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Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom Behler
 

Jason:

As I think I said in one of my earlier posts, I have switched to Firefox as
my default browser, and do not have this problem.

Because of all of these issues I'm having with IE 11, I'm seriously thinking
of completely scrapping IE, and going with Google Chrome as an alternate
browser. But that is going to take some time, and will also involve a
learning curve. So, I will probably have to put that off till a bit later
on.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason White via Groups.io [mailto:jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:22 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.

What happens if you try Firefox or Chrome instead?

Anyone who is using IE at this point should be aware that it's a dead end:
Microsoft is moving to its new "Edge" browser, replacing IE. In addition,
other browsers such as Firefox and Chrome conform to Web standards much more
effectively than IE does. So, unless you're using specialized Web
applications that depend on features of IE, choosing a different default
browser would be a good idea. If you're having problems such as the above,
at least testing them with a different browser would be useful.


Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Gerald Levy
 

Eric Damery, FS Vice-President of Software Development has already asserted on the JAWS Users mailing list that adding an image captcha-solving feature to JAWS presents insurmountable technical challenges at this time.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:41 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

I've written Freedom Scientific about this issue and asked them if they
would consider adding something to Jaws that would solve captchas. As
usual all they said was that the information was forwarded to their
technical team.
Will this have any affect? You never know. But I'm also quite sure
that I am not the only one who wrote to them and asked the same thing.
It would be nice if they would. It would solve a lot of headaches!

On 1/17/2016 3:33 PM, Mario wrote:
Gerald, I think it's inevitable that web visum is going to be lost, since it is recommended not to continue to use an outdated version of firefox. it is possible that Mozilla's ADO (forgot what ADO stands for) team who can sign extensions that are abandond but essentially beneficial for a particular reason, that being, that since the developers of web visum have
abandoned the extension, and wv does serve a purpose of enabling blind users to solve CAPTCHAs, and there is no other plugin that can do what wv did, they should sign it so we can still solve CAPTCHAs that some websites still employ.


On 1/17/2016 1:31 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

It is Mozilla that is concerned about unsigned add-ons. Apparently,
unsigned add-ons have been used to introduce malware into Firefox, and
so Mozilla now requires that all developers of third-party add-ons sign
them to comply with the former's security standards and verify that they
are free of malware. . The developers of Webvisum abandoned it years
ago, and so there is no way to contact them and implore them to sign it
to bring it up to snuff. And starting with Firefox 44 or 45, Webvisum
and all other unsined add-ons will no longer work because the config
entry to enable them will be permanently removed. So once you have
Firefox 43 working with Webvisum, it would be a good idea to uncheck the
box on the advanced tab of the tools menu that allows Firefox to update
itself automatically. Otherwise,you will be automatically updated to
Firefox 44 and 45 and lose Webvisum forever.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:40 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Hi, Mario. I have never understood this issue concerning unsigned AdOns. If
a person makes the change to allow all unsigned AdOns to run, and they are
afraid of running another unsigned AdOn, all they need to do is uninstall
the AdOn or plugin which they don't want to run. That is what the AdOns
manager is for.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working
with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?


in addition, there is a change that can be made in firefox's
configuration settings that can allow unsigned extensions to run, but
that allows, any, unsigned extension/plugin to run, thus defeating
mozillas attempt to improve firefox's security.
it's been suggested to use an earlier portable version of firefox (42)
and adding web visum, and use that version when you need to solve captchas.


On 1/17/2016 11:09 AM, Mario wrote:
David, since I've upgraded firefox to 43.0.4, web visum is working okay
for me. but some other blind users are experiencing that they can't get
wv to install for them. the problem is more of a security issue in that
wv is not digitally signed. however in my case, before upgrading firefox
to the latest version, web visum was set to automatically start and log
me in when ff was started. maybe that's why my web visum is still
working okay.


On 1/16/2016 8:28 PM, David Ingram wrote:
Hi list members, I’d like to know whether the problem of webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed yet? I’d like
to let firefox know of this problem but I’m not sure how I would do that
or if they would be able to respond to this request in a timely manner.
Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this
question.









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Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Jason White
 

Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.

What happens if you try Firefox or Chrome instead?

Anyone who is using IE at this point should be aware that it's a dead end:
Microsoft is moving to its new "Edge" browser, replacing IE. In addition,
other browsers such as Firefox and Chrome conform to Web standards much more
effectively than IE does. So, unless you're using specialized Web applications
that depend on features of IE, choosing a different default browser would be a
good idea. If you're having problems such as the above, at least testing them
with a different browser would be useful.


Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Gerald Levy
 

Actually, Rumola is a worthy alternative to Webvisum for solving image captchas, and it works with IE as well as Firefox. Although it isn't free, it only costs 99 cents for 50 credits which are good for a year. You simply add it to the IE favorites bar and then copy it to the Firefox bookmarks tool bar, and you can have your cake and eat it too. I don't know how Rumola works, but whenever you encounter a web page with an image captcha and activate it, it solves the captcha almost instatly and places the result in the correct field automatically. So if you want to always use the latest version of Firefox because of security concerns and kiss Webvisum goodbye, you should consider Rumola.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Gerald, I think it's inevitable that web visum is going to be lost,
since it is recommended not to continue to use an outdated version of
firefox. it is possible that Mozilla's ADO (forgot what ADO stands for)
team who can sign extensions that are abandond but essentially
beneficial for a particular reason, that being, that since the
developers of web visum have
abandoned the extension, and wv does serve a purpose of enabling blind
users to solve CAPTCHAs, and there is no other plugin that can do what
wv did, they should sign it so we can still solve CAPTCHAs that some
websites still employ.


On 1/17/2016 1:31 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

It is Mozilla that is concerned about unsigned add-ons. Apparently,
unsigned add-ons have been used to introduce malware into Firefox, and
so Mozilla now requires that all developers of third-party add-ons sign
them to comply with the former's security standards and verify that they
are free of malware. . The developers of Webvisum abandoned it years
ago, and so there is no way to contact them and implore them to sign it
to bring it up to snuff. And starting with Firefox 44 or 45, Webvisum
and all other unsined add-ons will no longer work because the config
entry to enable them will be permanently removed. So once you have
Firefox 43 working with Webvisum, it would be a good idea to uncheck the
box on the advanced tab of the tools menu that allows Firefox to update
itself automatically. Otherwise,you will be automatically updated to
Firefox 44 and 45 and lose Webvisum forever.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:40 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Hi, Mario. I have never understood this issue concerning unsigned AdOns. If
a person makes the change to allow all unsigned AdOns to run, and they are
afraid of running another unsigned AdOn, all they need to do is uninstall
the AdOn or plugin which they don't want to run. That is what the AdOns
manager is for.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working
with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?


in addition, there is a change that can be made in firefox's
configuration settings that can allow unsigned extensions to run, but
that allows, any, unsigned extension/plugin to run, thus defeating
mozillas attempt to improve firefox's security.
it's been suggested to use an earlier portable version of firefox (42)
and adding web visum, and use that version when you need to solve captchas.


On 1/17/2016 11:09 AM, Mario wrote:
David, since I've upgraded firefox to 43.0.4, web visum is working okay
for me. but some other blind users are experiencing that they can't get
wv to install for them. the problem is more of a security issue in that
wv is not digitally signed. however in my case, before upgrading firefox
to the latest version, web visum was set to automatically start and log
me in when ff was started. maybe that's why my web visum is still
working okay.


On 1/16/2016 8:28 PM, David Ingram wrote:
Hi list members, I’d like to know whether the problem of webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed yet? I’d like
to let firefox know of this problem but I’m not sure how I would do that
or if they would be able to respond to this request in a timely manner.
Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this
question.









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Re: google drive help

David Moore
 

Hi,
Freedomscientific has two great webinars on Google Drive and Google Docs that work for JAWS or NVDA. There are key commands that allow you to do everything in the cloud. You can work with others on the same article and see the changes being made by others as it happens in real time. Go to the Freedomscientific training page and download those two webinars, and you will be using Google drive online and writing all of your documents in the cloud and saving them in the cloud. Have a great one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Denning
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: google drive help

Why do you want to avoid the web based Google? That is how people
working on the same document can collaborate together.

On 1/15/16, Kimsan <kimsansong@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

My college just created a google drive folder. I have my own google drive
folder, and I have the google drive folder on my desktop.

How can I put that shared folder into my folder that I have on my desktop,
so I can avoid the web based route.

Thanks.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom Behler
 

If I get time this week, I'll give FS Tech support a call. My issue is that I'll need a good block of time to do this, which doesn't fit well with my University teaching work schedule.

So, please keep those suggestions coming in the meantime, and maybe we'll get lucky.

Keep in mind that FS Tech Support worked with me on this for many hours last Summer, with no success. This is not to say that I'm unwilling to call them; it's just that they seem to be at a loss too.

This is why I rolled back to IE 10 as a way to at least get IE up and running again. So much for a good or not-so-good plan. (LOL)

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1@ct.metrocast.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:20 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

If I were you, I'd have FS do another tandem session.
I used to have that type of thing happen when I seemed to be stuck at the address bar area. Another problem I had was getting stuck somewhere with the forms mode on and not be able to move out of it.
I now keep my forms mode to manual. I still have some slow moving web pages, but only with very busy ones, that is ones with many links.
Really, there's got to be a solution, so get back with either FS, Microsoft disability or both.


On 1/17/2016 2:57 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
Adrian:

Unfortunately, I can’t get your strategy to work.

When I get into a form, and use insert escape, followed by insert 8 on
the numpad, and then hit enter to enter the text, Jaws verbalizes the
text, but the PC cursor doesn’t seem to move.

Then, if I hit the tab key to go into the next edit field, I get into
a tab about the Bing search engine, which is obviously outside of the
main web page in which I’m working.

This happens on several web sites that I have tried so far, and was
the same problem with IE 11 I encountered last Summer.

Tom Behler

*From:*Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:14 PM
*To:* jfw@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

When I encounter this problem with IE11, an insert-escape refresh
enables JAWS to verbalize the data entry. Keeping focus on the edit
field, I then press insert-numpad 8 to read the content. Otherwise, I
don’t have the same problem. Is there a specific website?

*From:*Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:01 PM
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Subject:* IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10
to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of
being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no
Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and
install IE 11.

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from
the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had
all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a
back-up, in case something went wrong.

However, this is where the good news ends.

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.
I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit
boxes, and she tells me that my main cursor does not move when I try
to do so. As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not
entered into the web form. I have Jaws set to manually enter forms
mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding
click whenever I hit enter.

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars are disabled,
but so far, no joy!

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific
Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff,
and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we
could never solve the issue.

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that
works fine!

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please
send them my way.

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

judith bron
 

I hate it when Jaws doesn’t interact properly or disables the functionality of other programs.  Good luck!

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Judith:

 

Still no joy here, although I appreciate your suggestion.

 

The best way I can describe my situation is that when I hit enter to start entering info, my main cursor seems to be stuck.  I can’t do anything with the arrow keys, and Jaws says nothing. … When I hit my tab key, I seem to be kicked out of the main web page into a Bing search engine tab.

 

Strange thing is that I disabled all add-ons, so you would think Bing wouldn’t be there any more.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Here’s a hint from one of the most unlikely listers, but here goes.  I was having the same problem with IE and when I needed to activate an edit field I simply hit the space bar.  Thankfully this activated it.  JB

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:58 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I can’t get your strategy to work.

 

When I get into a form, and use insert escape, followed by insert 8 on the numpad, and then hit enter to enter the text, Jaws verbalizes the text, but the PC cursor doesn’t seem to move.

 

Then, if I hit the tab key to go into the next edit field, I get into a tab about the Bing search engine, which is obviously outside of the main web page in which I’m working.

 

This happens on several web sites that I have tried so far, and was the same problem with IE 11 I encountered last Summer.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

When I encounter this problem with IE11, an insert-escape refresh enables JAWS to verbalize the data entry. Keeping focus on the edit field, I then press insert-numpad 8 to read the content. Otherwise, I don’t have the same problem. Is there a specific website?

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

 

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and install IE 11.

 

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

 

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

 

However, this is where the good news ends.

 

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.  I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit boxes, and she tells me that my main  cursor does not move when I try to do so.  As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered into the web form.  I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I hit enter.

 

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars  are disabled, but so far, no joy!

 

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific  Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could never solve the issue.

 

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works fine!

 

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send them my way.

 

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom Behler
 

Judith:

 

Still no joy here, although I appreciate your suggestion.

 

The best way I can describe my situation is that when I hit enter to start entering info, my main cursor seems to be stuck.  I can’t do anything with the arrow keys, and Jaws says nothing. … When I hit my tab key, I seem to be kicked out of the main web page into a Bing search engine tab.

 

Strange thing is that I disabled all add-ons, so you would think Bing wouldn’t be there any more.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Here’s a hint from one of the most unlikely listers, but here goes.  I was having the same problem with IE and when I needed to activate an edit field I simply hit the space bar.  Thankfully this activated it.  JB

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:58 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I can’t get your strategy to work.

 

When I get into a form, and use insert escape, followed by insert 8 on the numpad, and then hit enter to enter the text, Jaws verbalizes the text, but the PC cursor doesn’t seem to move.

 

Then, if I hit the tab key to go into the next edit field, I get into a tab about the Bing search engine, which is obviously outside of the main web page in which I’m working.

 

This happens on several web sites that I have tried so far, and was the same problem with IE 11 I encountered last Summer.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

When I encounter this problem with IE11, an insert-escape refresh enables JAWS to verbalize the data entry. Keeping focus on the edit field, I then press insert-numpad 8 to read the content. Otherwise, I don’t have the same problem. Is there a specific website?

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

 

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and install IE 11.

 

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

 

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

 

However, this is where the good news ends.

 

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.  I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit boxes, and she tells me that my main  cursor does not move when I try to do so.  As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered into the web form.  I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I hit enter.

 

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars  are disabled, but so far, no joy!

 

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific  Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could never solve the issue.

 

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works fine!

 

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send them my way.

 

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

Tom Behler
 

Hi, Bill.

 

Well, my internet favorites from IE 11 appear to have been successfully transferred over to Firefox via Plain old favorites.

 

I did have some trouble getting them to be listed alphabetically when working with plain old favorites in the Firefox add-ons manager, though.  I could get to the sort by name box ok, but had no indication from Jaws whether it was being checked or un-checked.  Actually, as my sighted wife watched me, the only way I could get the check box checked was to hit the enter key once, rather than the spacebar.  Once this was done, I was ok.

 

I have saved all of these instructions for future reference.

 

Now, if I can get my text-edit box entry problem solved with IE 11, I’ll be in good shape.  That problem is a source of incredible frustration for me, and is causing me to think very seriously of completely dumping IE 11 as my backup internet browser, and moving to something like Google Chrome.

 

However, that is a project that will take time, and may have to be saved for a later day.

 

If you have any more suggestions for addressing my text edit box information entry problem, please feel free to send them my way.

 

Tom Behler

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 3:55 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

 

Hi, again, Tom. If you continue to have trouble with Firefox and PlainOldFavorites, you may call me at the following phone number:

714-835-6295.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:09 AM

Subject: Adding Favorites In Firefox

 

Hello, everyone.

 

A while back, I imported internet favorites from Internet Explorer to Firefox using the add-on tool called plain old favorites.

 

 

http://www.iosart.com/firefox/plainoldfavorites/

 

 

Since I now am using Firefox as my main internet browser, I’m interested in adding some additional favorites to my favorites list.

 

I can find the tab that says “add favorites”, but when I attempt to do this, nothing happens.  Jaws says nothing, and I appear to get a blank screen.

 

Am I missing a step here, or is there a different way to add new favorites to my favorites list in Firefox?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 



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Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

cecropia64
 

I've written Freedom Scientific about this issue and asked them if they would consider adding something to Jaws that would solve captchas. As usual all they said was that the information was forwarded to their technical team.
Will this have any affect? You never know. But I'm also quite sure that I am not the only one who wrote to them and asked the same thing.
It would be nice if they would. It would solve a lot of headaches!

On 1/17/2016 3:33 PM, Mario wrote:
Gerald, I think it's inevitable that web visum is going to be lost, since it is recommended not to continue to use an outdated version of firefox. it is possible that Mozilla's ADO (forgot what ADO stands for) team who can sign extensions that are abandond but essentially beneficial for a particular reason, that being, that since the developers of web visum have
abandoned the extension, and wv does serve a purpose of enabling blind users to solve CAPTCHAs, and there is no other plugin that can do what wv did, they should sign it so we can still solve CAPTCHAs that some websites still employ.


On 1/17/2016 1:31 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

It is Mozilla that is concerned about unsigned add-ons. Apparently,
unsigned add-ons have been used to introduce malware into Firefox, and
so Mozilla now requires that all developers of third-party add-ons sign
them to comply with the former's security standards and verify that they
are free of malware. . The developers of Webvisum abandoned it years
ago, and so there is no way to contact them and implore them to sign it
to bring it up to snuff. And starting with Firefox 44 or 45, Webvisum
and all other unsined add-ons will no longer work because the config
entry to enable them will be permanently removed. So once you have
Firefox 43 working with Webvisum, it would be a good idea to uncheck the
box on the advanced tab of the tools menu that allows Firefox to update
itself automatically. Otherwise,you will be automatically updated to
Firefox 44 and 45 and lose Webvisum forever.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:40 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Hi, Mario. I have never understood this issue concerning unsigned AdOns. If
a person makes the change to allow all unsigned AdOns to run, and they are
afraid of running another unsigned AdOn, all they need to do is uninstall
the AdOn or plugin which they don't want to run. That is what the AdOns
manager is for.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working
with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?


in addition, there is a change that can be made in firefox's
configuration settings that can allow unsigned extensions to run, but
that allows, any, unsigned extension/plugin to run, thus defeating
mozillas attempt to improve firefox's security.
it's been suggested to use an earlier portable version of firefox (42)
and adding web visum, and use that version when you need to solve captchas.


On 1/17/2016 11:09 AM, Mario wrote:
David, since I've upgraded firefox to 43.0.4, web visum is working okay
for me. but some other blind users are experiencing that they can't get
wv to install for them. the problem is more of a security issue in that
wv is not digitally signed. however in my case, before upgrading firefox
to the latest version, web visum was set to automatically start and log
me in when ff was started. maybe that's why my web visum is still
working okay.


On 1/16/2016 8:28 PM, David Ingram wrote:
Hi list members, I’d like to know whether the problem of webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed yet? I’d like
to let firefox know of this problem but I’m not sure how I would do that
or if they would be able to respond to this request in a timely manner.
Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this
question.









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Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Maria Campbell
 

If I were you, I'd have FS do another tandem session.
I used to have that type of thing happen when I seemed to be stuck at the address bar area. Another problem I had was getting stuck somewhere with the forms mode on and not be able to move out of it.
I now keep my forms mode to manual. I still have some slow moving web pages, but only with very busy ones, that is ones with many links.
Really, there's got to be a solution, so get back with either FS, Microsoft disability or both.

On 1/17/2016 2:57 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
Adrian:

Unfortunately, I can’t get your strategy to work.

When I get into a form, and use insert escape, followed by insert 8 on
the numpad, and then hit enter to enter the text, Jaws verbalizes the
text, but the PC cursor doesn’t seem to move.

Then, if I hit the tab key to go into the next edit field, I get into a
tab about the Bing search engine, which is obviously outside of the main
web page in which I’m working.

This happens on several web sites that I have tried so far, and was the
same problem with IE 11 I encountered last Summer.

Tom Behler

*From:*Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:14 PM
*To:* jfw@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

When I encounter this problem with IE11, an insert-escape refresh
enables JAWS to verbalize the data entry. Keeping focus on the edit
field, I then press insert-numpad 8 to read the content. Otherwise, I
don’t have the same problem. Is there a specific website?

*From:*Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:01 PM
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Subject:* IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to
IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of
being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no
Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and
install IE 11.

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from
the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had
all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a
back-up, in case something went wrong.

However, this is where the good news ends.

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.
I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit
boxes, and she tells me that my main cursor does not move when I try to
do so. As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered
into the web form. I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I
know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I
hit enter.

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars are disabled,
but so far, no joy!

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific
Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and
with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could
never solve the issue.

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works
fine!

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send
them my way.

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

judith bron
 

Here’s a hint from one of the most unlikely listers, but here goes.  I was having the same problem with IE and when I needed to activate an edit field I simply hit the space bar.  Thankfully this activated it.  JB

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:58 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I can’t get your strategy to work.

 

When I get into a form, and use insert escape, followed by insert 8 on the numpad, and then hit enter to enter the text, Jaws verbalizes the text, but the PC cursor doesn’t seem to move.

 

Then, if I hit the tab key to go into the next edit field, I get into a tab about the Bing search engine, which is obviously outside of the main web page in which I’m working.

 

This happens on several web sites that I have tried so far, and was the same problem with IE 11 I encountered last Summer.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

When I encounter this problem with IE11, an insert-escape refresh enables JAWS to verbalize the data entry. Keeping focus on the edit field, I then press insert-numpad 8 to read the content. Otherwise, I don’t have the same problem. Is there a specific website?

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

 

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and install IE 11.

 

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

 

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

 

However, this is where the good news ends.

 

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.  I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit boxes, and she tells me that my main  cursor does not move when I try to do so.  As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered into the web form.  I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I hit enter.

 

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars  are disabled, but so far, no joy!

 

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific  Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could never solve the issue.

 

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works fine!

 

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send them my way.

 

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom Behler
 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I can’t get your strategy to work.

 

When I get into a form, and use insert escape, followed by insert 8 on the numpad, and then hit enter to enter the text, Jaws verbalizes the text, but the PC cursor doesn’t seem to move.

 

Then, if I hit the tab key to go into the next edit field, I get into a tab about the Bing search engine, which is obviously outside of the main web page in which I’m working.

 

This happens on several web sites that I have tried so far, and was the same problem with IE 11 I encountered last Summer.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

When I encounter this problem with IE11, an insert-escape refresh enables JAWS to verbalize the data entry. Keeping focus on the edit field, I then press insert-numpad 8 to read the content. Otherwise, I don’t have the same problem. Is there a specific website?

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

 

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and install IE 11.

 

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

 

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

 

However, this is where the good news ends.

 

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.  I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit boxes, and she tells me that my main  cursor does not move when I try to do so.  As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered into the web form.  I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I hit enter.

 

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars  are disabled, but so far, no joy!

 

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific  Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could never solve the issue.

 

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works fine!

 

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send them my way.

 

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Mario
 

Gerald, I think it's inevitable that web visum is going to be lost, since it is recommended not to continue to use an outdated version of firefox. it is possible that Mozilla's ADO (forgot what ADO stands for) team who can sign extensions that are abandond but essentially beneficial for a particular reason, that being, that since the developers of web visum have
abandoned the extension, and wv does serve a purpose of enabling blind users to solve CAPTCHAs, and there is no other plugin that can do what wv did, they should sign it so we can still solve CAPTCHAs that some websites still employ.

On 1/17/2016 1:31 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

It is Mozilla that is concerned about unsigned add-ons. Apparently,
unsigned add-ons have been used to introduce malware into Firefox, and
so Mozilla now requires that all developers of third-party add-ons sign
them to comply with the former's security standards and verify that they
are free of malware. . The developers of Webvisum abandoned it years
ago, and so there is no way to contact them and implore them to sign it
to bring it up to snuff. And starting with Firefox 44 or 45, Webvisum
and all other unsined add-ons will no longer work because the config
entry to enable them will be permanently removed. So once you have
Firefox 43 working with Webvisum, it would be a good idea to uncheck the
box on the advanced tab of the tools menu that allows Firefox to update
itself automatically. Otherwise,you will be automatically updated to
Firefox 44 and 45 and lose Webvisum forever.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:40 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?

Hi, Mario. I have never understood this issue concerning unsigned AdOns. If
a person makes the change to allow all unsigned AdOns to run, and they are
afraid of running another unsigned AdOn, all they need to do is uninstall
the AdOn or plugin which they don't want to run. That is what the AdOns
manager is for.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Does anyone know whether the problem with webvisum not working
with the latest version of firefox has been fixed?


in addition, there is a change that can be made in firefox's
configuration settings that can allow unsigned extensions to run, but
that allows, any, unsigned extension/plugin to run, thus defeating
mozillas attempt to improve firefox's security.
it's been suggested to use an earlier portable version of firefox (42)
and adding web visum, and use that version when you need to solve captchas.


On 1/17/2016 11:09 AM, Mario wrote:
David, since I've upgraded firefox to 43.0.4, web visum is working okay
for me. but some other blind users are experiencing that they can't get
wv to install for them. the problem is more of a security issue in that
wv is not digitally signed. however in my case, before upgrading firefox
to the latest version, web visum was set to automatically start and log
me in when ff was started. maybe that's why my web visum is still
working okay.


On 1/16/2016 8:28 PM, David Ingram wrote:
Hi list members, I’d like to know whether the problem of webvisum not
working with the latest version of firefox has been fixed yet? I’d like
to let firefox know of this problem but I’m not sure how I would do that
or if they would be able to respond to this request in a timely manner.
Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this
question.









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Re: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Adrian Spratt
 

When I encounter this problem with IE11, an insert-escape refresh enables JAWS to verbalize the data entry. Keeping focus on the edit field, I then press insert-numpad 8 to read the content. Otherwise, I don’t have the same problem. Is there a specific website?

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

 

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and install IE 11.

 

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

 

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

 

However, this is where the good news ends.

 

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.  I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit boxes, and she tells me that my main  cursor does not move when I try to do so.  As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered into the web form.  I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I hit enter.

 

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars  are disabled, but so far, no joy!

 

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific  Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could never solve the issue.

 

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works fine!

 

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send them my way.

 

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: google drive help

Marianne Denning
 

Why do you want to avoid the web based Google? That is how people
working on the same document can collaborate together.

On 1/15/16, Kimsan <kimsansong@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

My college just created a google drive folder. I have my own google drive
folder, and I have the google drive folder on my desktop.

How can I put that shared folder into my folder that I have on my desktop,
so I can avoid the web based route.

Thanks.

--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


IE 11 Successfully Installed Here, Well, Sort Of

Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I have been reluctant to move from IE 10 to IE 11, because of problems I had last summer with IE 11 in terms of being able to enter text into text boxes on web sites that I access.

 

However, since I now have been forced to upgrade to IE 11 due to no Microsoft support for IE 10, I decided to take the leap today, and install IE 11.

 

I installed IE 11 from the .exe file that I downloaded and saved from the Microsoft web site, and the installation seemed to go well.

 

I also was pleasantly surprised to find that my internet favorites had all been preserved, even though I had saved my favorites folder as a back-up, in case something went wrong.

 

However, this is where the good news ends.

 

I’m now back to having the same text-entry problems I had last summer.  I had my sighted wife watch while I ttried entering text into edit boxes, and she tells me that my main  cursor does not move when I try to do so.  As I enter text, Jaws speaks the text, but it is not entered into the web form.  I have Jaws set to manually enter forms mode, so I know I’m in forms mode, since I get the higher-sounding click whenever I hit enter.

 

I have made sure all add-ons, extensions, and toolbars  are disabled, but so far, no joy!

 

Last summer when I had this issue, I worked with Freedom Scientific  Technical Support, with the Microsoft Accessibility hotline staff, and with another well-experienced Jaws user from this list, and we could never solve the issue.

 

At least I have Firefox now as my main internet browser, and that works fine!

 

If anyone has any other suggestions of things for me to try, please send them my way.

 

I am extremely frustrated with Internet Explorer at this point!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

Adrian Spratt
 

Yes, that’s the answer. Curiously, while Webvisum is there, Plain Old Favorites isn’t. I’d installed Plain Old several years ago, which must explain why it’s there in my Firefox bookmarks list. It’s also updated to my current IE favorites list. I’m not sure this mystery is worth the time it would take to solve.

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:48 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

 

Try turning off your Virtual Cursor with JAWS Key plus Z once you reach your AdOns, then tab. You should see a list of AdOn categories such as Extensions, Plugins, and Services. PlainOldFavorites should be under Extensions. Once you see Extensions, Tab again, and you should see PlainOldFavorites, and if you have WebVisum installed, it will be there, too.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:43 AM

Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

 

Bill,

 

I’ve followed your instructions and Plain Old Favorites is working. Thanks. However, two questions:

 

1.      Are there any potentially harmful consequences from making this alteration in the Firefox config file?

 

2.      When I open add-ons in the tools menu, I can’t get past the list of add-ons Firefox recommends to a list of my installed add-ons. Any ideas?

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 6:53 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

 

Hi again, Adrian. PlainOldFavorites is an unsigned AdOn. For this reason, you must change your about:config file in Firefox to make it work. It only works in Firefox. To install the Adon, you must download it from the following link:

 

 

After this, do the following:

 

1.  Open Firefox 43 and in the address bar, type the below line as seen
with no spaces:
about:config
2.  You will get a Firefox warning saying: 'This may void your
warranty.' Click on  the button that says: 'I'll be
careful, I promise.'
3.  tab once to the list of 700 or so items and press the letter X. You
are looking for the below item:
xpinstall.signatures.required
4.  When this item is highlighted, press the context key or right click
and choose toggel or press T (same thing.)
5.  The highlighted value should change to false as in:
xpinstall.signatures.required;false
6.  Press Control-W to close the Firefox window and then relaunch it.
PlainOldFavorites should now work.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 3:36 PM

Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

 

Bill,

 

I’ve been trying to install Plain Old Favorites today, but I just can’t get it to work. I have the .exe in my downloads folder, but MS doesn’t recognize the file type. I was taken to a recommendation to install Free Viewer, which handles various file types that apparently include Firefox add-ons and extension, but I can’t get Free Viewer even to download, never mind install.

 

The Free viewer webpage is here:

http://www.freeviewer.com/

 

Any better ideas? Also, When I open Firefox add-ons, all I get is a list of recommended add-ons. I can’t get beyond that point.

 

For the record, I have Firefox 43.0.4, Win7 and JAWS 17.

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 3:52 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adding Favorites In Firefox

 

Hi, Tom. I also use PlainOldFavorites in Firefox. Adding favorites in Firefox works the same way it does for Internet Explorer. All you need to do is to go to the page you want to make a favorite for in Firefox. Once you are there, Press Alt plus the letter A. Then press the Enter key, and the favorite is automatically added. The thing which may be confusing is that the favorite will appear at the bottom of the favorites list in Firefox instead of being in alphabetical order. If you want the list to be in alphabetical order again, you must go to the PlainOldFavorites AdOn in the AdOns manager in Firefox, Click on the PlainOldFavorites Adon. It will then say Read Only. Tab to the options for that option. Select the option "Sort By Name". If the option says it is checked, press the space Bar to uncheck this option, then press the Space Bar to re-check the option. Tab to the OK button, and press Enter. Then Press Alt plus W to close Firefox. When you open Firefox again, the favorites will appear in alphabetical order.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:09 AM

Subject: Adding Favorites In Firefox

 

Hello, everyone.

 

A while back, I imported internet favorites from Internet Explorer to Firefox using the add-on tool called plain old favorites.

 

 

http://www.iosart.com/firefox/plainoldfavorites/

 

 

Since I now am using Firefox as my main internet browser, I’m interested in adding some additional favorites to my favorites list.

 

I can find the tab that says “add favorites”, but when I attempt to do this, nothing happens.  Jaws says nothing, and I appear to get a blank screen.

 

Am I missing a step here, or is there a different way to add new favorites to my favorites list in Firefox?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 



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Re: Backup Software and JAWS

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:11 am, Walt Smith wrote:
Are Karen's tools being updated since her death? If so, I haven't heard of
it and I'd suspect that PC technology has passed her utilities by over the
nearly five years since her untimely passing. The fact that they're
accessible isn't, in itself, a recommendation for their continued use.

 Walt,

            Like you, I cannot find any versions of this software that were updated even close to 2011 (the last replicator version I can find is from 2009).  I decided to try downloading and installing the version with the previously posted link.  When you go to run that program the first time it tries to install something called Microsoft Office Single something or other with 2010 included as part of that name.  One would definitely want to proceed with extreme caution if you have a later version of office installed on your machine.  I stopped it at this point because I have a full installation of Office 2010 on my computer and did not want to have anything related to that installation potentially tweaked.

            The main menu did finally pop up, and that software is not what I'd call a full backup in any real sense.  It definitely allows you to do what its name implies, replicate specific files and folders from your machine to a backup drive, but in general I don't want someone to have to pick and choose what they want to backup.  Any individual, particularly if  they are not a really sophisticated user, is likely to possibly omit something that they really do want to have backed up.

             Under Windows 10 I really like their File History feature that's built in as a good user data backup tool that requires virtually no thinking about what you want to back up unless you really are a sophisticated user who has intentionally located data on another logical drive that's on a partition of your hard drive or a completely separate physical drive that would not be backed up automatically.  If that's the case, you're definitely going to know you've done that and add locations to what File History backs up.  If you're the average user, though, whose entire collection of data files start at the User Libraries level [My Documents, My Pictures, My Music, My Videos - remove the "My " if you have Windows after Windows 7] File History will get everything without any tweaks needed to settings.

              You still need to take an occasional system image backup as well, but that's a separate issue from user data backup.

Brian


Re: Backup Software and JAWS

Robert Logue
 

I like SyncBackPro and SyncBackSE from 2BrightSparks.
There is a free version as well.
The home page is:
http://www.2brightsparks.com/

Download SyncBackFree http://www.2brightsparks.com/download-syncbackfree.html

Some minor access difficulties because the screens are quite busy but it all works without scripting Jaws.

Lots of options which makes it both very flexible and complex.  However there are some simple settings in basic mode.  Sometimes I need to use the screen reader cursor to bring up drive lists.

I wish there was a real easy backup and restore program that was fully accessible and easy to use with any screen reader. 

Bob



On 1/15/2016 3:43 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Hello All,

         I try to encourage every single person I ever work with to acquire an external backup drive and to set up automatic backups that include all user data plus a full system backup.  I, personally, have had very mixed results with the Backup and Recovery that's built in to Windows over the years, and many aspects of it that I already know make me think it's probably not the most accessible either.

         I'm trying to survey the members of the cohort to see what backup software they may be using and how they feel about it as far as accessibility using JAWS.  So, if you've got experience to share, please do so.

Brian