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Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 10:08 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

 

Adrian,

          No, I wasn't missing that point at all.

        There are already websites where IE is not supported. There is talk of Edge being accessible one day, but I could see one of those others being “anointed.”

Cindy Lou

  There are a lot of people who pay no attention at all to the technical press, and for good reason, so they don't even know that the writing is on the wall with regard to Internet Explorer.  I wasn't sure if you might be one of those people, and there are certainly readers here who might not know.  All I was trying to do was to spread the word that Internet Explorer really is a dead end now and that something else will rise to take its place with the companies doing screen reading software.  I've been praying for Firefox or Chrome to be "the next annointed one(s)."

Brian


Re: JAWS 16 question and comment

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That’s right, upgrades require nothing more than running the latest archive file, and following onscreen instructions.  Just sit back and relax, until it’s time to reboot.

 

From: ptusing [mailto:ptusing@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:58 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS 16 question and comment

 

Hi, all,

I  have been told  that one can find the latest link for

JAWS 16 and install it right   on top of

Either of the 2 previous JAWS 16 versions.

(I  installed the first JAWS 16).

So one can install  onto the old  without removing the existing J 16

Right?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

My comment isthat thank heavens Iam not using Windows 10.  I purchased  a new sma  only tofind that

F  S brought out a new JAWS version (17)  when  JAWS 16  definitely hampers the use of

JAWS and  Adobe.

At  least I canstill use earlier versions of JAWS to use Adobe. In 
Windows 10, I would be at the mercy of  mandatory

Microsoft updates without ability to use Adobe.


Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

 

Adrian,

          No, I wasn't missing that point at all.

          There are a lot of people who pay no attention at all to the technical press, and for good reason, so they don't even know that the writing is on the wall with regard to Internet Explorer.  I wasn't sure if you might be one of those people, and there are certainly readers here who might not know.  All I was trying to do was to spread the word that Internet Explorer really is a dead end now and that something else will rise to take its place with the companies doing screen reading software.  I've been praying for Firefox or Chrome to be "the next annointed one(s)."

Brian


Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Adrian Spratt
 

Brian,

 

You’re missing the point that JAWS does not support Edge at this time, and we’ve received indications it may not do so for a year. My comment was solely meant to reassure listers that IE10, like IE11, remains supported, unlike the situation with IE9.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:59 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

 

Adrian,

          Just FYI, and this is the long view, but Microsoft has already announced that Internet Explorer official support is going to end.  The introduction of Edge with Windows 10 is the debut of the intended replacement.  Edge is definitely a good browser but equally definitely nowhere near to maturity and it was released without a number of features, add-on support being the most obvious, that are now considered essential for any browser to become or remain competitive.

          There is absolutely no way that Freedom Scientific or any screen reader maker is going to be able to remain with IE as the default Microsoft browser over the long term.  Having this in the back of your mind may at least help to ease the shock when the inevitable announcements come about the shift to Edge or the decision to throw over primary support to Chrome, which is eating the shorts of every other web browser out there in terms of user base these days.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

I think you think I am angry because of this statement, which I quoted from Gerald’s post:

And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.

 

I quoted the statement, which I should have surrounded with quotes, to say what it was I am talking about. It was not mine. Now on to high and holy things—writing liturgy for Sunday. LOL.

Cindy

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 9:53 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Cindy Lou,

          I want to be clear that I was trying to state that your anger, which there was in that post, was entirely justifiable but that your assertion, "with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best," was not.  The value of Captchas for that particular security purpose is incredibly strong and well documented.  It made a very wide array of bot based attacks vanish and stay vanished.  That was the focus of my comment to you.

          The rest was more general.  I can never understand the degree of frustration that has been expressed in this thread other than in the abstract because I do know that the issues you all have identified don't affect me.  But at the same time there seems to be an undercurrent of, "this is a plot against accessibility," which it most certainly was not.

          There are also a lot of Captcha imitators who, to put it mildly, have never even attempted to support accessibility.  I could post links to a number of web pages I know of that use the "image of distorted letters but with no alternate nor audio" verification method, and hasten to add that these are not Captchas, though I get entirely why the term Captcha has become generic much like Kleenex, Jello, Frigidaire, Xerox, and many others before it.  Everyone who holds the trademarks on these gets really upset when they become "the generic term" because those who are doing knock-offs are generally not doing good or faithful ones.  I just want to emphasize that the Captcha folks already recognize what a barrier even the "improved" version can be, hence the move to reCaptcha that I mentioned earlier.

          There really is, believe it or not, a genuine concern with accessibility and thinking about it ahead of time by most major companies these days.  Some are still caught with the technology (e.g., conventional Captchas) that they have until the next release of their development cycle catches up.  Others, however, really don't give a flying rat's patootie and should be pilloried for that.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Cindy,

          Sorry for the confusion.   You directly quoted Gerald's earlier post within your own such that it looked entirely like you had typed what was said. The included text is in the same font, color, and flows as though it were a part of your own narrative.  Now that I've thoroughly combed back through all of the posts I see what happened.

          And I agree with you that there's been a lot more anger than yours asserted here.

Brian


Re: Seeing your download

Adrian Spratt
 

Ted, am I missing something, or do you press control-j to open a window showing download progress? This worked for me in IE11, as it has done in earlier versions of IE. As an aside, Chrome makes this information all but moot because it downloads even big files so incredibly fast.

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:28 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Seeing your download

 

Pardon me for changing the thread here, but I’ve recently noticed something since switching to 11, and I think I saw something about it on this list earlier.  I can no longer track the progress of my download on screen.  Is there a default to restore the older behavior?  It might be right there on the opening screen, and I didn’t know to look for it.

 

Ted

 

From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Good evening Mike!

 

  I am sorry to have to pester you with this, but do you know of a similar extension for Mozilla Firefox?  Most unfortunately, there are still some pages I have an easier time working with in Firefox, than in Chrome.

 

Take care,

 

Paul Jenkins

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 16:55
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Fw: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Howdy Y'all,

 

I finally found an extension that plays a sound when a download is complete.  Info is below:

 

Extension

 

Download Notifier
offered by ehaagwlke
(83)
Category: Productivity
4,514 users
Added to Chrome
Share

 

OVERVIEW
OVERVIEW
REVIEWS
REVIEWS
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
RELATED
RELATED

 

Compatible with your device
You get a desktop notification while your downloading finished.
0.0.5
I get the time to make the 'play a sound when download finished' feature configurable. And you also can decide whether the default download shelf should
display or not (though I prefer NOT).

 

Another change is, there will be more than one notification card displayed.

 

All things now could be configured via options page.

 

**********
V0.0.4
Here comes three new things:
1. The "Open" button now can be used
2. While one download finished, it would play a sound (not configurable for now)
3. The icon would be visible even if you are using a pure black theme

 

and one more thing (might be buggy):
- sometimes Chrome thought the file downloaded would be harmful, once this happened, this extension will prompt to ask for your confirmation, and this
will be done on the chrome://downloads page. And, this feature might be buggy, if
you encounter any problem, contact or email me. Thank you.

 

**********

 

This extension does two things:

 

1. Disabled the download shelf. Yes, I personally do not like it. So when I get the change, I just disabled it. You will get a badge while something is
downloading. Sorry no progress bar available for now.

 

2. Display a desktop notification when your downloading finished, and you could find it by one simple click.

 

TODO(May be implemented in future, may not):

 

1. An animated browser action icon which could show the downloading progress

 

2. A "OPEN" button on the notification card -- depends on whether Google would allow me to do so. [V0.0.4 added]

 

3. A popup shows all the downloads -- actually it was almost there, if there had not been some annoying bugs.
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Take care.
Mike


Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

 

Adrian,

          Just FYI, and this is the long view, but Microsoft has already announced that Internet Explorer official support is going to end.  The introduction of Edge with Windows 10 is the debut of the intended replacement.  Edge is definitely a good browser but equally definitely nowhere near to maturity and it was released without a number of features, add-on support being the most obvious, that are now considered essential for any browser to become or remain competitive.

          There is absolutely no way that Freedom Scientific or any screen reader maker is going to be able to remain with IE as the default Microsoft browser over the long term.  Having this in the back of your mind may at least help to ease the shock when the inevitable announcements come about the shift to Edge or the decision to throw over primary support to Chrome, which is eating the shorts of every other web browser out there in terms of user base these days.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

I am not sure what post of mine you are talking about.

There has been a lot more anger than mine asserted here.

Cindy

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 9:53 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Cindy Lou,

          I want to be clear that I was trying to state that your anger, which there was in that post, was entirely justifiable but that your assertion, "with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best," was not.  The value of Captchas for that particular security purpose is incredibly strong and well documented.  It made a very wide array of bot based attacks vanish and stay vanished.  That was the focus of my comment to you.

          The rest was more general.  I can never understand the degree of frustration that has been expressed in this thread other than in the abstract because I do know that the issues you all have identified don't affect me.  But at the same time there seems to be an undercurrent of, "this is a plot against accessibility," which it most certainly was not.

          There are also a lot of Captcha imitators who, to put it mildly, have never even attempted to support accessibility.  I could post links to a number of web pages I know of that use the "image of distorted letters but with no alternate nor audio" verification method, and hasten to add that these are not Captchas, though I get entirely why the term Captcha has become generic much like Kleenex, Jello, Frigidaire, Xerox, and many others before it.  Everyone who holds the trademarks on these gets really upset when they become "the generic term" because those who are doing knock-offs are generally not doing good or faithful ones.  I just want to emphasize that the Captcha folks already recognize what a barrier even the "improved" version can be, hence the move to reCaptcha that I mentioned earlier.

          There really is, believe it or not, a genuine concern with accessibility and thinking about it ahead of time by most major companies these days.  Some are still caught with the technology (e.g., conventional Captchas) that they have until the next release of their development cycle catches up.  Others, however, really don't give a flying rat's patootie and should be pilloried for that.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Adrian Spratt
 

Actually, I've read some legal agreements involving online sellers that address the CAPTCHA issue and require an accessible alternative in the event the company insists on retaining CAPTCHA. I wish I could go into more detail, but the agreements with which I'm familiar are confidential.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the
blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best
interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers
who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with
image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human by
identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed up system
but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers.
There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about
captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend
their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their
on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal
people's address books and try to extort money from their family and
friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human
and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in
srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some
captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back
character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that
we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once
compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example,
requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change
account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to
log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point.
They want something that requires subjective, human perception to
understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could
translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a
voicemail message.

-Kane


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Cindy Lou,

          I want to be clear that I was trying to state that your anger, which there was in that post, was entirely justifiable but that your assertion, "with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best," was not.  The value of Captchas for that particular security purpose is incredibly strong and well documented.  It made a very wide array of bot based attacks vanish and stay vanished.  That was the focus of my comment to you.

          The rest was more general.  I can never understand the degree of frustration that has been expressed in this thread other than in the abstract because I do know that the issues you all have identified don't affect me.  But at the same time there seems to be an undercurrent of, "this is a plot against accessibility," which it most certainly was not.

          There are also a lot of Captcha imitators who, to put it mildly, have never even attempted to support accessibility.  I could post links to a number of web pages I know of that use the "image of distorted letters but with no alternate nor audio" verification method, and hasten to add that these are not Captchas, though I get entirely why the term Captcha has become generic much like Kleenex, Jello, Frigidaire, Xerox, and many others before it.  Everyone who holds the trademarks on these gets really upset when they become "the generic term" because those who are doing knock-offs are generally not doing good or faithful ones.  I just want to emphasize that the Captcha folks already recognize what a barrier even the "improved" version can be, hence the move to reCaptcha that I mentioned earlier.

          There really is, believe it or not, a genuine concern with accessibility and thinking about it ahead of time by most major companies these days.  Some are still caught with the technology (e.g., conventional Captchas) that they have until the next release of their development cycle catches up.  Others, however, really don't give a flying rat's patootie and should be pilloried for that.

Brian


Re: CONFUSED! Adobe Reader XI seems to do OCR automatically?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Sometimes field names will respond to a small change in Verbosity.  For example, Access won’t read Field names in Advanced, but will in Intermediate.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 5:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: CONFUSED! Adobe Reader XI seems to do OCR automatically?

 

Gudrun,

          Now I'm a bit confused, so we're going to have to walk each other through some of the details to see where our differences lie and whether there is something toxic going on between JAWS and Adobe Reader.    Here is the IRS Form W9, straight from the source.  It, like every other IRS PDF file I've ever dealt with, does not need to be OCRed because the thing is developed in Adobe Acrobat and as is should be readable by JAWS.  Mind you, I don't have JAWS here but whenever I am able to do a search in Adobe Reader and find text that has indicated that it should be readable by JAWS.  Now, I haven't worked with anyone as far as what JAWS may or may not read in regard to the fillable fields.

          I just downloaded the above linked form W9 and opened it in Acrobat Reader DC.  I have searched for the phrase "income tax return" and it can be found at two locations.  I have filled in the first two fields, Name and Business Name, respectively, and was allowed to save the form.  When I close Adobe Reader DC entirely and then open the FW9 file that I saved all information I've entered remains there.

          If I hit a single tab once the file opens that places me in the first fillable filed, Name in this case, and each successive tab takes me to the next fillable field, whether that's a text/edit box, check box, etc.  My guess is that once one has focus on the fillable fields that is where it stays unless one uses the F5 command to shift focus back to the PDF document text, that's worth a try, anyway.  Here is the latest collection of Adobe Reader DC keyboard shortcuts.  In a particularly perversely funny twist the keyboard shortcuts for accessibility are available on this page but the direct link to them is hidden unless you hit "show more."  Of course, a search on accessibility will get you there, too.  That being said, the regular keyboard shortcuts may be far more pertinent.

          It would probably help us both if we know we're talking about a specific version of JAWS and a specific version of Adobe Reader.  I would hope that those who create fillable PDF forms would be taking accessibility into consideration (particularly government forms) and that there is some marriage of JAWS and Adobe Reader that would announce what those fields are when you land in them (which, of course, means that field names or alternate text were assigned by the coder).

Brian


Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Adrian Spratt
 

I just downgraded from IE11 to IE10, and so far, performance is improved. I’m also using Win7, along with JAWS 17. I’m told that IE11 was created to address certain browser problems associated with other operating systems and that IE10 is still supported by MS.

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

 

Hello.

 

Can someone give me the steps to update Internet Explorer to IE 11?

 

Currently, on this laptop I use for work, I have IE 9.

 

As we all know, IE 9 will soon not be supported, so I’m thinking I need to bite the bullet and upgrade to IE 11.

 

For reasons I still don’t understand, I had significant problems when trying to enter information into text edit boxes in IE 11 on my home computer this past summer, so I thought I’d upgrade the work computer to IE 11 first, and deal with the home PC from there.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 16 with Windows 7.

 

Also, when you upgrade, are your favorites preserved, or will I have to re-create them for the new version?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

I am a little confused by this message addressed to me and my anger. I don’t think I made such a statement, but maybe I need to go back and check. I asserted that if blind folks are going to accuse the advocacy groups of doing nothing, they should really be a part of one and work together, or then do their criticizing. As for such devices, I have no doubt they help, but Brian, you are a sighted man. You haven’t tried and tried and tried to enter one and not had it work. They have often improved though. And of course, as some have pointed out, there are sites that have no audio ones. Some of those think it is enough to just have us call their customer care so they can take care of us. I understand the reason for Captchas; I don’t understand why they have to be so garbled that no one can hear them or nonexistent. But I kind of think you are referring to someone else’s anger. I have more important things to stress me out except, of course, when I am trying to log into a website, and I’ve never had to try to get into Amazon that way.

Cindy Lou Ray who doesn’t get it.

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 9:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Cindy Ray,

           You are entitled to your anger, which is justifiable, but not to your assertion that Captchas value at thwarting hackers is "dubious at best."  They functioned (and function) brilliantly at preventing machine-based attacks of all sorts.  They were and are a brilliant idea that had "the law of unintended consequences" attached.  They've also been modified with audio, at least genuine Captcha captchas have, due to accessibility concerns.

           Gerald's assertion is dubious, at best, as advocacy from individuals and groups is precisely what has driven the changes that have already occurred and continue to occur.  When it comes down to it the old adage, "It's not all about you," (and that's for the generic you) applies here.  Businesses and entities are only trying to protect themselves and their assets, and, by extension, their clients.  There is no malicious intent and there is far more awareness, and responsiveness, with regard to accessibility issues when those are identified.

           There is no "one size fits all" solution to any problem, and there is no utility in creating a completely permeable barrier when a partial barrier is actually needed.  Input from those negatively affected is an incredibly valuable and necessary part of working through some issues that really had not been anticipated.


Re: Is There a Way For Me to Change...

 

Ted,

          That wouldn't work unless you did a Save As on the file, as "Date Created" literally sticks with a file and remains unchanged after the first save of that particular copy.  It's particularly interesting to see some of the "date weirdness" you can get when you copy files, as the copies have a Date Created stamp of the time of the copy but the Date Modified stamp is carried over from the file copied from.  It's odd to see a file that says it was modified at a date earlier than its date created.

           Also, the BulkFileChanger utility does allow you to tweak any of the date metadata.  However, since it was written by a European, and there is a desire to make certain that there is no ambiguity regarding what a date actually is, it requires the use of DD/MM/YYYY format for the dates.

Brian


Seeing your download

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Pardon me for changing the thread here, but I’ve recently noticed something since switching to 11, and I think I saw something about it on this list earlier.  I can no longer track the progress of my download on screen.  Is there a default to restore the older behavior?  It might be right there on the opening screen, and I didn’t know to look for it.

 

Ted

 

From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Good evening Mike!

 

  I am sorry to have to pester you with this, but do you know of a similar extension for Mozilla Firefox?  Most unfortunately, there are still some pages I have an easier time working with in Firefox, than in Chrome.

 

Take care,

 

Paul Jenkins

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 16:55
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Fw: Sound Extension For Downloading In Chrome

 

Howdy Y'all,

 

I finally found an extension that plays a sound when a download is complete.  Info is below:

 

Extension

 

Download Notifier
offered by ehaagwlke
(83)
Category: Productivity
4,514 users
Added to Chrome
Share

 

OVERVIEW
OVERVIEW
REVIEWS
REVIEWS
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
RELATED
RELATED

 

Compatible with your device
You get a desktop notification while your downloading finished.
0.0.5
I get the time to make the 'play a sound when download finished' feature configurable. And you also can decide whether the default download shelf should
display or not (though I prefer NOT).

 

Another change is, there will be more than one notification card displayed.

 

All things now could be configured via options page.

 

**********
V0.0.4
Here comes three new things:
1. The "Open" button now can be used
2. While one download finished, it would play a sound (not configurable for now)
3. The icon would be visible even if you are using a pure black theme

 

and one more thing (might be buggy):
- sometimes Chrome thought the file downloaded would be harmful, once this happened, this extension will prompt to ask for your confirmation, and this
will be done on the chrome://downloads page. And, this feature might be buggy, if
you encounter any problem, contact or email me. Thank you.

 

**********

 

This extension does two things:

 

1. Disabled the download shelf. Yes, I personally do not like it. So when I get the change, I just disabled it. You will get a badge while something is
downloading. Sorry no progress bar available for now.

 

2. Display a desktop notification when your downloading finished, and you could find it by one simple click.

 

TODO(May be implemented in future, may not):

 

1. An animated browser action icon which could show the downloading progress

 

2. A "OPEN" button on the notification card -- depends on whether Google would allow me to do so. [V0.0.4 added]

 

3. A popup shows all the downloads -- actually it was almost there, if there had not been some annoying bugs.
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Take care.
Mike


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Mario
 

I think the reason why website authors used the idea of the CAPTCHA is because it was the only solution they could think of to provide some way of thwarting spammers and web bots at the time, and therefore the wide spread use of these little devils, to add to what Gerald said.

On 1/6/2016 9:53 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
Gerald, do you belong to a blind advocacy group? Either one of them? It is pretty amazing to make a statement like this if you don't: And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.
We who are blind are all responsible for helping to make the changes. Much change has been made; some of this issue has been worked on as well. Probably the reason for audio captchas has something to do with blind advocacy groups. I don't for the life understand how people self-righteously make statements like this, yet they are not willing to stand with us and work on the problems.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed up system but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers.
There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point.
They want something that requires subjective, human perception to understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a voicemail message.

-Kane























Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Cindy Ray,

           You are entitled to your anger, which is justifiable, but not to your assertion that Captchas value at thwarting hackers is "dubious at best."  They functioned (and function) brilliantly at preventing machine-based attacks of all sorts.  They were and are a brilliant idea that had "the law of unintended consequences" attached.  They've also been modified with audio, at least genuine Captcha captchas have, due to accessibility concerns.

           Gerald's assertion is dubious, at best, as advocacy from individuals and groups is precisely what has driven the changes that have already occurred and continue to occur.  When it comes down to it the old adage, "It's not all about you," (and that's for the generic you) applies here.  Businesses and entities are only trying to protect themselves and their assets, and, by extension, their clients.  There is no malicious intent and there is far more awareness, and responsiveness, with regard to accessibility issues when those are identified.

           There is no "one size fits all" solution to any problem, and there is no utility in creating a completely permeable barrier when a partial barrier is actually needed.  Input from those negatively affected is an incredibly valuable and necessary part of working through some issues that really had not been anticipated.


Re: Is There a Way For Me to Change...

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I guess you could cheat if you know how to manipulate the old DOS Date command.  Just set your system back, resave the file, and reset the date back to the current date.  It may not work, and I can’t see why anyone would want to do it, but that’s the best I can come up with on short notice.

 

Ted

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:15 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Is There a Way For Me to Change...

 

Date created cannot be changed through any easy means since it's meant to denote when file was actually created.  What gets shown by default in the generic "date" field in Windows Explorer is not date created, but date modified.  Any time a file is edited by any program that makes any changes that get saved the date modified will be updated.  Date created remains fixed at the date the file was created on the system.

You get some interesting results when you copy files with regard to these two dates.  The copied versions will have a date created of the date & time when you pasted them.  However, their date modified will be carried over from the original files, so you can have something that shows a date created of today but a date modified of three years ago.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Gerald, do you belong to a blind advocacy group? Either one of them? It is pretty amazing to make a statement like this if you don't: And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.
We who are blind are all responsible for helping to make the changes. Much change has been made; some of this issue has been worked on as well. Probably the reason for audio captchas has something to do with blind advocacy groups. I don't for the life understand how people self-righteously make statements like this, yet they are not willing to stand with us and work on the problems.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed up system but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers.
There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point.
They want something that requires subjective, human perception to understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a voicemail message.

-Kane