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Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Gerald, do you belong to a blind advocacy group? Either one of them? It is pretty amazing to make a statement like this if you don't: And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.
We who are blind are all responsible for helping to make the changes. Much change has been made; some of this issue has been worked on as well. Probably the reason for audio captchas has something to do with blind advocacy groups. I don't for the life understand how people self-righteously make statements like this, yet they are not willing to stand with us and work on the problems.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed up system but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers.
There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point.
They want something that requires subjective, human perception to understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a voicemail message.

-Kane


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

 

Judith,

            I will do my best to explain the function of Captchas as a security mechanism and some of the "side benefits" that have been derived from them.

            Captchas work extremely well in differentiating human beings from robots (mostly spambots).  The technology is evolving, and there is actually a move away from the conventional Captcha, but it's happening slowly.  Originally, virtually every Captcha text you would be presented with was literally scanned from old books and was usually two words.  These were words that were difficult to read and there was controversy about what they actually were, but only regarding a letter or two.  Having millions of humans see these, and give their typewritten responses as to what they were, gave researchers a way to narrow down what these words probably are as more and more people leaned toward a given answer.  They are excellent for preventing robots from using them like humans (sighted ones, anyway) do because they are not characters displayed in a way that technology can just skim off and spit back out, thus they prevent automated registrations and various sorts of automated attacks by programs.   The same idea carries over to the recordings used if you can't see these items.  They're not meant to be crystal clear because there does exist speech recognition software that can easily take "clean" recordings and translate them to the necessary text.  It's only humans that can hear recordings that have imperfections such as those that characterize old records with their pops and cracks (among other distractions) and zero in on what's signal (what they want you to type) and what's noise.

            Captchas, at least the ones that are actual Captchas, do not require that you give "the correct answer" but just one that's "correct enough."  The very nature of the beast is such that there is ambiguity about certain parts of the image, and so long as the response is unambiguous about the characters that are unambiguous, but could be anything for the characters that are ambiguous, the test is passed.  It really was a brilliant way to separate the human from the computerized intruder.  The addition of the audio portion was done after the light bulb went off that the blind and visually impaired are never going to be reading Captchas from the scanned images, but the audio is meant to be at least somewhat ambiguous as well for precisely the same reasons.

            I'm not trying to defend Captchas from an accessibility standpoint here.  But, contrary to your assertions, they are very, very, very effective at differentiating humans from robot programs and if you think about some of the places where you're encountering them you will see why that might be a security priority at that particular juncture.

            Security features are designed to be barriers.  What they ideally should not be are accessibility barriers.  If you go to the official website of the "classic Captcha" and click on anything you are immediately redirected to Google's site for the new reCaptcha (which, by the way, I'd really wonder if it is accessible by design, as it should be) where the next generation of the technology, which does not require any reading, but is "point and click" in a way that remains confusing to machines but quite clear to humans (and I think to screen readers, too).  I've seen lots of reCaptchas already.  This may let you know that what's coming next is better, or let you start complaining (and legitimately) about accessibility issues ahead of the broader use of this technology.

Brian


Re: How to Make JAWS Speak When the Value of a Field Changes?

Richard B. McDonald
 

No, the fields themselves do not move on the screen, they are fixed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:57 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How to Make JAWS Speak When the Value of a Field Changes?

do these fields move around while the value changes?
of course the numlock should be off when trying these:
did you try insert+numpad 7, insert+numpad 8, insert+numpad 9,
insert+tab or insert+up arrow?


On 1/5/2016 1:04 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
Hi!

I use a program that has fields that contain numeric values. These
values periodically change based on information received by the
program from a ham radio which the program is monitoring. Presently,
I have to tab into the field, and then the value can be read by JAWS.
How can I make JAWS report the value of these fields each time they
change instead of having to tab into the field?

Thanks,

Richard


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

judith bron
 

Agreed

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?


And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed up system but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers.
There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point.
They want something that requires subjective, human perception to understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a voicemail message.

-Kane


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Gerald Levy
 

And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious at best.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed up system but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers. There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point. They want something that requires subjective, human perception to understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a voicemail message.

-Kane


Re: Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

 

Tom,

            Given your concern about your favorites, and even though I believe these are preserved as part of a version update, you should back them up first.  Presuing that Microsoft hasn't changed the menu structure (I only have IE11) you do this via the File menu, import and export option.

             Next you will go to the Microsoft page for Internet Explorer Download.  The page is automatically set up to check your system for the version you have and to present you with the download button for the latest version that will run on your system.  If memory serves, clicking that button will initiate the entire update process, which I'm sure includes download, dialog boxes once the upgrade starts, etc.

             IE11, like most browsers these days, does not display the menu bar by default.  Presuming you want that back on a permanent basis.  Hit Alt to bring up the menu bar for temporary display.  Under the View menu choose the Toolbars item and then check Menu Bar in the sidebar of items that comes up when you have chosen menu bar.

             I hope this is enough to at least let you take a swing at this.  I've done this upgrade many times but I haven't done it in a while and I loathe Internet Explorer, so I don't use it or do this on a routine enough basis to remember each and every tiny step in the actual upgrade process itself.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Mario
 

in addition, the websites that do use CAPTCHAs sometimes do not offer an audio version.

On 1/5/2016 8:08 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
Well of course, we can't see the letters, numbers, etc., but to add
insult to injury, the audible presentation is so garbled, it's hard to
tell, what to enter what one is supposed to hears. And that doesn't
even come close to the additional problems for people with hearing loss,
such as myself.


On 1/5/2016 6:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
. . . and I ask that question in all sincerity, since I haven't yet had
a client complain to me about not being able to get past them.

The version I'm seeing these days always includes a "pronounce it"
button an a "reload another" button attached to the Captcha, and I'm
wondering if those simply don't work when working with JAWS.

I may have to include "Captcha practice" at some point in the future, as
I know they're fairly ubiquitous.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

judith bron
 

And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed up system but we're still captive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers. There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point. They want something that requires subjective, human perception to understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a voicemail message.

-Kane


Re: indentations

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Do an Alt-O for format, and P for paragraph. That’ll get you where you want to go.

 

Ted

 

From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:17 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: indentations

 

In the past I was able to set the formatting in the document that when I hit enter in a document to begin a new paragraph the first word was indented by 0.5 inches.  Is there a way to do this with Word 2010?

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 12:32 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: indentations

 

Judith,

        I'm unclear as to whether you're asking how to make it such that if you hit an enter each new paragraph automatically starts with an indent or simply how to make an indent. 

        Hitting the Tab key will give you an indent at the beginning of the paragraph and you, of course, are controlling this entirely manually.

        You can also set a hanging indent using the top slider on the horizontal ruler at the top of your document (which, unfortunately, I do not know how to control with JAWS) which sets an automatic indent when you hit Enter to start a new paragraph.  Also, open Word Help and search on the phrase "set tab stops."  There is a section in there which describes how to set a hanging indent not with the slider, but using a dialog box, but you will likely understand how to bring that dialog up in JAWS after reading what's there.

         Happy Holidays to you and yours as well.

Brian


Re: MathML and PDF files

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That point about the time frame was well taken.  I took my terminal Degree in May, 1982, when the IBM pc was a new product, and before TI taught PC’s how to talk.  I remember I had 4 written exams in the fall of 1978, before I could spend full-time working on my dissertation.  Each student had 24 hours to complete his exam, my chair gave me 48, as it had to be done twice.  What I wouldn’t have given for my first XT back then.  I was lucky UK understood.

 

Ted

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Pablo,

         The sad fact is, and I don't say this to be nasty or dismissive but to introduce a reality check, that even with the advances that have been made in accessibility, and there have been many just over the last decade, the world is designed for "the typical" and those with significant disabilities are not "the typical."  This is one of the reasons I try to teach my clients (two of which are, at this time, graduate students) to learn to be their own advocates.  I do not know of a single college student who does not, with pretty much frequency, need to have a sighted reader, particularly for older print material or, as you've found, niche material like mathematical books, etc.  If colleges accept students with disabilities they are expected to provide reasonable accommodations, but very often they have absolutely no idea what that entails.  I have to say that this is not necessarily their fault, either, because students with disabilities are a micro niche and even the disabilities coordinators may be encountering someone with "disability X" or "disability Y" for the first time, ever, and have no idea of what's what.  It is absolutely impossible for any disabilities coordinator to have in-depth knowledge of every disability, or combination of disabilities, they might encounter.  A lot of thinking on one's feet is involved and, very often, taking input from the client as to what they've needed in the past in similar settings.  It's an uphill battle for all involved, including a lot of people who genuinely want to help you.

          If you actually know what you need, and in a situation like this is will probably be a reader, then push to get one.  Once you're in school you will find that "time is of the essence" will take on some real, new meaning even if you are given time accommodations for specific assignments.  You are going to have to figure out what you will require to meet those deadlines and, if it's not already in place, start rattling cages to get it into place as promptly as possible.

          If there is a state department for the blind and visually impaired in your state you would be wise to link up with them for assistance and advocacy.  Even then, you'll still have to sometimes push for what you need.

          I am not trying to be discouraging at all.  You can be a college student and be blind, but your college experience will, by definition, be very different than that of most students and you will need to be thinking about what you need all the time, and trying to anticipate what you might need as your courses change.

          One of the things that's driven me crazy as a JAWS tutor for students is the introduction of web-based course management systems.  These things are great if you can see, and can instantly tell what out of the myriad features your given professor may or may not be using for a given course, but if you can't we know how JAWS reads every blessed thing on a screen, and lots of these screens are chock full of links that aren't used, but remain there as place holders.  I have tried to encourage several local institutions to set up either "sandbox" versions of these systems with fake courses loaded so that those who have to access them with screen readers can have practice, and lots of it, prior to actually needing to use these systems for actual courses (or setting up fake courses in their real systems that they can enroll you in for practice).  The electronic course management system could be an entire semester's class alone, and no one should be trying to learn how to use it while also trying to learn the actual material for a course.

           You can do this, but you will, unquestionably, be working harder to get it done in ways that no one who is not in your situation will ever understand entirely, myself included.

Brian


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers. There is no such thing as 100% safe.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point. They want something that requires subjective, human perception to understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a voicemail message.

-Kane


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

judith bron
 

I have been following this thread and still the question I have about captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would create the captias so we could read them back character by character problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin [mailto:kbrolin65@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard.
But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive task--just to log in to check my points!

The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole point. They want something that requires subjective, human perception to understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does with a voicemail message.

-Kane


Need Steps For Updating Internet Explorer

Tom Behler
 

Hello.

 

Can someone give me the steps to update Internet Explorer to IE 11?

 

Currently, on this laptop I use for work, I have IE 9.

 

As we all know, IE 9 will soon not be supported, so I’m thinking I need to bite the bullet and upgrade to IE 11.

 

For reasons I still don’t understand, I had significant problems when trying to enter information into text edit boxes in IE 11 on my home computer this past summer, so I thought I’d upgrade the work computer to IE 11 first, and deal with the home PC from there.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 16 with Windows 7.

 

Also, when you upgrade, are your favorites preserved, or will I have to re-create them for the new version?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: Home based employment

Michael Mote
 

Hi! I would be interested in your work at home experiences as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonelle P [mailto:jonellenicole@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

Hi to Laura and Tina

I wanted to share that I am a Jaws 16 user who has been working from home for several companies for over 5 years now, and am also interested in the best rout to pursuing Medical transcription as a long-term career. I'll be glad to exchange links and tips about getting started with working at home. I don't mind shareing my info and you can email me at my gmail listed above, and we can even share Skype since that's where a lot of at home companies and agents connect. Thanks.

Jonelle

On 1/5/16, Adekoya Rasak <rasakadekoya@gmail.com> wrote:
big thank to Charles. but please, can a visually impaired person who
lives in a country in Africa enroll for any of tis job opportunit?

regard

On 04/01/2016, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
If you get the scissors type, they can be taped together. When I
worked, I had three of them taped together - one for Vocal Eyes; one
for the main dictation machine and one for cassettes. It worked with
no problem.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan [mailto:kimsansong@outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 12:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have moderate to severe, or is it the other way around hearing
loss, so I have to do everything from the left ear.

Rather uncomfortable to put the phone and headset to one ear lol.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:31 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I do that all the time, when I call the bank or credit card company,
earbud in right ear for computer, earbud in left for phone.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: SingingHearts [mailto:singinghearts@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have improvised with a headset for one source and earbuds for the
other when doing medical transcription from home with one side of the
headset covering one ear and one earbud in the other. A refreshable
braille display/notetaker was very helpful, too. The companies I've
worked for provided the transcription-specific equipment (hardware and software).
Many
medical references are available online. Searching them out ahead of
time, bookmarking them, and familiarizing yourself with them can be a
great timesaver.

Hth,
Tina C.


On 1/4/16, Michael Malver <mmalver@gmail.com> wrote:
You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and
the phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the other.
Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need this
regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.





From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment



Hi list members,



I'm currently searching for a customer service, medical
transcription, or other home based position but am not sure what
extra equipment I might need to do these types of jobs from home.
Do I need special software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.? I
use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Could somebody please share their current or past experience with
home based employment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura








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Re: IE 11 with Jaws 17

Michael Mote
 

I wonder if you have the new smart navigation feature on.  That has been introduced in JAWS 17, and it makes navigating pages different.  You may want to check and see if it is turned on, and if so, disable it for the page you’re referring to.  You can do this by pressing JAWS Key plus V, and then searching for smart navigation.  Good luck!

 

 

From: Jean Menzies [mailto:jemenzies@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 6:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: IE 11 with Jaws 17

 

I just upgraded to Windows 10, but I don’t think that’s the issue here. Using Jaws 17 and IE in Windows 10. When I go to a site like the Manage my apple ID page, I am finding it virtually impossible to navigate outside of edit fields. I can’t explain exactly what’s happening, but it’s like I can only read parts of the page, and old arrowing options aren’t working. One thing I remember is that in a combo edit field, the arrow keys actually are inserting numbers. Just strange behaviour all around.

 

IE 11 isn’t new. Jaws 17 is quite new for me, and Windows 10 is brand new. Any ideas what might be going on here?

 

Jean


Re: What is the issue with Captchas?

Gerald Levy
 

 
Actually, the use of image captchas seems to be expanding.  A few blind Amazon customers have reported being confronted by image captchas when they attempted to sign in to their accounts, and a few major merchants like Home Depot impose image cattchas during the online check-out procedure. In the case of Amazon, there is no audio captcha alternative, so the only recourse for a blind customer is to either use Webvisum or Rumola to solve the captcha or else find a working pair of eyeballs. 
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas?
 
Some of them have gotten better than they used to be. I swear some of the old ones were so muffled you'd hear
oo
and you didn't know if
oo
was
2
q
or
u

**ee
was it
t
e
v
b
c
d
p

Some sites still don't have audio captchas, and in some cases where they do, the audio opens in a media player, so JAWS loses focus and you have to rush to get back to where you can type the captcha, by which point you've missed half the letters.

Brad

On 1/5/2016 6:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

. . . and I ask that question in all sincerity, since I haven't yet had a client complain to me about not being able to get past them.

The version I'm seeing these days always includes a "pronounce it" button an a "reload another" button attached to the Captcha, and I'm wondering if those simply don't work when working with JAWS.

I may have to include "Captcha practice" at some point in the future, as I know they're fairly ubiquitous.

Brian



Re: Posting photos to Facebook

amit aggarwal <aggarwal.amit444@...>
 

Hi Laura,
sorry, but I haven't been able to understand your issue correctly.
if I am correct, you are trying to upload a doc witch has the photo inside it?
if so, I think you can't upload a doc on facebook.
you may upload photos, videos, and other things, but I haven't seen
anyone posting docs.
try posting something other than your desired attachment, and see if
that works.
let me know if you face any more troubles and I will try to help you.
Regards,
Amit

On 1/4/16, Laura Richardson <laurakr65@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Amit,

I went through the steps you suggested ...... when I tried to do step 6
(pasting into filename edit combo) it would not do anything. Could this be
because the photo attachment was saved as a doc and not a photo? I greatly
appreciate any help resolving this issue.

Laura




-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 9:38 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Amit,

Thank you for this information ...... I will try this later today and let
you know how it works.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: amit aggarwal [mailto:aggarwal.amit444@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:46 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Laura,
can you see your picture located in documents?
if so, you can use these steps instead of brows button found under
facebook.
1. navigate to your picture you'd like to post.
2. hold down shift and press application key.
3. use down arrow until you find copy as path.
4. hit enter and close documents window.
5. go to Facebook and click on brows button.
6. now in filename edit combo, paste the path you copyed using ctrl-v.
hope that helps.
Amit


On 1/1/16, Louise Johnson <herclouise@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi yes this answer would be a help as I would like to take pictures
and post them also. I use Jaws 16 windows 8.1 and I use the moble
Facebook sight. I can figure out some ideas but nothing works Louise
and princess Kiara


-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: December 31, 2015 1:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Amit,

Thanks for taking the time to help me with this. I was sent a picture
as an attachment. I saved the attachment (when I save attachments it
automatically saves it to my documents). When I’m on Facebook trying
to post this picture I can’t figure out how to find it to post. I
click on browse but haven’t been able to figure out how to get to that
picture to post it. Do I need to move the picture from documents to
somewhere else in order to post it to Facebook?

Laura





-----Original Message-----
From: amit aggarwal [mailto:aggarwal.amit444@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:02 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Laura,
login to your account, edit what you want to post, and use add photos
button.
hope that helps,
Amit

On 12/30/15, Laura Richardson <laurakr65@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,



I use Facebook from my laptop via the mobile site (m.facebook.com) as
it is much easier to navigate than the regular FB site. I have
Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Is it possible to post pictures on Facebook through the mobile site?
If not, how do you post pictures from the computer to Facebook? Any
help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura



































Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Adrian Spratt
 

Thanks, Brad. I’m on alert now that I’ll need to turn on in-line frames if I’m moved to find out what wisdom someone has dispensed in 140, or whatever, characters.

 

From: Brad Martin [mailto:brad@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:15 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

 

Thank you, Mike. My problem that I was in Internet Explorer but with no page loaded. This helped.

Adrian, in my limited testing, I went looking for a painful site to use, and what better option than Facebook. Your method of turning off inline frames was helpful, but at one point I was reading my Newsfeed and JAWS lost its mind and its place and I couldn't figure out where I'd landed. Using Adblock Plus, I did notice my newsfeed shift by a line once, but it didn't lose its place. Also, as someone talked about embedded tweets, I'm pretty sure those come through with an adblocker, but with inline frames disabled, you'd completely miss those.

Just my two cents,
Brad

On 1/5/2016 8:36 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Brad,

 

While in IE or your browser of choice press, Insert / Jaws key + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.  Now navigate to, Heading & Frame Options, now arrow down to, Inline Frames Show, press the spacebar to toggle this on / off.  Tab to Okay, press enter to save & close.

Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Brad Martin

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 5:43 PM

Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

 

Adrian,
    I can't test this for you, as I can't find a setting about turning off inline frames in JAWS. So for me, the ten seconds it took me to install Adblock Plus was way faster. (Ok, so in IE it took about a minute. But the time still flew.)

Brad

On 1/5/2016 10:52 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

I remain curious whether Adblock provides a better ad-avoidance experience than the much simpler method of turning off in-line frames in JAWS quick settings.

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mario,

          If you navigate to the Adblock Plus Main Web Page, http://adblockplus.org, from within the web browser you wish to install it for, it puts what looks like a button (but may be a link) right there on the page to install it.  In the case of Internet Explorer the text reads "Install for Internet Explorer" (I just tested that out).

          It's clear that they're still using a workaround for IE and, particularly, for MS-Edge since Edge does not yet support Add-Ons via its own manager.

Brian

 

 


Re: Home based employment

Jonelle P
 

Hi to Laura and Tina

I wanted to share that I am a Jaws 16 user who has been working from
home for several companies for over 5 years now, and am also
interested in the best rout to pursuing Medical transcription as a
long-term career. I'll be glad to exchange links and tips about
getting started with working at home. I don't mind shareing my info
and you can email me at my gmail listed above, and we can even share
Skype since that's where a lot of at home companies and agents
connect. Thanks.

Jonelle

On 1/5/16, Adekoya Rasak <rasakadekoya@gmail.com> wrote:
big thank to Charles. but please, can a visually impaired person who
lives in a country in Africa enroll for any of tis job opportunit?

regard

On 04/01/2016, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
If you get the scissors type, they can be taped together. When I worked,
I
had three of them taped together - one for Vocal Eyes; one for the main
dictation machine and one for cassettes. It worked with no problem.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan [mailto:kimsansong@outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 12:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have moderate to severe, or is it the other way around hearing loss, so
I
have to do everything from the left ear.

Rather uncomfortable to put the phone and headset to one ear lol.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:31 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I do that all the time, when I call the bank or credit card company,
earbud
in right ear for computer, earbud in left for phone.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: SingingHearts [mailto:singinghearts@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Home based employment

I have improvised with a headset for one source and earbuds for the other
when doing medical transcription from home with one side of the headset
covering one ear and one earbud in the other. A refreshable braille
display/notetaker was very helpful, too. The companies I've worked for
provided the transcription-specific equipment (hardware and software).
Many
medical references are available online. Searching them out ahead of
time,
bookmarking them, and familiarizing yourself with them can be a great
timesaver.

Hth,
Tina C.


On 1/4/16, Michael Malver <mmalver@gmail.com> wrote:
You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and
the phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the other.
Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need this
regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.





From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment



Hi list members,



I'm currently searching for a customer service, medical transcription,
or other home based position but am not sure what extra equipment I
might need to do these types of jobs from home. Do I need special
software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.? I use Windows 7 and
Jaws 15.



Could somebody please share their current or past experience with home
based employment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura








--
"If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not
sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome."
Anne Bradstreet















--
ADEKOYA, Rasak.
|Lead Consultant 360Connect.
Inclusive Leadership® Coach.
Public speaker & Business strategist.

Subscribe to my weekly newsletter for free...
www.360connect.com.ng/blog

Tel: 2348034829045
Skype: Asiwaju.rasak29
Twitt: @adekoyarasakb



--

Beauty is quality, & quality is a way of life.


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Brad Martin
 

Thank you, Mike. My problem that I was in Internet Explorer but with no page loaded. This helped.

Adrian, in my limited testing, I went looking for a painful site to use, and what better option than Facebook. Your method of turning off inline frames was helpful, but at one point I was reading my Newsfeed and JAWS lost its mind and its place and I couldn't figure out where I'd landed. Using Adblock Plus, I did notice my newsfeed shift by a line once, but it didn't lose its place. Also, as someone talked about embedded tweets, I'm pretty sure those come through with an adblocker, but with inline frames disabled, you'd completely miss those.

Just my two cents,
Brad

On 1/5/2016 8:36 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Brad,
 
While in IE or your browser of choice press, Insert / Jaws key + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.  Now navigate to, Heading & Frame Options, now arrow down to, Inline Frames Show, press the spacebar to toggle this on / off.  Tab to Okay, press enter to save & close.
Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Adrian,
    I can't test this for you, as I can't find a setting about turning off inline frames in JAWS. So for me, the ten seconds it took me to install Adblock Plus was way faster. (Ok, so in IE it took about a minute. But the time still flew.)

Brad

On 1/5/2016 10:52 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

I remain curious whether Adblock provides a better ad-avoidance experience than the much simpler method of turning off in-line frames in JAWS quick settings.

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mario,

          If you navigate to the Adblock Plus Main Web Page, http://adblockplus.org, from within the web browser you wish to install it for, it puts what looks like a button (but may be a link) right there on the page to install it.  In the case of Internet Explorer the text reads "Install for Internet Explorer" (I just tested that out).

          It's clear that they're still using a workaround for IE and, particularly, for MS-Edge since Edge does not yet support Add-Ons via its own manager.

Brian