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Opera Web Browser

 

I thought I'd post this under its own topic.

Opera, like virtually all major web browsers these days, will run on a number of platforms, including Windows, Android, and the various versions of Apple's OSX.

It is built on the same web browser engine as Chrome is.  It has been around for a very long time and has fans, and its suite of add-ons is extensive, but not nearly as extensive as either Firefox or Chrome.

Brian


Re: Firefox WebVisum problem

cecropia64
 

Good luck.  I wrote to them and got no reply at all.  Nobody seems to be home at the Web Visum site.  I doubt that they will say or do anything to repair the non-functioning addon.  But I'm glad to see that someone besides me and a few others are trying to do something.  It's kind of refreshing.

On 1/5/2016 6:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Jean & Gerald,

      Based on this thread I have written to the folks who code WebVisum to ask if they intend to create a signed version.

      Gerald's instructions definitely work, but they also disable what I think is a valuable security feature that Firefox has added.  Any add-on coder is going to have to update their add-ons to be signed if they are to have any long term future.  I am hoping that the reply will be that a signed add-on is in the works.  If it is, and you get it, it's worth reversing that tweak to allow unsigned add-ons.

Brian



Re: IE 11 with Jaws 17

Maria Campbell
 

This is just something to try. Check that your forms mode is set to manual in the insert v quick settings for IE.

On 1/5/2016 6:13 PM, Jean Menzies wrote:
I just upgraded to Windows 10, but I don’t think that’s the issue here.
Using Jaws 17 and IE in Windows 10. When I go to a site like the Manage
my apple ID page, I am finding it virtually impossible to navigate
outside of edit fields. I can’t explain exactly what’s happening, but
it’s like I can only read parts of the page, and old arrowing options
aren’t working. One thing I remember is that in a combo edit field, the
arrow keys actually are inserting numbers. Just strange behaviour all
around.
IE 11 isn’t new. Jaws 17 is quite new for me, and Windows 10 is brand
new. Any ideas what might be going on here?
Jean
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Re: Firefox WebVisum problem

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hello Jean,

The Lady from Microsoft disability support did helped me last week to get webvisum to work with firefox 43 she able get webvisum to login firefox without any problem when she was reading Carlos instruction !! If you have that instruction from Carlos it’s will work but I can not remember how did Ashley do it .

Addison  

 

From: Jean Menzies [mailto:jemenzies@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 4:55 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox WebVisum problem

 

I’ve just updated to Windows 10, so am updating other things as well. I don’t use Firefox often, but I do use it especially for capchas. I think I am running the latest update now, but it tells me that WebVisum could not be verified for use with Firefox and has been disabled. How do I get this back or allow it to run? 

 

Jean

 




IE 11 with Jaws 17

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

I just upgraded to Windows 10, but I don’t think that’s the issue here. Using Jaws 17 and IE in Windows 10. When I go to a site like the Manage my apple ID page, I am finding it virtually impossible to navigate outside of edit fields. I can’t explain exactly what’s happening, but it’s like I can only read parts of the page, and old arrowing options aren’t working. One thing I remember is that in a combo edit field, the arrow keys actually are inserting numbers. Just strange behaviour all around.
 
IE 11 isn’t new. Jaws 17 is quite new for me, and Windows 10 is brand new. Any ideas what might be going on here?
 
Jean


Re: Firefox WebVisum problem

Cristóbal
 

Good luck hearing back from them. As has been mentioned before, the add-on is more or less a zombi now. Dev’s aren’t supporting it or responding  to inquiries. It’ll work until it doesn’t at this point.

It would be great if you did get any sort of anser back though.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 3:27 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox WebVisum problem

 

Jean & Gerald,

      Based on this thread I have written to the folks who code WebVisum to ask if they intend to create a signed version.

      Gerald's instructions definitely work, but they also disable what I think is a valuable security feature that Firefox has added.  Any add-on coder is going to have to update their add-ons to be signed if they are to have any long term future.  I am hoping that the reply will be that a signed add-on is in the works.  If it is, and you get it, it's worth reversing that tweak to allow unsigned add-ons.

Brian


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

David Moore
 

Hi guys,
I was wondering what kind of browser Opera is? I have never heard of it. Is it for a Windows PC? I am just curious. Have a great one.
       
 

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings
 

Mike,

         IE was so late in the game of allowing add-ons and the implementation is different.  It's no surprise that this is done in a way "not like everyone else" in the browser world.

         I just wanted to hit on the more conventional Firefox and Chrome implementations when Firefox was mentioned.  The one in Opera is also very similar.


Re: Jaws speech and Zoomtext magnification?

Pablo Morales
 

Yes, both programs works nice.

 

 

From: Michael Mote [mailto:miketmote73@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 8:59 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws speech and Zoomtext magnification?

 

It does work Ok.  I have worked with several folks who use that combo as well.  From time to time, we do encounter issues with the mirror display drivers, because both programs are fighting for control, as Ron referenced in his post.  Most of the time, they will play nice though.  The only major problems that I have encountered were with Zoomtext and Internet Explorer versions 9 and 10.  I think that has been resolved now though.

 

 

 

From: Ron Worley Home [mailto:ron65@...]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:12 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws speech and Zoomtext magnification?

 

I am running Zoomtext 10.1 and JAWS 16 and I have not had any problems as of yet.  If you have the opportunity to do this, install JAWS first and uninstall it last.  There can always be an argument of which one keeps control of the vidio card.  You should not have any troubles with running Zoomtext without speech and having JAWS to speak for you.

 

From: Amy Bower [mailto:abower@...]
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 10:54 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws speech and Zoomtext magnification?

 

Hi – I’m wondering if anyone is using Jaws speech with Zoomtext magnification. I did use this combo for years, but then abandoned Zoomtext in favor of Magic when it seemed almost impossible to get Zoomtext and Jaws to work together. This was at least 4-5 years ago that I made the switch. Now I’m having some problems with Magic and other products, like J-Say and Matlab (latter with Magic v. 13, so had to roll back to v. 12). Before I start a trial of Zoomtext, I would like to hear about any experiences out there with this combo. I always preferred the Zoomtext product for magnification.

-Amy B.

 

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Re: Firefox WebVisum problem

 

Jean & Gerald,

      Based on this thread I have written to the folks who code WebVisum to ask if they intend to create a signed version.

      Gerald's instructions definitely work, but they also disable what I think is a valuable security feature that Firefox has added.  Any add-on coder is going to have to update their add-ons to be signed if they are to have any long term future.  I am hoping that the reply will be that a signed add-on is in the works.  If it is, and you get it, it's worth reversing that tweak to allow unsigned add-ons.

Brian


Re: Firefox WebVisum problem

Gerald Levy
 


Firefox 43, the latest version, introduced a security feature that prevents
unsigned, third-party add-ons like Webvisum from working.  If you depend on
Webvisum to solve image captchas like many of us do, follow these steps to
get it to work with Firefox 43:


1.  Open Firefox 43 and in the address bar, type the below line as seen with
no spaces:
about:config
2.  You will get a Firefox warning saying: 'This may void your warranty.'
Click on  the button that sardonically says: 'I'll be careful, I promise.'
3.  tab once to the list of 700 or so items and press the letter X. You are
looking for the below item:
xpinstall.signatures.required
4.  When this item is highlighted, press the context keyh or right click and
choose toggel or press T (same thing.) 5.  The highlighted value should
change to false as in:
xpinstall.signatures.required;false

Then press control + W to close the window and when you run Firefox again,
Webvisum should work.


Gerald



 

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 4:55 PM
Subject: Firefox WebVisum problem
 
I’ve just updated to Windows 10, so am updating other things as well. I don’t use Firefox often, but I do use it especially for capchas. I think I am running the latest update now, but it tells me that WebVisum could not be verified for use with Firefox and has been disabled. How do I get this back or allow it to run? 
 
Jean
 


Re: Sighted Assistants & Web Pages

James Malone
 

Hi Brian,

I also find in some cases that using the OCR method when finding hard to find buttons has also helped as well. Either pressing Jaws key space O and S for screen or W for window has also gotten me out of tight jams when it comes to the hidden buttons on a screen. However, I’ve never tried this out on a web page.

James

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 8:44 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Sighted Assistants & Web Pages

 

The following is only tangentially related to JAWS, but there is a connection.

At one time, not all that long ago, virtually anything presented on a web page visually was just precisely what it appeared to be, but not now.  More and more objects are being "visually masked" to appear as one thing when they are indeed another.  One example, which I just now encountered again when checking out the Adblock Plus main page, is their "Install for {insert the browser you're using at the moment here}" link, which is actually shown such that it looks for all the world just like a button to a sighted person.

I mention this only so you, and a sighted assistant, don't come close to coming to blows when they're telling you something like, "Hit B and you should land on that button since it's the only one on the screen," when the thing turns out to not really be a button.  I find myself, more and more frequently, falling into an "I'm getting ready to scream any moment now" mood because I'm unintentionally misdirecting my clients when we land on a page I'm not familiar with and "object X" is visually disguised to look just like "object Y."  I hate that, but I've already accepted the fact that it's likely to get far, far worse and may never get better.  I've been learning to love JAWS search much, much more due to this very issue.  Now that I better understand the logical split between the PC Cursor, JAWS Cursor, and Mouse Pointer within JAWS that will make my life, and those of my clients, somewhat easier as well.

Brian


Firefox WebVisum problem

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

I’ve just updated to Windows 10, so am updating other things as well. I don’t use Firefox often, but I do use it especially for capchas. I think I am running the latest update now, but it tells me that WebVisum could not be verified for use with Firefox and has been disabled. How do I get this back or allow it to run? 
 
Jean
 


Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thank you. I copied the instructions and went through them fronm Braille.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Page, Aaron [mailto:Aaron.Page@mso.umt.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:33 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

Hi Carolyn,

I have found that I have to make all of the notification tray icons visible in order for them to be seen by JAWS. By default Windows will collapse the notification tray and I believe JAWS may not be seeing the icons when they are collapsed. Here are the steps in Windows 10:

1. Press Windows+b
2. Use arrows to move to the date/time
3. Press Shift+F10 or press your application key and select Properties 4. Tab to and select the Customize button 5. Tab to and select "Select which icons appear on the task bar"
6. Press Tab then Ctrl+Home to move to the "Always show all icons in the notification area" button (this is read as "button" by JAWS but behaves as a checkbox) 7. Press Spacebar to check the box

As soon as you check the box you can press Insert+F11 to view your complete list of system tray icons. I have done this on all of my computers using JAWS. Hope this helps!

Regards,
Aaron M. Page



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:45 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

When I press Insert F11, it says Select a Systems Tray Item, one of two. When I hit Windows B, it gives me the notifications, systems tray, time, stuff about Lenovo, way more selections.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:11 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

jaws+f11 gives a dialog with the tray items in a list, along with
buttons that allow a left single click, left double click or right single click. win+t actually puts focus in the tray area and you have to use regular jaws keys to do clicks.

And jaws 17 did not change what occurs for me in any appreciable way.

I looked at my key bindings and see that Say System Tray is not bound.

On 1/4/16, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Insert F11 gives me Network 3 Internet Access (one of two, it says)
and Speakers 54 percent, but if I do Windows B, I get a lot of information.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kriegler [mailto:KRIEGLER@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 6:09 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

I don't have this problem with Jaws 17. Insert-F11 works as it always
has. Sounds like you either need to perform a Jaws Repair or
something else is going on with your system.

Les

_____________________________________________
From: HAMILTON [mailto:jim.hamilton@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 5:08 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...


HI ALL, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Among some of the more bothersome differences between JAWS 16 and JAWS
17 is the following irony:

Although I have set "SaySysTray", in JAWS 17 - as I had it set in JAWS
16, to: "ins/JAWSKey+F11", this command will not work. It just "sits
there"!

Farther down the JAWS 17 list of JAWS Keyboard commands is:
"ViewSysTrayItems", and this is set to: "control+shift+F11".
However, this simply displays a list of what's on the SysTray; but,
you cannot take any action on the listed SysTray items. Whereas, with
the "SaySysTray" command, you could "do something" with the items on
the SysTray, e.g. open the "context menu" to "safely remove hardware",
access network settings, etc.

Suggestions, as to how to get this function to work, will be
gratefully welcomed. Thank you.

Jim H

P.S.: When I can as clearly identify/describe other "bothersome" JAWS
17 issues, "I'll be back"!








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soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: How to Make JAWS Speak When the Value of a Field Changes?

Mario
 

do these fields move around while the value changes?
of course the numlock should be off when trying these:
did you try insert+numpad 7, insert+numpad 8, insert+numpad 9, insert+tab or insert+up arrow?

On 1/5/2016 1:04 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
Hi!

I use a program that has fields that contain numeric values. These
values periodically change based on information received by the program
from a ham radio which the program is monitoring. Presently, I have to
tab into the field, and then the value can be read by JAWS. How can I
make JAWS report the value of these fields each time they change instead
of having to tab into the field?

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Sighted Assistants & Web Pages

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Hi Brian,

 

Can you share your understanding of the following with us?

 

Now that I better understand the logical split between the PC Cursor, JAWS Cursor, and Mouse Pointer within JAWS that will make my life, and those of my clients, somewhat easier as well.

 

 

Thanks, Keith

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:44 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Sighted Assistants & Web Pages

 

The following is only tangentially related to JAWS, but there is a connection.

At one time, not all that long ago, virtually anything presented on a web page visually was just precisely what it appeared to be, but not now.  More and more objects are being "visually masked" to appear as one thing when they are indeed another.  One example, which I just now encountered again when checking out the Adblock Plus main page, is their "Install for {insert the browser you're using at the moment here}" link, which is actually shown such that it looks for all the world just like a button to a sighted person.

I mention this only so you, and a sighted assistant, don't come close to coming to blows when they're telling you something like, "Hit B and you should land on that button since it's the only one on the screen," when the thing turns out to not really be a button.  I find myself, more and more frequently, falling into an "I'm getting ready to scream any moment now" mood because I'm unintentionally misdirecting my clients when we land on a page I'm not familiar with and "object X" is visually disguised to look just like "object Y."  I hate that, but I've already accepted the fact that it's likely to get far, far worse and may never get better.  I've been learning to love JAWS search much, much more due to this very issue.  Now that I better understand the logical split between the PC Cursor, JAWS Cursor, and Mouse Pointer within JAWS that will make my life, and those of my clients, somewhat easier as well.

Brian


How to Make JAWS Speak When the Value of a Field Changes?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I use a program that has fields that contain numeric values.  These values periodically change based on information received by the program from a ham radio which the program is monitoring.  Presently, I have to tab into the field, and then the value can be read by JAWS.  How can I make JAWS report the value of these fields each time they change instead of having to tab into the field?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

 

Judith,

           In my opinion Adblock Plus is way more than just "worth installing" on any browser that they support in any way.  It is a part of my standard new computer setup protocol for all clients, provided they do not object.  As far as I'm concerned, it's worth its weight in gold for any sighted user and in platinum for anyone who is visually-impaired or blind.  The nice thing is that it even nicely rearranges the page's visual presentation, not leaving huge gaping areas of white space, where advertisements are removed.


Adrian,

           I cannot compare against the technique you use in JAWS, but Adblock Plus does an incredible job in removing ads and the folks who maintain the subscription lists of ads to be blocked have been doing a top-notch job for a long time now in keeping them up to date.  I believe someone else commented about a possible issue induced by your technique of choice on another thread where you'd mentioned it, but I am not absolutely certain of that.  I have not seen JAWS behave badly with web pages processed by Adblock Plus since it appears the processing occurs prior to them being served inside the browser, so the "purged" result is the first and only thing JAWS has to work with.

Brian


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Adrian Spratt
 

I remain curious whether Adblock provides a better ad-avoidance experience than the much simpler method of turning off in-line frames in JAWS quick settings.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

 

Mario,

          If you navigate to the Adblock Plus Main Web Page, http://adblockplus.org, from within the web browser you wish to install it for, it puts what looks like a button (but may be a link) right there on the page to install it.  In the case of Internet Explorer the text reads "Install for Internet Explorer" (I just tested that out).

          It's clear that they're still using a workaround for IE and, particularly, for MS-Edge since Edge does not yet support Add-Ons via its own manager.

Brian


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

judith bron
 

Brian, Is Addblock worth installing for IE?   

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

 

Mario,

          If you navigate to the Adblock Plus Main Web Page, http://adblockplus.org, from within the web browser you wish to install it for, it puts what looks like a button (but may be a link) right there on the page to install it.  In the case of Internet Explorer the text reads "Install for Internet Explorer" (I just tested that out).

          It's clear that they're still using a workaround for IE and, particularly, for MS-Edge since Edge does not yet support Add-Ons via its own manager.

Brian


Sighted Assistants & Web Pages

 

The following is only tangentially related to JAWS, but there is a connection.

At one time, not all that long ago, virtually anything presented on a web page visually was just precisely what it appeared to be, but not now.  More and more objects are being "visually masked" to appear as one thing when they are indeed another.  One example, which I just now encountered again when checking out the Adblock Plus main page, is their "Install for {insert the browser you're using at the moment here}" link, which is actually shown such that it looks for all the world just like a button to a sighted person.

I mention this only so you, and a sighted assistant, don't come close to coming to blows when they're telling you something like, "Hit B and you should land on that button since it's the only one on the screen," when the thing turns out to not really be a button.  I find myself, more and more frequently, falling into an "I'm getting ready to scream any moment now" mood because I'm unintentionally misdirecting my clients when we land on a page I'm not familiar with and "object X" is visually disguised to look just like "object Y."  I hate that, but I've already accepted the fact that it's likely to get far, far worse and may never get better.  I've been learning to love JAWS search much, much more due to this very issue.  Now that I better understand the logical split between the PC Cursor, JAWS Cursor, and Mouse Pointer within JAWS that will make my life, and those of my clients, somewhat easier as well.

Brian