Display PDF in Browser," which was checked by default and needs to be unchecked.

         Since doing the same thing I recommended earlier Chrome is now attempting to download and save any PDF link I click rather than opening it in my chosen PDF viewer.  Based on what I'm finding out there this has been a recurring problem, but at least it gives you the option to save the file and then open it with your PDF Reader of choice.

          What version of Windows are you on and what Adobe Reader are you using.  It's become more than a bit complicated to disentangle browser, Windows, and Adobe tweaks necessary over time, much to everyone's chagrin.

Brian



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Re: copying formatting in Word 2010

Charles Coe
 

Hi,

GOTO  is the Function 5 key.

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 7:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: copying formatting in Word 2010

 

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 07:36 am, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:

If I want to copy formatting to more than one cell in Excel, I use goto to select everything.

 GoTo is not a command I'm familiar with.  As far as Excel goes my skills are at the basic level.  I can tweak existing spreadsheets pretty well, but trying to create anything elaborate from scratch is a slog.  It's one of those office programs I've been mostly an end-user filling out existing spreadsheets with rather than building them.

Brian


Re: Communication Theory

Drew Hunthausen
 

You are correct in that “both sides” is not the best way to phrase it. I once being sighted and now totally blind also learn so much from the perspective of those who are sighted and those without sight and everywhere inbetween. By know means does a disability dictate are frame of reference on it’s own. Good thoughts all around

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:47 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Communication Theory

 

Drew,

 

Your father’s picture frame metaphor is wonderful. But what saddens me is your “both sides,” which is an accurate reflection of how recent threads have been presented. The ways visually impaired and sighted users approach technology can be different, but they’re all directed toward the same ends. It’s as if there are four sides when it comes to how we can to work or school: by bus, by bike, by walking, by car. There aren’t four sides to that issue if the issue is doing our job or being a good student.

 

I work with sighted people all the time, and I’ve learned as much from their suggestions as I have from other screenreader users. We’ve never found a need for soul-searching over how I can get the methods to work. Sometimes they work without any tricks, at other times I have to do some tweaking because of how JAWS interacts with other applications. No one takes offense if I point out an idea works a certain way for sighted people but not necessarily for me. We’re all trying to get to roughly the same place.

 

From: Drew Hunthausen [mailto:dhunthausen@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Communication Theory

 

Very well said! I lost my eye sight due to an illness at age 12, but understand both sides of the coin. My dad used to always give me this quote when I had a difficult time understanding someone’s perspective as a kid, it went something like this: “you can’t see the picture when you’re stuck in the frame”.

 

From: Brad Martin [mailto:brad@...]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:21 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Communication Theory

 

We seem to have some challenges of late comprehending one another on this list. It happens, especially in written communication. But if you all will forgive the intrusion, I feel the need to explain a fundamental concept of communication theory so we can get back to the business at hand--which is helping one another with our JAWS issues. So please forgive me for what I hope will be helpful to all in terms of promoting constructive communication. Although much of the following answers Brian's prior message, I hope we can all learn something from the following--I know I did just in writing it.

My "sighted response" comment was more of a slightly sarcastic way of saying, "But you're missing the point. We can't get there from here, or at least, we don't know how to get there from here."

Point #1: I want to say that your descriptions of things are generally useful, at least for someone like me who appreciates understanding what my sighted friends are seeing. As I have explained, what JAWS says and how it says it doesn't always replicate the layout that you see, and since I do what you do in reverse--that is, teaching sighted people while being blind myself--I find the visuals useful. Having said that, they're not always relatable--not because you're not good at it, but because of something called frame of reference, which I will describe below.

Point #2: I think some context may be helpful. While I don't presume to speak for anyone on this list because people are all different, I think it's probably fair to say that most of us have experienced well-meaning people who want to help, but keep forgetting on some level--conscious or subconscious--that our reality is not theirs. Case in point, I spent an hour showing someone my issues with the ribbons, and no matter what I did, she kept trying to solve the problem with the mouse. As you know, that's not an option for me, but she couldn't break the habit. In the end, I got my point across, but it was an intensely frustrating hour in which my blood pressure probably went up twenty points.

So as I read your response to Adrian's questions, and you kept going back to the icon at the bottom of the screen and the popup menu, my reaction was, "But he can't, or doesn't know how to, get there from here." It's like I told my friend with the ribbons, "It's great that you can see it and you can get there, but how does that help me?"

Your subsequent answer was helpful, as Adrian pointed out, because I never think to try Shift F6. In my limited experience with the afore mentioned problem, when I opened a PDF, I was trapped and could go nowhere. But I never tried F6 or any variant thereof.

My degree is actually in communications, not computers or taxes or anything I do now. But the first core concept we're taught, both in communication theory and in interpersonal communications, is the concept of frame of reference. Basically your frame of reference is the sum of all experiences you've had. So while I have no direct experience with having sight, I do have knowledge of things that people have told me or described to me over the years. Each person's frame of reference is going to be different. Some of us have sight. Some of us used to have it. Some of us never had it. Some of us have had things described to us in a way that we have a pretty good idea of what it looks like, while others have no such concept.

So when I say, "That's a sighted response," it's really not a slap in the face. It's actually supposed to be a joking way to say, "There's a piece of that puzzle that I'm missing because you're talking in visual blahblahblah that's not in my frame of reference, although every sighted person in America would probably have gotten it; hence, a sighted response'. Try again." Your second effort was much more successful as Adrian pointed out.

Likewise, sometimes we forget that you're not working directly with JAWS all the time, and there are things you can't relate to because they're not in your frame of reference. As an example, for me on all of my computers, Firefox will lose focus and JAWS will say, "Netscape Dispatch WND." I don't know why or what it means. It just happens. You've probably never seen that, because as far as I know, that phrase is never on the screen. I just live with it, hit the tab key to regain focus, and go on with my life. But if I asked how I could get rid of this "Netscape Dispatch WND" message, you'd probably think my computer was on drugs, because "Netscape Dispatch WND" is probably not in your frame of reference and certainly not on your screen.

So to Brian, I apologize if you took my remark as a slam; it was never intended as such. There may have been a touch of frustration in there because it does get tiresome when people recommend things you can't do, no matter how well-meaning the intent. And to the rest of us, we've got to realize that every person on this list has a different frame of reference. So something that's a part of your daily existence may never have been experienced by the other person across the keyboard, and that's not just because we're blind or sighted. It's because our collection of experiences is unique to us.

I really don't intend to start a thread with this. It just seems that these kinds of miscommunications seem to be happening with greater frequency, so I thought a little communication theory might help. Please note that any responses to this message or any other probably won't be read until late tomorrow night, as I'm working a full day in a tax center tomorrow.

So back to JAWS, and remember that my frame of reference is not and never could be entirely yours.

Brad
brad@... (for anyone who wants to contact me off list)

On 1/29/2016 9:30 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 05:59 pm, Brad Martin <brad@...> wrote:

Sorry, Brian, but that's a sighted response. We don't often have good luck with "pop-up menus" and "file icons." If we're lucky we might hear JAWS read them, but it's less common that we can get there from here and actually do something with them. If you know of some sort of keyboard command that can get us to where those notifications go, awesome. And I'll confess right now that I haven't read the rest of the day's mail yet. I just got home.

 Brad,

         My initial response when I read this was indignation and I was all prepared to go into high dudgeon about "how unfair" your opening line was.  After spending about 20 minutes folding laundry and thinking about it my reaction is now an amused, "Duh, that's because I *am* sighted!!"  What I can, and I think do, bring to this conversation are some things that only vision makes "instantly obvious" that may be utterly opaque for a variety of reasons to someone using screen readers.  The way that downloads are being presented by various web browsers keeps changing, seemingly constantly.  What I always presume, and I'll be the first to admit that the presumption is sometimes wrong, is that it's possible that, for reasons you allude to, a screen reader user may not "be able to use" a given feature because they literally don't know it's there.  I also couple that with a presumption that once they know it's there they're more likely to know how to get to it and use it than I am, particularly without research.  Sometimes one or the other of these presumptions is simply not so, and I have no problem being called out on that.  That being said, I don't exactly consider presuming much greater expertise on screen readers, and how to use them, among screen reader users while I'm tossing out "things I can see and that may be helpful and that may not be known about," to be "a sighted response" in the purest sense.  I'm trying to collaborate.

         As you know from some of our private correspondence, I seldom accept that something "can't be done" and tend to take the attitude that I/we don't know how to accomplish a given thing but there's got to be a way to do it, and then I dig in to figure out how, often with assistance from "the network" that I have.

         No one, prior to yourself, in this specific thread has indicated that anything I've mentioned is "something I can't get to," or I would have paused and tried to figure out how to remove that obstacle, if possible.  You can be assured when someone says, "I can't do that," which is different than, "But that's not happening," I won't be saying, "Well, tough, you should know how to do that."  A "but that's not happening" leads me to, "I'd have to be there to see what is or is not happening," when I cannot replicate the issue in any of the environments I have to try to replicate it in.  In that sense I am definitely completely dependent on sight, or as close to completely dependent as can be (I can envision some stuff, but there are limits).

         Now it's time to play with NVDA and Chrome and downloading something to see exactly how I can (if I can) gain access to the downloads bar at the bottom of the screen or to the same context menu via the downloads menu.

Brian

 


Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Maria Campbell
 

Now here is a good email to keep and remember the content, maybe? 
When I press insert plus control plus numpad minus, what happens is that for a moment hubby can tell where I am.  Something about changing colors or brightness or something like that.  Who knows, but it might be worth trying, if one could only remember it when needed?
 
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributed to Jimi Hendrix

On 1/30/2016 9:58 AM, Jeff Christiansen wrote:

 

As a blind trainer the closest I have found to assisting sighted persons follow  my current activity is to use

 

Control + Insert + numPad Minus

 

You will hear Jaws cursor will follow PC

To toggle this setting off repeat

 

The problem screen readers have leaving this setting on is that it can and will inadvertently trigger tool tips and other actions.

 

HTH  - jeff

 

 

From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1inct@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

Sadly, I have that feature set to on, and yet hubby doesn't know where I am on web pages.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributed to Jimi Hendrix
 

On 1/30/2016 9:37 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 07:15 am, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Another setting which will assist sighted people to know where JAWS is on the screen is "Show Virtual Viewer On Screen". This setting is in the Basics menu of JAWS options.

 Bill,

         If turning this on does not have some really ugly effect on JAWS efficiency then every sighted JAWS tutor or assistant will bless the fact that you've revealed its existence.  Even if it does, there are those occasions where turning it on will alleviate a lot of frustration for the sighted who are being asked to assist at that moment, then you can turn it off after.

         I only recently wrapped my head around the virtual cursor (thank you Mr. Martin), which comes hugely into play for both web pages and PDF files, and my clients cannot understand how I'm becoming confused until I tell them that JAWS is not "following" visibly what it's processing at the moment in speech.  It really is profoundly disorienting when you're trying to follow along and suddenly there's nothing visible to follow along with.

Brian

 



Re: How to have PDF files read in the Acrobat window and not Chrome

 

Back to Chrome and PDF Viewer, it is a recent change that Chrome implements its own PDF Viewer for security reasons and will not allow many of the old extensions it used to for PDF Viewing inside of the browser itself.

All current documentation indicates that you must go the "about:plugins" route, etc., that I documented a while back to get Chrome to trigger your system PDF viewer of choice.  The various checkboxes within Adobe Reader or similar will have no effect on or interaction with Chrome.