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is there a program that converts video files to mp3 formats?

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, I’m trying to find a program that converts video files to mp3 format.  I’m trying to find this until I can buy the songs I want from amazon.


Re: MathML and PDF files

David Moore
 

Hi,
Thank you so very much. I will read this right now. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files
 

Keep looking. Here’s an example of a blind person who has made a career of mathematics:

https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm12/bm1207/bm120702.htm

 

From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Hi Brian,

I did all you suggest to get my BS in mathematics and my MA in mathematics education at The Ohio State University. However, when it came to finding employment, my interviewers would shut down as soon as they saw that I was blind. Having two degrees did not seem to matter to employers. They still saw me as a helpless person who would cost the company lots of money. It is hard to get through college as a blind person, but that was nothing for me compared to finding a job. I never did find a job teaching mathematics. I worked in a call center, but they closed down. Hardly any are accessible with JAWS. I tutor math on my own. I am about to start my own JAWS tutoring and math tutoring free help for fun. There are so many blind people out there who have never turned on a computer. I am far way blessed than they are. I will offer my services for nothing, because there is so much to do just to get the blind using a computer and then learning JAWS. You may want to pass this information to your students to get them ready for employment after they finish school. Actually, the more you have to do things on your own in college, the better off you will be on a job. There is no Office for Disabilities at IBM or large company. The Office for Disabilities helped me so much when it came to getting my course work in electric format and all of that, but when I began looking for a job, it was a different world. Most interviewers have never heard of the term “accessibility.” You have to explain that there is JAWS, but you sure cannot use that word. I had to say something like there is software that will make your computer talk. Just saying that made most interviewers sigh and say, “Oh My!!!” The first question I got was, “How can you teach math being blind when you cannot see it yourself?” I just have to say that getting through college was a breeze compared to sitting before an interviewer when trying to find a job. Take care, Brian. I would love to do what you are doing. Have a great one.

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

That point about the time frame was well taken.  I took my terminal Degree in May, 1982, when the IBM pc was a new product, and before TI taught PC’s how to talk.  I remember I had 4 written exams in the fall of 1978, before I could spend full-time working on my dissertation.  Each student had 24 hours to complete his exam, my chair gave me 48, as it had to be done twice.  What I wouldn’t have given for my first XT back then.  I was lucky UK understood.

 

Ted

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Pablo,

         The sad fact is, and I don't say this to be nasty or dismissive but to introduce a reality check, that even with the advances that have been made in accessibility, and there have been many just over the last decade, the world is designed for "the typical" and those with significant disabilities are not "the typical."  This is one of the reasons I try to teach my clients (two of which are, at this time, graduate students) to learn to be their own advocates.  I do not know of a single college student who does not, with pretty much frequency, need to have a sighted reader, particularly for older print material or, as you've found, niche material like mathematical books, etc.  If colleges accept students with disabilities they are expected to provide reasonable accommodations, but very often they have absolutely no idea what that entails.  I have to say that this is not necessarily their fault, either, because students with disabilities are a micro niche and even the disabilities coordinators may be encountering someone with "disability X" or "disability Y" for the first time, ever, and have no idea of what's what.  It is absolutely impossible for any disabilities coordinator to have in-depth knowledge of every disability, or combination of disabilities, they might encounter.  A lot of thinking on one's feet is involved and, very often, taking input from the client as to what they've needed in the past in similar settings.  It's an uphill battle for all involved, including a lot of people who genuinely want to help you.

          If you actually know what you need, and in a situation like this is will probably be a reader, then push to get one.  Once you're in school you will find that "time is of the essence" will take on some real, new meaning even if you are given time accommodations for specific assignments.  You are going to have to figure out what you will require to meet those deadlines and, if it's not already in place, start rattling cages to get it into place as promptly as possible.

          If there is a state department for the blind and visually impaired in your state you would be wise to link up with them for assistance and advocacy.  Even then, you'll still have to sometimes push for what you need.

          I am not trying to be discouraging at all.  You can be a college student and be blind, but your college experience will, by definition, be very different than that of most students and you will need to be thinking about what you need all the time, and trying to anticipate what you might need as your courses change.

          One of the things that's driven me crazy as a JAWS tutor for students is the introduction of web-based course management systems.  These things are great if you can see, and can instantly tell what out of the myriad features your given professor may or may not be using for a given course, but if you can't we know how JAWS reads every blessed thing on a screen, and lots of these screens are chock full of links that aren't used, but remain there as place holders.  I have tried to encourage several local institutions to set up either "sandbox" versions of these systems with fake courses loaded so that those who have to access them with screen readers can have practice, and lots of it, prior to actually needing to use these systems for actual courses (or setting up fake courses in their real systems that they can enroll you in for practice).  The electronic course management system could be an entire semester's class alone, and no one should be trying to learn how to use it while also trying to learn the actual material for a course.

           You can do this, but you will, unquestionably, be working harder to get it done in ways that no one who is not in your situation will ever understand entirely, myself included.

Brian


Re: MathML and PDF files

Adrian Spratt
 

Keep looking. Here’s an example of a blind person who has made a career of mathematics:

https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm12/bm1207/bm120702.htm

 

From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Hi Brian,

I did all you suggest to get my BS in mathematics and my MA in mathematics education at The Ohio State University. However, when it came to finding employment, my interviewers would shut down as soon as they saw that I was blind. Having two degrees did not seem to matter to employers. They still saw me as a helpless person who would cost the company lots of money. It is hard to get through college as a blind person, but that was nothing for me compared to finding a job. I never did find a job teaching mathematics. I worked in a call center, but they closed down. Hardly any are accessible with JAWS. I tutor math on my own. I am about to start my own JAWS tutoring and math tutoring free help for fun. There are so many blind people out there who have never turned on a computer. I am far way blessed than they are. I will offer my services for nothing, because there is so much to do just to get the blind using a computer and then learning JAWS. You may want to pass this information to your students to get them ready for employment after they finish school. Actually, the more you have to do things on your own in college, the better off you will be on a job. There is no Office for Disabilities at IBM or large company. The Office for Disabilities helped me so much when it came to getting my course work in electric format and all of that, but when I began looking for a job, it was a different world. Most interviewers have never heard of the term “accessibility.” You have to explain that there is JAWS, but you sure cannot use that word. I had to say something like there is software that will make your computer talk. Just saying that made most interviewers sigh and say, “Oh My!!!” The first question I got was, “How can you teach math being blind when you cannot see it yourself?” I just have to say that getting through college was a breeze compared to sitting before an interviewer when trying to find a job. Take care, Brian. I would love to do what you are doing. Have a great one.

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

That point about the time frame was well taken.  I took my terminal Degree in May, 1982, when the IBM pc was a new product, and before TI taught PC’s how to talk.  I remember I had 4 written exams in the fall of 1978, before I could spend full-time working on my dissertation.  Each student had 24 hours to complete his exam, my chair gave me 48, as it had to be done twice.  What I wouldn’t have given for my first XT back then.  I was lucky UK understood.

 

Ted

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Pablo,

         The sad fact is, and I don't say this to be nasty or dismissive but to introduce a reality check, that even with the advances that have been made in accessibility, and there have been many just over the last decade, the world is designed for "the typical" and those with significant disabilities are not "the typical."  This is one of the reasons I try to teach my clients (two of which are, at this time, graduate students) to learn to be their own advocates.  I do not know of a single college student who does not, with pretty much frequency, need to have a sighted reader, particularly for older print material or, as you've found, niche material like mathematical books, etc.  If colleges accept students with disabilities they are expected to provide reasonable accommodations, but very often they have absolutely no idea what that entails.  I have to say that this is not necessarily their fault, either, because students with disabilities are a micro niche and even the disabilities coordinators may be encountering someone with "disability X" or "disability Y" for the first time, ever, and have no idea of what's what.  It is absolutely impossible for any disabilities coordinator to have in-depth knowledge of every disability, or combination of disabilities, they might encounter.  A lot of thinking on one's feet is involved and, very often, taking input from the client as to what they've needed in the past in similar settings.  It's an uphill battle for all involved, including a lot of people who genuinely want to help you.

          If you actually know what you need, and in a situation like this is will probably be a reader, then push to get one.  Once you're in school you will find that "time is of the essence" will take on some real, new meaning even if you are given time accommodations for specific assignments.  You are going to have to figure out what you will require to meet those deadlines and, if it's not already in place, start rattling cages to get it into place as promptly as possible.

          If there is a state department for the blind and visually impaired in your state you would be wise to link up with them for assistance and advocacy.  Even then, you'll still have to sometimes push for what you need.

          I am not trying to be discouraging at all.  You can be a college student and be blind, but your college experience will, by definition, be very different than that of most students and you will need to be thinking about what you need all the time, and trying to anticipate what you might need as your courses change.

          One of the things that's driven me crazy as a JAWS tutor for students is the introduction of web-based course management systems.  These things are great if you can see, and can instantly tell what out of the myriad features your given professor may or may not be using for a given course, but if you can't we know how JAWS reads every blessed thing on a screen, and lots of these screens are chock full of links that aren't used, but remain there as place holders.  I have tried to encourage several local institutions to set up either "sandbox" versions of these systems with fake courses loaded so that those who have to access them with screen readers can have practice, and lots of it, prior to actually needing to use these systems for actual courses (or setting up fake courses in their real systems that they can enroll you in for practice).  The electronic course management system could be an entire semester's class alone, and no one should be trying to learn how to use it while also trying to learn the actual material for a course.

           You can do this, but you will, unquestionably, be working harder to get it done in ways that no one who is not in your situation will ever understand entirely, myself included.

Brian


Re: JAWS really acting badly

Dave...
 

Walt,
 
You are experiencing exactly the same things I have for quite a long while...
 
I have JAWS 17 latest build and a Windows 7 32-bit machine.
 
JAWS 17 does stop itself and reloads at times, usually when the underlying program is not responding. Remember those "xxx (not responding) messages we used to get? Well, no more, now that JAWS 17 just decides on its own to unload and reload. I got very tired of that behavior and have modified one of my JAWS scripts to turn off that behavior. This was suggested by FS and they should by now have a Technical Bulletin on this posted to their site.
 
I don't get a double copy of JAWS, however -- that is a strange one.
 
Adobe Acrobat is not a happy camper with JAWS, in general. I can make Adobe Acrobat lock up JAWS and itself by simply trying to use forms mode to fill out a form. What actually happens, when I have enough patience to observe, is that everything has slowed down to Valium mode. If we wait long enough (let's say, 15 to 30 minutes) JAWS will again pop up to alert that something has gone wrong and you can exit Adobe Acrobat. I don't bother waiting, and even NVDA is not always going to help. I just hit the power button on the PC and wait for a reboot. It is much faster than any other recovery I've tried. I alerted FS to this naughty behavior of Adobe Acrobat and JAWS  when using forms mode, but nothing has resulted yet. So I just never try to fill in forms using Adobe Acrobat.
 
As to Outlook reloading after shutting down, it happens to me 3 out of 4 times. I have Outlook 2003 on a Windows 7 32-bit machine. It has done this since way back in JAWS 12 or so. I just shrug my shoulders, or kick something and just let Outlook reload and then shut it down again.
 
Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: Walt Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 01:23 PM
Subject: JAWS really acting badly

Pardon if this has already been discussed, but I'm new to this list as of today. When I say JAWS, what I'm about to describe is happening with both JAWS 16 and 17, both with all current updates, on a Windows 7 tower with all Microsoft updates applied.
 
First, JAWS periodically and for no apparent reason simply unloads and (usually) reloads itself. I'll be doing something like opening a web site in IE 11 and JAWS just goes silent. After a period that can range from maybe thirty seconds to more than a minute, I'll hear the "JAWS Home Use Edition" message indicating that JAWS is loading again and when this takes place, I can then usually see two entries for JAWS in my System Tray (I've run JAWS from the SysTray for years). Sometimes, though, JAWS simply dies and remains dead and nothing I do, including pressing the hot key combinations that I've set up to load both versions of JAWS will reload the program and I'm totally dead in the water, since even Narrator won't load -- I suspect because of extremely high memory use. This last scenario happened to me just this morning when I was loading a scanned image into the new version of Adobe Acrobat and after I had my sighted wife come in and help me kill Acrobat, JAWS returned *without* reloading as described above.
 
Another issue; and this, I seem to remember, is an oldie; is that when I close Outlook, it frequently doesn't unload and it restarts. I'm currently using Office 2003 with all current MS updates and I know I should upgrade to something more recent because despite the fact that FS continues to supply scripts for this old Office version, whenever I try to report this problem, I'm told bluntly that Office 2003 is no longer supported. Seems that if this is the case, no scripts to use with this version should be supplied any more. Anyhow, I have a very faint recollection that this issue of Outlook failing to shut down when Alt+F4 is pressed goes back several years, but I'm wondering if anyone's seeing this. The ultimate symptom of this failure of Outlook to shut down is that while it doesn't show in the Task Bar, if I open Task Manager and tab over to Processes, it's still running.
 
Much as the thought distresses me, I'm about to the point of making the best backup I can and then reformatting my C-drive and reinstalling Windows 7 in hopes that this may at least help out with the issue of JAWS automatically unloading and reloading itself. When I look at processes running in Task Manager, there are a couple of generic things that are using quite a lot of memory (when I say "generic," I'm referring to processes labeled only svchost.exe for which I can't get further details).
 
If anyone has any wisdom to share on any of this, I'd appreciate feedback as I'm about at my wits' end. Thanks in advance.
 
--
Walt Smith - Clearwater, FL
 


Re: Inaccessibility of virus protection

judith bron
 

I have AVG and it has kept me pretty safe. Being blind is tough but I've seen a lot of folks confronted by a lot worse.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:22 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Inaccessibility of virus protection

Another area of great frustration is the inaccessibility of most virus protection programs. Even when one version is accessible, the next version turns out not to be so.
Hey, you all, ain't it a bitch to be blind!


--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: IE 11 with Jaws 17

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Michael,
 
It’s off, but I have no idea if I turned that off or not. So many updates here recently. I resorted to sighted help on this one. Things seem to be ok on other sites, so I’ll just chalk this one up to chance. lol
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: IE 11 with Jaws 17
 

I wonder if you have the new smart navigation feature on.  That has been introduced in JAWS 17, and it makes navigating pages different.  You may want to check and see if it is turned on, and if so, disable it for the page you’re referring to.  You can do this by pressing JAWS Key plus V, and then searching for smart navigation.  Good luck!

 

 

From: Jean Menzies [mailto:jemenzies@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 6:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: IE 11 with Jaws 17

 

I just upgraded to Windows 10, but I don’t think that’s the issue here. Using Jaws 17 and IE in Windows 10. When I go to a site like the Manage my apple ID page, I am finding it virtually impossible to navigate outside of edit fields. I can’t explain exactly what’s happening, but it’s like I can only read parts of the page, and old arrowing options aren’t working. One thing I remember is that in a combo edit field, the arrow keys actually are inserting numbers. Just strange behaviour all around.

 

IE 11 isn’t new. Jaws 17 is quite new for me, and Windows 10 is brand new. Any ideas what might be going on here?

 

Jean


Re: MathML and PDF files

David Moore
 

Hi Brian,
I did all you suggest to get my BS in mathematics and my MA in mathematics education at The Ohio State University. However, when it came to finding employment, my interviewers would shut down as soon as they saw that I was blind. Having two degrees did not seem to matter to employers. They still saw me as a helpless person who would cost the company lots of money. It is hard to get through college as a blind person, but that was nothing for me compared to finding a job. I never did find a job teaching mathematics. I worked in a call center, but they closed down. Hardly any are accessible with JAWS. I tutor math on my own. I am about to start my own JAWS tutoring and math tutoring free help for fun. There are so many blind people out there who have never turned on a computer. I am far way blessed than they are. I will offer my services for nothing, because there is so much to do just to get the blind using a computer and then learning JAWS. You may want to pass this information to your students to get them ready for employment after they finish school. Actually, the more you have to do things on your own in college, the better off you will be on a job. There is no Office for Disabilities at IBM or large company. The Office for Disabilities helped me so much when it came to getting my course work in electric format and all of that, but when I began looking for a job, it was a different world. Most interviewers have never heard of the term “accessibility.” You have to explain that there is JAWS, but you sure cannot use that word. I had to say something like there is software that will make your computer talk. Just saying that made most interviewers sigh and say, “Oh My!!!” The first question I got was, “How can you teach math being blind when you cannot see it yourself?” I just have to say that getting through college was a breeze compared to sitting before an interviewer when trying to find a job. Take care, Brian. I would love to do what you are doing. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files
 

That point about the time frame was well taken.  I took my terminal Degree in May, 1982, when the IBM pc was a new product, and before TI taught PC’s how to talk.  I remember I had 4 written exams in the fall of 1978, before I could spend full-time working on my dissertation.  Each student had 24 hours to complete his exam, my chair gave me 48, as it had to be done twice.  What I wouldn’t have given for my first XT back then.  I was lucky UK understood.

 

Ted

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Pablo,

         The sad fact is, and I don't say this to be nasty or dismissive but to introduce a reality check, that even with the advances that have been made in accessibility, and there have been many just over the last decade, the world is designed for "the typical" and those with significant disabilities are not "the typical."  This is one of the reasons I try to teach my clients (two of which are, at this time, graduate students) to learn to be their own advocates.  I do not know of a single college student who does not, with pretty much frequency, need to have a sighted reader, particularly for older print material or, as you've found, niche material like mathematical books, etc.  If colleges accept students with disabilities they are expected to provide reasonable accommodations, but very often they have absolutely no idea what that entails.  I have to say that this is not necessarily their fault, either, because students with disabilities are a micro niche and even the disabilities coordinators may be encountering someone with "disability X" or "disability Y" for the first time, ever, and have no idea of what's what.  It is absolutely impossible for any disabilities coordinator to have in-depth knowledge of every disability, or combination of disabilities, they might encounter.  A lot of thinking on one's feet is involved and, very often, taking input from the client as to what they've needed in the past in similar settings.  It's an uphill battle for all involved, including a lot of people who genuinely want to help you.

          If you actually know what you need, and in a situation like this is will probably be a reader, then push to get one.  Once you're in school you will find that "time is of the essence" will take on some real, new meaning even if you are given time accommodations for specific assignments.  You are going to have to figure out what you will require to meet those deadlines and, if it's not already in place, start rattling cages to get it into place as promptly as possible.

          If there is a state department for the blind and visually impaired in your state you would be wise to link up with them for assistance and advocacy.  Even then, you'll still have to sometimes push for what you need.

          I am not trying to be discouraging at all.  You can be a college student and be blind, but your college experience will, by definition, be very different than that of most students and you will need to be thinking about what you need all the time, and trying to anticipate what you might need as your courses change.

          One of the things that's driven me crazy as a JAWS tutor for students is the introduction of web-based course management systems.  These things are great if you can see, and can instantly tell what out of the myriad features your given professor may or may not be using for a given course, but if you can't we know how JAWS reads every blessed thing on a screen, and lots of these screens are chock full of links that aren't used, but remain there as place holders.  I have tried to encourage several local institutions to set up either "sandbox" versions of these systems with fake courses loaded so that those who have to access them with screen readers can have practice, and lots of it, prior to actually needing to use these systems for actual courses (or setting up fake courses in their real systems that they can enroll you in for practice).  The electronic course management system could be an entire semester's class alone, and no one should be trying to learn how to use it while also trying to learn the actual material for a course.

           You can do this, but you will, unquestionably, be working harder to get it done in ways that no one who is not in your situation will ever understand entirely, myself included.

Brian


Re: Jaws with Learning Ally Link

Adrian Spratt
 

A shortcut to the cache-clearing dialog is control-shift-delete.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 4:39 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws with Learning Ally Link

 

Elise,

           I have a client who uses Learning Ally but it's been a while since I was working with her on that page directly.  The suggestion that follows, though, is not specific to the webpage in question.

           Have you ever cleared cache in the web browser you're using?  There can be lots of weird behaviors that suddenly crop up if browser cache becomes corrupted.  If you have not, a web search on the name of the browser you're using, e.g., IE11, and the phrase "clear cache" should turn up any number of step-by-step guides to this task.

           I would try clearing cache and see if the problem mysteriously disappears.  If not, it's on to the next step(s).

Brian


Re: JAWS really acting badly

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi, Walt.

 

An incomplete response, but two points:

 

First, the best way to get JAWS right again is to press insert-Windows key-F4. JAWS will close, but return in a few seconds. I realize this doesn’t solve your underlying problem, but it might reduce frustration.

 

Second, a quick Google search produced the following page with useful information on svchost.exe:

 

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/what-is-svchostexe-and-why-is-it-running/

 

Your suspicion that this program is responsible for a lot of CPU usage seems justified.

 

From: Walt Smith [mailto:ka3lists@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 4:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS really acting badly

 

Pardon if this has already been discussed, but I'm new to this list as of today. When I say JAWS, what I'm about to describe is happening with both JAWS 16 and 17, both with all current updates, on a Windows 7 tower with all Microsoft updates applied.

 

First, JAWS periodically and for no apparent reason simply unloads and (usually) reloads itself. I'll be doing something like opening a web site in IE 11 and JAWS just goes silent. After a period that can range from maybe thirty seconds to more than a minute, I'll hear the "JAWS Home Use Edition" message indicating that JAWS is loading again and when this takes place, I can then usually see two entries for JAWS in my System Tray (I've run JAWS from the SysTray for years). Sometimes, though, JAWS simply dies and remains dead and nothing I do, including pressing the hot key combinations that I've set up to load both versions of JAWS will reload the program and I'm totally dead in the water, since even Narrator won't load -- I suspect because of extremely high memory use. This last scenario happened to me just this morning when I was loading a scanned image into the new version of Adobe Acrobat and after I had my sighted wife come in and help me kill Acrobat, JAWS returned *without* reloading as described above.

 

Another issue; and this, I seem to remember, is an oldie; is that when I close Outlook, it frequently doesn't unload and it restarts. I'm currently using Office 2003 with all current MS updates and I know I should upgrade to something more recent because despite the fact that FS continues to supply scripts for this old Office version, whenever I try to report this problem, I'm told bluntly that Office 2003 is no longer supported. Seems that if this is the case, no scripts to use with this version should be supplied any more. Anyhow, I have a very faint recollection that this issue of Outlook failing to shut down when Alt+F4 is pressed goes back several years, but I'm wondering if anyone's seeing this. The ultimate symptom of this failure of Outlook to shut down is that while it doesn't show in the Task Bar, if I open Task Manager and tab over to Processes, it's still running.

 

Much as the thought distresses me, I'm about to the point of making the best backup I can and then reformatting my C-drive and reinstalling Windows 7 in hopes that this may at least help out with the issue of JAWS automatically unloading and reloading itself. When I look at processes running in Task Manager, there are a couple of generic things that are using quite a lot of memory (when I say "generic," I'm referring to processes labeled only svchost.exe for which I can't get further details).

 

If anyone has any wisdom to share on any of this, I'd appreciate feedback as I'm about at my wits' end. Thanks in advance.

 

--

Walt Smith - Clearwater, FL

ka3agm@...

 


Re: Jaws with Learning Ally Link

 

Elise,

           I have a client who uses Learning Ally but it's been a while since I was working with her on that page directly.  The suggestion that follows, though, is not specific to the webpage in question.

           Have you ever cleared cache in the web browser you're using?  There can be lots of weird behaviors that suddenly crop up if browser cache becomes corrupted.  If you have not, a web search on the name of the browser you're using, e.g., IE11, and the phrase "clear cache" should turn up any number of step-by-step guides to this task.

           I would try clearing cache and see if the problem mysteriously disappears.  If not, it's on to the next step(s).

Brian


Re: Seeing your download

David Moore
 

Hi Ted,
In IE 11, press ctrl J and all of your downloads will be stored there, and you can keep track of the current download, the percentage and so forth. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 10:27 AM
Subject: Seeing your download
 

Pardon me for changing the thread here, but I’ve recently noticed something since switching to 11, and I think I saw something about it on this list earlier.  I can no longer track the progress of my download on screen.  Is there a default to restore the older behavior?  It might be right there on the opening screen, and I didn’t know to look for it.

 

Ted

 

From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Good evening Mike!

 

  I am sorry to have to pester you with this, but do you know of a similar extension for Mozilla Firefox?  Most unfortunately, there are still some pages I have an easier time working with in Firefox, than in Chrome.

 

Take care,

 

Paul Jenkins

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 16:55
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Fw: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Howdy Y'all,

 

I finally found an extension that plays a sound when a download is complete.  Info is below:

 

Extension

 

Download Notifier
offered by ehaagwlke
(83)
Category: Productivity
4,514 users
Added to Chrome
Share

 

OVERVIEW
OVERVIEW
REVIEWS
REVIEWS
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
RELATED
RELATED

 

Compatible with your device
You get a desktop notification while your downloading finished.
0.0.5
I get the time to make the 'play a sound when download finished' feature configurable. And you also can decide whether the default download shelf should
display or not (though I prefer NOT).

 

Another change is, there will be more than one notification card displayed.

 

All things now could be configured via options page.

 

**********
V0.0.4
Here comes three new things:
1. The "Open" button now can be used
2. While one download finished, it would play a sound (not configurable for now)
3. The icon would be visible even if you are using a pure black theme

 

and one more thing (might be buggy):
- sometimes Chrome thought the file downloaded would be harmful, once this happened, this extension will prompt to ask for your confirmation, and this
will be done on the chrome://downloads page. And, this feature might be buggy, if
you encounter any problem, contact or email me. Thank you.

 

**********

 

This extension does two things:

 

1. Disabled the download shelf. Yes, I personally do not like it. So when I get the change, I just disabled it. You will get a badge while something is
downloading. Sorry no progress bar available for now.

 

2. Display a desktop notification when your downloading finished, and you could find it by one simple click.

 

TODO(May be implemented in future, may not):

 

1. An animated browser action icon which could show the downloading progress

 

2. A "OPEN" button on the notification card -- depends on whether Google would allow me to do so. [V0.0.4 added]

 

3. A popup shows all the downloads -- actually it was almost there, if there had not been some annoying bugs.
Report Abuse
Version: 0.0.5
Updated: June 21, 2015
Size: 1.73MiB
Languages: See all 2

Take care.
Mike


Re: JAWS really acting badly

Cristóbal
 

The crashing thing I remember happening a lot with V 15 and especially JFW 16, but surprisingly enough, V17 for me has so far proven itself to be quite stable. Both on a Win 7 laptop and Win 8.1 now Win 10 tower. In fact, I can’t recall the last time Jaws crashed on me with the latest V17 update.

 

From: Walt Smith [mailto:ka3lists@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS really acting badly

 

Pardon if this has already been discussed, but I'm new to this list as of today. When I say JAWS, what I'm about to describe is happening with both JAWS 16 and 17, both with all current updates, on a Windows 7 tower with all Microsoft updates applied.

 

First, JAWS periodically and for no apparent reason simply unloads and (usually) reloads itself. I'll be doing something like opening a web site in IE 11 and JAWS just goes silent. After a period that can range from maybe thirty seconds to more than a minute, I'll hear the "JAWS Home Use Edition" message indicating that JAWS is loading again and when this takes place, I can then usually see two entries for JAWS in my System Tray (I've run JAWS from the SysTray for years). Sometimes, though, JAWS simply dies and remains dead and nothing I do, including pressing the hot key combinations that I've set up to load both versions of JAWS will reload the program and I'm totally dead in the water, since even Narrator won't load -- I suspect because of extremely high memory use. This last scenario happened to me just this morning when I was loading a scanned image into the new version of Adobe Acrobat and after I had my sighted wife come in and help me kill Acrobat, JAWS returned *without* reloading as described above.

 

Another issue; and this, I seem to remember, is an oldie; is that when I close Outlook, it frequently doesn't unload and it restarts. I'm currently using Office 2003 with all current MS updates and I know I should upgrade to something more recent because despite the fact that FS continues to supply scripts for this old Office version, whenever I try to report this problem, I'm told bluntly that Office 2003 is no longer supported. Seems that if this is the case, no scripts to use with this version should be supplied any more. Anyhow, I have a very faint recollection that this issue of Outlook failing to shut down when Alt+F4 is pressed goes back several years, but I'm wondering if anyone's seeing this. The ultimate symptom of this failure of Outlook to shut down is that while it doesn't show in the Task Bar, if I open Task Manager and tab over to Processes, it's still running.

 

Much as the thought distresses me, I'm about to the point of making the best backup I can and then reformatting my C-drive and reinstalling Windows 7 in hopes that this may at least help out with the issue of JAWS automatically unloading and reloading itself. When I look at processes running in Task Manager, there are a couple of generic things that are using quite a lot of memory (when I say "generic," I'm referring to processes labeled only svchost.exe for which I can't get further details).

 

If anyone has any wisdom to share on any of this, I'd appreciate feedback as I'm about at my wits' end. Thanks in advance.

 

--

Walt Smith - Clearwater, FL

ka3agm@...

 


Jaws with Learning Ally Link

Elise Berkley
 

Hey, all. Is anyone familiar with Learning Ally Link? It is an application that works with Learning Ally to download books to read in audio format. I am having trouble accessing the app homepage. I have to tab a number of times and hit the pc cursor button until, I guess, it connects and then it will read the page. Does anyone ave any suggestions that I can try so I will not hope I can use this. It has my textbooks for next semester.
Elise


Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

David Moore
 

Hi Brian,
If you have forms mode on manual, JAWS will still say edit when you press E. I even tried semi automatic forms mode, but when you bring up a page, JAWS lands right into an edit field. So, to stop this is to have JAWS set to manual forms mode where you have to press enter to type into the edit box. I know what you mean. It is better just to set JAWS to manual forms mode. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?
 

Don’t sweat it.  Half the time I call a folder a directory.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 9:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

 

Adrian,

        Your comment about "false enhancement" rings true, at least in a way, even to me.  I can't tell you how many times I've had a client land in an edit field, where that's not where I want (or they want) to be and I've succumbed to saying something along the lines of, "We're looking for a button, so hit 'B' and that will take you to the first button on the screen."  Unfortunately, when you're in auto forms mode, of course it doesn't do that and interprets the 'B' as you typing the letter B. 

         Am I correct in my assumption that if the auto feature is turned off, you will still get the announcement that you are indeed in an edit field (or what have you), but you must hit a single Enter, which switches you in to forms mode and that all typed characters after that will be entered into the edit field, which you then have to hit Num Pad Plus to shift out of forms mode and back to navigation mode?  Gads, but that's a long-winded question that I don't quite know how to rephrase!!

      As an unrelated aside, oldster that I am I still sometimes refer to enter as  return, and I warn my clients that if they hear me say return I mean enter.  I guess for anyone who ever used an electric typewriter this definitely makes sense.   Thank heavens my really old computer geek doesn't come out where I would say CR LF, which is short for carriage return line feed!

Brian


JAWS really acting badly

Walt Smith
 

Pardon if this has already been discussed, but I'm new to this list as of today. When I say JAWS, what I'm about to describe is happening with both JAWS 16 and 17, both with all current updates, on a Windows 7 tower with all Microsoft updates applied.
 
First, JAWS periodically and for no apparent reason simply unloads and (usually) reloads itself. I'll be doing something like opening a web site in IE 11 and JAWS just goes silent. After a period that can range from maybe thirty seconds to more than a minute, I'll hear the "JAWS Home Use Edition" message indicating that JAWS is loading again and when this takes place, I can then usually see two entries for JAWS in my System Tray (I've run JAWS from the SysTray for years). Sometimes, though, JAWS simply dies and remains dead and nothing I do, including pressing the hot key combinations that I've set up to load both versions of JAWS will reload the program and I'm totally dead in the water, since even Narrator won't load -- I suspect because of extremely high memory use. This last scenario happened to me just this morning when I was loading a scanned image into the new version of Adobe Acrobat and after I had my sighted wife come in and help me kill Acrobat, JAWS returned *without* reloading as described above.
 
Another issue; and this, I seem to remember, is an oldie; is that when I close Outlook, it frequently doesn't unload and it restarts. I'm currently using Office 2003 with all current MS updates and I know I should upgrade to something more recent because despite the fact that FS continues to supply scripts for this old Office version, whenever I try to report this problem, I'm told bluntly that Office 2003 is no longer supported. Seems that if this is the case, no scripts to use with this version should be supplied any more. Anyhow, I have a very faint recollection that this issue of Outlook failing to shut down when Alt+F4 is pressed goes back several years, but I'm wondering if anyone's seeing this. The ultimate symptom of this failure of Outlook to shut down is that while it doesn't show in the Task Bar, if I open Task Manager and tab over to Processes, it's still running.
 
Much as the thought distresses me, I'm about to the point of making the best backup I can and then reformatting my C-drive and reinstalling Windows 7 in hopes that this may at least help out with the issue of JAWS automatically unloading and reloading itself. When I look at processes running in Task Manager, there are a couple of generic things that are using quite a lot of memory (when I say "generic," I'm referring to processes labeled only svchost.exe for which I can't get further details).
 
If anyone has any wisdom to share on any of this, I'd appreciate feedback as I'm about at my wits' end. Thanks in advance.
 
--
Walt Smith - Clearwater, FL
 


Re: Amazon's at it again!

Melissa Stott <mstott69@...>
 

I do all of my shopping on the Amazon app on my iPhone too. I find it much easier these days.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimber Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 2:30 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Amazon's at it again!

I do almost all my amazon shopping with the app on my iPhone these
days. It works much better for me than the web site ever did, or at
least since the very early days of amazon when they sold mostly books
and music.

Kimber

On 1/6/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Great PR! Makes you want to go right out and buy something, doesn’t it. I
was thinking of calling them, using the customer service number listed in an
earlier message, but I get enough of that foolishness from the people to
whom I’m paid to talk; I don’t need to go looking for it.
Ted

From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Amazon's at it again!

One thing I find annoying is how Amazon's accessibility website no longer
has a combo box for a dropdown menu that lists all the departments from
which you can search for what you're looking for. Even worse, is that the
search field doesn't appear on the homepage of the Accessibility site. I've
talked to someone over the phone in Customer Service, a couple people
actually, and both of them, with English spoken in heavy accents, told me
that they think I'm lying and that it works just fine. What's going on with
that, I wonder?

________________________________
From: Melissa Stott [mailto:mstott69@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 4:08 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Amazon's at it again!
That is very annoying. It even ask you to enter that on their mobile link.
There's not even a link to click on audio.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2015, at 6:14 PM, James Bentley
<bentleyj1952@...<mailto:bentleyj1952@...>> wrote:
I wonder why Amazon doesn’t use one or more secret questions to verify their
customers. My bank and credit card companies use secret questions and so
far have never presented me with a capsha.

However, I took the advice of another list member and was able to close my
browser and go back in and click on the accesibility link and get signed in
to my Amazon account.

Thanks for all of the different post offering help.

James Bentley


Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 4:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Amazon's at it again!

I wonder if it is some kind of antifraud system that only some people end up
triggering? I've found forums online where people have claimed that online
shops randomly deny their order for no apparent good reason that are false
triggerings of such technology. If I ever do get this on Amazon, does it
mean I have to call them up every time I have to place an order?
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley<mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Amazon's at it again!

I’m also having that same issue. There is a link to click on if you are
sight impaired. I tried it. Absolutely no luck with that link for me with
J16 and Win7.

This makes me livid with Amazon. Now I have to take my $323.00, order some
where else and probably pay more.


Why doesn’t this make some one like the NFB or ACB or Congress or who ever
do some thing about this BS. Why can’t Amazon just stop tinkering with
their stupid web site. If some thing is working, why fix it.

James Bentley

From: Rayette Rucker<mailto:ruckerr9@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Amazon's at it again!

I'm having that same issue.
On 12/30/2015 2:50 PM, Sandra Streeter wrote:
Hi, everyone!

The same issue I wrote about previously with Amazon is recurring: a captia
required when signing in, making the site entirely impossible to use. Does
anyone have a phone # for Amazon so I can try to resolve this—AGAIN?
Thanks!



Sandra
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Re: classic firefox theme

 

Gerald Levy asked, "So will this add-on make Webvisum work with Firefox 43 without resorting to the work around I have previously posted?"

No, you must still set xpinstall.signatures.required to false from within about:config.  I've got this add-on and just checked to see whether it messed with that setting and, as I expected, it does not.  It would probably be pulled from the add-ons returned within Firefox if it did, since this is a recently introduced security feature.

Brian


Re: classic firefox theme

dennis
 

i don't use webvisum so i don't know if it does or doesn't. it's just an add on so if it doesn't work you can just uninstall it.

On 1/6/2016 2:08 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So will this add-on make Webvisum work with Firefox 43 without resorting to the work around I have previously posted?

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: dennis
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 2:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: classic firefox theme

i found this just now and thaught it might fix the wevism problem folks
are having.
I recently installed Firefox 29, which added several new features to the
popular browser.

These are mainly a combination of user interface-related goodies and
stability improvements. For example, users can now enjoy redesigned tabs
and the ability
to customize the front-end by adding more buttons and functions.

firefoxlogo

While these customization options are definitely welcomed, however,
Firefox almost always seems to “break” or change something that didn’t
need to be touched
in the first place.

Firefox 29 Issues

The latest Firefox 29 stops you from performing several, seemingly basic
things that could frustrate those who are picky about their
customization options.

Among these changes include the inability to move the Reload button from
its default place or see the Status Bar the same way you used to.

The Reload button now sits to the right of the Address Bar, while the
Status Bar only shows items when they are installed.

Additionally, it’s important to note that the so-called Status Bar is
now called the Add-on Bar.

The issue with the latter (at least in my case) is the fact that some of
my frequently-used add-ons are not yet compatible with the latest
Firefox version
or its visual overhaul.

Initially, I thought the best way to restore Firefox to its former glory
was to downgrade to a previous version. While this option technically
works, it
is counter-intuitive.

Then I found a Firefox plugin (or add-on) called Classic Theme Restorer.

What Does Classic Theme Restorer Do?

The add-on performs a lot of the things that are shockingly unavailable
in the latest Firefox update. For example, you can move the Reload
button and restore
the old Status Bar (Add-on Bar) to the way it looked before.
Additionally, you can place your tabs toward the very top of the
browser or underneath the
Menu Bar.

Thankfully, all of my favorite features were working again when I
installed Classic Theme Restorer. This includes plugins/add-ons that
were no longer functioning
under the new user interface.

Note that the current Firefox version remains the same; the plugin
merely restores its former visual settings.

How to Install Classic Theme Restorer

Click here
to download Classic Theme Restorer.

Click “Add to Firefox” followed by “Allow” from the subsequent pop-up menu.

theme-restorer-add

theme-restorer-install

Restart the browser when asked, and voila! You are all set with its
installation.

How to Customize Firefox Options

Click the “Tools” menu from the Menu Bar, then click “Classic Theme
Restorer.”

Customize any desired option as you see fit, including browser tab
positioning and the inclusion of the classic Status Bar (again, now
shown as the Add-on
bar.)

theme-restorer-tools-menu

As you can see, every option you modified works like a charm again –
including the return of the classic Status Bar:

theme-restorer-customize-screen

How to Move Firefox Items

Simply click an empty area toward the top of the browser (such as the
empty space next to the Menu Bar) and then click “Customize.” You will
be greeted
with the following screen:

theme-restorer-dialog

Drag and drop any of the available items on the main screen to the top
of your browser. Otherwise, drag and move any existing buttons at the
top and drop
them anywhere you wish.

theme-restorer-customize-screen

I hope this helps anyone looking to move the Firefox Reload button,
restore the classic Menu Bar and any other feature missing from this
latest update.

~ Adrian








Re: classic firefox theme

Gerald Levy
 

So will this add-on make Webvisum work with Firefox 43 without resorting to the work around I have previously posted?

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: dennis
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 2:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: classic firefox theme

i found this just now and thaught it might fix the wevism problem folks
are having.
I recently installed Firefox 29, which added several new features to the
popular browser.

These are mainly a combination of user interface-related goodies and
stability improvements. For example, users can now enjoy redesigned tabs
and the ability
to customize the front-end by adding more buttons and functions.

firefoxlogo

While these customization options are definitely welcomed, however,
Firefox almost always seems to “break” or change something that didn’t
need to be touched
in the first place.

Firefox 29 Issues

The latest Firefox 29 stops you from performing several, seemingly basic
things that could frustrate those who are picky about their
customization options.

Among these changes include the inability to move the Reload button from
its default place or see the Status Bar the same way you used to.

The Reload button now sits to the right of the Address Bar, while the
Status Bar only shows items when they are installed.

Additionally, it’s important to note that the so-called Status Bar is
now called the Add-on Bar.

The issue with the latter (at least in my case) is the fact that some of
my frequently-used add-ons are not yet compatible with the latest
Firefox version
or its visual overhaul.

Initially, I thought the best way to restore Firefox to its former glory
was to downgrade to a previous version. While this option technically
works, it
is counter-intuitive.

Then I found a Firefox plugin (or add-on) called Classic Theme Restorer.

What Does Classic Theme Restorer Do?

The add-on performs a lot of the things that are shockingly unavailable
in the latest Firefox update. For example, you can move the Reload
button and restore
the old Status Bar (Add-on Bar) to the way it looked before.
Additionally, you can place your tabs toward the very top of the
browser or underneath the
Menu Bar.

Thankfully, all of my favorite features were working again when I
installed Classic Theme Restorer. This includes plugins/add-ons that
were no longer functioning
under the new user interface.

Note that the current Firefox version remains the same; the plugin
merely restores its former visual settings.

How to Install Classic Theme Restorer

Click here
to download Classic Theme Restorer.

Click “Add to Firefox” followed by “Allow” from the subsequent pop-up menu.

theme-restorer-add

theme-restorer-install

Restart the browser when asked, and voila! You are all set with its
installation.

How to Customize Firefox Options

Click the “Tools” menu from the Menu Bar, then click “Classic Theme
Restorer.”

Customize any desired option as you see fit, including browser tab
positioning and the inclusion of the classic Status Bar (again, now
shown as the Add-on
bar.)

theme-restorer-tools-menu

As you can see, every option you modified works like a charm again –
including the return of the classic Status Bar:

theme-restorer-customize-screen

How to Move Firefox Items

Simply click an empty area toward the top of the browser (such as the
empty space next to the Menu Bar) and then click “Customize.” You will
be greeted
with the following screen:

theme-restorer-dialog

Drag and drop any of the available items on the main screen to the top
of your browser. Otherwise, drag and move any existing buttons at the
top and drop
them anywhere you wish.

theme-restorer-customize-screen

I hope this helps anyone looking to move the Firefox Reload button,
restore the classic Menu Bar and any other feature missing from this
latest update.

~ Adrian


Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

 
Edited

Bob, 

        Here's how you back up your favorites.  You can also use this method to export them for later importing into a different browser.  I will denote hitting the next button with a hyphen followed by a right angle bracket.  Each step is on its own line.

          File Menu

           Import and Export , , , item

         -> Export to a file radio button

         -> Favorites Checkbox

         -> Select Folder to export from (Favorites already chosen by default)

         -> Where do you want to export your file? (the usual edit box with the folder path & file name, plus a browse button to change the save location)

                     Hit Export button at the bottom of the "Where do you" dialog


You're done.  Just remember where you put them if you ever need them.  It's not a bad idea to do this "just because" every once in a while if your Favorites get modified on a regular basis.

Brian