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Re: Catalan Problem Solved

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I went ahead and unchecked language recognition, since it was advised. I figured if something weird happened, I could always go back and check it.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

Also, I am using Windows 10 and Office 2016, but I had it happen in Windows 8.1 and Office 2013.

Cindy





From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved



Yes, it did seem strange.



To clarify, Catalan only came up, and only for various document headings.



Dr. Tom Behler





From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved



Agreed, if a word common to several languages must in context be English, a language detection program won’t identify it as foreign. That’s why I chose “und” as an example. It isn’t an English word.



Admittedly, the odd thing about Tom’s case is that only Catalan came up, or so it seems.



From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved



Adrian,

But wouldn't you think that JAWS would be coded to be smart enough to use context to recognize whether something was simply misspelled versus jumping on the "it's in another language" bandwagon? Since English is one of the worst "stealers of words" and absorbing them into the language unchanged from their original spellings, it would be mighty dangerous to use anything like a single word for a language detection function.

Brian


Re: Google Drive/Docs

David Moore
 

Hi Brian,
Thanks for getting back with me. If your using JAWS on an HTML page, The virtual cursor is on. When you are reading the page and using the navigation commands, you are in what is called brows mode. When you are in an edit field, you have to go into forms mode. With NVDA, there are corresponding terms. With NVDA, when you are reading the page, you are in navigation mode. When you are in an edit field, you have to go to Focus mode. Each screen reader uses. different terminology. So, again, Forms mode in JAWS equals focus mode in NVDA screen reader. Brows mode in JAWS equals navigation mode with NVDA screen reader. If you only use JAWS, you do not have to worry about the NVDA terminology. I would suggest listening to the two Freedomscientific webinars over and over and do everything he is doing in the webinar. If you are using JAWS, you need to turn off the virtual cursor by pressing JAWS key + X. That is the most important step in using Google drive and docs with JAWS. The reason why JAWS can allow you to use the navigation commands like H for heading, is because you have the virtual cursor turned on. In Google drive and docs, you have to turn that virtual cursor off, so you can use the commands that are in Google instead of the JAWS commands. For example, when you are in Google drive, and you press JAWS key + X to turn off virtual cursor, then you can press C to get to the toolbar in Google docs. You can press the command GN to get the list of files in Google drive. You have to learn all knew navigation commands that are just in Google. Again, to use these commands that are just in Google, with JAWS, you have to turn off the virtual cursor by pressing JAWS key + X. When you are done, to turn it back on, just press JAWS key + X again. It is a toggle. Now, with NVDA, to use the Google commands, press insert + space bar to go into focus mode. Then, you can use the commands like GN to go to the list of files as well. Just like JAWS, just press insert + space bar to turn focus mode back off. I hope this makes more since. The biggest job is to learn the knew commands that are just for Google docs and Google drive. These two webinars have documentation that you can download as web pages. While you are listening to the MP3 webinars, read along with the screen reader the documentation. You will have to read the documentation a few times to memorize the Google commands. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Google Drive/Docs
 

David,

          For my edification, what is "focus mode," exactly?   I don't think I've ever heard that term used and I have no idea what that means.  Of course, I had no idea what Forms Mode meant, either, since it's been in "On by Default" mode in all the versions of JAWS I've touched over the last several years, but actually knew how to use it thinking what I was doing was using the Quick Navigation Keys (since a great many overlap).

          Thanks in advance.

Brian


Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

 

Tom,

           If any one of those files is "public domain enough" to share with me via e-mail I'd love to spend a few minutes dissecting it to see where the language tags are hiding.  I can't imagine how or where, and I have no doubt it wasn't with you, a Catalan tag would have been introduced.  It's even weirder since if anything were going to show up I would have expected Castilian rather than Catalan.

           My guess is that someone did this at one point without every having known it occurred.  From what's been said in this thread this item is a hidden tag, and has nothing to do with actual word recognition.

Brian


Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

Maria Campbell
 

If Eric knows what he knows about JAWS, it is because he not only sells it, but he has been on the ground floor of its development.
And, my teachers at school for the blind read Braille with their eyes, and they taught me proficiency just the same.

On 12/31/2015 4:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Angel,

While this is a fine goal in theory, for both personal and
financial reasons it will not happen in practice. Were I in the
position Mr. Damery is in I would probably be doing the same thing. And
I say the following without a trace of snarkery toward him or his
skills, because I've been in parallel situations, but one does what one
must for the "Dog and Pony Shows," which is precisely what many of us
call trade shows. You become incredibly proficient at what you need to
be when it's needed for practical reasons. I had a good friend who was
100% hearing, but her partner was 100% deaf, and she was one of the best
signers I've known. She used to pride herself, and justifiably, on the
fact that deaf individuals would insist that she could not possibly be
hearing and be able to sign like she could. She literally fooled them
(not intentionally, mind you) into believing she was deaf simply because
of her fluency and depth of vocabulary in sign.

I am almost slack-jawed at the idea that anyone sighted could
ever become good with tactile reading of Braille. I could actually
visually read Braille, at least at the word level, upside down and
backwards (literally) when I was doing drill work with some of my
students when I worked at the Virginia School for the Deaf and the
Blind. There was no embosser that did a cheat I would have loved to
have had, with the actual letters printed alongside the Braille
embossing. But I learned as much as I could in the context where I had
to use it so that I knew whether or not I was getting the answers I was
supposed to be getting.

Brian

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Gary King
 


Tom,
When Language Detection is enabled in JAWS, language tags in a Word document or in the HTML code of a web page cause JAWS to speak the name of the language designated by these tags.  Somehow, Catalan language tags have been introduced into your documents.
 
Did you enter all of the information in the documents yourself, or was some of it copied from other sources such as the Internet?  If these tags were in copied material, they might have been pasted into your documents.
 
Keep in mind that the Catalan language tags are still in your documents even though you have stopped JAWS from reporting their presence.  I guess if sighted readers of the documents haven't said anything about the headings looking strange though, the presence of the tags don't really matter.
 
Gary King
w4wkz@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Brian:

 

The documents in question were copies of some of my course syllabi and initial class handout materials.  And, trust me, no part of them was in Spanish!!  (smile)

 

What might have triggered the Catalan designation by Jaws is still a mystery to me, although I do wonder if it had something to do with a particular font style or something similar.

 

The catalan designation was spoken for various headings throughout the documents, and went away when I unchecked the language detect change option in MS Word.

 

I’m using Windows 7, Office 2010, and Jaws 16 here.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 1:22 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

 

Tom, just for my curiosity, do you have any idea what JAWS was detecting that it thought was in the Catalan dialect of Spanish?   This seems really odd since my presumption is that the documents in question are not in any form of Spanish (and on that I could be entirely wrong).

Brian


Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Louise Johnson <herclouise@...>
 

Hi yes this answer would be a help as I would like to take pictures and post them also. I use Jaws 16 windows 8.1 and I use the moble Facebook sight. I can figure out some ideas but nothing works Louise and princess Kiara

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@...]
Sent: December 31, 2015 1:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Amit,

Thanks for taking the time to help me with this. I was sent a picture as an attachment. I saved the attachment (when I save attachments it automatically saves it to my documents). When I’m on Facebook trying to post this picture I can’t figure out how to find it to post. I click on browse but haven’t been able to figure out how to get to that picture to post it. Do I need to move the picture from documents to somewhere else in order to post it to Facebook?

Laura





-----Original Message-----
From: amit aggarwal [mailto:aggarwal.amit444@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:02 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Laura,
login to your account, edit what you want to post, and use add photos button.
hope that helps,
Amit

On 12/30/15, Laura Richardson <laurakr65@...> wrote:
Hello,



I use Facebook from my laptop via the mobile site (m.facebook.com) as
it is much easier to navigate than the regular FB site. I have
Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Is it possible to post pictures on Facebook through the mobile site?
If not, how do you post pictures from the computer to Facebook? Any
help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura
















Re: Creating column of dates in Word 2013

 

Mike,

Not knowing exactly how this is to be employed, I can say that this Microsoft Date Calculation Tutorial by Paul Edstein, available from the link that shows as DateCalc.zip on the third-party tips download page of Graham Mayer's Microsoft Word Pages, is well-regarded.

You should be able to get the zip file using the link above and what's in that zip file is a single, macro-enabled, MS-Word document.



Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

 

Angel,

         While this is a fine goal in theory, for both personal and financial reasons it will not happen in practice.  Were I in the position Mr. Damery is in I would probably be doing the same thing.  And I say the following without a trace of snarkery toward him or his skills, because I've been in parallel situations, but one does what one must for the "Dog and Pony Shows," which is precisely what many of us call trade shows.  You become incredibly proficient at what you need to be when it's needed for practical reasons.  I had a good friend who was 100% hearing, but her partner was 100% deaf, and she was one of the best signers I've known.  She used to pride herself, and justifiably, on the fact that deaf individuals would insist that she could not possibly be hearing and be able to sign like she could.  She literally fooled them (not intentionally, mind you) into believing she was deaf simply because of her fluency and depth of vocabulary in sign.

          I am almost slack-jawed at the idea that anyone sighted could ever become good with tactile reading of Braille.  I could actually visually read Braille, at least at the word level, upside down and backwards (literally) when I was doing drill work with some of my students when I worked at the Virginia School for the Deaf and the Blind.  There was no embosser that did a cheat I would have loved to have had, with the actual letters printed alongside the Braille embossing.  But I learned as much as I could in the context where I had to use it so that I knew whether or not I was getting the answers I was supposed to be getting.

Brian


Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Laura Richardson
 

Hi Amit,

Thanks for taking the time to help me with this. I was sent a picture as an attachment. I saved the attachment (when I save attachments it automatically saves it to my documents). When I’m on Facebook trying to post this picture I can’t figure out how to find it to post. I click on browse but haven’t been able to figure out how to get to that picture to post it. Do I need to move the picture from documents to somewhere else in order to post it to Facebook?

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: amit aggarwal [mailto:aggarwal.amit444@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:02 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting photos to Facebook

Hi Laura,
login to your account, edit what you want to post, and use add photos button.
hope that helps,
Amit

On 12/30/15, Laura Richardson <laurakr65@...> wrote:
Hello,



I use Facebook from my laptop via the mobile site (m.facebook.com) as
it is much easier to navigate than the regular FB site. I have
Windows 7 and Jaws 15.



Is it possible to post pictures on Facebook through the mobile site?
If not, how do you post pictures from the computer to Facebook? Any
help would be greatly appreciated.



Laura
















Creating column of dates in Word 2013

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi All,
 
Posting this for someone else hoping someone can help him:
 
Trying to create a running column  of dates edit; typed in Friday
January 1, 2016 and hit enter, hoping that Word would just insert the
next date, etc but it will not.  I've searched menus and cannot locate a
way to do this.
Isn't this possible, rather than my having to type all these dates manually?
Thanks for any help !
Danney Yates


Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

Angel
 


Become solely an actual Jaws user.  Use Jaws without sight for your own computer requirements, and you will become a fine teacher of the system.  Eric Damery, who sells for Freedom Scientific,  is sighted.  He did this.  He astonishes sighted observers.  When he demonstrates the workings  of each upgrade to the operating system at trade shows and such.  When I was a child past 60 years ago, our teachers read and wrote Braille with their fingers, rather than with their eyes.  As did we.  They were taught these skills blindfolded. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

Adrian,

       Thanks for the feedback.

        I hasten to add that the very nature, and length (in virtually all cases), of my tutoring involves by its very nature getting a user familiar with a very wide range of JAWS functions and comfort using them.  What I was trying to get at earlier is that the nature of my clients needs is such that I would feel like a fool and dictator were I to walk in and take a "lesson plan" approach where I declare something along the lines of, "tonight we're going to work on web browsing," when their latest crisis du jour was with using JAWS with MS-Word.   I follow the direction that the client's immediate needs take us for that session, but I do not limit myself to them if/when those needs have been addressed and the spontaneous teachable (and, I hasten to add, learnable for me) moments occur in each and every session such that a lot of territory gets covered.   What's funny for me is that when I'm working with multiple clients during the same time frame it can become confusing not only in regard to what I've taught who, which we can resolve quickly, but also in regard to what I can actually pull up immediately in my mind regarding JAWS.  It is, in many ways, a PITA that I am not an actual JAWS user because I can never establish the kind of fluency that a real user does.   That being the case I also tell my clients that while I am always willing to re-cover any territory, I am relying on them to keep building on what we've already done and that I may have to ask them on many occasions, "What's the command to do action X again?," because it's dropped out of my commands in current circulation in my mind cycle.   I'm constantly having to relearn things because all skills are "use it or lose it" and I just don't, and never will, need to use JAWS to the extent that it becomes "like breathing" for me.

I also listen to JAWS with great regularity, and teach my clients to do the same, because that's very often the only way I and they can know "where JAWS is" at a given moment in time.  I, however, have the option of ignoring JAWS during lessons where the individual is in the midst of performing the well-known things they do, which are always somewhere as a part of any lesson, and they don't.  I also failed to make clear that when JAWS drives me crazy is when I'm trying to do something along the lines of technical support where I'm installing software, removing software, adding peripherals, etc., that the client will likely never do or want to do (if they express the interest then it is a teachable moment, and then the paradigm shifts).  When I've got something that's tangential to the lesson, but essential nonetheless to their life in general, like installing a new printer, I either exit JAWS entirely or use INS+Spacebar, followed by S to hush him or her (I tend to refer to JAWS in the moment as him or her based on the voice the client uses) up.

As to forms mode, I get that in the abstract but since JAWS drops into and out of forms mode automatically (at least by default), I had not realized that was happening.  Mode, as a term, for me means that one must always be manually responsible for toggling the state to get in to or out of that mode.  Private correspondence has allowed me to understand that my usual definition of how a mode works is how JAWS once worked, but that now the default is automatic, and that some prefer to turn that automatic feature off and go back to mode control being under their control.

Brian


Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

I also have a weak brain. I was getting a different language in the bolded
part of the bulletin, not a different bulletin. I think I'll drop off this
topic for now. LOL.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

I am sorry. It doesn't appear that what I wrote ended up in this message. I
had a similar problem in my bulletins. I was getting a different bulletin in
the bolded portions.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:19 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Ann:

Your suggested strategy worked to get rid of my Catalan problem.

Thanks so much!

It was really annoying to hear this in many document headings.

I'll save these steps for future reference.

For those who need them, the steps from Ann are below.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:28 PM
To: That is just amazing. In my bulletins where there were responses, the
one for the lector or pastor was in English; where it said "all" it was
speaking something else. It was bolded, so it must have detected a change. I
unchecked that one and it now reads all in Engllish.
Thanks Anne and all.
Cindy Lou Ray

Subject: Re: Catelyn

While in Word Try
1. insert+v, quick settings.
2. type 'lang' and arrow down to language detect change.
Be sure it is unchecked.


Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

I am sorry. It doesn't appear that what I wrote ended up in this message. I
had a similar problem in my bulletins. I was getting a different bulletin in
the bolded portions.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:19 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Ann:

Your suggested strategy worked to get rid of my Catalan problem.

Thanks so much!

It was really annoying to hear this in many document headings.

I'll save these steps for future reference.

For those who need them, the steps from Ann are below.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:28 PM
To: That is just amazing. In my bulletins where there were responses, the
one for the lector or pastor was in English; where it said "all" it was
speaking something else. It was bolded, so it must have detected a change. I
unchecked that one and it now reads all in Engllish.
Thanks Anne and all.
Cindy Lou Ray

Subject: Re: Catelyn

While in Word Try
1. insert+v, quick settings.
2. type 'lang' and arrow down to language detect change.
Be sure it is unchecked.


Re: Catalan Problem Solved

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Also, I am using Windows 10 and Office 2016, but I had it happen in Windows 8.1 and Office 2013.

Cindy

 

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

 

Yes, it did seem strange.

 

To clarify, Catalan only came up, and only for various document headings.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

 

Agreed, if a word common to several languages must in context be English, a language detection program won’t identify it as foreign. That’s why I chose “und” as an example. It isn’t an English word.

 

Admittedly, the odd thing about Tom’s case is that only Catalan came up, or so it seems.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

 

Adrian,

          But wouldn't you think that JAWS would be coded to be smart enough to use context to recognize whether something was simply misspelled versus jumping on the "it's in another language" bandwagon?   Since English is one of the worst "stealers of words" and absorbing them into the language unchanged from their original spellings, it would be mighty dangerous to use anything like a single word for a language detection function.

Brian


Re: Catalan Problem Solved

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Well, the things I changed to get it to stop speaking whatever it was speaking were bolded.

Cindy

 

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

 

Yes, it did seem strange.

 

To clarify, Catalan only came up, and only for various document headings.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

 

Agreed, if a word common to several languages must in context be English, a language detection program won’t identify it as foreign. That’s why I chose “und” as an example. It isn’t an English word.

 

Admittedly, the odd thing about Tom’s case is that only Catalan came up, or so it seems.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

 

Adrian,

          But wouldn't you think that JAWS would be coded to be smart enough to use context to recognize whether something was simply misspelled versus jumping on the "it's in another language" bandwagon?   Since English is one of the worst "stealers of words" and absorbing them into the language unchanged from their original spellings, it would be mighty dangerous to use anything like a single word for a language detection function.

Brian


Re: Catalan Problem Solved

Tom Behler
 

Yes, it did seem strange.

 

To clarify, Catalan only came up, and only for various document headings.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

 

Agreed, if a word common to several languages must in context be English, a language detection program won’t identify it as foreign. That’s why I chose “und” as an example. It isn’t an English word.

 

Admittedly, the odd thing about Tom’s case is that only Catalan came up, or so it seems.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalan Problem Solved

 

Adrian,

          But wouldn't you think that JAWS would be coded to be smart enough to use context to recognize whether something was simply misspelled versus jumping on the "it's in another language" bandwagon?   Since English is one of the worst "stealers of words" and absorbing them into the language unchanged from their original spellings, it would be mighty dangerous to use anything like a single word for a language detection function.

Brian


Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Tom Behler
 

Brian:

 

The documents in question were copies of some of my course syllabi and initial class handout materials.  And, trust me, no part of them was in Spanish!!  (smile)

 

What might have triggered the Catalan designation by Jaws is still a mystery to me, although I do wonder if it had something to do with a particular font style or something similar.

 

The catalan designation was spoken for various headings throughout the documents, and went away when I unchecked the language detect change option in MS Word.

 

I’m using Windows 7, Office 2010, and Jaws 16 here.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 1:22 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

 

Tom, just for my curiosity, do you have any idea what JAWS was detecting that it thought was in the Catalan dialect of Spanish?   This seems really odd since my presumption is that the documents in question are not in any form of Spanish (and on that I could be entirely wrong).

Brian


Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:19 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Catalyn Problem Solved

Ann:

Your suggested strategy worked to get rid of my Catalan problem.

Thanks so much!

It was really annoying to hear this in many document headings.

I'll save these steps for future reference.

For those who need them, the steps from Ann are below.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:28 PM
To: That is just amazing. In my bulletins where there were responses, the
one for the lector or pastor was in English; where it said "all" it was
speaking something else. It was bolded, so it must have detected a change. I
unchecked that one and it now reads all in Engllish.
Thanks Anne and all.
Cindy Lou Ray

Subject: Re: Catelyn

While in Word Try
1. insert+v, quick settings.
2. type 'lang' and arrow down to language detect change.
Be sure it is unchecked.


Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

Adrian Spratt
 

Brian,

 

I appreciate all this clarification. On your last point, for the record, I believe automatic forms mode is one of FS’s several recent false enhancements. I had that setting for a long time, and it can be convenient to have JAWS land in an edit field of a website where the first thing I need to do is enter a username, etc. However, it causes more problems than the conveniences it provides. And, as you indicate, “automatic’ and “mode” are oxymorons.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here?

 

Adrian,

       Thanks for the feedback.

        I hasten to add that the very nature, and length (in virtually all cases), of my tutoring involves by its very nature getting a user familiar with a very wide range of JAWS functions and comfort using them.  What I was trying to get at earlier is that the nature of my clients needs is such that I would feel like a fool and dictator were I to walk in and take a "lesson plan" approach where I declare something along the lines of, "tonight we're going to work on web browsing," when their latest crisis du jour was with using JAWS with MS-Word.   I follow the direction that the client's immediate needs take us for that session, but I do not limit myself to them if/when those needs have been addressed and the spontaneous teachable (and, I hasten to add, learnable for me) moments occur in each and every session such that a lot of territory gets covered.   What's funny for me is that when I'm working with multiple clients during the same time frame it can become confusing not only in regard to what I've taught who, which we can resolve quickly, but also in regard to what I can actually pull up immediately in my mind regarding JAWS.  It is, in many ways, a PITA that I am not an actual JAWS user because I can never establish the kind of fluency that a real user does.   That being the case I also tell my clients that while I am always willing to re-cover any territory, I am relying on them to keep building on what we've already done and that I may have to ask them on many occasions, "What's the command to do action X again?," because it's dropped out of my commands in current circulation in my mind cycle.   I'm constantly having to relearn things because all skills are "use it or lose it" and I just don't, and never will, need to use JAWS to the extent that it becomes "like breathing" for me.

I also listen to JAWS with great regularity, and teach my clients to do the same, because that's very often the only way I and they can know "where JAWS is" at a given moment in time.  I, however, have the option of ignoring JAWS during lessons where the individual is in the midst of performing the well-known things they do, which are always somewhere as a part of any lesson, and they don't.  I also failed to make clear that when JAWS drives me crazy is when I'm trying to do something along the lines of technical support where I'm installing software, removing software, adding peripherals, etc., that the client will likely never do or want to do (if they express the interest then it is a teachable moment, and then the paradigm shifts).  When I've got something that's tangential to the lesson, but essential nonetheless to their life in general, like installing a new printer, I either exit JAWS entirely or use INS+Spacebar, followed by S to hush him or her (I tend to refer to JAWS in the moment as him or her based on the voice the client uses) up.

As to forms mode, I get that in the abstract but since JAWS drops into and out of forms mode automatically (at least by default), I had not realized that was happening.  Mode, as a term, for me means that one must always be manually responsible for toggling the state to get in to or out of that mode.  Private correspondence has allowed me to understand that my usual definition of how a mode works is how JAWS once worked, but that now the default is automatic, and that some prefer to turn that automatic feature off and go back to mode control being under their control.

Brian


Re: Can someone please tell me whether there are jaws scripts for kendle for pc!

Mario
 

I don't think so, but someone else might prove me wrong.

On 12/31/2015 2:22 PM, David Ingram wrote:
Hi list members I'm using jaws 16 and I'd like to know for sure if there are
jaws scripts for kindle for pc? Where can I find them and how much are they
if there is a cost associated with them? I can be reached at
dingram269@... <mailto:dingram269@...> . I am using
windows 7 professional 64 bit on an amd processor. Thank you for any
information that you might have.