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Re: Rumola; Does anyone know whether the problem with Webvisum not working with the latest version of Firefox has been fixed?

Adrian Spratt
 

Gerald,

Great sales pitch that got me to install Rumola as a Firefox extension. However, could you give the steps for how to get Rumola to IE favorites?

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?


Yes, absolutely. Rumola works perfectly with IE. You simply place the
Rumola app in the IE favorites bar, and whenever you encounter a web page
that contains an image captcha, you launch it from the favorites bar, and it
will place the captcha result in the correct edit field automatically.
Trust me. I know it works with IE because I have tested it extensively.
Last week, for instance, I unexpectedly encountered a captcha on the log-in
page for the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance. I simply
pressed Control-I to launch the IE favorites list, scrolled to the favorites
bar, launched Rumola, and almost instantaneously, the captcha result was
placed in the correct edit field. That's all there is to it.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Chaffin
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working
with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Are you sure that Rumola works with Internet Explorer?
From the information I found, it works with Firefox, Chrome, and Safari, but
says nothing about Internet Explorer.

Chris


On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Rumola


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom Behler
 

Amit:

 

I am using Jaws 16 with Windows 7.

 

Repairing, and then re-installing Jaws did not work last summer when I worked with FS on this issue.  I am willing to try it again with the latest build of Jaws 16 or even with Jaws 17, but only as a last resort, since I am not sure the merge utilities feature will be available any more to help restore my previous Jaws settings.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: amit aggarwal [mailto:aggarwal.amit444@...]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:11 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Hi Tom,
I'm working with IE11 on windows8.1 and JAWS17
But I couldn't found any issues.
Have you tried re-installing JAWS?
Firefox is a good browser, but IE is great.
Also, witch OS are you using?
Let's see if this problem can be fixed.
Regards,
Amit

On 1/18/2016 1:30 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

 

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and install IE 11.

 

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

 

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

 

However, this is where the good news ends.

 

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.  I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit boxes, and she tells me that my main  cursor does not move when I try to do so.  As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered into the web form.  I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I hit enter.

 

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars  are disabled, but so far, no joy!

 

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific  Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could never solve the issue.

 

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works fine!

 

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send them my way.

 

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: I E 11: Didn't F S claim how easy it is to enter text into Edit fields with JAWS 17?

Gerald Levy
 

 
IE 11 will be supported through January, 2020. Support for all older versions of IE was discontinued last week.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: I E 11: Didn't F S claim how easy it is to enter text into Edit fields with JAWS 17?
 
Well, Microsoft has Edge now as their browser, so it wouldn't surprise me if support for I.E. Is dropped at some point in the future though I haven't read anything to that end.


Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:58 PM, ptusing <ptusing@...> wrote:

Hi,

First,  Tom I believe you               , because you are not the first person to post the same problem

Entering  text into   edit fields using I E 11.

 

Last Fall, I remember listening as to how F S claimed how easy it is to enter text into

Editfields using JAWS 17.

Obviously, they were  using I E 11 or  maybe not, in their demonstration

Accessing  edit fields.

 

When I  asked F S  about entering text into editfields using I E 11 or if there were any  known issues with I E 11;

I  was told no one had heard of any issues with I E 11.

 

I mention this as 3 months ago,  people had mentioned issues with Adobe and JAWS 16& 17; F S said there were no issues there.

Very recently , according to a person I spoke with from  Microsoft Disability help desk, the latter  issue is a known issue.

 

So if  there  are other issues with I E 11,

Please raise them Here as this helps all of us.

 

I have also heard that Microsoft plans to dump I E.

the

Disability help desk says otherwise.

Is  F S beefing up its supportfor I E 11?

Thank you.


Re: I E 11: Didn't F S claim how easy it is to enter text into Edit fields with JAWS 17?

Kimber Gardner
 

Well, Microsoft has Edge now as their browser, so it wouldn't surprise me if support for I.E. Is dropped at some point in the future though I haven't read anything to that end. 


Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:58 PM, ptusing <ptusing@...> wrote:

Hi,

First,  Tom I believe you               , because you are not the first person to post the same problem

Entering  text into   edit fields using I E 11.

 

Last Fall, I remember listening as to how F S claimed how easy it is to enter text into

Editfields using JAWS 17.

Obviously, they were  using I E 11 or  maybe not, in their demonstration

Accessing  edit fields.

 

When I  asked F S  about entering text into editfields using I E 11 or if there were any  known issues with I E 11;

I  was told no one had heard of any issues with I E 11.

 

I mention this as 3 months ago,  people had mentioned issues with Adobe and JAWS 16& 17; F S said there were no issues there.

Very recently , according to a person I spoke with from  Microsoft Disability help desk, the latter  issue is a known issue.

 

So if  there  are other issues with I E 11,

Please raise them Here as this helps all of us.

 

I have also heard that Microsoft plans to dump I E.

the

Disability help desk says otherwise.

Is  F S beefing up its supportfor I E 11?

Thank you.


Re: What happens with Edit fields in I E 11 with JAWS 15, latest JAWS 16 & 17?

Kimber Gardner
 

I haven't been able to invoke forms mode in jaws 15 ever since installing jaws 17. I know that the functionality of forms mode is a bit different in jaws 17 and figured something got corrupted. I'm running Windows 7 and I.E.11 and have this same on both my work and personal laptops. It's not a solution, but sort of nice to know it isn't just me.


Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jan 17, 2016, at 11:05 PM, ptusing <ptusing@...> wrote:

Hi,

Please indicate if   one can  enter text into edit fields using

I E 11 with

JAWS 15,

Latest JAWS 16 and

JAWS 17 version?

The   imput on   This great list and the excellent posts here can give people

An idea as to how prevalent a problem is so a solution can be hopefully found.

 

I really do appreciate it when a JAWS user spends hours of time working with F S as Tom did  to  get a problem solved.


Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Gerald Levy
 

The problem with this "new" captcha solving service is that it is not cheap. They charge $3.50 per month for unlimited use versus Rumola's cost of only 99 cents for 50 captcha credits which are good for a whole year. So Captcha Be Gone costs $42 a year while Rumola only costs 99 cents a year. Plus, Captcha Be Gone only works with Firefox and Chrome, not with IE, while Rumola works with all three browsers. For now, the winner is still Rumola, hands down.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:15 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

What's been making the rounds the past few days is a new captcha service
called Captcha Be Gone.
http://captchabegone.com/
It's being developed by the same guy who puts out Chicken Nugget and QReader
and so on.
Looks like it'll initially support Firefox and Chrome with a monthly cost of
$3.50.
I don't run into too many captchas, but if it ends up working as advertized,
then at least it would be another option. Folks will have to decide if the
cost is worth it for them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working
with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?


Eric Damery, FS Vice-President of Software Development has already asserted
on the JAWS Users mailing list that adding an image captcha-solving feature
to JAWS presents insurmountable technical challenges at this time.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:41 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working
with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

I've written Freedom Scientific about this issue and asked them if they
would consider adding something to Jaws that would solve captchas. As
usual all they said was that the information was forwarded to their
technical team.
Will this have any affect? You never know. But I'm also quite sure
that I am not the only one who wrote to them and asked the same thing.
It would be nice if they would. It would solve a lot of headaches!

On 1/17/2016 3:33 PM, Mario wrote:
Gerald, I think it's inevitable that web visum is going to be lost, since
it is recommended not to continue to use an outdated version of firefox.
it is possible that Mozilla's ADO (forgot what ADO stands for) team who
can sign extensions that are abandond but essentially beneficial for a
particular reason, that being, that since the developers of web visum have
abandoned the extension, and wv does serve a purpose of enabling blind
users to solve CAPTCHAs, and there is no other plugin that can do what wv
did, they should sign it so we can still solve CAPTCHAs that some websites
still employ.


On 1/17/2016 1:31 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

It is Mozilla that is concerned about unsigned add-ons. Apparently,
unsigned add-ons have been used to introduce malware into Firefox, and
so Mozilla now requires that all developers of third-party add-ons sign
them to comply with the former's security standards and verify that they
are free of malware. . The developers of Webvisum abandoned it years
ago, and so there is no way to contact them and implore them to sign it
to bring it up to snuff. And starting with Firefox 44 or 45, Webvisum
and all other unsined add-ons will no longer work because the config
entry to enable them will be permanently removed. So once you have
Firefox 43 working with Webvisum, it would be a good idea to uncheck the
box on the advanced tab of the tools menu that allows Firefox to update
itself automatically. Otherwise,you will be automatically updated to
Firefox 44 and 45 and lose Webvisum forever.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:40 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Hi, Mario. I have never understood this issue concerning unsigned AdOns.
If
a person makes the change to allow all unsigned AdOns to run, and they
are
afraid of running another unsigned AdOn, all they need to do is uninstall
the AdOn or plugin which they don't want to run. That is what the AdOns
manager is for.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not
working
with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?


in addition, there is a change that can be made in firefox's
configuration settings that can allow unsigned extensions to run, but
that allows, any, unsigned extension/plugin to run, thus defeating
mozillas attempt to improve firefox's security.
it's been suggested to use an earlier portable version of firefox (42)
and adding web visum, and use that version when you need to solve
captchas.


On 1/17/2016 11:09 AM, Mario wrote:
David, since I've upgraded firefox to 43.0.4, web visum is working okay
for me. but some other blind users are experiencing that they can't get
wv to install for them. the problem is more of a security issue in that
wv is not digitally signed. however in my case, before upgrading firefox
to the latest version, web visum was set to automatically start and log
me in when ff was started. maybe that's why my web visum is still
working okay.


On 1/16/2016 8:28 PM, David Ingram wrote:
Hi list members, I’d like to know whether the problem of webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed yet? I’d
like
to let firefox know of this problem but I’m not sure how I would do
that
or if they would be able to respond to this request in a timely manner.
Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this
question.









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Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Gerald Levy
 

Yes, absolutely. Rumola works perfectly with IE. You simply place the Rumola app in the IE favorites bar, and whenever you encounter a web page that contains an image captcha, you launch it from the favorites bar, and it will place the captcha result in the correct edit field automatically. Trust me. I know it works with IE because I have tested it extensively. Last week, for instance, I unexpectedly encountered a captcha on the log-in page for the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance. I simply pressed Control-I to launch the IE favorites list, scrolled to the favorites bar, launched Rumola, and almost instantaneously, the captcha result was placed in the correct edit field. That's all there is to it.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Chaffin
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Are you sure that Rumola works with Internet Explorer?
From the information I found, it works with Firefox, Chrome, and Safari, but says nothing about Internet Explorer.

Chris


On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Rumola


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Amit Aggarwal <aggarwal.amit444@...>
 

Hi Tom,
I'm working with IE11 on windows8.1 and JAWS17
But I couldn't found any issues.
Have you tried re-installing JAWS?
Firefox is a good browser, but IE is great.
Also, witch OS are you using?
Let's see if this problem can be fixed.
Regards,
Amit


On 1/18/2016 1:30 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

 

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and install IE 11.

 

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

 

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

 

However, this is where the good news ends.

 

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.  I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit boxes, and she tells me that my main  cursor does not move when I try to do so.  As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered into the web form.  I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I hit enter.

 

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars  are disabled, but so far, no joy!

 

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific  Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could never solve the issue.

 

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works fine!

 

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send them my way.

 

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 



Re: Word 2013 Blank Page

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi, Rayette. Can you or anyone else explain when "alt-n, n, p" would be needed in lieu of control-enter to create a new page. I can't think of a situation. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rayette Rucker [mailto:ruckerr9@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:18 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 2013 Blank Page

Alt n, n, p


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Smith [mailto:briansmith372@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:11 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Word 2013 Blank Page

Hello:

How can I insert a blank page into a Word 2013 document? Is there a
keyboard command that I can use to insert a blank page into a Word 2013
document? Thanks for any help.

Brian Smith


Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Functionally, what is the practical difference between a bookmark and a
favorite?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:45 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

That's not a favorite, that's a bookmark. A favorite creates an actual
Windows shortcut which resides under the Roaming folder in Windows7.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox


Bill, I don't have the add-on you reference. Alt-A doesn't work for me.
However, Ctrl-D is the keystroke I use and then I can name the
favorite; it does have a default name, of course.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 3:52 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

Hi, Tom. I also use PlainOldFavorites in Firefox. Adding favorites in
Firefox works the same way it does for Internet Explorer. All you need
to do is to go to the page you want to make a favorite for in Firefox.
Once you are there, Press Alt plus the letter A. Then press the Enter
key, and the favorite is automatically added. The thing which may be
confusing is that the favorite will appear at the bottom of the
favorites list in Firefox instead of being in alphabetical order. If
you want the list to be in alphabetical order again, you must go to
the PlainOldFavorites AdOn in the AdOns manager in Firefox, Click on
the PlainOldFavorites Adon. It will then say Read Only. Tab to the
options for that option. Select the option "Sort By Name". If the
option says it is checked, press the space Bar to uncheck this option,
then press the Space Bar to re-check the option. Tab to the OK button,
and press Enter. Then Press Alt plus W to close Firefox. When you open
Firefox again, the favorites will appear in alphabetical order.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:09 AM
Subject: Adding Favorites In Firefox


Hello, everyone.



A while back, I imported internet favorites from Internet Explorer to
Firefox using the add-on tool called plain old favorites.





http://www.iosart.com/firefox/plainoldfavorites/





Since I now am using Firefox as my main internet browser, I'm
interested in adding some additional favorites to my favorites list.



I can find the tab that says "add favorites", but when I attempt to do
this, nothing happens. Jaws says nothing, and I appear to get a blank
screen.



Am I missing a step here, or is there a different way to add new
favorites to my favorites list in Firefox?



Thank you!



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan







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Help using MS OneNote

Kiran Valabh
 

Hello

 

I would like to use OneNote. I’ve learnt to perform the basic functions although this is not entirely satisfactory in terms of accessibility. I use MS Office 2016 and JAWS 17. OneNote is one application JAWS doesn’t support via the Help menu.    The accessibility resources I’ve found on the net, provide little guidance and are not recent.

 

Over the past few weeks I’ve been trying to download the scripts from www.OneNoteBlind to trial.com ; when clicking on the OneNoteBlind link this went to a webpage with a “Parse error”. My technical adviser informs me that this is likely to be the reason I can’t establish contact with Do It Blind via their contact form.

 

I would appreciate any guidance on how I can either: use OneNote to store and  organise my various notes and relevant files; or any suggestions on an alternative full featured accessible note-taking application.

 

Thanks very much for hearing me out.

 

Warm regards, Kiran


Re: What happens with Edit fields in I E 11 with JAWS 15, latest JAWS 16 & 17?

David Ingram
 

Hi, how are you?  I’m using jaws 16 and ie 11 as well as firefox and I’ve not had any problems with edit fields from what I can tell!

 

From: ptusing [mailto:ptusing@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What happens with Edit fields in I E 11 with JAWS 15, latest JAWS 16 & 17?

 

Hi,

Please indicate if   one can  enter text into edit fields using

I E 11 with

JAWS 15,

Latest JAWS 16 and

JAWS 17 version?

The   imput on   This great list and the excellent posts here can give people

An idea as to how prevalent a problem is so a solution can be hopefully found.

 

I really do appreciate it when a JAWS user spends hours of time working with F S as Tom did  to  get a problem solved.


Re: google drive help

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Marryanne:

Maybe I'm naïve when it comes to google drive, and I should invest in the Web&R which I will; however, I assumed google drive and sharing was simply similar to dropbox and sharing.


Based on my limited knowledge of google drive, the only time to visit the web in relation to sharing is when you actually share the folder, but after that it was a simple copy and paste after the folders were created and shared between all parties...

Like the old saying goes, you learn something everyday.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Denning [mailto:marianne@denningweb.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: google drive help

Why do you want to avoid the web based Google? That is how people working on the same document can collaborate together.

On 1/15/16, Kimsan <kimsansong@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

My college just created a google drive folder. I have my own google
drive folder, and I have the google drive folder on my desktop.

How can I put that shared folder into my folder that I have on my
desktop, so I can avoid the web based route.

Thanks.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Marsha <marcatony@...>
 

HI
I have found this happening also.

Marsha


Re: What happens with Edit fields in I E 11 with JAWS 15, latest JAWS 16 & 17?

David Moore
 

Hi,
JAWS 15 works great with IE 11 in regard to filling out edit fields. Have a great one
 

From: ptusing
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:05 PM
Subject: What happens with Edit fields in I E 11 with JAWS 15, latest JAWS 16 & 17?
 

Hi,

Please indicate if   one can  enter text into edit fields using

I E 11 with

JAWS 15,

Latest JAWS 16 and

JAWS 17 version?

The   imput on   This great list and the excellent posts here can give people

An idea as to how prevalent a problem is so a solution can be hopefully found.

 

I really do appreciate it when a JAWS user spends hours of time working with F S as Tom did  to  get a problem solved.


What happens with Edit fields in I E 11 with JAWS 15, latest JAWS 16 & 17?

Tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,

Please indicate if   one can  enter text into edit fields using

I E 11 with

JAWS 15,

Latest JAWS 16 and

JAWS 17 version?

The   imput on   This great list and the excellent posts here can give people

An idea as to how prevalent a problem is so a solution can be hopefully found.

 

I really do appreciate it when a JAWS user spends hours of time working with F S as Tom did  to  get a problem solved.


Re: google drive help

David Moore
 

Hi,
URL:
www.freedomscientific.com
The main page will come up. Find the training link down toward the bottom of the page and press enter and find the webinars on the training page. I don't want to spoon feed people with the exact links or how will you learn how to navigate web pages. Have a great one.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:44 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: google drive help

this is a great message, however, it lacks the most important information of
all...
the links themselves which allegedly hold all these wonderful gems.



-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: google drive help

Hi,
Freedomscientific has two great webinars on Google Drive and Google Docs
that work for JAWS or NVDA. There are key commands that allow you to do
everything in the cloud. You can work with others on the same article and
see the changes being made by others as it happens in real time. Go to the
Freedomscientific training page and download those two webinars, and you
will be using Google drive online and writing all of your documents in the
cloud and saving them in the cloud. Have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Denning
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: google drive help

Why do you want to avoid the web based Google? That is how people
working on the same document can collaborate together.

On 1/15/16, Kimsan <kimsansong@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

My college just created a google drive folder. I have my own google drive
folder, and I have the google drive folder on my desktop.

How can I put that shared folder into my folder that I have on my desktop,
so I can avoid the web based route.

Thanks.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

How did you back up your favorites in IE? They are usually under the administrative account in Windows. In Windows7, they are in the roaming folder in a folder called favorites. If you copied these files to another place, you could just drop them back into IE11, if they somehow were destroyed by the reset.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of


I'm not sure, Bill.

And, at this point, I'm not even sure what update to look for.

I, Too, an wondering if it might not be helpful to re-set IE 11 back to the
defaults, but I am worried about wiping my favorites out in the process.

Of course, they could always be re-done if needed via the favorites file I
already have saved.

Dr. Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:21 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Hi, Tom. I remember when you were having problems with IE11 before. I seem
to remember that one of the problems associated with that event was a
Windows update which you subsequently were able to remove.

My question is this. Could that Windows update have somehow gotten
reinstalled? If you were able to remove it again, might it clear up your
problem with IE11?

Hope you get this resolved.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of


No, I haven't done this.

Question: If I do this, will I loose my internet favorites?

I have saved my favorites folder just in case, but would like to avoid how
to figure out how to import my favorites into IE again if possible.

Dr. Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: HH. Smith Jr. [mailto:teos1@islands.vi]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:15 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Have you tried resetting IE11 by going to tools then options then control
tab to the advance tab and choosing either reset default settings or reset
IE11 entirely.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:10 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

well, I thought IE might be thinking you want to search for an address and
thus interfering with what you want to do?

On 1/17/2016 7:46 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
Mario:

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but what would taking this step
do to solve the particular problem I'm having?

Again, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind certain
steps before I actually take them.

Dr. Tom Behler


-----Original Message----- From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:43 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re:
IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom, I noticed after I upgraded to IE11, the auto complete settings
wer enabled, especially for the address bar. you might try unchecking
this setting:

press alt, t for tools, o for options. control+tab 4 or 5 times to the
contents tab. press alt+i to activate the auto complete settings
button. first checkbox should be unchecked. tab to and spacebar on the
ok button.

I've unchecked all of the autocomplete settings, including the ones in
the advanced tab (found about half way down the dialog).



On 1/17/2016 3:00 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
Hello, everyone.

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE
10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in
terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I
access.

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no
Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and
install IE 11.

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from
the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites
had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder
as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

However, this is where the good news ends.

I'm now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last
summer. I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into
edit boxes, and she tells me that my main cursor does not move when
I try to do so. As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not
entered into the web form. I have Jaws set to manually enter forms
mode, so I know I'm in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding
click whenever I hit enter.

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars are disabled,
but so far, no joy!

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific
Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff,
and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we
could never solve the issue.

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that
works fine!

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please
send them my way.

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan























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Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom Behler
 

I'm not sure, Bill.

And, at this point, I'm not even sure what update to look for.

I, Too, an wondering if it might not be helpful to re-set IE 11 back to the
defaults, but I am worried about wiping my favorites out in the process.

Of course, they could always be re-done if needed via the favorites file I
already have saved.

Dr. Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:21 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Hi, Tom. I remember when you were having problems with IE11 before. I seem
to remember that one of the problems associated with that event was a
Windows update which you subsequently were able to remove.

My question is this. Could that Windows update have somehow gotten
reinstalled? If you were able to remove it again, might it clear up your
problem with IE11?

Hope you get this resolved.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of


No, I haven't done this.

Question: If I do this, will I loose my internet favorites?

I have saved my favorites folder just in case, but would like to avoid how
to figure out how to import my favorites into IE again if possible.

Dr. Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: HH. Smith Jr. [mailto:teos1@islands.vi]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:15 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Have you tried resetting IE11 by going to tools then options then control
tab to the advance tab and choosing either reset default settings or reset
IE11 entirely.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:10 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

well, I thought IE might be thinking you want to search for an address and
thus interfering with what you want to do?

On 1/17/2016 7:46 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
Mario:

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but what would taking this step
do to solve the particular problem I'm having?

Again, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind certain
steps before I actually take them.

Dr. Tom Behler


-----Original Message----- From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:43 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re:
IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom, I noticed after I upgraded to IE11, the auto complete settings
wer enabled, especially for the address bar. you might try unchecking
this setting:

press alt, t for tools, o for options. control+tab 4 or 5 times to the
contents tab. press alt+i to activate the auto complete settings
button. first checkbox should be unchecked. tab to and spacebar on the
ok button.

I've unchecked all of the autocomplete settings, including the ones in
the advanced tab (found about half way down the dialog).



On 1/17/2016 3:00 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
Hello, everyone.

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE
10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in
terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I
access.

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no
Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and
install IE 11.

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from
the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites
had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder
as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

However, this is where the good news ends.

I'm now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last
summer. I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into
edit boxes, and she tells me that my main cursor does not move when
I try to do so. As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not
entered into the web form. I have Jaws set to manually enter forms
mode, so I know I'm in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding
click whenever I hit enter.

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars are disabled,
but so far, no joy!

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific
Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff,
and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we
could never solve the issue.

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that
works fine!

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please
send them my way.

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan























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signature database 12883 (20160117) __________

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Re: I E 11: Didn't F S claim how easy it is to enter text into Edit fields with JAWS 17?

Tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi, Tom and all,

I mentioned the listening to the F S

recorded  description of accessing edit fields with JAWS 17 only because

Perhaps others have tried

Some of the techniques discussed with accessing editfields?  If  one is supposed to access edit fields with  JAWS 17, then would not such edit fields be more commonly in use using I E 11?

?

That is why I brought  up the F S cast. .

I think this discussion of I E 11  is very useful  as we can all   learn together and

Ask our questions of F S.

In the  earlier post, I was simply sharing an example of how

A problem  can be identified and  hopefully fixed regarding

The Adobe JAWS 16-17 issue that I was told is still an issue.

 

My best hope is that  any I E 11 issues can be fixed and Iappreciate the JAWS software.

 

 

 

 

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:48 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: I E 11: Didn't F S claim how easy it is to enter text into Edit fields with JAWS 17?

 

You know, I don’t mean to get into an FS Bashing thing here, but I can’t for the life of me figure out why FS says there have been no known issues with IE 11, especially as far as Jaws 16 has been concerned.  I can’t count the number of hours I worked on this issue with them last summer!  In fact, one of the people I worked with (last name Carson) spent quite a few hours on the phone, after the issue had been escalated to a status where he would get involved.

 

I do have Jaws 17 here, and have considered installing it, but since FS also has now eliminated the merge utilities feature, the Jaws upgrade  apparently isn’t as easy to accomplish as it used to be.

 

Again, I am sorry that I have taken up so much band with on this list concerning this problem, but the more I’m dealing with it, the more frustrated I get.  And, the more I’m beginning to wonder how truly concerned FS really is with these sorts of issues.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: ptusing [mailto:ptusing@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:58 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: I E 11: Didn't F S claim how easy it is to enter text into Edit fields with JAWS 17?

 

Hi,

First,  Tom I believe you               , because you are not the first person to post the same problem

Entering  text into   edit fields using I E 11.

 

Last Fall, I remember listening as to how F S claimed how easy it is to enter text into

Editfields using JAWS 17.

Obviously, they were  using I E 11 or  maybe not, in their demonstration

Accessing  edit fields.

 

When I  asked F S  about entering text into editfields using I E 11 or if there were any  known issues with I E 11;

I  was told no one had heard of any issues with I E 11.

 

I mention this as 3 months ago,  people had mentioned issues with Adobe and JAWS 16& 17; F S said there were no issues there.

Very recently , according to a person I spoke with from  Microsoft Disability help desk, the latter  issue is a known issue.

 

So if  there  are other issues with I E 11,

Please raise them Here as this helps all of us.

 

I have also heard that Microsoft plans to dump I E.

the

Disability help desk says otherwise.

Is  F S beefing up its supportfor I E 11?

Thank you.