Brad,

           I cannot speak at all to accessibility, since I've never had a client with a need for FTP capability, but you should definitely give Filezilla a try to see if it plays well with JAWS.  It's a great little FTP client, and if it does play well with JAWS I'll bet you'll love it.  It's free and open-source, so there's no risk in trying it and it's been around for a very, very long time.

Brian

Hello All,

         This question may also apply to later versions of JAWS, but right now I'm working with clients who currently have JAWS 15 who are slated for upgrades.

         During a session with one of my clients yesterday, we again encountered what I consider to be a really annoying, and useless in context, feature of JAWS.  When you are in Windows Explorer or File Explorer, using either list or details view for your files and folders, there is a tiny icon that precedes each folder or file that visually indicates what follows it to it's immediate right actually is, e.g., a folder, an MS-Word file, a PDF file, an image file, etc.  For some reason that I cannot fathom, JAWS announces the icon's actual file name, e.g., Graphic 78, before moving on to the file name after it, rather than mapping that file name to useful information, e.g., MS-Word file.  It's even more annoying since JAWS announces the full file name and extension for the actual file when announcing that.  It's just hugely distracting (and, yes, to the client, not just to me) and adds no value as far as cluing someone in as to what comes next unless you've committed to memory what each and every icon's graphic file name happens to be.

         Is there any way to turn off the announcement of that specific item at the start of each line?  I cannot find any way to eliminate its appearance in Windows and really wouldn't want to as I know this client has sighted assistants at times and that makes it much harder for them to instantly recognize the file type.

         If this particular peculiarity has been done away with in JAWS 16 or JAWS 17 I'd be interested to know.  I worked with JAWS 16, but that's over a year ago, and my memory of what's announced when browsing in File Explorer/Windows Explorer is vague.  I've actually written to FS suggesting that they put the effort in to make a translation table in contexts like these so that instead of announcing the icon file name they actually give the user useful information so that the graphic for folder would be announced, "folder," a PDF file as "PDF file", etc. rather than these meaningless icon file names.

Brian

Gerald Levy wrote: "And do you know why the developers of Webvisum
abandoned it? Because they finally got sick and tired of trying to
keep up with Mozilla’s constant updates and changes to Firefox."

And if you're not prepared to keep up with the pace demanded in
today's programming world it is best that you abandon it. (That's one
of the reasons I did.)

All currently available major web browsers have almost continuous
release schedules. That's not going to change, either, so anyone who
wishes to remain a player on that field is either going to adapt or die.

I have done a little testing since I made that post, and am cautiously optimistic.  When I get my phone back in working order, and really get into the daily grind, it’ll be interesting.  IE 11 is a bit slower, but overall feels more stable.  I’m not jumping up and down yet, but neither am I hanging crape.

Ted

The biggest stability issue I’ve found with 16 is working with Silverlight.  Remember, this interface was totally unusable prior to 16, so direct comparisons are impossible.  My current platform is a 64-bit Win7 PRO machine, with IE 11.  I have a few network issues to overcome, but am curious to see if any or all the upgrades from my last platform (32-bit, IE 10) make a difference.

Ted

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

Ongoing thanks to all who are so generously contributing their personal perspectives to this thread!  The response is more than I ever could have hoped for when I made the initial post.

A quick observation from me, since I've worked with both JAWS 15 and 16 recently enough to make an assessment:  Both have been pretty stable and behaved substantially the same for "the old functions" they share.  I have not yet dealt with JAWS 17, so have to withhold any opinion until I do, and that's coming soon.

I just posted at some length regarding Windows 10 on the NVDA/WindowEyes/JAWS thread I started this morning.

When you come down to it, this kind of problem is outside of most folks’
frame of reference—they don’t think of it, because they don’t
experience it. While I agree that you can always tell a bigot, but
you can’t tell him much, most don’t understand our problems only
because they were never explained; the best cure for ignorance is knowledge.

Ted

*From:*Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* jfw@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray,

You are entitled to your anger, which is justifiable, but
not to your assertion that Captchas value at thwarting hackers is
"dubious at best." They functioned (and function) brilliantly at
preventing machine-based attacks of all sorts. They were and are a
brilliant idea that had "the law of unintended consequences" attached.
They've also been modified with audio, at least genuine Captcha
captchas have, due to accessibility concerns.

Gerald's assertion is dubious, at best, as advocacy from
individuals and groups is precisely what has driven the changes that
have already occurred and continue to occur. When it comes down to it
the old adage, "It's not all about you," (and that's for the generic
you) applies here. Businesses and entities are only trying to protect
themselves and their assets, and, by extension, their clients. There
is no malicious intent and there is far more awareness, and
responsiveness, with regard to accessibility issues when those are identified.

There is no "one size fits all" solution to any problem,
and there is no utility in creating a completely permeable barrier
when a partial barrier is actually needed. Input from those
negatively affected is an incredibly valuable and necessary part of
working through some issues that really had not been anticipated.

----- Original Message -----

From: Adrian Spratt

To: jfw@groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:43 PM

Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Keep looking. Here’s an example of a blind person who has made a career of mathematics:

https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm12/bm1207/bm120702.htm

 

From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Hi Brian,

I did all you suggest to get my BS in mathematics and my MA in mathematics education at The Ohio State University. However, when it came to finding employment, my interviewers would shut down as soon as they saw that I was blind. Having two degrees did not seem to matter to employers. They still saw me as a helpless person who would cost the company lots of money. It is hard to get through college as a blind person, but that was nothing for me compared to finding a job. I never did find a job teaching mathematics. I worked in a call center, but they closed down. Hardly any are accessible with JAWS. I tutor math on my own. I am about to start my own JAWS tutoring and math tutoring free help for fun. There are so many blind people out there who have never turned on a computer. I am far way blessed than they are. I will offer my services for nothing, because there is so much to do just to get the blind using a computer and then learning JAWS. You may want to pass this information to your students to get them ready for employment after they finish school. Actually, the more you have to do things on your own in college, the better off you will be on a job. There is no Office for Disabilities at IBM or large company. The Office for Disabilities helped me so much when it came to getting my course work in electric format and all of that, but when I began looking for a job, it was a different world. Most interviewers have never heard of the term “accessibility.” You have to explain that there is JAWS, but you sure cannot use that word. I had to say something like there is software that will make your computer talk. Just saying that made most interviewers sigh and say, “Oh My!!!” The first question I got was, “How can you teach math being blind when you cannot see it yourself?” I just have to say that getting through college was a breeze compared to sitting before an interviewer when trying to find a job. Take care, Brian. I would love to do what you are doing. Have a great one.

 

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:56 AM

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

That point about the time frame was well taken.  I took my terminal Degree in May, 1982, when the IBM pc was a new product, and before TI taught PC’s how to talk.  I remember I had 4 written exams in the fall of 1978, before I could spend full-time working on my dissertation.  Each student had 24 hours to complete his exam, my chair gave me 48, as it had to be done twice.  What I wouldn’t have given for my first XT back then.  I was lucky UK understood.

 

Ted

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Pablo,

         The sad fact is, and I don't say this to be nasty or dismissive but to introduce a reality check, that even with the advances that have been made in accessibility, and there have been many just over the last decade, the world is designed for "the typical" and those with significant disabilities are not "the typical."  This is one of the reasons I try to teach my clients (two of which are, at this time, graduate students) to learn to be their own advocates.  I do not know of a single college student who does not, with pretty much frequency, need to have a sighted reader, particularly for older print material or, as you've found, niche material like mathematical books, etc.  If colleges accept students with disabilities they are expected to provide reasonable accommodations, but very often they have absolutely no idea what that entails.  I have to say that this is not necessarily their fault, either, because students with disabilities are a micro niche and even the disabilities coordinators may be encountering someone with "disability X" or "disability Y" for the first time, ever, and have no idea of what's what.  It is absolutely impossible for any disabilities coordinator to have in-depth knowledge of every disability, or combination of disabilities, they might encounter.  A lot of thinking on one's feet is involved and, very often, taking input from the client as to what they've needed in the past in similar settings.  It's an uphill battle for all involved, including a lot of people who genuinely want to help you.

          If you actually know what you need, and in a situation like this is will probably be a reader, then push to get one.  Once you're in school you will find that "time is of the essence" will take on some real, new meaning even if you are given time accommodations for specific assignments.  You are going to have to figure out what you will require to meet those deadlines and, if it's not already in place, start rattling cages to get it into place as promptly as possible.

          If there is a state department for the blind and visually impaired in your state you would be wise to link up with them for assistance and advocacy.  Even then, you'll still have to sometimes push for what you need.

          I am not trying to be discouraging at all.  You can be a college student and be blind, but your college experience will, by definition, be very different than that of most students and you will need to be thinking about what you need all the time, and trying to anticipate what you might need as your courses change.

          One of the things that's driven me crazy as a JAWS tutor for students is the introduction of web-based course management systems.  These things are great if you can see, and can instantly tell what out of the myriad features your given professor may or may not be using for a given course, but if you can't we know how JAWS reads every blessed thing on a screen, and lots of these screens are chock full of links that aren't used, but remain there as place holders.  I have tried to encourage several local institutions to set up either "sandbox" versions of these systems with fake courses loaded so that those who have to access them with screen readers can have practice, and lots of it, prior to actually needing to use these systems for actual courses (or setting up fake courses in their real systems that they can enroll you in for practice).  The electronic course management system could be an entire semester's class alone, and no one should be trying to learn how to use it while also trying to learn the actual material for a course.

           You can do this, but you will, unquestionably, be working harder to get it done in ways that no one who is not in your situation will ever understand entirely, myself included.

Brian

Great! 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Support for Internet Explorer 11 in the Windows 10 Operating System

The extended support end date currently listed for all of the "flavors" of Windows 10 that run on laptops or desktops is noted as 10/24/2025 on the Microsoft Lifecycle Support Page for Windows 10.

From the Microsoft Lifecycle Support Page for Internet Explorer:

3. How long will the most current version of Internet Explorer remain supported? 
Internet Explorer is a component of the Windows operating system and the most current version will continue to follow the specific support lifecycle policy for the operating system for which it is installed.

Hi Carolyn,

Thanks for that tip. I'll do that. and for anyone else who'd like to
exchange tips for transcription or working at home in general., feel
free to message me at jonellenicole@... or on skype at
jonele_nicole
thanks.

On 1/7/16, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

For medical transcription, get the number from Directory Assistance of
American Association for Medical Transcription. Ask them for direction
toward getting certification. If you have had some courses or experience,
you might be ready for the examination, so they should be able to tell
what
to do to arrange the examination and a proctor. They have study modules.
At
least, that used to be the case. I have been out of the field for 18
years,
but others on this list may be able to give better guidance toward
certification. I was certified for about 20 years. Once certified, it is
necessary to take continuing education to maintain certification, and you
probably would find that interesting and helpful to you with the work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonelle P [mailto:jonellenicole@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 12:46 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

Hey, sorry for taking long to get back, I almost forgot to respond, but
for
more I can share about working at home with companies, you can reach me
on
skype at jonelle_nicole but also if anyone can help me learn how to get
started on medical transcription like where to get certified and maybe
what
companies to apply to, that would be helpful.
I know some, and I have some knowledge in transcription itself, but need
more info especially on medical. thanks.

On 1/6/16, Michael Mote <miketmote73@...> wrote:

Hi! I would be interested in your work at home experiences as well.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonelle P [mailto:jonellenicole@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

Hi to Laura and Tina

I wanted to share that I am a Jaws 16 user who has been working from
home for several companies for over 5 years now, and am also
interested in the best rout to pursuing Medical transcription as a
long-term career. I'll be glad to exchange links and tips about getting
started with working at home.
I don't mind shareing my info and you can email me at my gmail listed
above, and we can even share Skype since that's where a lot of at home
companies and agents connect. Thanks.

Jonelle

On 1/5/16, Adekoya Rasak <rasakadekoya@...> wrote:

big thank to Charles. but please, can a visually impaired person who
lives in a country in Africa enroll for any of tis job opportunit?

regard

On 04/01/2016, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

If you get the scissors type, they can be taped together. When I
worked, I had three of them taped together - one for Vocal Eyes; one
for the main dictation machine and one for cassettes. It worked with
no problem.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 12:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have moderate to severe, or is it the other way around hearing
loss, so I have to do everything from the left ear.

Rather uncomfortable to put the phone and headset to one ear lol.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@...]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:31 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I do that all the time, when I call the bank or credit card company,
earbud in right ear for computer, earbud in left for phone.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: SingingHearts [mailto:singinghearts@...]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have improvised with a headset for one source and earbuds for the
other when doing medical transcription from home with one side of
the headset covering one ear and one earbud in the other. A
refreshable braille display/notetaker was very helpful, too. The
companies I've worked for provided the transcription-specific
equipment (hardware and software).
Many
medical references are available online. Searching them out ahead of
time, bookmarking them, and familiarizing yourself with them can be
a great timesaver.

Hth,
Tina C.


On 1/4/16, Michael Malver <mmalver@...> wrote:

You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and
the phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the
other.
Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need
this regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.





From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@...]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment



Hi list members,



I'm currently searching for a customer service, medical
transcription, or other home based position but am not sure what
extra equipment I might need to do these types of jobs from home.
Do I need special software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.?
I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Could somebody please share their current or past experience with
home based employment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura

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For medical transcription, get the number from Directory Assistance of
American Association for Medical Transcription. Ask them for direction
toward getting certification. If you have had some courses or experience,
you might be ready for the examination, so they should be able to tell what
to do to arrange the examination and a proctor. They have study modules. At
least, that used to be the case. I have been out of the field for 18 years,
but others on this list may be able to give better guidance toward
certification. I was certified for about 20 years. Once certified, it is
necessary to take continuing education to maintain certification, and you
probably would find that interesting and helpful to you with the work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonelle P [mailto:jonellenicole@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 12:46 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

Hey, sorry for taking long to get back, I almost forgot to respond, but for
more I can share about working at home with companies, you can reach me on
skype at jonelle_nicole but also if anyone can help me learn how to get
started on medical transcription like where to get certified and maybe what
companies to apply to, that would be helpful.
I know some, and I have some knowledge in transcription itself, but need
more info especially on medical. thanks.

On 1/6/16, Michael Mote <miketmote73@...> wrote:

Hi! I would be interested in your work at home experiences as well.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonelle P [mailto:jonellenicole@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

Hi to Laura and Tina

I wanted to share that I am a Jaws 16 user who has been working from
home for several companies for over 5 years now, and am also
interested in the best rout to pursuing Medical transcription as a
long-term career. I'll be glad to exchange links and tips about getting
started with working at home.
I don't mind shareing my info and you can email me at my gmail listed
above, and we can even share Skype since that's where a lot of at home
companies and agents connect. Thanks.

Jonelle

On 1/5/16, Adekoya Rasak <rasakadekoya@...> wrote:

big thank to Charles. but please, can a visually impaired person who
lives in a country in Africa enroll for any of tis job opportunit?

regard

On 04/01/2016, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

If you get the scissors type, they can be taped together. When I
worked, I had three of them taped together - one for Vocal Eyes; one
for the main dictation machine and one for cassettes. It worked with
no problem.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 12:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have moderate to severe, or is it the other way around hearing
loss, so I have to do everything from the left ear.

Rather uncomfortable to put the phone and headset to one ear lol.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@...]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:31 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I do that all the time, when I call the bank or credit card company,
earbud in right ear for computer, earbud in left for phone.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: SingingHearts [mailto:singinghearts@...]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have improvised with a headset for one source and earbuds for the
other when doing medical transcription from home with one side of
the headset covering one ear and one earbud in the other. A
refreshable braille display/notetaker was very helpful, too. The
companies I've worked for provided the transcription-specific
equipment (hardware and software).
Many
medical references are available online. Searching them out ahead of
time, bookmarking them, and familiarizing yourself with them can be
a great timesaver.

Hth,
Tina C.


On 1/4/16, Michael Malver <mmalver@...> wrote:

You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and
the phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the
other.
Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need
this regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.





From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@...]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment



Hi list members,



I'm currently searching for a customer service, medical
transcription, or other home based position but am not sure what
extra equipment I might need to do these types of jobs from home.
Do I need special software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.?
I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Could somebody please share their current or past experience with
home based employment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura

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not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome."
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fileZilla is definitely accessible with JAWS. I use that and WinSCP on a regular basis. I recommend WinSCP over FileZilla only because it lets you edit a remote file locally. As a linux sysadmin, I use that pretty extensively--mostly because I'm lazy, and typing "nano <filename>" just takes too long.

---

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: January-07-16 9:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Friendly FTP Client

Brad,

           I cannot speak at all to accessibility, since I've never had a client with a need for FTP capability, but you should definitely give Filezilla a try to see if it plays well with JAWS.  It's a great little FTP client, and if it does play well with JAWS I'll bet you'll love it.  It's free and open-source, so there's no risk in trying it and it's been around for a very, very long time.

Brian

Brad,

           I cannot speak at all to accessibility, since I've never had a client with a need for FTP capability, but you should definitely give Filezilla a try to see if it plays well with JAWS.  It's a great little FTP client, and if it does play well with JAWS I'll bet you'll love it.  It's free and open-source, so there's no risk in trying it and it's been around for a very, very long time.

Brian

Filezilla is pretty good, unless they went south for the winter as I have not used it since last January or so…

 

From: Brad Martin [mailto:brad@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS Friendly FTP Client

 

Once upon a time, you could use Windows Explorer to access FTP servers. According to Google, you still can, but my computer disagrees. Following Microsoft's instructions, no matter what I do, I get an error that says the folder I'm specifying is invalid. So I'm totally over that.

I know how to use FTP from the command line, but I've got some really awkwardly long file names, and I'd rather not have to type them exactly. (It's a UNIX server so capitalization even matters.)

Can anybody recommend a basic FTP client that JAWS reads well? Ideally free. I don't need anything fancy; I just want the ability to copy some files from a regular folder on my computer and paste them into the FTP server, and the other way around.

Thanks,
Brad

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Once upon a time, you could use Windows Explorer to access FTP servers. According to Google, you still can, but my computer disagrees. Following Microsoft's instructions, no matter what I do, I get an error that says the folder I'm specifying is invalid. So I'm totally over that.

I know how to use FTP from the command line, but I've got some really awkwardly long file names, and I'd rather not have to type them exactly. (It's a UNIX server so capitalization even matters.)

Can anybody recommend a basic FTP client that JAWS reads well? Ideally free. I don't need anything fancy; I just want the ability to copy some files from a regular folder on my computer and paste them into the FTP server, and the other way around.

Thanks,
Brad

I was able to access m.facebook.com using a link that a lister sent.  However when I was on the facebook site and pressed Control O and typed in the address mazilla told me the address couldn’t be found.  Also I have a feeling that not all my facebook messages are being displayed on the page.  Is there a way to save an address in a mazilla file so it can be accessed easily?