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Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

David Moore
 

Hi,
Google Chrome is pretty accessible for me when using it with win10 and JAWS 17. I have a tutorial that I did on Chrome if you want me to send it to you. Have a great one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:53 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

It definitely caused me grief when I tried it, but haven't tried with IE 11 and JAWS 17.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 2:44 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Chrome has its own issues with JAWS, or the other way round. FS does not recommend it, and it caused me some grief earlier. Every advance since Windows 1.X has raised the specter of losing our hard-won autonomy, but it hasn’t happened yet.



Ted



From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:08 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer



Adrian,

No, I wasn't missing that point at all.

There are a lot of people who pay no attention at all to the technical press, and for good reason, so they don't even know that the writing is on the wall with regard to Internet Explorer. I wasn't sure if you might be one of those people, and there are certainly readers here who might not know. All I was trying to do was to spread the word that Internet Explorer really is a dead end now and that something else will rise to take its place with the companies doing screen reading software. I've been praying for Firefox or Chrome to be "the next anointed one(s)."

Brian


Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Mario
 

I've just upgraded to IE11 and experienced no problems. but I'm using JAWS 16. frankly, I don't really think it would make a difference if JAWS 17 is being used.

On 1/7/2016 6:53 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
It definitely caused me grief when I tried it, but haven't tried with IE 11 and JAWS 17.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 2:44 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Chrome has its own issues with JAWS, or the other way round. FS does not recommend it, and it caused me some grief earlier. Every advance since Windows 1.X has raised the specter of losing our hard-won autonomy, but it hasn’t happened yet.



Ted



From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:08 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer



Adrian,

No, I wasn't missing that point at all.

There are a lot of people who pay no attention at all to the technical press, and for good reason, so they don't even know that the writing is on the wall with regard to Internet Explorer. I wasn't sure if you might be one of those people, and there are certainly readers here who might not know. All I was trying to do was to spread the word that Internet Explorer really is a dead end now and that something else will rise to take its place with the companies doing screen reading software. I've been praying for Firefox or Chrome to be "the next anointed one(s)."

Brian







Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

It definitely caused me grief when I tried it, but haven't tried with IE 11 and JAWS 17.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 2:44 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Chrome has its own issues with JAWS, or the other way round. FS does not recommend it, and it caused me some grief earlier. Every advance since Windows 1.X has raised the specter of losing our hard-won autonomy, but it hasn’t happened yet.



Ted



From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:08 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer



Adrian,

No, I wasn't missing that point at all.

There are a lot of people who pay no attention at all to the technical press, and for good reason, so they don't even know that the writing is on the wall with regard to Internet Explorer. I wasn't sure if you might be one of those people, and there are certainly readers here who might not know. All I was trying to do was to spread the word that Internet Explorer really is a dead end now and that something else will rise to take its place with the companies doing screen reading software. I've been praying for Firefox or Chrome to be "the next anointed one(s)."

Brian


Re: Hot-Key for battery life left on Laptop

Paul D. J. Jenkins <pdjj6123@...>
 

I never knew that was there!

 

From: Raymond Bishup [mailto:rtbishop@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 16:28
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Hot-Key for battery life left on Laptop

 

Has anyone noticed that in JFW 17 Shift+Caps lock+B  since caps lock is being used as a jaws key, will not tell you your battery life on your laptop like it has up to this point?  Just curious?

 

 

 

 

Raymond Bishop, NV9B

Philippians 4:6-7

 

 

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Re: classic firefox theme

Paul D. J. Jenkins <pdjj6123@...>
 

Good evening Brian and All!

 

  Is there a way to activate a similar menu bar in Google Chrome, please?

 

Thanks,

 

Paul

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 12:58
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: classic firefox theme

 

As Brad Martin has already mentioned, the Firefox Classic Theme Restorer is purely cosmetic in nature.  If you are accessing Firefox with JAWS it is really neither here nor there unless it were to break something with accessibility.  I can't really see what purpose it would serve if you literally can't see it.

Firefox does not, by default, show the Menu Bar on initial installation anymore.  It can, however, be toggled back on by hitting ALT+V, followed by T, followed by M.

Not that it's a perfect security measure, but the whole reason for add-on signing is to increase the security profile of a given add-on.  Firefox Classic Theme Restorer is signed and can be verified by Firefox.

Brian


Re: Home based employment

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

For medical transcription, get the number from Directory Assistance of American Association for Medical Transcription. Ask them for direction toward getting certification. If you have had some courses or experience, you might be ready for the examination, so they should be able to tell what to do to arrange the examination and a proctor. They have study modules. At least, that used to be the case. I have been out of the field for 18 years, but others on this list may be able to give better guidance toward certification. I was certified for about 20 years. Once certified, it is necessary to take continuing education to maintain certification, and you probably would find that interesting and helpful to you with the work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonelle P [mailto:jonellenicole@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 12:46 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

Hey, sorry for taking long to get back, I almost forgot to respond, but for more I can share about working at home with companies, you can reach me on skype at jonelle_nicole but also if anyone can help me learn how to get started on medical transcription like where to get certified and maybe what companies to apply to, that would be helpful.
I know some, and I have some knowledge in transcription itself, but need more info especially on medical. thanks.

On 1/6/16, Michael Mote <miketmote73@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi! I would be interested in your work at home experiences as well.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonelle P [mailto:jonellenicole@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

Hi to Laura and Tina

I wanted to share that I am a Jaws 16 user who has been working from
home for several companies for over 5 years now, and am also
interested in the best rout to pursuing Medical transcription as a
long-term career. I'll be glad to exchange links and tips about getting started with working at home.
I don't mind shareing my info and you can email me at my gmail listed
above, and we can even share Skype since that's where a lot of at home
companies and agents connect. Thanks.

Jonelle

On 1/5/16, Adekoya Rasak <rasakadekoya@gmail.com> wrote:
big thank to Charles. but please, can a visually impaired person who
lives in a country in Africa enroll for any of tis job opportunit?

regard

On 04/01/2016, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
If you get the scissors type, they can be taped together. When I
worked, I had three of them taped together - one for Vocal Eyes; one
for the main dictation machine and one for cassettes. It worked with
no problem.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan [mailto:kimsansong@outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 12:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have moderate to severe, or is it the other way around hearing
loss, so I have to do everything from the left ear.

Rather uncomfortable to put the phone and headset to one ear lol.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:31 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I do that all the time, when I call the bank or credit card company,
earbud in right ear for computer, earbud in left for phone.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: SingingHearts [mailto:singinghearts@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have improvised with a headset for one source and earbuds for the
other when doing medical transcription from home with one side of
the headset covering one ear and one earbud in the other. A
refreshable braille display/notetaker was very helpful, too. The
companies I've worked for provided the transcription-specific
equipment (hardware and software).
Many
medical references are available online. Searching them out ahead of
time, bookmarking them, and familiarizing yourself with them can be
a great timesaver.

Hth,
Tina C.


On 1/4/16, Michael Malver <mmalver@gmail.com> wrote:
You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and
the phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the
other.
Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need
this regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.





From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment



Hi list members,



I'm currently searching for a customer service, medical
transcription, or other home based position but am not sure what
extra equipment I might need to do these types of jobs from home.
Do I need special software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.?
I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Could somebody please share their current or past experience with
home based employment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura








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Re: Hot-Key for battery life left on Laptop

Ann Byrne
 

Insert+shift+b. It is also in the system tray.

At 03:27 PM 1/7/2016, you wrote:
Has anyone noticed that in JFW 17 Shift+Caps lock+B since caps lock is being used as a jaws key, will not tell you your battery life on your laptop like it has up to this point? Just curious?




Raymond Bishop, NV9B
Philippians 4:6-7


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Hot-Key for battery life left on Laptop

Raymond Bishup
 

Has anyone noticed that in JFW 17 Shift+Caps lock+B  since caps lock is being used as a jaws key, will not tell you your battery life on your laptop like it has up to this point?  Just curious?

 

 

 

 

Raymond Bishop, NV9B

Philippians 4:6-7

 

 

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Re: is there a program that converts video files to mp3 formats?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

More cool VLC features!  Man, those folks need a manual; there’s so much power there.

 

Ted

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 7:09 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a program that converts video files to mp3 formats?

 

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: addition that the URL that I posted before was not for YouTube video]

One tiny addition to Mr. Moore's URLs.

The one he gave for convert2mp3 lands you on the German language page.  Click here for their English language page.

If these services work for videos of the length you need to extract the audio from they are probably the easiest way to do it.  The link I posted previously is to a How-To-Geek article that goes step-by-step through the process for VLC for video, but not streamed video such as YouTube.  I know it can do that, too, but it would not be a less complicated process.  I don't know how accessible that webpage will be because it uses a lot of screen shots and I didn't take a look at whether there is alternate text or if the accompanying text is detailed enough.  The author does give each and every dialog you need to go through, and it's quite a few of them.

 


Re: Seeing your download

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

David, hope I can remember this next time I want something.  You’re the second response, and thanks.

 

Ted

 

From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 4:39 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Seeing your download

 

Hi Ted,

In IE 11, press ctrl J and all of your downloads will be stored there, and you can keep track of the current download, the percentage and so forth. Have a great one.

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 10:27 AM

Subject: Seeing your download

 

Pardon me for changing the thread here, but I’ve recently noticed something since switching to 11, and I think I saw something about it on this list earlier.  I can no longer track the progress of my download on screen.  Is there a default to restore the older behavior?  It might be right there on the opening screen, and I didn’t know to look for it.

 

Ted

 

From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Good evening Mike!

 

  I am sorry to have to pester you with this, but do you know of a similar extension for Mozilla Firefox?  Most unfortunately, there are still some pages I have an easier time working with in Firefox, than in Chrome.

 

Take care,

 

Paul Jenkins

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 16:55
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Fw: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Howdy Y'all,

 

I finally found an extension that plays a sound when a download is complete.  Info is below:

 

Extension

 

Download Notifier
offered by ehaagwlke
(83)
Category: Productivity
4,514 users
Added to Chrome
Share

 

OVERVIEW
OVERVIEW
REVIEWS
REVIEWS
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
RELATED
RELATED

 

Compatible with your device
You get a desktop notification while your downloading finished.
0.0.5
I get the time to make the 'play a sound when download finished' feature configurable. And you also can decide whether the default download shelf should
display or not (though I prefer NOT).

 

Another change is, there will be more than one notification card displayed.

 

All things now could be configured via options page.

 

**********
V0.0.4
Here comes three new things:
1. The "Open" button now can be used
2. While one download finished, it would play a sound (not configurable for now)
3. The icon would be visible even if you are using a pure black theme

 

and one more thing (might be buggy):
- sometimes Chrome thought the file downloaded would be harmful, once this happened, this extension will prompt to ask for your confirmation, and this
will be done on the chrome://downloads page. And, this feature might be buggy, if
you encounter any problem, contact or email me. Thank you.

 

**********

 

This extension does two things:

 

1. Disabled the download shelf. Yes, I personally do not like it. So when I get the change, I just disabled it. You will get a badge while something is
downloading. Sorry no progress bar available for now.

 

2. Display a desktop notification when your downloading finished, and you could find it by one simple click.

 

TODO(May be implemented in future, may not):

 

1. An animated browser action icon which could show the downloading progress

 

2. A "OPEN" button on the notification card -- depends on whether Google would allow me to do so. [V0.0.4 added]

 

3. A popup shows all the downloads -- actually it was almost there, if there had not been some annoying bugs.
Report Abuse
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Take care.
Mike


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Goodness, I remember reading something about that, but don't think I ever saw a real life copy. Those were the days when I'd download and try things, without having to worry about a registry. All I really needed to get out of even the worst jams was a boot disk!

Funnyh you should mention that, as I was thinking earlier today how much we owe the guys I call pioneers--Hutchinson (a native of Rockcastle,KY, I'm proud to say), Holiday, Skutchan, [yes, Virginia], Henter Etc.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 2:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Jonathan also explained patiently how you can turn it off altogether or for specific sites. I rather like it myself. I think that FS is truly trying to keep up with the ever-changing demands myself. I can understand how hard this is; my ex-husband, Dr. Hallenbeck, wrote ProVox, and I know it is a dinosaur, but it did point out how you have to work to keep up with ever-changing demands. I got a new notebook computer once and it didn't work using his software so I had to use another screen reading program. He worked zealously to make his software work with that computer and succeeded, but it wasn't an immediate thing by any means.
Cindy Lou Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 12:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


Is FS really trying to keep up with changes in technology with each successive release of JAWS? Or are they merely trying to maximize profits by introducing features of dubious value to justify charging for SMA updates? A perfect example is JAWS 17 which introduced "smart" navigation?
Except for Jonathan Mosen, who is a paid pitchman for FS, have you seen anyone else rave about how indespensible this feature is?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:46 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

This is precisely why, although I complain about the problems with JAWS, I can also understand the challenge of FS trying to keep up with the never-ending changes in technology.


On 1/6/2016 11:39 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gerald Levy wrote: "And do you know why the developers of Webvisum
abandoned it? Because they finally got sick and tired of trying to
keep up with Mozilla’s constant updates and changes to Firefox."

And if you're not prepared to keep up with the pace demanded in
today's programming world it is best that you abandon it. (That's one
of the reasons I did.)

All currently available major web browsers have almost continuous
release schedules. That's not going to change, either, so anyone who
wishes to remain a player on that field is either going to adapt or die.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I have done a little testing since I made that post, and am cautiously optimistic.  When I get my phone back in working order, and really get into the daily grind, it’ll be interesting.  IE 11 is a bit slower, but overall feels more stable.  I’m not jumping up and down yet, but neither am I hanging crape.

 

Ted

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

 

The biggest stability issue I’ve found with 16 is working with Silverlight.  Remember, this interface was totally unusable prior to 16, so direct comparisons are impossible.  My current platform is a 64-bit Win7 PRO machine, with IE 11.  I have a few network issues to overcome, but am curious to see if any or all the upgrades from my last platform (32-bit, IE 10) make a difference.

 

Ted

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

 

Ongoing thanks to all who are so generously contributing their personal perspectives to this thread!  The response is more than I ever could have hoped for when I made the initial post.

A quick observation from me, since I've worked with both JAWS 15 and 16 recently enough to make an assessment:  Both have been pretty stable and behaved substantially the same for "the old functions" they share.  I have not yet dealt with JAWS 17, so have to withhold any opinion until I do, and that's coming soon.

I just posted at some length regarding Windows 10 on the NVDA/WindowEyes/JAWS thread I started this morning.


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Depends on how you have punctuation set.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Maria,

        I used the old-fashioned text based "winking smile" after my comment about appreciating those changes so as to unequivocally mark it as a humorous comment.  This is composed of, one after the other, a semicolon, hyphen, and right parenthesis.

        Some forums software, but not groups.io's, will insert the "modern" graphical equivalent when these are typed unless you override the feature.

        I just wondered if JAWS would be reading something to you like, "semicolon hyphen right parenthesis," which is annoying, superfluous, and completely removes any functional use of the text emoticon.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I haven't seen it yet, but it might come in handy on our new portal. You see, the program is not JAWS cursor friendly, and the ability to read a line without tabbing around might help compensate.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


Is FS really trying to keep up with changes in technology with each successive release of JAWS? Or are they merely trying to maximize profits by introducing features of dubious value to justify charging for SMA updates? A perfect example is JAWS 17 which introduced "smart" navigation?
Except for Jonathan Mosen, who is a paid pitchman for FS, have you seen anyone else rave about how indespensible this feature is?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:46 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

This is precisely why, although I complain about the problems with JAWS, I can also understand the challenge of FS trying to keep up with the never-ending changes in technology.


On 1/6/2016 11:39 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gerald Levy wrote: "And do you know why the developers of Webvisum
abandoned it? Because they finally got sick and tired of trying to
keep up with Mozilla’s constant updates and changes to Firefox."

And if you're not prepared to keep up with the pace demanded in
today's programming world it is best that you abandon it. (That's one
of the reasons I did.)

All currently available major web browsers have almost continuous
release schedules. That's not going to change, either, so anyone who
wishes to remain a player on that field is either going to adapt or die.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

If they’re graphical, users can probably label them. I missed that one, but I wasn’t really looking.

 

Ted

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:53 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Maria Campbell wrote: "I can also understand the challenge of FS trying to keep up with the never-ending changes in technology."

Oh no you can't, unless you've been in the trenches trying to do so.  But you can appreciate those challenges! ;-)

Brian, who as a former programmer can't even understand what this sort of pace must be like

P.S. Though I generally hate and avoid emoticons, I will occasionally use them like I did here.  Is that useful or appropriate for the audience?  I honestly have no idea how old-fashioned typed emoticons or their graphical replacements get treated by JAWS.


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Look at the iPhone. For three geneerations, no more unfriendly device was ever patented, and look at it now. Touch screens mayh not be my style, but I acknowledge their overwhelming popularity, and their growing accessibility.

The dumbest antipiracy move ever was not developed by IBM, Microsoft, or a Webb developer, but by Sony, a company long noted for its consumer support. Some so-and-so thought placing rootkits on consumer CDs was a good idea--NOT! If that isn't malice aforethought, I'm a monkey's uncle. This is not that.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

if enough blind users complain.


On 1/6/2016 11:30 AM, Maria Campbell wrote:
The only way might be for the NFB to sue, as they did Target.


On 1/6/2016 10:23 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And suppose an online seller like Amazon does not offer an accessible
alternative to image captcha? Is Jeff Bezos going to be prosecuted?
Of course not. So major online sellers can simply disregard legal
agreements with almost total impunity and get away with it because
they are essentially weak and unenforceable.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:55 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Actually, I've read some legal agreements involving online sellers
that address the CAPTCHA issue and require an accessible alternative
in the event the company insists on retaining CAPTCHA. I wish I could
go into more detail, but the agreements with which I'm familiar are confidential.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the
blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best
interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online
sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted
alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is
dubious at best.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: judith bron
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human
by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed
up system but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers.
There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about
captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who
spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their
information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity.
We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort
money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an
image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone
sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my
status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If
they would create the captias so we could read them back character by
character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not
devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen,
once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example,
requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to
change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive
task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole
point.
They want something that requires subjective, human perception to
understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software
could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper
does with a voicemail message.

-Kane

























Re: Seeing your download

Kimber Gardner
 

I'd like to add my thanks since I never knew about the control J
command, and now I'm finding it very useful.

Kimber

On 1/7/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
Adrian, I think that's the key combo I was trying to find. I know I saw
something months back; thanks for the refresh.

Ted

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Seeing your download

Ted, am I missing something, or do you press control-j to open a window
showing download progress? This worked for me in IE11, as it has done in
earlier versions of IE. As an aside, Chrome makes this information all but
moot because it downloads even big files so incredibly fast.

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
[mailto:Ted.Lisle@ky.gov]<mailto:[mailto:Ted.Lisle@ky.gov]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:28 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Seeing your download

Pardon me for changing the thread here, but I've recently noticed something
since switching to 11, and I think I saw something about it on this list
earlier. I can no longer track the progress of my download on screen. Is
there a default to restore the older behavior? It might be right there on
the opening screen, and I didn't know to look for it.

Ted

From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

Good evening Mike!

I am sorry to have to pester you with this, but do you know of a similar
extension for Mozilla Firefox? Most unfortunately, there are still some
pages I have an easier time working with in Firefox, than in Chrome.

Take care,

Paul Jenkins

From: Mike B.
[mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]<mailto:[mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]>
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 16:55
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Fw: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

Howdy Y'all,

I finally found an extension that plays a sound when a download is complete.
Info is below:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/download-notifier/gdekiloeocnfnochnkldpkmllmfiaeke?hl=en

Extension

Download Notifier
offered by ehaagwlke
(83)
Category: Productivity
4,514 users
Added to Chrome
Share

OVERVIEW
OVERVIEW
REVIEWS
REVIEWS
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
RELATED
RELATED

Compatible with your device
You get a desktop notification while your downloading finished.
0.0.5
I get the time to make the 'play a sound when download finished' feature
configurable. And you also can decide whether the default download shelf
should
display or not (though I prefer NOT).

Another change is, there will be more than one notification card displayed.

All things now could be configured via options page.

**********
V0.0.4
Here comes three new things:
1. The "Open" button now can be used
2. While one download finished, it would play a sound (not configurable for
now)
3. The icon would be visible even if you are using a pure black theme

and one more thing (might be buggy):
- sometimes Chrome thought the file downloaded would be harmful, once this
happened, this extension will prompt to ask for your confirmation, and this
will be done on the chrome://downloads page. And, this feature might be
buggy, if
you encounter any problem, contact or email me. Thank you.

**********

This extension does two things:

1. Disabled the download shelf. Yes, I personally do not like it. So when I
get the change, I just disabled it. You will get a badge while something is
downloading. Sorry no progress bar available for now.

2. Display a desktop notification when your downloading finished, and you
could find it by one simple click.

TODO(May be implemented in future, may not):

1. An animated browser action icon which could show the downloading
progress

2. A "OPEN" button on the notification card -- depends on whether Google
would allow me to do so. [V0.0.4 added]

3. A popup shows all the downloads -- actually it was almost there, if there
had not been some annoying bugs.
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Mike

--
Kimberly


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Maria Campbell
 

The best cure for ignorance may be knowledge, but that only works if those ignorant aren't beyond reason. This is because you can not reason with the unreasonable. Sadly, there will always be those who will not listen or learn.

On 1/7/2016 1:27 PM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:
When you come down to it, this kind of problem is outside of most folks’
frame of reference—they don’t think of it, because they don’t experience
it. While I agree that you can always tell a bigot, but you can’t tell
him much, most don’t understand our problems only because they were
never explained; the best cure for ignorance is knowledge.

Ted

*From:*Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* jfw@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray,

You are entitled to your anger, which is justifiable, but
not to your assertion that Captchas value at thwarting hackers is
"dubious at best." They functioned (and function) brilliantly at
preventing machine-based attacks of all sorts. They were and are a
brilliant idea that had "the law of unintended consequences" attached.
They've also been modified with audio, at least genuine Captcha
captchas have, due to accessibility concerns.

Gerald's assertion is dubious, at best, as advocacy from
individuals and groups is precisely what has driven the changes that
have already occurred and continue to occur. When it comes down to it
the old adage, "It's not all about you," (and that's for the generic
you) applies here. Businesses and entities are only trying to protect
themselves and their assets, and, by extension, their clients. There is
no malicious intent and there is far more awareness, and responsiveness,
with regard to accessibility issues when those are identified.

There is no "one size fits all" solution to any problem, and
there is no utility in creating a completely permeable barrier when a
partial barrier is actually needed. Input from those negatively
affected is an incredibly valuable and necessary part of working through
some issues that really had not been anticipated.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Chrome has its own issues with JAWS, or the other way round.  FS does not recommend it, and it caused me some grief earlier.  Every advance since Windows 1.X has raised the specter of losing our hard-won autonomy, but it hasn’t happened yet.

 

Ted

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:08 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

 

Adrian,

          No, I wasn't missing that point at all.

          There are a lot of people who pay no attention at all to the technical press, and for good reason, so they don't even know that the writing is on the wall with regard to Internet Explorer.  I wasn't sure if you might be one of those people, and there are certainly readers here who might not know.  All I was trying to do was to spread the word that Internet Explorer really is a dead end now and that something else will rise to take its place with the companies doing screen reading software.  I've been praying for Firefox or Chrome to be "the next anointed one(s)."

Brian


Re: Seeing your download

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Adrian, I think that’s the key combo I was trying to find. I know I saw something months back; thanks for the refresh.

 

Ted

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Seeing your download

 

Ted, am I missing something, or do you press control-j to open a window showing download progress? This worked for me in IE11, as it has done in earlier versions of IE. As an aside, Chrome makes this information all but moot because it downloads even big files so incredibly fast.

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:28 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Seeing your download

 

Pardon me for changing the thread here, but I’ve recently noticed something since switching to 11, and I think I saw something about it on this list earlier.  I can no longer track the progress of my download on screen.  Is there a default to restore the older behavior?  It might be right there on the opening screen, and I didn’t know to look for it.

 

Ted

 

From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Good evening Mike!

 

  I am sorry to have to pester you with this, but do you know of a similar extension for Mozilla Firefox?  Most unfortunately, there are still some pages I have an easier time working with in Firefox, than in Chrome.

 

Take care,

 

Paul Jenkins

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 16:55
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Fw: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Howdy Y'all,

 

I finally found an extension that plays a sound when a download is complete.  Info is below:

 

Extension

 

Download Notifier
offered by ehaagwlke
(83)
Category: Productivity
4,514 users
Added to Chrome
Share

 

OVERVIEW
OVERVIEW
REVIEWS
REVIEWS
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
RELATED
RELATED

 

Compatible with your device
You get a desktop notification while your downloading finished.
0.0.5
I get the time to make the 'play a sound when download finished' feature configurable. And you also can decide whether the default download shelf should
display or not (though I prefer NOT).

 

Another change is, there will be more than one notification card displayed.

 

All things now could be configured via options page.

 

**********
V0.0.4
Here comes three new things:
1. The "Open" button now can be used
2. While one download finished, it would play a sound (not configurable for now)
3. The icon would be visible even if you are using a pure black theme

 

and one more thing (might be buggy):
- sometimes Chrome thought the file downloaded would be harmful, once this happened, this extension will prompt to ask for your confirmation, and this
will be done on the chrome://downloads page. And, this feature might be buggy, if
you encounter any problem, contact or email me. Thank you.

 

**********

 

This extension does two things:

 

1. Disabled the download shelf. Yes, I personally do not like it. So when I get the change, I just disabled it. You will get a badge while something is
downloading. Sorry no progress bar available for now.

 

2. Display a desktop notification when your downloading finished, and you could find it by one simple click.

 

TODO(May be implemented in future, may not):

 

1. An animated browser action icon which could show the downloading progress

 

2. A "OPEN" button on the notification card -- depends on whether Google would allow me to do so. [V0.0.4 added]

 

3. A popup shows all the downloads -- actually it was almost there, if there had not been some annoying bugs.
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Take care.
Mike