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Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

Londa Peterson
 

 Hi Brian, I'm a bit late to this party, but here are my thoughts. I've found that with some clients, it's actually easier to teach them how to get out of forms mode than it is to teach them to remember to invoke it. I have had some students that no matter how much I drilled them, they simply couldn't remember to invoke forms mode when they needed it. Auto forms mode has saved me a lot of trouble over the years. I'm a firm believer in showing a person all the options and then letting them pick what they like. In most cases, I've found this to be the best.   

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:30 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

 

Brad,

           That is precisely what I was hoping to hear, and makes me very inclined to start encouraging my clients to turn off the auto feature for forms mode and use manual mode instead.   This seems so much cleaner and less error prone from my perspective.  Of course, ever man or woman to his or her own taste!

Brian

P.S. to the cohort:  I never mind when random readers jump in to answer a question when they see it first.  I just habitually address the question to the poster whose original post triggered it.


Re: Separator keystroke

Soronel Haetir
 

For discovery of the navigation keys there is also the quick key
manager, jaws+j, n, u, h but that list does not include separator.

On 1/3/16, Maria Campbell <lucky1@ct.metrocast.net> wrote:
The search for command key doesn't find all that many commands, I have
found.


On 1/3/2016 5:22 PM, brian albriton wrote:
Search doesn't locate it. Already tried that but thanks much.
Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason White via Groups.io [mailto:jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 3:15 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Separator keystroke

brian albriton <cocanut50@ca.rr.com> wrote:

Ideally, I’d like to know how to quickly search for those “quick key
commands” other then pressing every key on the keyboard, LoL!

Use JAWS command search: JAWS key+space, j








--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.



--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Is this a new feature because it is annoying.

Tom Lange
 

Hi.
Brian either has this so-called "feature" as part of his e-mail service or as part of some sort of anti-spam software. It's actually been around for years; I've run into it from time to time, and when that happened I simply verified that I was real and went on my merry way, after which I could send mail to its intended recipient. No big deal, but, as someone said, it is annoying. At least this "feature" doesn't involve dealing with a captcha.  Captchas are really annoying, even for sighted people. There's probably a special place in Hades reserved for the guy who invented the captcha, <chucle>. 
Cheer!!
Tom  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:

When I got that message, I was like huh? I think I just deleted it.  I don’t think I ever saw it again.

 

From: Merv Keck [mailto:blind5sparrow@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 2:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Is this a new feature because it is annoying.

 

                Hello.  this is an automated response from Brian buhrow.  Due to the increasing volume of spam, it is necessary for me to verify that you really want to  send me e-mail before I read your message.  If you reply to this message, I will know that you really did intend to write to me, and your original message regarding Re: curious about Final draft, along with your reply to this verification request, will be forwarded to me immediately.  In addition, I will make a note of your e-mail address, so that you will not have to respond to these automated verification requests ever again.

                I apologize for this extra step, but I believe this will allow me to treat your e-mail with the attention it deserves, rather than spending my time deleting useless messages which ask me to help distressed African nationals transfer billions of dollars around the globe.

 

-Brian

ÿ

 

 


Re: Home based employment

Brent Harding
 

I am thinking the Plantronics headset may only work with phone based work because the second side of it isn't just a second 3.5mm plug. I called up Plantronics, and they said it is a special quick disconnect proprietary connection that goes through an amplifier to power the mic, and it may only work with certain desk phones. Although they say it is a special order item with no return policy, the last I checked, Headsets.com claimed to have it in stock, but it is over $200. I'm not sure what one would connect to it if a soft phone is what one needed to use.

----- Original Message -----
From: "SingingHearts" <singinghearts@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Home based employment


I have improvised with a headset for one source and earbuds for the
other when doing medical transcription from home with one side of the
headset covering one ear and one earbud in the other. A refreshable
braille display/notetaker was very helpful, too. The companies I've
worked for provided the transcription-specific equipment (hardware and
software). Many medical references are available online. Searching
them out ahead of time, bookmarking them, and familiarizing yourself
with them can be a great timesaver.

Hth,
Tina C.


On 1/4/16, Michael Malver <mmalver@gmail.com> wrote:
You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and the
phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the other.
Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need this
regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.





From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment



Hi list members,



I'm currently searching for a customer service, medical transcription, or
other home based position but am not sure what extra equipment I might
need
to do these types of jobs from home. Do I need special software, special
headset and/or ear bud, etc.? I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Could somebody please share their current or past experience with home
based
employment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura








--
"If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did
not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome."
Anne Bradstreet



Re: Home based employment

SingingHearts <singinghearts@...>
 

I have improvised with a headset for one source and earbuds for the
other when doing medical transcription from home with one side of the
headset covering one ear and one earbud in the other. A refreshable
braille display/notetaker was very helpful, too. The companies I've
worked for provided the transcription-specific equipment (hardware and
software). Many medical references are available online. Searching
them out ahead of time, bookmarking them, and familiarizing yourself
with them can be a great timesaver.

Hth,
Tina C.

On 1/4/16, Michael Malver <mmalver@gmail.com> wrote:
You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and the
phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the other.
Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need this
regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.





From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment



Hi list members,



I'm currently searching for a customer service, medical transcription, or
other home based position but am not sure what extra equipment I might
need
to do these types of jobs from home. Do I need special software, special
headset and/or ear bud, etc.? I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Could somebody please share their current or past experience with home
based
employment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura







--
"If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did
not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome."
Anne Bradstreet


Re: Home based employment

Michael Mote
 

Hi Laura!  It really depends on the position you are taking, and what their specific requirements are.  You may want to consult with whoever you are working for or plan to work for in the future to get an idea of what they want you to use.  You will most likely need a fast Internet connection that is wired.  Wifi works sometimes, but there are no guarantees.  Also, a wired connection is much more secure.  You may also need a land line for telephone purposes, although some companies use soft phone applications now that run on your computer.  Again, that really depends on the company you work for, and what their requirements are for the job itself.  Hope this helps!

 

 

From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@...]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment

 

Hi list members,

 

I’m currently searching for a customer service, medical transcription, or other home based position  but am not sure what extra equipment I might need to do these types of jobs from home.  Do I need special software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.?  I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.

 

Could somebody please share their current or past experience with home based employment?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Laura

 

 


Re: Is this a new feature because it is annoying.

 
Edited

It's not a new feature, but a very old one, and it is very annoying.  That being said, those who have an e-mail service that allows this feature to be activated do have far better protection against spam, spoofing, etc., than those that don't.  Your reply to that message is used to whitelist your own e-mail address by the recipient's e-mail filtering software and is only done the first time you attempt to contact them.

If you do not reply to it, in most cases your e-mail address will remain blacklisted by the recipient's e-mail filtering software and any subsequent messages you might send are either immediately classed as spam or trash.  So, if this comes from someone with whom you do wish to correspond, it is best to make that one extra reply so that your original message, as well as any subsequent messages, go through.

Brian


Re: Accessing Attachments in Outlook 2016

judith bron
 

I shift tab back to attachments, with the right arrow I hear the subject,
pres enter and arrow down once to open. JB

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kriegler [mailto:kriegler@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:29 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Accessing Attachments in Outlook 2016

The subject lione says it all. I just tried to access my first attachment
in Outlook 2016. I opened the message and tabbed and found the attachments
vbutton, but could not activate it. How does one access attachments in
2016? Thanks.

Les


Re: Home based employment

Michael Malver
 

You will need a hedset that allows you to hear JAWS in one ear, and the phone (or whatever audio source you are listening to,) in the other. Plantronics used to make such a device years ago. You will need this regardless of whether you work from home, or out of the home.

 

 

From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@...]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 7:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Home based employment

 

Hi list members,

 

I’m currently searching for a customer service, medical transcription, or other home based position  but am not sure what extra equipment I might need to do these types of jobs from home.  Do I need special software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.?  I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.

 

Could somebody please share their current or past experience with home based employment?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Laura

 

 


Accessing Attachments in Outlook 2016

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

The subject lione says it all. I just tried to access my first attachment
in Outlook 2016. I opened the message and tabbed and found the attachments
vbutton, but could not activate it. How does one access attachments in
2016? Thanks.

Les


Home based employment

Laura Richardson
 

Hi list members,

 

I’m currently searching for a customer service, medical transcription, or other home based position  but am not sure what extra equipment I might need to do these types of jobs from home.  Do I need special software, special headset and/or ear bud, etc.?  I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.

 

Could somebody please share their current or past experience with home based employment?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Laura

 

 


Re: News Sites Refreshing

judith bron
 

 

Thanks for understanding.  It’s just so frustrating.  Best, Judith

From: Brad Martin [mailto:brad@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 8:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: News Sites Refreshing

Thanks for understanding.  It’s just so frustrating when all you want is the article and every sharing or whatever function stubbornly stands between you and your desired information.  Best, Judith

Unfortunately what Judith is talking about is the "sharing" options after the heading. So hitting h (or insert f6) won't get her around it. (I know; I've sure tried.) Sometimes hitting the page down key will get you close, although that often overshoots the beginning of the article.

Brad

On 1/3/2016 6:44 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Judith,

       Often, though not always, the news stories themselves are arranged at the level of headings.  You could give INS+F6 a try and see how that works.  I've used looking for headings to "cut through the crap" on any number of websites.

        If you try this, please report back on how it worked out.

Brian

 


Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Laura Richardson
 

Hi Amit,

I went through the steps you suggested ...... when I tried to do step 6 (pasting into filename edit combo) it would not do anything. Could this be because the photo attachment was saved as a doc and not a photo? I greatly appreciate any help resolving this issue.

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 9:38 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Amit,

Thank you for this information ...... I will try this later today and let you know how it works.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: amit aggarwal [mailto:aggarwal.amit444@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:46 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Laura,
can you see your picture located in documents?
if so, you can use these steps instead of brows button found under facebook.
1. navigate to your picture you'd like to post.
2. hold down shift and press application key.
3. use down arrow until you find copy as path.
4. hit enter and close documents window.
5. go to Facebook and click on brows button.
6. now in filename edit combo, paste the path you copyed using ctrl-v.
hope that helps.
Amit


On 1/1/16, Louise Johnson <herclouise@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi yes this answer would be a help as I would like to take pictures
and post them also. I use Jaws 16 windows 8.1 and I use the moble
Facebook sight. I can figure out some ideas but nothing works Louise
and princess Kiara


-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: December 31, 2015 1:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Amit,

Thanks for taking the time to help me with this. I was sent a picture
as an attachment. I saved the attachment (when I save attachments it
automatically saves it to my documents). When I’m on Facebook trying
to post this picture I can’t figure out how to find it to post. I
click on browse but haven’t been able to figure out how to get to that
picture to post it. Do I need to move the picture from documents to
somewhere else in order to post it to Facebook?

Laura





-----Original Message-----
From: amit aggarwal [mailto:aggarwal.amit444@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:02 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Laura,
login to your account, edit what you want to post, and use add photos
button.
hope that helps,
Amit

On 12/30/15, Laura Richardson <laurakr65@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,



I use Facebook from my laptop via the mobile site (m.facebook.com) as
it is much easier to navigate than the regular FB site. I have
Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Is it possible to post pictures on Facebook through the mobile site?
If not, how do you post pictures from the computer to Facebook? Any
help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura

























Re: News Sites Refreshing

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Mine updates automatically...

I'm using my computer and out of nowhere it will say that addblock has been updated, and I close the window and go on w/my life.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 10:58 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: News Sites Refreshing

Hi Brad,
Thank you for that suggestion. It's in the same place on Windows10.
The only option which one is unable to see with this method is that to check for updates for the application. To confirm this, I had sighted assistance to get down to the menu at the bottom of Internet Explorer and one of the choices is check for updates.
If anyone can say how that choice would be accessed it would be great.
Perhaps one does not even need to be concerned with that as it probably updates automatically.


On 1/3/16, Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org> wrote:
That's a good question. I had never used it with IE, but after your
question I installed it. The best answer I can give you is to go to
Internet Explorer and visit the following address (which I guess could
be different in Windows 10--I have Windows 7):

C:\Program Files\Adblock Plus for IE\html\templates\index.html

That should get you to the options page. I'll try and find a more
normal way to activate this setting.


Brad
On 1/3/2016 11:26 PM, Shai wrote:
Hi,
How does one manage the options of adblock plus in Internet
Explorer11 using JAWS17? It is set to block annoying ads and states
that the options are on the status bar but I can not find this menu.
I am using this with Windows10


On 1/3/16, Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of discussion about pages refreshing. And
while it's true that some pages do constantly refresh (and it's
really annoying because JAWS gets hung up on reading the same things
over and over again), it's important to know whether this is
actually the problem you're experiencing. It may not be.

Yes, sometimes, especially on news websites, a refresh occurs
periodically. The page's author can set the refresh to occur every
ten seconds or thirty seconds or fifteen minutes (as is more likely
the case). At one time JAWS used to tell you "This page will refresh
in 900 seconds," but I haven't heard that in so long I don't know if
that's still a thing. But sometimes when JAWS loses its place (and
its mind) it's not because the page is refreshing--at least, not the whole page.

Sometimes the problem you experience is the ads on a page changing,
jumping, flashing, moving, etc. In fact the ad frames in the page
may be refreshing while the regular content is not. This tends to
manifest itself in JAWS losing its place frequently, or perhaps JAWS
reading the same line several times as you arrow down an article, or
skipping a line, then going back to it. For the sighted among us,
you can describe the feeling this way: You're sitting at a desk
reading a newspaper, when somebody comes around the back of your
desk and yanks the paper away from you by an inch or two--not enough
to pull the paper off the desk, but enough to make you lose your
place. So you adjust, you find your spot again, and, whammo,
somebody else comes along and shoves the paper towards you. Again,
you lose focus, so you start trying to find your place while somebody else shoves the paper in a different direction.

What's happening is that the ads are different sizes, they're
causing everything to shift, or they're moving. For those of us who
are blind, we may not realize that an ad has appeared that is
literally obscuring the page for our sighted friends, but I'm told it happens frequently.
They'll be reading and what they're reading gets covered up by an ad.

I say all that to say this: I used to hate, hate, hate clicking on
news articles because of the frustration I experienced while trying
to read them, and I have a super fast computer with lots of RAM, so
it's not a problem of the computer getting bogged down. All that
changed when I installed first AdBlock,
<http://www.getadblock.com>and now that AdBlock no longer works with
Firefox, I use Adblock Plus, <http://adblockplus.org>which even has
a version for IE although I've only used the Firefox version. It has
changed my experience of reading news from all sorts of websites--TV
websites, newspaper websites, online news sites, everything. JAWS
rarely loses its place because the ads aren't jumping around the
screen and bumping my page back and forth. I stopped experiencing
crashes because of the flash ads. Honestly I can't remember the last
time I encountered a page that made me feel like it was truly
refreshing or reloading. It's very rare. A nice side benefit is I rarely have to wade through countless a frames and i frames.

Sorry that was so long, but I hope it helps some of you, both in
terms of understanding why JAWS is behaving the way it is, and in
explaining the experience to your sighted friends.

--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org> My Facebook
page where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>

--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org> My Facebook page
where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>


Re: News Sites Refreshing

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Brad:

That is identical to what I have here on windows 10…

 

From: Brad Martin [mailto:brad@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 10:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: News Sites Refreshing

 

That's a good question. I had never used it with IE, but after your question I installed it. The best answer I can give you is to go to Internet Explorer and visit the following address (which I guess could be different in Windows 10--I have Windows 7):

C:\Program Files\Adblock Plus for IE\html\templates\index.html

That should get you to the options page. I'll try and find a more normal way to activate this setting.


Brad

On 1/3/2016 11:26 PM, Shai wrote:

Hi,
How does one manage the options of adblock plus in Internet Explorer11
using JAWS17? It is set to block annoying ads and states that the
options are on the status bar but I can not find this menu.
I am using this with Windows10
 
 
On 1/3/16, Brad Martin <brad@...> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of discussion about pages refreshing. And
while it's true that some pages do constantly refresh (and it's really
annoying because JAWS gets hung up on reading the same things over and
over again), it's important to know whether this is actually the problem
you're experiencing. It may not be.
 
Yes, sometimes, especially on news websites, a refresh occurs
periodically. The page's author can set the refresh to occur every ten
seconds or thirty seconds or fifteen minutes (as is more likely the
case). At one time JAWS used to tell you "This page will refresh in 900
seconds," but I haven't heard that in so long I don't know if that's
still a thing. But sometimes when JAWS loses its place (and its mind)
it's not because the page is refreshing--at least, not the whole page.
 
Sometimes the problem you experience is the ads on a page changing,
jumping, flashing, moving, etc. In fact the ad frames in the page may be
refreshing while the regular content is not. This tends to manifest
itself in JAWS losing its place frequently, or perhaps JAWS reading the
same line several times as you arrow down an article, or skipping a
line, then going back to it. For the sighted among us, you can describe
the feeling this way: You're sitting at a desk reading a newspaper, when
somebody comes around the back of your desk and yanks the paper away
from you by an inch or two--not enough to pull the paper off the desk,
but enough to make you lose your place. So you adjust, you find your
spot again, and, whammo, somebody else comes along and shoves the paper
towards you. Again, you lose focus, so you start trying to find your
place while somebody else shoves the paper in a different direction.
 
What's happening is that the ads are different sizes, they're causing
everything to shift, or they're moving. For those of us who are blind,
we may not realize that an ad has appeared that is literally obscuring
the page for our sighted friends, but I'm told it happens frequently.
They'll be reading and what they're reading gets covered up by an ad.
 
I say all that to say this: I used to hate, hate, hate clicking on news
articles because of the frustration I experienced while trying to read
them, and I have a super fast computer with lots of RAM, so it's not a
problem of the computer getting bogged down. All that changed when I
installed first AdBlock, <http://www.getadblock.com>and now that AdBlock
no longer works with Firefox, I use Adblock Plus,
<http://adblockplus.org>which even has a version for IE although I've
only used the Firefox version. It has changed my experience of reading
news from all sorts of websites--TV websites, newspaper websites, online
news sites, everything. JAWS rarely loses its place because the ads
aren't jumping around the screen and bumping my page back and forth. I
stopped experiencing crashes because of the flash ads. Honestly I can't
remember the last time I encountered a page that made me feel like it
was truly refreshing or reloading. It's very rare. A nice side benefit
is I rarely have to wade through countless a frames and i frames.
 
Sorry that was so long, but I hope it helps some of you, both in terms
of understanding why JAWS is behaving the way it is, and in explaining
the experience to your sighted friends.
 
--
Brad Martin
brad@... <mailto:brad@...>
My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>
 
 
 
 
 

 


Re: News Sites Refreshing

Shai
 

Hi Brad,
Thank you for that suggestion. It's in the same place on Windows10.
The only option which one is unable to see with this method is that to
check for updates for the application. To confirm this, I had sighted
assistance to get down to the menu at the bottom of Internet Explorer
and one of the choices is check for updates.
If anyone can say how that choice would be accessed it would be great.
Perhaps one does not even need to be concerned with that as it
probably updates automatically.

On 1/3/16, Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org> wrote:
That's a good question. I had never used it with IE, but after your
question I installed it. The best answer I can give you is to go to
Internet Explorer and visit the following address (which I guess could
be different in Windows 10--I have Windows 7):

C:\Program Files\Adblock Plus for IE\html\templates\index.html

That should get you to the options page. I'll try and find a more normal
way to activate this setting.


Brad
On 1/3/2016 11:26 PM, Shai wrote:
Hi,
How does one manage the options of adblock plus in Internet Explorer11
using JAWS17? It is set to block annoying ads and states that the
options are on the status bar but I can not find this menu.
I am using this with Windows10


On 1/3/16, Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of discussion about pages refreshing. And
while it's true that some pages do constantly refresh (and it's really
annoying because JAWS gets hung up on reading the same things over and
over again), it's important to know whether this is actually the problem
you're experiencing. It may not be.

Yes, sometimes, especially on news websites, a refresh occurs
periodically. The page's author can set the refresh to occur every ten
seconds or thirty seconds or fifteen minutes (as is more likely the
case). At one time JAWS used to tell you "This page will refresh in 900
seconds," but I haven't heard that in so long I don't know if that's
still a thing. But sometimes when JAWS loses its place (and its mind)
it's not because the page is refreshing--at least, not the whole page.

Sometimes the problem you experience is the ads on a page changing,
jumping, flashing, moving, etc. In fact the ad frames in the page may be
refreshing while the regular content is not. This tends to manifest
itself in JAWS losing its place frequently, or perhaps JAWS reading the
same line several times as you arrow down an article, or skipping a
line, then going back to it. For the sighted among us, you can describe
the feeling this way: You're sitting at a desk reading a newspaper, when
somebody comes around the back of your desk and yanks the paper away
from you by an inch or two--not enough to pull the paper off the desk,
but enough to make you lose your place. So you adjust, you find your
spot again, and, whammo, somebody else comes along and shoves the paper
towards you. Again, you lose focus, so you start trying to find your
place while somebody else shoves the paper in a different direction.

What's happening is that the ads are different sizes, they're causing
everything to shift, or they're moving. For those of us who are blind,
we may not realize that an ad has appeared that is literally obscuring
the page for our sighted friends, but I'm told it happens frequently.
They'll be reading and what they're reading gets covered up by an ad.

I say all that to say this: I used to hate, hate, hate clicking on news
articles because of the frustration I experienced while trying to read
them, and I have a super fast computer with lots of RAM, so it's not a
problem of the computer getting bogged down. All that changed when I
installed first AdBlock, <http://www.getadblock.com>and now that AdBlock
no longer works with Firefox, I use Adblock Plus,
<http://adblockplus.org>which even has a version for IE although I've
only used the Firefox version. It has changed my experience of reading
news from all sorts of websites--TV websites, newspaper websites, online
news sites, everything. JAWS rarely loses its place because the ads
aren't jumping around the screen and bumping my page back and forth. I
stopped experiencing crashes because of the flash ads. Honestly I can't
remember the last time I encountered a page that made me feel like it
was truly refreshing or reloading. It's very rare. A nice side benefit
is I rarely have to wade through countless a frames and i frames.

Sorry that was so long, but I hope it helps some of you, both in terms
of understanding why JAWS is behaving the way it is, and in explaining
the experience to your sighted friends.

--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org>
My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>

--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org>
My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>


Re: News Sites Refreshing

Brad Martin
 

That's a good question. I had never used it with IE, but after your question I installed it. The best answer I can give you is to go to Internet Explorer and visit the following address (which I guess could be different in Windows 10--I have Windows 7):

C:\Program Files\Adblock Plus for IE\html\templates\index.html

That should get you to the options page. I'll try and find a more normal way to activate this setting.


Brad

On 1/3/2016 11:26 PM, Shai wrote:
Hi,
How does one manage the options of adblock plus in Internet Explorer11
using JAWS17? It is set to block annoying ads and states that the
options are on the status bar but I can not find this menu.
I am using this with Windows10


On 1/3/16, Brad Martin <brad@...> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of discussion about pages refreshing. And
while it's true that some pages do constantly refresh (and it's really
annoying because JAWS gets hung up on reading the same things over and
over again), it's important to know whether this is actually the problem
you're experiencing. It may not be.

Yes, sometimes, especially on news websites, a refresh occurs
periodically. The page's author can set the refresh to occur every ten
seconds or thirty seconds or fifteen minutes (as is more likely the
case). At one time JAWS used to tell you "This page will refresh in 900
seconds," but I haven't heard that in so long I don't know if that's
still a thing. But sometimes when JAWS loses its place (and its mind)
it's not because the page is refreshing--at least, not the whole page.

Sometimes the problem you experience is the ads on a page changing,
jumping, flashing, moving, etc. In fact the ad frames in the page may be
refreshing while the regular content is not. This tends to manifest
itself in JAWS losing its place frequently, or perhaps JAWS reading the
same line several times as you arrow down an article, or skipping a
line, then going back to it. For the sighted among us, you can describe
the feeling this way: You're sitting at a desk reading a newspaper, when
somebody comes around the back of your desk and yanks the paper away
from you by an inch or two--not enough to pull the paper off the desk,
but enough to make you lose your place. So you adjust, you find your
spot again, and, whammo, somebody else comes along and shoves the paper
towards you. Again, you lose focus, so you start trying to find your
place while somebody else shoves the paper in a different direction.

What's happening is that the ads are different sizes, they're causing
everything to shift, or they're moving. For those of us who are blind,
we may not realize that an ad has appeared that is literally obscuring
the page for our sighted friends, but I'm told it happens frequently.
They'll be reading and what they're reading gets covered up by an ad.

I say all that to say this: I used to hate, hate, hate clicking on news
articles because of the frustration I experienced while trying to read
them, and I have a super fast computer with lots of RAM, so it's not a
problem of the computer getting bogged down. All that changed when I
installed first AdBlock, <http://www.getadblock.com>and now that AdBlock
no longer works with Firefox, I use Adblock Plus,
<http://adblockplus.org>which even has a version for IE although I've
only used the Firefox version. It has changed my experience of reading
news from all sorts of websites--TV websites, newspaper websites, online
news sites, everything. JAWS rarely loses its place because the ads
aren't jumping around the screen and bumping my page back and forth. I
stopped experiencing crashes because of the flash ads. Honestly I can't
remember the last time I encountered a page that made me feel like it
was truly refreshing or reloading. It's very rare. A nice side benefit
is I rarely have to wade through countless a frames and i frames.

Sorry that was so long, but I hope it helps some of you, both in terms
of understanding why JAWS is behaving the way it is, and in explaining
the experience to your sighted friends.

--
Brad Martin
brad@... <mailto:brad@...>
My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>






Re: News Sites Refreshing

Shai
 

Hi,
How does one manage the options of adblock plus in Internet Explorer11
using JAWS17? It is set to block annoying ads and states that the
options are on the status bar but I can not find this menu.
I am using this with Windows10

On 1/3/16, Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of discussion about pages refreshing. And
while it's true that some pages do constantly refresh (and it's really
annoying because JAWS gets hung up on reading the same things over and
over again), it's important to know whether this is actually the problem
you're experiencing. It may not be.

Yes, sometimes, especially on news websites, a refresh occurs
periodically. The page's author can set the refresh to occur every ten
seconds or thirty seconds or fifteen minutes (as is more likely the
case). At one time JAWS used to tell you "This page will refresh in 900
seconds," but I haven't heard that in so long I don't know if that's
still a thing. But sometimes when JAWS loses its place (and its mind)
it's not because the page is refreshing--at least, not the whole page.

Sometimes the problem you experience is the ads on a page changing,
jumping, flashing, moving, etc. In fact the ad frames in the page may be
refreshing while the regular content is not. This tends to manifest
itself in JAWS losing its place frequently, or perhaps JAWS reading the
same line several times as you arrow down an article, or skipping a
line, then going back to it. For the sighted among us, you can describe
the feeling this way: You're sitting at a desk reading a newspaper, when
somebody comes around the back of your desk and yanks the paper away
from you by an inch or two--not enough to pull the paper off the desk,
but enough to make you lose your place. So you adjust, you find your
spot again, and, whammo, somebody else comes along and shoves the paper
towards you. Again, you lose focus, so you start trying to find your
place while somebody else shoves the paper in a different direction.

What's happening is that the ads are different sizes, they're causing
everything to shift, or they're moving. For those of us who are blind,
we may not realize that an ad has appeared that is literally obscuring
the page for our sighted friends, but I'm told it happens frequently.
They'll be reading and what they're reading gets covered up by an ad.

I say all that to say this: I used to hate, hate, hate clicking on news
articles because of the frustration I experienced while trying to read
them, and I have a super fast computer with lots of RAM, so it's not a
problem of the computer getting bogged down. All that changed when I
installed first AdBlock, <http://www.getadblock.com>and now that AdBlock
no longer works with Firefox, I use Adblock Plus,
<http://adblockplus.org>which even has a version for IE although I've
only used the Firefox version. It has changed my experience of reading
news from all sorts of websites--TV websites, newspaper websites, online
news sites, everything. JAWS rarely loses its place because the ads
aren't jumping around the screen and bumping my page back and forth. I
stopped experiencing crashes because of the flash ads. Honestly I can't
remember the last time I encountered a page that made me feel like it
was truly refreshing or reloading. It's very rare. A nice side benefit
is I rarely have to wade through countless a frames and i frames.

Sorry that was so long, but I hope it helps some of you, both in terms
of understanding why JAWS is behaving the way it is, and in explaining
the experience to your sighted friends.

--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org>
My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>


Re: News Sites Refreshing

David Moore
 

Hi Brad,
This is the best information that I have received on a list in a long time. I have tried to read many news articles on IE, Firefox, and Chrome, and thought something was wrong with my computer. The cursor was always moving from where I was reading, if I could find the article at all. I thought there was nothing we could do with all of those adds and info on the page that had nothing to do with the news article we wanted to read. I installed Adblock plus on IE and Chrome and it works so great, I am still in astate of shock. Thanks, Brad, Where did you get this information. My wife always mentioned adds obscuring what she was reading and never knew what she meant. Now, I know what you mean. My wife talks a lot about clicking off adds that get in her way. Now, I know what she is talking about. That is what is causing our screen readers to go crazy on what we are reading. Thank you, Brad, and you are the reason why I sift through so many messages every day as well. It is great to find a jim like this one. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: News Sites Refreshing
 
Hi Brad,
Bravo, well-done to you. There are days when wading through as many email lists as I’m on makes me wonder why I do it. And then there comes a gem of a helpful cogent thoughtful message such as this which not only informs but enlightens a topic from various angles.
Thanks again and well-done to you. This one is worth archiving. Thanks for it.
Robin (who will be investigating the ad blocker mentioned)
 
 
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 5:43 PM
Subject: News Sites Refreshing
 
There's been a fair amount of discussion about pages refreshing. And while it's true that some pages do constantly refresh (and it's really annoying because JAWS gets hung up on reading the same things over and over again), it's important to know whether this is actually the problem you're experiencing. It may not be.

Yes, sometimes, especially on news websites, a refresh occurs periodically. The page's author can set the refresh to occur every ten seconds or thirty seconds or fifteen minutes (as is more likely the case). At one time JAWS used to tell you "This page will refresh in 900 seconds," but I haven't heard that in so long I don't know if that's still a thing. But sometimes when JAWS loses its place (and its mind) it's not because the page is refreshing--at least, not the whole page.

Sometimes the problem you experience is the ads on a page changing, jumping, flashing, moving, etc. In fact the ad frames in the page may be refreshing while the regular content is not. This tends to manifest itself in JAWS losing its place frequently, or perhaps JAWS reading the same line several times as you arrow down an article, or skipping a line, then going back to it. For the sighted among us, you can describe the feeling this way: You're sitting at a desk reading a newspaper, when somebody comes around the back of your desk and yanks the paper away from you by an inch or two--not enough to pull the paper off the desk, but enough to make you lose your place. So you adjust, you find your spot again, and, whammo, somebody else comes along and shoves the paper towards you. Again, you lose focus, so you start trying to find your place while somebody else shoves the paper in a different direction.

What's happening is that the ads are different sizes, they're causing everything to shift, or they're moving. For those of us who are blind, we may not realize that an ad has appeared that is literally obscuring the page for our sighted friends, but I'm told it happens frequently. They'll be reading and what they're reading gets covered up by an ad.

I say all that to say this: I used to hate, hate, hate clicking on news articles because of the frustration I experienced while trying to read them, and I have a super fast computer with lots of RAM, so it's not a problem of the computer getting bogged down. All that changed when I installed first AdBlock, and now that AdBlock no longer works with Firefox, I use Adblock Plus, which even has a version for IE although I've only used the Firefox version. It has changed my experience of reading news from all sorts of websites--TV websites, newspaper websites, online news sites, everything. JAWS rarely loses its place because the ads aren't jumping around the screen and bumping my page back and forth. I stopped experiencing crashes because of the flash ads. Honestly I can't remember the last time I encountered a page that made me feel like it was truly refreshing or reloading. It's very rare. A nice side benefit is I rarely have to wade through countless a frames and i frames.

Sorry that was so long, but I hope it helps some of you, both in terms of understanding why JAWS is behaving the way it is, and in explaining the experience to your sighted friends.


Re: Is this a new feature because it is annoying.

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

When I got that message, I was like huh? I think I just deleted it.  I don’t think I ever saw it again.

 

From: Merv Keck [mailto:blind5sparrow@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 2:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Is this a new feature because it is annoying.

 

                Hello.  this is an automated response from Brian buhrow.  Due to the increasing volume of spam, it is necessary for me to verify that you really want to  send me e-mail before I read your message.  If you reply to this message, I will know that you really did intend to write to me, and your original message regarding Re: curious about Final draft, along with your reply to this verification request, will be forwarded to me immediately.  In addition, I will make a note of your e-mail address, so that you will not have to respond to these automated verification requests ever again.

                I apologize for this extra step, but I believe this will allow me to treat your e-mail with the attention it deserves, rather than spending my time deleting useless messages which ask me to help distressed African nationals transfer billions of dollars around the globe.

 

-Brian

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