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Re: Google Drive/Docs

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello Natalia

I do not use Google Drive, but I see that there has not been any responses to your request; what are your particular issues with the program, please?

Cheers Kevin.

From: Natalia Voegele [mailto:softy5310@...]
Sent: December-16-15 9:51 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Google Drive/Docs

 

Hi all,

 

     I was wondering if someone could help me with Google drive/Docs? I have listened to the FS podcasts on the subject and have a student which I need to teach these to. He reads a lot of documents using these for school. I have a hard time getting some of the commands to work and don’t know if it’s something I’m doing incorrectly, if it’s Google Drive/Docs, or a combination of both. I’ve called FS for help and I seemed to know more about Google drive/Docs than the representative I spoke to, did.

 

Thank you,

 

Natalia

 


Re: JAWS With Blackboard

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hi,

I found Blackboard manageable,but I would not say there were no issues. The thing I had the most problem with was editing; there was not a character  response, and when I felt I made a typo error, I had to exit, and start all over again, that said, it improved my typing skills, haahaa.

Happy New Year.

Kevin

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: December-17-15 9:25 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS With Blackboard

 

Kane,

           I was working with a client attending an institution that used Blackboard and there were no accessibility issues, per se, with Blackboard and JAWS 16.

           I do have to say, though, that I don't think that anyone who relies on JAWS should have to go in to using Blackboard, no pun intended, blind.   The system is wildly complex and the options within it that various instructors use can vary quite widely.

           I pressured the institution in question to set up either a mock Blackboard system where individuals could practice using that or a couple of mock courses in their live Blackboard system that new students who are using any form of accessibility software for blindness or low-vision could be "enrolled in" so that they could practice navigating through blackboard before they had to do so in the context of taking a real course.

           My feeling was that learning Blackboard with JAWS was quite akin to a full course in itself.  The client I was seeing at the time was a very capable student but there was no way she was going to be able to deal with learning Blackboard and the actual course material at the same time.

 

Brian


Sorry for the bad advise re Facebook and Thunderbird

Brad Martin
 

Apparently Facebook has abandoned support for the XMPP protocol, thereby making Thunderbird no longer an effective option for replacing AIM as an interface to Facebook chat. There may be some complex bypass, but it's above my paygrade. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.


Re: With latest JAWS 16, is computer freezing still using alt tab with Adobe?

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Not for me.

Happy New Year,

Kevin.

 

From: ptusing [mailto:ptusing@...]
Sent: December-28-15 5:49 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: With latest JAWS 16, is computer freezing still using alt tab with Adobe?

 

Hi,

Are computer freezes  still happening

With latest JAWS 16 and 17 with Adobe using alt + tab?

 

Thank you.


Re: grammatical issues

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet

-----Original Message-----
From: Angel [mailto:angel238@...]
Sent: December-29-15 6:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: grammatical issues

Rarely does any person on many of the lists to which I subscribe use perfect grammar. If we set standards for certain on the list, perhaps we all should get a dictionary and a grammar book, and take a refresher course in the proper use of the grammar of the language in which we write.
However, as we are all adult, and aren't expected to be treated as children; it might behoove us all to learn tolerance of others without an equal grasp or appreciation of the rules of English grammar, and punctuation.
Especially, as correct usage of grammar seems strange to the ears and to the minds of today's speakers or writers of the language. Each on any informal list should make all to feel as comfortable as we can.
After all, we are all having to deal with blindness. Which causes discomfort among many sighted people having to interact with us. If we can't find among others of us with the same challenge a safe environment with which to interact, and to ask questions without negative judgment, what hope is there for us all, I ask?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray@...>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: grammatical issues


I think that what I am saying is off topic, but I think this is rude and intolerant behavior on the part of American English speaking people. First off, English is clearly a second language for Karim, who may well be a male.
It is possible that this person is struggling to learn the language. I can't see the treatment of this person being helpful in any way. We can all figure out what Karim wants if carefully reading the messages. If we can't, then let someone else do it.
Respectfully,
Cindy Lou Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: douglas richard dexheimer [mailto:drichardd@...]
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 11:55 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: grammatical issues

may i ask what language or dialect karim uses, or if she knows the correct spellings of english words? perhaps she could get a dictionary of english words, or take a course in grammar and spelling. her messages would be easier to understand if she learns the correct spelling of words, or someone could interpret for her. thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@...

On 12/28/2015 11:38 AM, karim sidi wrote:
hi i have hard your advais from all of you i am very sory for bing a
bother but i will lisen to all of you thank you i have got the assar
from theose gev me the ansar thank have a good evning

from karim sidi good nite

On 12/28/15, douglas richard dexheimer <drichardd@...> wrote:
did you reply to my message about plugins by mistake? you could have
just generated a new message if this is a different topic. my
current jaws license only made me eligible for jaws 13 or earlier.
also could you try to check your spelling when writing, to avoid
confusion? thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@...

On 12/28/2015 10:03 AM, karim sidi wrote:
hi i am ok can i ask for feiviar if sumwane has a link for jaws 17?
the one i have in my luptop is jwas 15 i am the one useing if any
one has can you send to me?

On 12/28/15, douglas richard dexheimer <drichardd@...> wrote:
i tried refreshing firefox and changing some about:config settings;
but while most of the sites using flash were resolved, i can't seem
to fix this particular one:
http://www.rezonline.org/
no matter what i change in the config settings, including disable
protected mode, this message about adobe flash crashing persists,
and no audio is heard. what config changes do i need to make this
site work again? also the webvisum plugin got disabled after
refreshing firefox and changing the xpinstall "required" settings
from true to false. is there a way to downgrade firefox to the
version before the current 43.0, so things work normally like
before december 16th? if firefox is soon to become unworkable,
what browser is most accessible with nvda or jaws?
i can't seem to add new bookmarks in chrome, and the screen
keeps jumping to an empty window and nvda keeps saying "unknown,
unknown..."
ie tends to freeze or become unresponsive, and some audio sites
that stream in chrome or ff don't stream in ie. thanks for your help.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@...

On 12/22/2015 9:14 PM, Mike B. wrote:
HiBill & Douglas,
Hopefully this article will possibly help with your queries.
*Hacking Firefox: The secrets of about:config*
**
*Ever since its debut, Firefox has garnered a reputation for being
an enormously customizable program, both through its add-on
architecture and its internal settings. In fact, many of Firefox's
settings aren't exposed through the Tools > Options menu; the only
way to change them is to edit them manually. In this article,
we'll explore some of the most useful Firefox settings that you
can change on your own and that aren't normally available through
the program's graphical interface. * *The closest analogy to how
Firefox manages its internal settings is the Windows Registry.
Each setting, or preference, is given a name and stored as a
string (text), integer (number) or Boolean (true/false) value.
However, Firefox doesn't keep its settings in the registry, but in
a file called prefs.js. You can edit prefs.js directly, but it's
often easier to change the settings through the browser window.*
*Type about:config in the address bar and press Enter, and you'll
see all the settings currently enumerated in prefs.js, listed in
alphabetical order. To narrow down the hundreds of configuration
preferences to just the few you need, type a search term into the
Filter: bar. (Click the Show All button or just clear the Filter:
bar to get the full list back again.)* *The about:config page.
clear.gif
The about:config page. (
Click for larger view.)*
*To edit a preference, double-click on the name and you'll be
prompted for the new value. If you double-click on an entry that
has a Boolean value, it'll just switch from true to false or vice
versa; double-click again to revert to the original setting. Not
all changes take effect immediately, so if you want to be
absolutely certain a given change is in effect, be sure to close
and reopen Firefox after making a change.* *Editing a preference.
clear.gif
Editing a preference. (
Click for larger view.)*
*Note that not every setting in about:config exists by default.
Some of them have to be created manually. If you want to add a new
preference, right-click somewhere on the page and select New, then
select the type of item to create (String, Integer or Boolean) and
supply the name and value.* *Before you begin *
*clear.gif*
*Here are a few caveats to keep in mind as you explore and tweak:
* *Not everyone will get the same benefits by enabling these
tweaks. This is especially true for changing the network settings.
If you habitually visit sites that don't allow a large number of
connections per client, for instance, you won't see much benefit
from raising the number of connections per
server.*
*Some hacks may have a limited shelf life. With each successive
release of Firefox, the need for tweaking any of the
performance-related config settings (like the network settings)
may dwindle as Firefox becomes more self-tuning based on feedback
from real-world usage scenarios. In short, what works now may not
always work in the future -- and that might not be a bad
thing.*
*clear.gif*
*Hacking Firefox*
*The secrets of about:config*
*clear.gif
list of 6 items
• Before you begin
• Speed up page display
• Have tabbed browsing your way
• Make the user interface behave
• Hack network connections
• Stop memory hogging
list end
clear.gif *
*Keep a log of everything you change, or make backups. If you
tweak something now and notice bizarre activity in a week, you'll
want to be able to track back to what was altered and undo it.
Firefox does show which about:config changes have been set
manually, but this isn't always the most accurate way to find out
what you changed. * *To make a backup of your preferences in
Firefox, just make a copy of the file prefs.js, which is kept in
your Firefox profile folder. If you mess something up, you can
always copy this file back in. (Be sure to shut down Firefox
before making a copy of prefs.js or moving a copy back into the
profile
folder!)*
*In Windows XP, the profile folder is* *\Documents and
Settings\<username>\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\<profile ID>.default\* *In Windows
Vista, this folder is*
*\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\<profi
le
ID>.default\*
*Note that Application Data and AppData are hidden folders by
default, so they may not show up unless you force Explorer to show
hidden objects. (Open the Control Panel, double-click Folder
Options, select the View tab, select "Show hidden files and
folders" and click OK.)* *In Mac OS X, the profile folder is*
*<username>/Library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/<profile
ID>.default/*
*and in Linux it's*
*~/.mozilla/firefox/<profile ID>.default/* *but on those platforms
it's usually quicker simply to search for
prefs.js.*
*Alternatively, you can use the handy Firefox Extension Backup
Extension
(FEBE). It backs up not only the prefs.js file but just about
every other thing in Firefox -- extensions, themes, cookies, form
history and so on.*
**
*Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.
*
Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
*From:* douglas richard dexheimer <mailto:drichardd@...>
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: problems with firefox plugins and sites using flash

i'm afraid if i refresh firefox i may lose the add-ons that allow
me to hear my favorite stations and other audio sites; this is the
last thing i want to do at this time of year, as i might miss my
holiday stuff.
would i have to install each add-on one by one, including
webvisum, flash, vlc and other embedded players, etc.? or would
they all install automatically upon refreshing the browser?

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@... <mailto:drichardd@...>

On 12/22/2015 9:28 AM, Robert Logue wrote:
> Try refreshing Firefox. You may need to delete the config
file too.
>
> Help>troubleshooting information>Give Firefox a tune up
> Refresh Firefox…
>
> On 12/19/2015 10:39 AM, douglas richard dexheimer wrote:
>> happy holidays all. recently i've been experiencing adobe flash
>> player crashes on certain streaming audio sites. it started last
>> wednesday; i've tried several different settings in
about:config to
>> see if this would fix the issue. sometimes it would, other
times it
>> wouldn't. this crash problem only applies to certain sites
that use
>> flash content, not all. also the webvisum plugin no longer
seems to
>> work; i don't hear any popping noises when loading a page in
firefox.
>> i'm not sure which about:configuration settings i need to
make all web
>> pages using flash behave properly, or how to reactivate the
webvisum
>> plugin. worse case scenario: if i have to uninstall and
reinstall
>> firefox (43.0.1) to restore default plugin settings, i
wouldn't know
>> where to find the download link or file for reinstalling it;
what
>> about saving all my bookmarks and passwords, so i won't have
to start
>> all over from scratch, or try to select "forgot
username/password"
on
>> pages where i don't remember those credentials? i know a
tech savvy
>> friend who lives here who could provide some feedback. thanks.
>>
>>
>> Douglas Richard Dexheimer
>> Chief of Braille Productions
>> Born-Again Productions
>> The Friedman Place, Apt.308
>> 5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
>> Chicago, IL 60625
>> cell phone 913-244-0612
>> drichardd@... <mailto:drichardd@...>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: latest Firefox version that supports adobe
flash player
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 07:02:31 -0700
>> From: Bill White <billwhite92701@...
<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
<jfw@... <mailto:jfw@...>>
>> CC: douglas richard dexheimer <drichardd@...
<mailto:drichardd@...>>
>>
>> Flash protected mode is a security feature for Firefox which is
>> implemented
>> by Adobe for Windows operating systems (Windows Vista/7/8 or
above).
This
>> feature is enabled by default, to make it difficult for
attackers to
>> access
>> your computer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Flash protected mode might cause Flash performance problems in
>> Firefox, such
>> as persistent hangs or plugin crashes. This is especially
true for
>> users on
>> Windows touchscreen devices and for users who use
accessibility tools.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can turn off Flash protected mode by following these steps:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Press Control plus l to open the Location bar, type
about:config and
>> press Enter.
>>
>>
>>
>> . The about:config "This might void your warranty!" warning
page may
>> appear.
>> Click I'll be careful, I promise! to continue to the
about:config page.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. Search for
>>
>> dom.ipc.plugins.flash.disable-protected-mode
>>
>> in the list of preferences.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. Press Enter on the preference to toggle its value from
false to true.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4. Press CONTROL plus W to close the about:config window.
>>
>>
>>
>> 5. Close Firefox, and re-launch Firefox for the new setting
to take
>> effect.
>>
>> Bill White billwhite92701@...
<mailto:billwhite92701@...>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "douglas richard dexheimer via Jfw"
<jfw@... <mailto:jfw@...>>
>> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@... <mailto:jfw@...>>
>> Cc: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@...
<mailto:drichardd@...>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: latest Firefox version that supports adobe
flash player
>>
>>
>>> where do i find the checkbox to enable or disable flash
protection?
>>>
>>> Douglas Richard Dexheimer
>>> Chief of Braille Productions
>>> Born-Again Productions
>>> The Friedman Place, Apt.308
>>> 5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
>>> Chicago, IL 60625
>>> cell phone 913-244-0612
>>> drichardd@... <mailto:drichardd@...>
>>>
>>> On 9/21/2015 9:38 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
>>>> Great sleuthing, astounding Adobe message.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of Robert
>>>> Logue via Jfw
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:04 PM
>>>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
>>>> Cc: Robert Logue
>>>> Subject: Re: latest firefox version that supports adobe
flash player
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious about turning off Flash and why we should
disable it.
>>>> Didn't
>>>> know labels worked better in Youtube without it. Thing is
do we
>>>> disable
>>>> or set to ask to activate?
>>>>
>>>> I decided to look in to this. Found a checkbox for Flash
in Firefox
>>>> that wasn't labeled so I read more and found something we
should know
>>>> about. I'll paste it below without comment.
>>>>
>>>> Adobe Flash protected mode in Firefox | Firefox Help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Redirected from
>>>> Enable Flash Protected Mode Settings on Firefox)
>>>>
>>>> Flash protected mode
>>>> is a security feature for Firefox which is implemented by
Adobe
for
>>>> Windows operating systems (Windows Vista/7/8 or above).
This feature is
>>>> enabled by
>>>> default, to make it difficult for attackers to access your
computer.
>>>>
>>>> Flash protected mode might cause Flash performance
problems in Firefox,
>>>> such as persistent hangs or plugin crashes. This is
especially true for
>>>> users on
>>>> Windows touchscreen devices and for users who use
accessibility tools.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/21/2015 6:50 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote:
>>>>> No, it's not a security issue. Like I said, if you had
said you were
>>>>> getting an error that Flash was disabled, that would have
been the
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have noticed that Firefox seems to crash a bit with
video embedded
>>>>> sites lately. Honestly, what I've found that helped me
was installing
>>>>> an add-on called Adblock. I installed it at the
recommendation of a
>>>>> friend, but when I did, almost all my crashing problems
stopped.
You
>>>>> can download it at www.getadblock.com
<http://www.getadblock.com> if you want it. It has fixed
>>>>> most of my issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/2015 10:15 PM, douglas richard dexheimer wrote:
>>>>>> I can still listen to the stations or videos in question
on my
>>>>>> iphone; sometimes when I get a crash message in FF (on
my
win7
>>>>>> computer using nvda) I try the link in my ot her
browsers--sometimes
>>>>>> it works, other times not. other browsers may get
unresponsive, or
>>>>>> show the controls but no sound is heard from the
embedded player.
>>>>>> I'll get a message like "embedded object unavailable."
why would
>>>>>> flash's security diminish with later versions of
firefox--i.e., why
>>>>>> did those sites work in earlier ff versions on my older
windows xp
>>>>>> computer, but not in the current version on my new
windows 7 machine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Douglas Richard Dexheimer
>>>>>> Chief of Braille Productions
>>>>>> Born-Again Productions
>>>>>> The Friedman Place, Apt.308
>>>>>> 5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
>>>>>> Chicago, IL 60625
>>>>>> cell phone 913-244-0612
>>>>>> drichardd@... <mailto:drichardd@...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/20/2015 9:28 PM, Brad Martin wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry you didn't get my response from a few days ago.
Trying
>>>>>>> again...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I wrote regarding Firefox 40.0.3 was:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That should work. I thought you were going to say the
buttons
>>>>>>> weren't
>>>>>>> reading for you correctly, because that is often the
case with
>>>>>>> Firefox.
>>>>>>> Flash reads
>>>>>>> better with Internet Explorer. If you're getting a
message that
>>>>>>> Flash is
>>>>>>> disabled, it suggests that there is a security flaw in
Flash and
>>>>>>> Firefox
>>>>>>> is blocking
>>>>>>> access to it until Adobe releases a patched version of
Flash.
If
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> crashing, that's a beast of another color.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>> brad@... <mailto:brad@...>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/20/2015 8:58 PM, douglas richard dexheimer via Jfw
wrote:
>>>>>>>> did anyone get this yet? I've gotten no response so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Douglas Richard Dexheimer
>>>>>>>> Chief of Braille Productions
>>>>>>>> Born-Again Productions
>>>>>>>> The Friedman Place, Apt.308
>>>>>>>> 5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL 60625
>>>>>>>> cell phone 913-244-0612
>>>>>>>> drichardd@... <mailto:drichardd@...>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/15/2015 3:22 PM, douglas richard dexheimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> using firefox 40.0.3; what is the latest version that
supports
>>>>>>>>> afp? on
>>>>>>>>> some websites that use flash content (youtube,
spotify, live365,
>>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>>> streaming sites with embedded objects or players,
etc.) I get a
>>>>>>>>> popup
>>>>>>>>> saying the adobe flash plug-in has crashed. the same
site may or
>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>> not work on other browsers such as IE, chrome or webbIE.
>>>>>>>>> uninstalling
>>>>>>>>> and reinstalling afp didn't improve things. thanks
for your
>>>>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Brad Martin
>>>>>>> brad@... <mailto:brad@...>
<mailto:brad@...>
>>>>>>> My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons
and
deals:
>>>>>>> facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
>>>>>>> My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: inquiry into the use of aim with jaws

Brad Martin
 

You might want to wait on Thunderbird. I know I've done it before, but I don't know if Facebook has made a change or what. Thunderbird won't connect to Facebook for me. This is not a JAWS issue, but I will keep working on it, and if I get it figured out, I'll make the recommendation again. It works fine with JAWS if you can get it to connect.

Brad

On 12/29/2015 8:03 PM, Brad Martin wrote:
I remember installing a version of AIM that didn't work at all with JAWS, and then figuring out I had to install the 7.2 you mentioned. However, now if I'm going to Facebook chat, I use the Thunderbird Email client from Mozilla. It also supports chat, including Facebook chat, and last time I tried it, it worked fine with JAWS 15.

Brad


On 12/29/2015 4:18 AM, Eric Ngondi wrote:
Dear jfw friends,
I trust you are all well and want to wish you a merry Christmas and a
fruitful  season.
I  am also  inquiring if anyone can inform me of how to  download and
install the compatible  version of AIM  chat software developed  for
instant messenging   by AOL, American on line.
I  for a long time used the aim chat software  that intergrates  with
facebook to chat with my facebook  friends.
The version  of AIM  that worked so well with JAWS  was the 7.2.
However the version is no longer available and since the beginning of
this year, I have been unable to interact with my face bbook friends
as before since I cannot find a   compatible version of the aim
software.
Anyone who has found a solution to this? I will  greatly  appreciate
your assistance in this matter.
Regards,
Stan







Re: inquiry into the use of aim with jaws

Brad Martin
 

I remember installing a version of AIM that didn't work at all with JAWS, and then figuring out I had to install the 7.2 you mentioned. However, now if I'm going to Facebook chat, I use the Thunderbird Email client from Mozilla. It also supports chat, including Facebook chat, and last time I tried it, it worked fine with JAWS 15.

Brad


On 12/29/2015 4:18 AM, Eric Ngondi wrote:
Dear jfw friends,
I trust you are all well and want to wish you a merry Christmas and a
fruitful  season.
I  am also  inquiring if anyone can inform me of how to  download and
install the compatible  version of AIM  chat software developed  for
instant messenging   by AOL, American on line.
I  for a long time used the aim chat software  that intergrates  with
facebook to chat with my facebook  friends.
The version  of AIM  that worked so well with JAWS  was the 7.2.
However the version is no longer available and since the beginning of
this year, I have been unable to interact with my face bbook friends
as before since I cannot find a   compatible version of the aim
software.
Anyone who has found a solution to this? I will  greatly  appreciate
your assistance in this matter.
Regards,
Stan






how to use jaws with tracking comment on MS word 2007.

Adekoya Rasak
 

hello great member,

I am an author and a public speaker. in the build up to the release of
another book, my editor track her changes on the docs file I sent to
her.

using jaws 15, how do I notice this changes? that is, how can jaws
read the previous words before editing? the recent changes on the
track board that has not been accepted? and how do I accept or decline
to those changes?

please I need help to this effect.

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Re: Admin: the Maheem problem.

Kane Brolin
 

Thank you, James, for your diligence and integrity in managing this
list--a job that I'm sure is far more tedious than most of us would
realize, especially for someone who isn't necessarily getting paid to
do it.

-Kane


Apology for mis sent message; disregard it please

Tusing <ptusing@...>
 

 


Re: CONFUSED! Adobe Reader XI seems to do OCR automatically?

Tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi, Brian,

i  realize    you  probably did not get my message.

 

I  have  advocated some per Adobe.

In  2011, I  spokewith their  compliance department and

Helped convince them that  ifthe

Kindle was ace(for 6 months) that  Adobe would not want to

Not be accessible also.  I am sure others did the same.

In  Oct  of 2011,

F S finally made  JAWS work better with Adobe.

 

Thanksfor  your info on  JAWS 15 and Word 10.

How is JAWS 16 and Office 10?

 

The  local agency servicing Bllind people and the  Cils and  Easter Seals do not offer  real help  but a mere rare basic help—that most   people

Can’t get and   somehow learn for themselves.

 

Hence I need to  pay somebody.

I  have   worked with a  sighted grad student,  but he

Got confused easily and could not explain anything.

I  have no  problem  knowing where iam,but

I need tofinda person who  hassome familiarity with  JAWS enough

To  put oneself andme on the same page to

Trytofigure out

The Facebook History Channel patge.

 

I  have had fun with sighted help dealing with Amazon (see below)

 

I  have a real beliefthat  anything

Dealing with work should be  accessible with JAWS.

 

And   Facebook  is  vital at work.

 

I aam  enclosing my  notes  on Facebook  (see below).

They begin with the  settings  to  make

Facebook pages accessible.

But the settings do not work with

b.facebook.com.

 

My  problems are with the  History Channel page and program-related threads.

My

Notes

 

Facebook

 

 

 

Facebook with JAWS and MAGic, Lesson 1 (June 2015)

EXERCISE: If you are participating in the live webinar, please open this page outside of the training room and follow along with the

The setting is not enabled b will need to be turned on in either Internet Explorer or Firefox before it can be used. Perform the following steps in either browser to activate it.

1.    Press INSERT+V to activate the JAWS QuickSettings dialog box.

2.    In the search box, begin typing the word "reserve" (without the quotes). You may only need to type the first few letters.

3.    Press the DOWN ARROW to move to the Allow Web Application Reserve Keystrokes setting and press the SPACEBAR to check it.

4.    Tab to and activate the Ok button and the setting will take effect.

The following is a list of Facebook shortcut keys that can easily be used once the setting in JAWS is enabled.

·         Press J to move to the next item in the news feed.

·         Press K to move to the previous item in the news feed.

·         Press L to "like" or "unlike" a post.

·         Press C to comment on a post.

·         Press P to move to the edit box to create a post.

·         Press S to share a post.

·         Press ENTER to open a menu of options related to the current news feed item.

·         Press QUESTION MARK (?) to display a list of these, and other Facebook keyboard shortcuts.

Facebook menus

Many of the Facebook navigation menus are identified as "button menus" by JAWS. For example, you may hear the following when moving through the navigation menus with JAWS:

·         Requests button menu

·         Messages button menu

·         11 Notifications button menu

·         Privacy Shortcuts button menu

·         Account Settings button menu collapsed

Press ENTER when focus is on a button menu to activate it. You will hear the sound indicating that the JAWS Forms Mode turned on. If the item was simply called a "button menu" and did not have the word "collapsed" you will need to turn forms mode off before navigating through the menu items. Press NUMPAD PLUS, or if using laptop layout, press CAPSLOCK+; to turn off forms mode. You can then scroll down with the arrow keys to read the various menu items. Press ESCAPE to close the menu.

If the button menu has the word "collapsed" in it, such as "Account Settings button menu collapsed," once you press ENTER to activate it, you do not need to turn forms mode off. The menu acts like a traditional menu and you can scroll up and down to move through the various items. Press ESCAPE to close the menu without making a selection.

Similar menus are found throughout the Facebook site, including in the news feed.

Navigation regions

The section on a web page containing navigation menus might be placed inside the navigation region. The search controls on a page might be in the search region, and the primary content on the page might be marked with the main region.

JAWS identifies the beginning and end of regions as you navigate through a web page. You can also press the letter R to jump from region to region. Pressing CTRL+INSERT+R will open a list of regions which you can explore with the arrow keys. Finally, if a page has a single "main region" pressing Q will jump straight to that main region.

Note that regions are not visual and are only seen by screen readers such as JAWS.

The Facebook mobile site

the Facebook mobile site m.facebook.com may be easier for some to navigate as it contains less interactive content. Some of the latest additions to enhance the navigation of the mobile site are as follows.

·         Headings are used to mark each item in the news feed

·         A "Main region" is used to mark the beginning and end of the main content on each page

You can switch to the mobile site at any time by pressing ALT+D to move focus to the address bar. Type m.facebook.com and press ENTER. Return to the main Facebook site by typing www.facebook.com into the address bar.

Note that the Facebook shortcut keys such as J and K are not available on the mobile Facebook site. Pressing those particular keys will perform their normal JAWS function.

General Facebook tips

·         Much of the content on the Facebook pages may change without the entire page refreshing. Use the arrow keys to navigate and look for text that may have changed near the cursor.

·         Some dialog boxes may appear but they are embedded in the web page rather than in different windows. This is most often when you are about to do something like deleting a post and Facebook needs to confirm if you want to continue. You can use the arrow keys to find the text and buttons in the message.

·         When working with a button menu, you generally have to activate it first by pressing ENTER on it. Then turn off Forms mode in JAWS before scrolling down to find the menu items.

·         It may be easier to respond to posts, comments, and messages by replying to the e-mails that Facebook sends.

·         If browsing the news feed by headings in JAWS, use the hot key H rather than activating the list of headings. Only a few headings in the news feed will be displayed if you activate the list of headings. Pressing H or using the Facebook hot keys will allow you to find all the items.

Prior page

 

Endof my  notes on Facebook.

 

Hopethey help!

 

There   are people who can do techsupport, but they  do not use FaceBook.

 

And every one does so I  need to knowthis FaceBook  program.

 

I  hope Iam not  being

Pushy,  but I  insert my contact information here.

 

Pat  Tussing

ptusing@...

317 925 3317

 

 

Another situation that amazes me is that  JAWS does not support

The  Amazon music player.

What that creates is that JAWS  users learn iTunes and slowly migrate to the

Apple universe which of course, hurts Freedom Scientific.

I wantas many people to use  JAWS as  possible so the product remains strong.

 

 

 

 

 

Please  consider trying out an option to assist.

 

Also  please stay in touch as

I   absolutelyappreciate those who will advocate for

JAWS users.

 

Most sincerely,

 

Pat

 


Re: JAWS 16 question and comment

Maria Campbell
 

I don't understand what the problem is about messages to upgrade. You set whether you want to be notified of upgrades or not.
If you set not to be notified, you simply won't know when there is an update, unless you hear of it on these lists.

On 12/29/2015 2:00 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:46 am, Marsha wrote:

I have never been bugged about upgrading Jaws. Is there a problem
or is there a setting?

Marsha,

The nagging, so far as I've seen, sticks to within a major
release number of JAWS. If you are already on the final incremental
release within a major release, which I'd think everyone using JAWS 15
would have to be and probably JAWS 16, too, there's nothing else to nag
you about. It's also doubtful that the clients I've worked with over
the years would have tweaked any setting related to updates.

If others have seen any sort of prodding along the lines of,
"Please update to the newest release of JAWS," from JAWS then please
share. That hasn't happened to me yet; I always get that prodding from
technical support!

Brian

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Sunny Day
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Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: JAWS 16 question and comment

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

I think the main prodding going on is with Windows trying to get folks to update to Windows 10.

Cindy Lou Ray

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 2:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 16 question and comment

 

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:46 am, Marsha wrote:

I have never been bugged about upgrading Jaws.  Is there a problem or is there a setting?

 Marsha,

         The nagging, so far as I've seen, sticks to within a major release number of JAWS.  If you are already on the final incremental release within a major release, which I'd think everyone using JAWS 15 would have to be and probably JAWS 16, too, there's nothing else to nag you about.  It's also doubtful that the clients I've worked with over the years would have tweaked any setting related to updates.

         If others have seen any sort of prodding along the lines of, "Please update to the newest release of JAWS," from JAWS then please share.  That hasn't happened to me yet; I always get that prodding from technical support!

Brian


Re: JAWS 16 question and comment

 

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:46 am, Marsha wrote:
I have never been bugged about upgrading Jaws.  Is there a problem or is there a setting?

 Marsha,

         The nagging, so far as I've seen, sticks to within a major release number of JAWS.  If you are already on the final incremental release within a major release, which I'd think everyone using JAWS 15 would have to be and probably JAWS 16, too, there's nothing else to nag you about.  It's also doubtful that the clients I've worked with over the years would have tweaked any setting related to updates.

         If others have seen any sort of prodding along the lines of, "Please update to the newest release of JAWS," from JAWS then please share.  That hasn't happened to me yet; I always get that prodding from technical support!

Brian


Re: JAWS 16 question and comment

Marsha <marcatony@...>
 

HI
  I have never been bugged about upgrading Jaws.  Is there a problem or is there a setting?
 
Marsha


Re: CONFUSED! Adobe Reader XI seems to do OCR automatically?

 

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:59 am, Gudrun Brunot wrote:

The PDF Exchange viewer is for opening a scanned image-based pdf file, performing OCR of same file, saving it with resulting text layers, but you then close the Exchange Viewer and call up the saved file in Adobe DC to read it or fill it out, am I correct?
Yes, I, too, have followed the download links for W9 forms that people have sent, and, in Adobe DC, I can fill that out. For a situation when you can use a generic W9 form, one should simply download the one that's accessible already.


As I mentioned in another message, some translation agencies want me to use a form that they provide, and there, I'd have to OCR it with Exchange Viewer. I get so many prospective job offers involving PDF files from translation agencies that I will certainly make use of this program. Maybe I'll even be able to accept a few of them rather than spending all my time writing polite and professional-sounding refusal letters due to lack of accessibility.

 Gudrun,

             Yes, you have now grasped what I had hoped I was explaining clearly.  While PDF Exchange Viewer will "play well" to a limited extent with JAWS it, like so many other programs, encounters issues either because it is not coded for accessibility or because JAWS hasn't been coded to work with it (and it's clear to me that there is a LOT of stuff in JAWS that is very one-purpose and one-program customization) or both.   When my clients get a PDF document that they know, based on the source, which is usually their online course management systems, has to actually be text but that was originally scanned as an image PDF I wanted them to be able to independently do the conversion in a timely manner.  I have encouraged them, when this is necessary, to donate the resulting file back to the source so that it could be used in the future.  I can't really even blame the people putting up the image files because some of these are ancient and most folks have no idea that there exists a difference between an image PDF and an accessible PDF with a text layer because, wait for it, they literally don't see it and because they can see they don't have reason to encounter a barrier.   They just pass along what they have.  I'm trying to make the people I tutor become effective advocates for accessibility not just for themselves but for those who are sure to follow later.

              Just so you know, PDF Exchange Viewer's OCR capabilities extend beyond English if that's something you can take advantage of.  I want to say that Spanish, German, and French are included with the downloaded version, but I can't be certain of that list.   My experience with the OCR function on its default settings has been that it is very impressive.  I have used it on documents that are well over 100 pages long and where some of the scans, while not so horrible as to be unreadable to the sighted, are not particularly good, either.   If the image PDFs are from very good to excellent initial documents or scans the recognition is very close to 100%.  You could probably get away with using that function with only very occasional assistance from a sighted helper for something PDF Exchange Viewer's OCR engine simply could not recognize for some reason.

               Oh, as an aside, I think all IRS forms and instructions are and have been accessible using JAWS and Adobe Reader for some time now.  If issues still exist with the fillable forms I'd like to hear what people are encountering (and you might want to report it to Freedom Scientific Technical Support, too).

Brian


Re: CONFUSED! Adobe Reader XI seems to do OCR automatically?

Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi Brian and all: I think I finally understand one important point:

The PDF Exchange viewer is for opening a scanned image-based pdf file, performing OCR of same file, saving it with resulting text layers, but you then close the Exchange Viewer and call up the saved file in Adobe DC to read it or fill it out, am I correct?
Yes, I, too, have followed the download links for W9 forms that people have sent, and, in Adobe DC, I can fill that out. For a situation when you can use a generic W9 form, one should simply download the one that's accessible already.

As I mentioned in another message, some translation agencies want me to use a form that they provide, and there, I'd have to OCR it with Exchange Viewer. I get so many prospective job offers involving PDF files from translation agencies that I will certainly make use of this program. Maybe I'll even be able to accept a few of them rather than spending all my time writing polite and professional-sounding refusal letters due to lack of accessibility.

I have JAWS 16 and 17, both installed on a Windows 7 system. I have experienced some glitches when I call up Adobe and have had to restart the computer. In the middle of navigating through an opened PDF file, JAWS stops speaking, no response from the braille display. Sometimes, the only thing I can do is a "Norwegian shutoff," as some tech support person expressed it. This means that the proper shutdown isn't possible to get to, so all one can do is hit the old button...



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: CONFUSED! Adobe Reader XI seems to do OCR automatically?

[Edited Message Follows]

Gudrun,

Now I'm a bit confused, so we're going to have to walk each other through some of the details to see where our differences lie and whether there is something toxic going on between JAWS and Adobe Reader. Here is the IRS Form W9 <https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw9.pdf> , straight from the source. It, like every other IRS PDF file I've ever dealt with, does not need to be OCRed because the thing is developed in Adobe Acrobat and as is should be readable by JAWS. Mind you, I don't have JAWS here but whenever I am able to do a search in Adobe Reader and find text that has indicated that it should be readable by JAWS. Now, I haven't worked with anyone as far as what JAWS may or may not read in regard to the fillable fields.

I just downloaded the above linked form W9 and opened it in Acrobat Reader DC. I have searched for the phrase "income tax return" and it can be found at two locations. I have filled in the first two fields, Name and Business Name, respectively, and was allowed to save the form. When I close Adobe Reader DC entirely and then open the FW9 file that I saved all information I've entered remains there.

If I hit a single tab once the file opens that places me in the first fillable filed, Name in this case, and each successive tab takes me to the next fillable field, whether that's a text/edit box, check box, etc. My guess is that once one has focus on the fillable fields that is where it stays unless one uses the F5 command to shift focus back to the PDF document text, that's worth a try, anyway. Here is the latest collection of Adobe Reader DC keyboard shortcuts <https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/using/keyboard-shortcuts.html> . In a particularly perversely funny twist the keyboard shortcuts for accessibility are available on this page but the direct link to them is hidden unless you hit "show more." Of course, a search on accessibility will get you there, too. That being said, the regular keyboard shortcuts may be far more pertinent.

It would probably help us both if we know we're talking about a specific version of JAWS and a specific version of Adobe Reader. I would hope that those who create fillable PDF forms would be taking accessibility into consideration (particularly government forms) and that there is some marriage of JAWS and Adobe Reader that would announce what those fields are when you land in them (which, of course, means that field names or alternate text were assigned by the coder). It also looks as though Adobe Reader itself has some limited capability for reading of forms sans JAWS, but you'd have to play with that to see if it's functional as far as filling in a fillable PDF that you know has a text layer already and doesn't need to be OCRed.

Brian


Re: Admin: the Maheem problem.

James Homuth
 

Folks,

 

I am aware of Maheems exploits. I am also aware he is more than deserving of a ban. I am aware he's gotten around the already existing ban several times. I am, to put it mildly, not pleased. I will be closing any and all threads to do with this individual in short order. Anyone having issues with this individual is to contact me, off-list, with the email address from which they are having issues and that individual will be delt with in accordance with regulations that actually exist. In short, drop the subject of this individual on-list. This is the first and only warning. Doing otherwise gives him far more attention than he deserves and I will not have that on this list. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a third problematic address to add to the stay out of my way list.

 

James,

List Admin 


locked VoiceOver on Macbook Air

 

Hello All,

           I know that this is off central topic for this forum, so if that's problematic enough to prevent reply here please feel free to contact me via e-mail.

           I have some experience with VoiceOver, but it's almost exclusively on iPhone or iPad devices, and I'm about to get a client who wants to learn VoiceOver on a Macbook Air.  I cannot find any technical specs for the Air that suggest it came in any form as a touch screen device, so interfacing with VoiceOver via mousepad will be entirely new territory for me.

           If anyone has insights they'd like to offer about VoiceOver in this type of environment I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,

Brian


Inquiry into the use of AIM with Jaws.

Natalia Voegele
 

Hello,

 

     I installed an older version of AIM a while back. It then asked me to upgrade, saying said older version would no longer be supported. I performed the required upgrade and have had no problems. Then again, I’m not using it for FB chat, just for a couple of regular AIM conversations, but it works fine. So, in theory, I would think the latest AIM would work ok with FB chat, also. I am running Jaws 16 and whatever the latest and greatest AIM version is. To interact with my FB friends, I simply use the mobile FB site, or my phone.

Take Care,

Natalia

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