Gerald Levy wrote: "And do you know why the developers of Webvisum
abandoned it? Because they finally got sick and tired of trying to
keep up with Mozilla’s constant updates and changes to Firefox."

And if you're not prepared to keep up with the pace demanded in
today's programming world it is best that you abandon it. (That's one
of the reasons I did.)

All currently available major web browsers have almost continuous
release schedules. That's not going to change, either, so anyone who
wishes to remain a player on that field is either going to adapt or die.

Maria Campbell wrote: "I can also understand the challenge of FS trying to keep up with the never-ending changes in technology."

Oh no you can't, unless you've been in the trenches trying to do so.  But you can appreciate those challenges! ;-)

Brian, who as a former programmer can't even understand what this sort of pace must be like

P.S. Though I generally hate and avoid emoticons, I will occasionally use them like I did here.  Is that useful or appropriate for the audience?  I honestly have no idea how old-fashioned typed emoticons or their graphical replacements get treated by JAWS.

The only way might be for the NFB to sue, as they did Target.


On 1/6/2016 10:23 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And suppose an online seller like Amazon does not offer an accessible
alternative to image captcha? Is Jeff Bezos going to be prosecuted?
Of course not. So major online sellers can simply disregard legal
agreements with almost total impunity and get away with it because
they are essentially weak and unenforceable.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:55 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Actually, I've read some legal agreements involving online sellers
that address the CAPTCHA issue and require an accessible alternative
in the event the company insists on retaining CAPTCHA. I wish I could
go into more detail, but the agreements with which I'm familiar are confidential.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the
blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best
interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online
sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted
alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is
dubious at best.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: judith bron
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human
by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed
up system but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers.
There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about
captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who
spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their
information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity.
We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort
money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an
image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone
sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my
status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If
they would create the captias so we could read them back character by
character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not
devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen,
once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example,
requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to
change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive
task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole
point.
They want something that requires subjective, human perception to
understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software
could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper
does with a voicemail message.

-Kane

Adrian, I think that's the key combo I was trying to find. I know I saw
something months back; thanks for the refresh.

Ted

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Seeing your download

Ted, am I missing something, or do you press control-j to open a window
showing download progress? This worked for me in IE11, as it has done in
earlier versions of IE. As an aside, Chrome makes this information all but
moot because it downloads even big files so incredibly fast.

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
[mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]<mailto:[mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:28 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Seeing your download

Pardon me for changing the thread here, but I've recently noticed something
since switching to 11, and I think I saw something about it on this list
earlier. I can no longer track the progress of my download on screen. Is
there a default to restore the older behavior? It might be right there on
the opening screen, and I didn't know to look for it.

Ted

From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

Good evening Mike!

I am sorry to have to pester you with this, but do you know of a similar
extension for Mozilla Firefox? Most unfortunately, there are still some
pages I have an easier time working with in Firefox, than in Chrome.

Take care,

Paul Jenkins

From: Mike B.
[mailto:mb69mach1@...]<mailto:[mailto:mb69mach1@...]>
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 16:55
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Fw: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

Howdy Y'all,

I finally found an extension that plays a sound when a download is complete.
Info is below:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/download-notifier/gdekiloeocnfnochnkldpkmllmfiaeke?hl=en

Extension

Download Notifier
offered by ehaagwlke
(83)
Category: Productivity
4,514 users
Added to Chrome
Share

OVERVIEW
OVERVIEW
REVIEWS
REVIEWS
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
RELATED
RELATED

Compatible with your device
You get a desktop notification while your downloading finished.
0.0.5
I get the time to make the 'play a sound when download finished' feature
configurable. And you also can decide whether the default download shelf
should
display or not (though I prefer NOT).

Another change is, there will be more than one notification card displayed.

All things now could be configured via options page.

**********
V0.0.4
Here comes three new things:
1. The "Open" button now can be used
2. While one download finished, it would play a sound (not configurable for
now)
3. The icon would be visible even if you are using a pure black theme

and one more thing (might be buggy):
- sometimes Chrome thought the file downloaded would be harmful, once this
happened, this extension will prompt to ask for your confirmation, and this
will be done on the chrome://downloads page. And, this feature might be
buggy, if
you encounter any problem, contact or email me. Thank you.

**********

This extension does two things:

1. Disabled the download shelf. Yes, I personally do not like it. So when I
get the change, I just disabled it. You will get a badge while something is
downloading. Sorry no progress bar available for now.

2. Display a desktop notification when your downloading finished, and you
could find it by one simple click.

TODO(May be implemented in future, may not):

1. An animated browser action icon which could show the downloading
progress

2. A "OPEN" button on the notification card -- depends on whether Google
would allow me to do so. [V0.0.4 added]

3. A popup shows all the downloads -- actually it was almost there, if there
had not been some annoying bugs.
Report Abuse
Version: 0.0.5
Updated: June 21, 2015
Size: 1.73MiB
Languages: See all 2
Take care.
Mike

When you come down to it, this kind of problem is outside of most folks’
frame of reference—they don’t think of it, because they don’t experience
it. While I agree that you can always tell a bigot, but you can’t tell
him much, most don’t understand our problems only because they were
never explained; the best cure for ignorance is knowledge.

Ted

*From:*Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* jfw@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray,

You are entitled to your anger, which is justifiable, but
not to your assertion that Captchas value at thwarting hackers is
"dubious at best." They functioned (and function) brilliantly at
preventing machine-based attacks of all sorts. They were and are a
brilliant idea that had "the law of unintended consequences" attached.
They've also been modified with audio, at least genuine Captcha
captchas have, due to accessibility concerns.

Gerald's assertion is dubious, at best, as advocacy from
individuals and groups is precisely what has driven the changes that
have already occurred and continue to occur. When it comes down to it
the old adage, "It's not all about you," (and that's for the generic
you) applies here. Businesses and entities are only trying to protect
themselves and their assets, and, by extension, their clients. There is
no malicious intent and there is far more awareness, and responsiveness,
with regard to accessibility issues when those are identified.

There is no "one size fits all" solution to any problem, and
there is no utility in creating a completely permeable barrier when a
partial barrier is actually needed. Input from those negatively
affected is an incredibly valuable and necessary part of working through
some issues that really had not been anticipated.

Adrian,

          No, I wasn't missing that point at all.

          There are a lot of people who pay no attention at all to the technical press, and for good reason, so they don't even know that the writing is on the wall with regard to Internet Explorer.  I wasn't sure if you might be one of those people, and there are certainly readers here who might not know.  All I was trying to do was to spread the word that Internet Explorer really is a dead end now and that something else will rise to take its place with the companies doing screen reading software.  I've been praying for Firefox or Chrome to be "the next anointed one(s)."

Brian

Ted, am I missing something, or do you press control-j to open a window showing download progress? This worked for me in IE11, as it has done in earlier versions of IE. As an aside, Chrome makes this information all but moot because it downloads even big files so incredibly fast.

Pardon me for changing the thread here, but I’ve recently noticed something since switching to 11, and I think I saw something about it on this list earlier.  I can no longer track the progress of my download on screen.  Is there a default to restore the older behavior?  It might be right there on the opening screen, and I didn’t know to look for it.

Ted

Good evening Mike!

  I am sorry to have to pester you with this, but do you know of a similar extension for Mozilla Firefox?  Most unfortunately, there are still some pages I have an easier time working with in Firefox, than in Chrome.

Take care,

Paul Jenkins

Ted,

          That wouldn't work unless you did a Save As on the file, as "Date Created" literally sticks with a file and remains unchanged after the first save of that particular copy.  It's particularly interesting to see some of the "date weirdness" you can get when you copy files, as the copies have a Date Created stamp of the time of the copy but the Date Modified stamp is carried over from the file copied from.  It's odd to see a file that says it was modified at a date earlier than its date created.

           Also, the BulkFileChanger utility does allow you to tweak any of the date metadata.  However, since it was written by a European, and there is a desire to make certain that there is no ambiguity regarding what a date actually is, it requires the use of DD/MM/YYYY format for the dates.

Brian

Cindy Ray,

           You are entitled to your anger, which is justifiable, but not to your assertion that Captchas value at thwarting hackers is "dubious at best."  They functioned (and function) brilliantly at preventing machine-based attacks of all sorts.  They were and are a brilliant idea that had "the law of unintended consequences" attached.  They've also been modified with audio, at least genuine Captcha captchas have, due to accessibility concerns.

           Gerald's assertion is dubious, at best, as advocacy from individuals and groups is precisely what has driven the changes that have already occurred and continue to occur.  When it comes down to it the old adage, "It's not all about you," (and that's for the generic you) applies here.  Businesses and entities are only trying to protect themselves and their assets, and, by extension, their clients.  There is no malicious intent and there is far more awareness, and responsiveness, with regard to accessibility issues when those are identified.

           There is no "one size fits all" solution to any problem, and there is no utility in creating a completely permeable barrier when a partial barrier is actually needed.  Input from those negatively affected is an incredibly valuable and necessary part of working through some issues that really had not been anticipated.

i found this just now and thaught it might fix the wevism problem folks are having.
I recently installed Firefox 29, which added several new features to the popular browser.

These are mainly a combination of user interface-related goodies and stability improvements. For example, users can now enjoy redesigned tabs and the ability
to customize the front-end by adding more buttons and functions.

firefoxlogo

While these customization options are definitely welcomed, however, Firefox almost always seems to “break” or change something that didn’t need to be touched
in the first place.

Firefox 29 Issues

The latest Firefox 29 stops you from performing several, seemingly basic things that could frustrate those who are picky about their customization options.

Among these changes include the inability to move the Reload button from its default place or see the Status Bar the same way you used to.

The Reload button now sits to the right of the Address Bar, while the Status Bar only shows items when they are installed.

Additionally, it’s important to note that the so-called Status Bar is now called the Add-on Bar.

The issue with the latter (at least in my case) is the fact that some of my frequently-used add-ons are not yet compatible with the latest Firefox version
or its visual overhaul.

Initially, I thought the best way to restore Firefox to its former glory was to downgrade to a previous version. While this option technically works, it
is counter-intuitive.

Then I found a Firefox plugin (or add-on) called Classic Theme Restorer.

What Does Classic Theme Restorer Do?

The add-on performs a lot of the things that are shockingly unavailable in the latest Firefox update. For example, you can move the Reload button and restore
the old Status Bar (Add-on Bar) to the way it looked before. Additionally, you can place your tabs toward the very top of the browser or underneath the
Menu Bar.

Thankfully, all of my favorite features were working again when I installed Classic Theme Restorer. This includes plugins/add-ons that were no longer functioning
under the new user interface.

Note that the current Firefox version remains the same; the plugin merely restores its former visual settings.

How to Install Classic Theme Restorer

Click here
to download Classic Theme Restorer.

Click “Add to Firefox” followed by “Allow” from the subsequent pop-up menu.

theme-restorer-add

theme-restorer-install

Restart the browser when asked, and voila! You are all set with its installation.

How to Customize Firefox Options

Click the “Tools” menu from the Menu Bar, then click “Classic Theme Restorer.”

Customize any desired option as you see fit, including browser tab positioning and the inclusion of the classic Status Bar (again, now shown as the Add-on
bar.)

theme-restorer-tools-menu

As you can see, every option you modified works like a charm again – including the return of the classic Status Bar:

theme-restorer-customize-screen

How to Move Firefox Items

Simply click an empty area toward the top of the browser (such as the empty space next to the Menu Bar) and then click “Customize.” You will be greeted
with the following screen:

theme-restorer-dialog

Drag and drop any of the available items on the main screen to the top of your browser. Otherwise, drag and move any existing buttons at the top and drop
them anywhere you wish.

theme-restorer-customize-screen

I hope this helps anyone looking to move the Firefox Reload button, restore the classic Menu Bar and any other feature missing from this latest update.

~ Adrian

Carolyn,

          Then there's some JAWS setting that's not passing standard Windows keyboard shortcuts through to IE (and probably other Windows programs).

          ALT should always cause the menu bar to appear (if it's not already visible) for any Windows program that's got one, or throw focus on the ribbon for those programs that use it.

          The H then opens up the Help Menu in IE

          The A then brings up the "About Internet Explorer" dialog

This is an interesting development, as I've never seen this happen (or not happen, in this case), in Internet Explorer when JAWS is running.

Brian

 Hi Brian, I'm a bit late to this party, but here are my thoughts. I've found that with some clients, it's actually easier to teach them how to get out of forms mode than it is to teach them to remember to invoke it. I have had some students that no matter how much I drilled them, they simply couldn't remember to invoke forms mode when they needed it. Auto forms mode has saved me a lot of trouble over the years. I'm a firm believer in showing a person all the options and then letting them pick what they like. In most cases, I've found this to be the best.   

Brad,

           That is precisely what I was hoping to hear, and makes me very inclined to start encouraging my clients to turn off the auto feature for forms mode and use manual mode instead.   This seems so much cleaner and less error prone from my perspective.  Of course, ever man or woman to his or her own taste!

Brian

P.S. to the cohort:  I never mind when random readers jump in to answer a question when they see it first.  I just habitually address the question to the poster whose original post triggered it.

You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and the phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the other. Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need this regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.

Hi list members,

I’m currently searching for a customer service, medical transcription, or other home based position  but am not sure what extra equipment I might need to do these types of jobs from home.  Do I need special software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.?  I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.

Could somebody please share their current or past experience with home based employment?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Laura

Sounds as if going from 16 to 17, if 16 worked correctly, should be okay.  If I use the removal tool(I haven’t yet), I’ll be removing 15 only.

You can check in your device manager to see if the mirror display driver is installed.  If it is, I would remove it, and then run a JAWS repair.  This has resolved this issue for me in the past.  If it doesn’t, you may have to totally remove JAWS, and start from scratch.  Good luck!

In other words, you used a download, rather than the factory disk?  I want to follow this thread, as 17 may be in my immediate personal and professional future.

Did you by any chance run the Windows 10 tool from FS to remove older versions of Jaws? If so, then that could be what’s causing your issues. I did this thinking I’d upgrade my Windows 7 machine, but later decided against it. Running the Jaws 17 installer fixed it for me.

In other words, you used a download, rather than the factory disk?  I want to follow this thread, as 17 may be in my immediate personal and professional future.

Did you by any chance run the Windows 10 tool from FS to remove older versions of Jaws? If so, then that could be what’s causing your issues. I did this thinking I’d upgrade my Windows 7 machine, but later decided against it. Running the Jaws 17 installer fixed it for me.