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Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

Soronel Haetir
 

jaws+f11 gives a dialog with the tray items in a list, along with
buttons that allow a left single click, left double click or right
single click. win+t actually puts focus in the tray area and you have
to use regular jaws keys to do clicks.

And jaws 17 did not change what occurs for me in any appreciable way.

I looked at my key bindings and see that Say System Tray is not bound.

On 1/4/16, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Insert F11 gives me Network 3 Internet Access (one of two, it says) and
Speakers 54 percent, but if I do Windows B, I get a lot of information.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kriegler [mailto:KRIEGLER@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 6:09 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

I don't have this problem with Jaws 17. Insert-F11 works as it always
has. Sounds like you either need to perform a Jaws Repair or something
else is going on with your system.

Les

_____________________________________________
From: HAMILTON [mailto:jim.hamilton@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 5:08 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...


HI ALL, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Among some of the more bothersome differences between JAWS 16 and JAWS 17
is the following irony:

Although I have set "SaySysTray", in JAWS 17 - as I had it set in JAWS
16, to: "ins/JAWSKey+F11", this command will not work. It just "sits
there"!

Farther down the JAWS 17 list of JAWS Keyboard commands is:
"ViewSysTrayItems", and this is set to: "control+shift+F11". However,
this simply displays a list of what's on the SysTray; but, you cannot
take any action on the listed SysTray items. Whereas, with the
"SaySysTray" command, you could "do something" with the items on the
SysTray, e.g. open the "context menu" to "safely remove hardware", access
network settings, etc.

Suggestions, as to how to get this function to work, will be gratefully
welcomed. Thank you.

Jim H

P.S.: When I can as clearly identify/describe other "bothersome" JAWS
17 issues, "I'll be back"!







--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: if i unsubscribe from the list will this delete my membership?

Brad Martin
 

Most lists have a different option to go on "NoMail" instead of unsubscribing. I haven't explored Groups.io to see how that works, but that's a pretty standard thing.

Brad

On 1/4/2016 7:59 PM, Ryan Coverdell wrote:
I don't want to delete my membership, just quit receiving daily
emails, at least for now. If I unsubscribe, will this terminate my
membership? That's not what I want. Please, can  some one, let me know
before I confirm my unsubscribe. I look forward to your soon response.

Ryan Coverdell






Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Brad Martin
 

It's the same in IE11.


On 1/4/2016 7:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Brian & List Members,
 
I should also add that I'm running IE10.  I don't know if things changed in IE11.  My sincerest apologies for not making it more clear that my steps for accessing Adblock's settings were for IE.
Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mike,

         IE was so late in the game of allowing add-ons and the implementation is different.  It's no surprise that this is done in a way "not like everyone else" in the browser world.

         I just wanted to hit on the more conventional Firefox and Chrome implementations when Firefox was mentioned.  The one in Opera is also very similar.



Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Brad Martin
 

Poor Brian. Poor well-meaning but misguided Brian. (I'm giving him a hard time as we have been having conversation off list.)

Mario, let me help you out.

If you're using Adblock Plus on Internet Explorer, the installer is a good old-fashioned Execute file. It creates a folder in Program Files, which is what Mike referred to earlier. In that sense, it is a program of sorts. And the way you edit the settings for Internet explorer is from an HTML document in that folder, which is the address Mike referenced.

Brian is correct that in Firefox (and presumably in Chrome too) it's an extension or add-on. So you are correct that it doesn't create a program folder for you. However, Brian can see things we can't see, like toolbars. So he's directing you to a toolbar which would be perfectly correct if you could find it. I wish we could access it that way, because hovering over that toolbar button shows you the number of ads blocked on the current page, which I think would be kind of fun to see. But it doesn't work that way for us. The good news, however, is that in Firefox, on the Tools menu, at the very bottom--right below Options--is an Adblock Plus submenu (as JAWS reads it), that will take you to the options screen. You don't get to see how many ads have been blocked, but you can easily manage your settings that way.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

Brad

On 1/4/2016 6:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Mario,

       You're not missing anything.  Adblock Plus is not a program and thus does not have any entries in either "Program Files" or the "Program Files (x86)" folders.

       The actual location of the Adblock Plus stuff is dependent on which browser you're referring to, and I'd be happy to try to locate it for you and can check on my Windows 7 machines if necessary.

        The reason I posted about the buttons in the browser is because the Options setting that pops-up or drops-down when you click it is generally how one interacts with Adblock Plus settings for a given browser.  If you are able to get to that button give that a try, as it's safer to try to tweak things via the user interface rather than directly editing underlying files whenever possible.

Brian



if i unsubscribe from the list will this delete my membership?

Ryan Coverdell
 

I don't want to delete my membership, just quit receiving daily
emails, at least for now. If I unsubscribe, will this terminate my
membership? That's not what I want. Please, can some one, let me know
before I confirm my unsubscribe. I look forward to your soon response.

Ryan Coverdell


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Brian & List Members,
 
I should also add that I'm running IE10.  I don't know if things changed in IE11.  My sincerest apologies for not making it more clear that my steps for accessing Adblock's settings were for IE.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mike,

         IE was so late in the game of allowing add-ons and the implementation is different.  It's no surprise that this is done in a way "not like everyone else" in the browser world.

         I just wanted to hit on the more conventional Firefox and Chrome implementations when Firefox was mentioned.  The one in Opera is also very similar.


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

 

Mike,

         IE was so late in the game of allowing add-ons and the implementation is different.  It's no surprise that this is done in a way "not like everyone else" in the browser world.

         I just wanted to hit on the more conventional Firefox and Chrome implementations when Firefox was mentioned.  The one in Opera is also very similar.


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Brad Martin
 

Mike's description was for Adblock Plus for IE. If you use it in Firefox, just look in the Tools menu within Firefox. It's much easier to find that way.

Brad

On 1/4/2016 4:03 PM, Mario wrote:
Mike, I don't have a folder in program files called ad block plus. I am certain I have ad block plus as an plugin for firefox. so can ad block plus be installed as a program, that can block ads from any source? did I miss something?


On 1/4/2016 3:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi All,
Below is where & how to access / change your Adblock Plus settings, in
Windows 7 anyways:
File path:
C:\Program Files\Adblock Plus for IE\html\templates\index.html
1. Open Ad Block Plust in the Programs Files folder.
2. Open the HTML folder.
3. Open the Templates folder & inside you'll find:
*firstRun.html*
*These are the settings when you first installed the program & are the
default settings.*
*index.html*
*Open this to change your options / settings.  Arrow down to, Allow some
non-intrusive advertising, & uncheck this box if you don't want any ads
to show.
*
Take care.
Mike







Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Brian,
 
On my Windows 7 Pro 64 bit computer there is a folder called, Adblock Plus for IE, in the program Files folder.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mario,

       You're not missing anything.  Adblock Plus is not a program and thus does not have any entries in either "Program Files" or the "Program Files (x86)" folders.

       The actual location of the Adblock Plus stuff is dependent on which browser you're referring to, and I'd be happy to try to locate it for you and can check on my Windows 7 machines if necessary.

        The reason I posted about the buttons in the browser is because the Options setting that pops-up or drops-down when you click it is generally how one interacts with Adblock Plus settings for a given browser.  If you are able to get to that button give that a try, as it's safer to try to tweak things via the user interface rather than directly editing underlying files whenever possible.

Brian


Re: Jaws speech and Zoomtext magnification?

Ron Worley Home <ron65@...>
 

I am running Zoomtext 10.1 and JAWS 16 and I have not had any problems as of yet.  If you have the opportunity to do this, install JAWS first and uninstall it last.  There can always be an argument of which one keeps control of the vidio card.  You should not have any troubles with running Zoomtext without speech and having JAWS to speak for you.

 

From: Amy Bower [mailto:abower@...]
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 10:54 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws speech and Zoomtext magnification?

 

Hi – I’m wondering if anyone is using Jaws speech with Zoomtext magnification. I did use this combo for years, but then abandoned Zoomtext in favor of Magic when it seemed almost impossible to get Zoomtext and Jaws to work together. This was at least 4-5 years ago that I made the switch. Now I’m having some problems with Magic and other products, like J-Say and Matlab (latter with Magic v. 13, so had to roll back to v. 12). Before I start a trial of Zoomtext, I would like to hear about any experiences out there with this combo. I always preferred the Zoomtext product for magnification.

-Amy B.

 

This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
www.avast.com


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

 

Mario,

       You're not missing anything.  Adblock Plus is not a program and thus does not have any entries in either "Program Files" or the "Program Files (x86)" folders.

       The actual location of the Adblock Plus stuff is dependent on which browser you're referring to, and I'd be happy to try to locate it for you and can check on my Windows 7 machines if necessary.

        The reason I posted about the buttons in the browser is because the Options setting that pops-up or drops-down when you click it is generally how one interacts with Adblock Plus settings for a given browser.  If you are able to get to that button give that a try, as it's safer to try to tweak things via the user interface rather than directly editing underlying files whenever possible.

Brian


Re: Question about the Groups.io forum

 

Found the solution to my own question, and have applied a dope slap to my forehead for having missed this for so long.

On both the thread view of the messages and an individual message thread itself there is a link at the upper right side of the screen just above the first item displayed that reads "Date" and that has a tiny up arrow or down arrow next to that word depending on how you toggle it.

As it turns out, the main view of the message threads as a group was set by default to display in reverse chronological/newest first order.  The view of the messages in a single thread was set by default to display in chronological order.  Simply clicking on that Date link to flip it to reverse chronological within a message thread gives me the messages from newest to oldest.

This forum is much easier to read when that's the case!

Brian


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mario
 

ok, let's try this again. there is no folder named ad block plus in the program files folder. what am I missing?

On 1/4/2016 6:41 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Mario,
I don't have Firefox installed on my Windows 7 system but, in XP the
Adblock is in Firefox's Tools / Add-ons. In Chrome in Windows 7 it's
under extensions. How you access the options oof Adblock in either
Firefox or Chrome is beyond me.
Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com>
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2016 2:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mike, I don't have a folder in program files called ad block plus. I am
certain I have ad block plus as an plugin for firefox. so can ad block
plus be installed as a program, that can block ads from any source? did
I miss something?


On 1/4/2016 3:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:
> Hi All,
> Below is where & how to access / change your Adblock Plus settings, in
> Windows 7 anyways:
> File path:
> C:\Program Files\Adblock Plus for IE\html\templates\index.html
> 1. Open Ad Block Plust in the Programs Files folder.
> 2. Open the HTML folder.
> 3. Open the Templates folder & inside you'll find:
> *firstRun.html*
> *These are the settings when you first installed the program & are the
> default settings.*
> *index.html*
> *Open this to change your options / settings. Arrow down to, Allow some
> non-intrusive advertising, & uncheck this box if you don't want any ads
> to show.
> *
> Take care.
> Mike
>



Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Insert F11 gives me Network 3 Internet Access (one of two, it says) and
Speakers 54 percent, but if I do Windows B, I get a lot of information.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kriegler [mailto:KRIEGLER@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 6:09 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

I don't have this problem with Jaws 17. Insert-F11 works as it always
has. Sounds like you either need to perform a Jaws Repair or something
else is going on with your system.

Les

_____________________________________________
From: HAMILTON [mailto:jim.hamilton@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 5:08 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...


HI ALL, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Among some of the more bothersome differences between JAWS 16 and JAWS 17
is the following irony:

Although I have set "SaySysTray", in JAWS 17 - as I had it set in JAWS
16, to: "ins/JAWSKey+F11", this command will not work. It just "sits
there"!

Farther down the JAWS 17 list of JAWS Keyboard commands is:
"ViewSysTrayItems", and this is set to: "control+shift+F11". However,
this simply displays a list of what's on the SysTray; but, you cannot
take any action on the listed SysTray items. Whereas, with the
"SaySysTray" command, you could "do something" with the items on the
SysTray, e.g. open the "context menu" to "safely remove hardware", access
network settings, etc.

Suggestions, as to how to get this function to work, will be gratefully
welcomed. Thank you.

Jim H

P.S.: When I can as clearly identify/describe other "bothersome" JAWS
17 issues, "I'll be back"!


Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

David Moore
 

Hi,
JAWS and NVDA both allow one to use key commands totally if they are totally blind. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?
 

Hi Brian,

I am completely blind and use JAWS as my primary reader and NVDA as my backup reader.I have been taught to use the JAWS keyboard shortcut mode when my sight was acting up before it quit on me in 2005. This mode is available in Window Eyes or Supernova, not sure about other screen readers though.

 

Mes respects - Regards

Guy Castonguay

 

Spécialiste en Technologie de remplacement de la vue – Vision Replacement Technology Specialist

Services Partagés Canada – Shared Services Canada

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:45 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

 

Thanks to all who have taken the time to respond.

The main thing I'm trying to do for myself is to get a bit better grip on "what's what" as far as web browsing goes.  I frequently use INS+F6, list headings, and INS+F7, list links, with my clients as well as the Navigation Quick Keys.  I have never had a good grasp (or I don't think I do, anyway) regarding Forms Mode, Table Navigation, or PlaceMarkers (though the concept for the last one is very clear to me).  When you can see it's not nearly so necessary to know the actual structures within HTML that JAWS and other screen readers rely upon to make your navigation of these pages as quick and painless as possible, and I sometimes think that I'm going "around Jake's barn" with regard to web browsers and JAWS because don't have a clear grasp of the above nor Frames or Elements.

The whole JAWS Cursor versus PC Cursor is utterly maddening to me because JAWS focus can switch without a corresponding visual move of the information displayed such that it can, for instance, be on a radio button that's not visible on the screen to me, which can make, no pun intended, getting on the same page as my client more than a bit of a challenge.  I also wish I had more practice with using the mouse functions without actually using the mouse (although I admit I encourage my clients to use the physical left and right click buttons on the mouse pad on a laptop because they can be easily distinguished via tactile means - I just create a permanent mask over the mousing area itself so that it does not interfere with pointer movement or accidental click activation).

If either NVDA or WindowEyes is substantially the same in its handling of these things at least I could get some sense of what might happen in a session as far as possible or probable trouble spots beforehand.   Heaven knows I've got enough experience to be able to think on my feet and consult the keystrokes document at relatively high speed, but sometimes a bit of actual practice would probably help me.

One of the really tricky things, but one I'm used to, is that there is virtually no sense in even thinking about something as structured as a lesson plan with the clients I work with.  Most of the time by the time I'm called in they have a long list of "things I need to be able to do, some tomorrow and many yesterday" that I just walk through with them based on their prioritization of same.  This is nothing like teaching a formal class and there are always the bugs one finds in JAWS (with some frequency) and/or technical support issues that unmask themselves as part of the whole process.

I really love this work and always want to find ways that I can improve my service delivery.

Brian, who still has to "shut JAWS up" when short bursts of really intensive work show up that I really need to do that are unrelated to the client's JAWS goals - I doubt I'll ever get entirely comfortable with the endless narration!


Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Pablo,

         I just wanted to report back that Accuplacer has been in touch with me several times now since I reported this accessibility issue.   Pertinent sections from the last two messages from today are:

Your issue has absolutely not been closed.  I close them out when I reply to customers because the system then sends me an email that you have replied.  It just makes for my response times to be a little bit quicker.  I assure you we are working on it!  As for a follow up on your issue, I spoke to College Board who wanted to make sure that this was the correct document.  College Board has stated that they are having some resources devote some time to better create accessibility to that document.  I am waiting on the direction they want to go with it, but when I know, I will certainly relay that information to you.

and

I just heard from my boss who had just spoken with College Board.  It looks like they are commiting to having this worked on and ideally fixed by the end of the month. 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

At least there seems to be an acknowledgement of the issue and what appears to be a sincere concern about fixing it.

Brian



Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

 

In both Firefox and Chrome in their current releases, Adblock Plus puts a button on the main toolbar to the right of the address box.  It looks like a small red octagon with ABP in the middle for both, but on Firefox there is a small dropdown arrow on the right side of the button.

In Chrome, if you click on it you get something that appears to be a menu, but these days I doubt it is a menu, but at the bottom of whatever object it is there is a button or link for Options.

In Firefox, if the button is activated a dropdown menu appears with Options as the last menu item.  A button to contribute to Adblock Plus appears below that Options item.


Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Mario,
 
I don't have Firefox installed on my Windows 7 system but, in XP the Adblock is in Firefox's Tools / Add-ons.  In Chrome in Windows 7 it's under extensions.  How you access the options oof Adblock in either Firefox or Chrome is beyond me.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Adblock Plus, How / Where To Access Settings

Mike, I don't have a folder in program files called ad block plus. I am
certain I have ad block plus as an plugin for firefox. so can ad block
plus be installed as a program, that can block ads from any source? did
I miss something?


On 1/4/2016 3:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:
> Hi All,
> Below is where & how to access / change your Adblock Plus settings, in
> Windows 7 anyways:
> File path:
> C:\Program Files\Adblock Plus for IE\html\templates\index.html
> 1. Open Ad Block Plust in the Programs Files folder.
> 2. Open the HTML folder.
> 3. Open the Templates folder & inside you'll find:
> *firstRun.html*
> *These are the settings when you first installed the program & are the
> default settings.*
> *index.html*
> *Open this to change your options / settings.  Arrow down to, Allow some
> non-intrusive advertising, & uncheck this box if you don't want any ads
> to show.
> *
> Take care.
> Mike
>



Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

Les and Jane Kriegler <KRIEGLER@...>
 

I don't have this problem with Jaws 17. Insert-F11 works as it always has.
Sounds like you either need to perform a Jaws Repair or something else is
going on with your system.

Les

_____________________________________________
From: HAMILTON [mailto:jim.hamilton@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 5:08 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...


HI ALL, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Among some of the more bothersome differences between JAWS 16 and JAWS 17 is
the following irony:

Although I have set "SaySysTray", in JAWS 17 - as I had it set in JAWS 16,
to: "ins/JAWSKey+F11", this command will not work. It just "sits there"!

Farther down the JAWS 17 list of JAWS Keyboard commands is:
"ViewSysTrayItems", and this is set to: "control+shift+F11". However, this
simply displays a list of what's on the SysTray; but, you cannot take any
action on the listed SysTray items. Whereas, with the "SaySysTray" command,
you could "do something" with the items on the SysTray, e.g. open the
"context menu" to "safely remove hardware", access network settings, etc.

Suggestions, as to how to get this function to work, will be gratefully
welcomed. Thank you.

Jim H

P.S.: When I can as clearly identify/describe other "bothersome" JAWS 17
issues, "I'll be back"!


Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

That did it - Windows B as in Bravo. It provided a lot of helpful
information. Thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 5:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...

Try the Windows command, Windows key+b.

I don't really understand this post. For example, a user doesn't "set"
the insert-F11 command. it's a JAWS keystroke designated for putting
focus in the system tray.

_____________________________________________
From: HAMILTON [mailto:jim.hamilton@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 5:08 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS command for "SaySysTray" ...


HI ALL, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Among some of the more bothersome differences between JAWS 16 and JAWS 17
is the following irony:

Although I have set "SaySysTray", in JAWS 17 - as I had it set in JAWS
16, to: "ins/JAWSKey+F11", this command will not work. It just "sits
there"!

Farther down the JAWS 17 list of JAWS Keyboard commands is:
"ViewSysTrayItems", and this is set to: "control+shift+F11". However,
this simply displays a list of what's on the SysTray; but, you cannot
take any action on the listed SysTray items. Whereas, with the
"SaySysTray" command, you could "do something" with the items on the
SysTray, e.g. open the "context menu" to "safely remove hardware", access
network settings, etc.

Suggestions, as to how to get this function to work, will be gratefully
welcomed. Thank you.

Jim H

P.S.: When I can as clearly identify/describe other "bothersome" JAWS
17 issues, "I'll be back"!